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Jammin1911

10-08-2002, 02:33 AM

Ok, heres the deal.  I'm just gettin into the 240 scene, I'm buying an S14(a/b) next spring.

Im trying to decide on everything that I want to do to it.  I already know what I like cosmetically.  (S15 *droool*)

One thing I havent decided on yet, is exhaust because I know I'm going to have a hard time choosing one.

I totally despise the sound of a farting 4 banger.  I hate it, and If my car ever sounded like a civic ricer bitches, I'd abandon it.  Even if it was a 240 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> (ok well maybe not if it was a 240, but if it was anything else i would)

So I think most of you will get my drift, and most of you probably know the sound i'm talking about.  Loud, popcorn, annoying, lots of bass.  I dont like that sound.

I do like a fairly loud exhaust tho when I step on it.  I dont need a very high performance exhaust, just a little better than stock.  I dont plan on going much over 225 hp with the car. (i guess some may think thats lots, but its not, hehe).

Since I havent done any research at all on exhaust, the only exhaust I know of so far is this Apex N1 Dual/Single Exhaust.  From what Ive seen, it looks nice and its only made for the RX7 and 240s?  I have no clue how it sounds, I want this car to sound like a fast car, a mean car, not a pansy ass ricer car.   I laugh at those cars, and I have a 100hp I4 1990 Plymouth Acclaim right now.  Thats how much I hate ricers. Im sure you guys get it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

ANYWAY!  Let me know what my choices are, is there a site with a crapload of wav files or somethin maybe?  I dunno how much that would even help tho.

Whatever, I'll shut up.

BEISSEN

10-08-2002, 07:13 AM

Ok unless you plan on going turbo or spraying"nos" you are not gonna get 225hp out of ya car.The Apex-i N1 Duel is a great all around exhaust both n/a and turbo applications.I have the N1 Duel and it is a great exhaust and i feel the diffeance from it as well.

Kreator

10-08-2002, 09:37 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jammin1911 @ Oct. 08 2002,03:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I want this car to sound like a fast car, a mean car, not a pansy ass ricer car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
sounding like a fast car and still being slow is kinda ricey imo. But no offence, i'm all about really quiet fast cars. If you get an exhaust right before (or after) you hit the 225hp mark, that'd be sweet <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> Anyways gl.

and if you are planning to do an s15 conversion, plz don't get an s14a

CoasTek240

10-08-2002, 10:13 AM

hey if u dont plan on going turbo, al li have to say is 5zigen fireball... if you might wann go turbo later.. then apex-i n-1 dual is good.
Good luck <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

Chicken Magnet

10-08-2002, 01:53 PM

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'> Get the Apex N1 single, so that you could buy mine!  Sell it to you for cheap!

uiuc240

10-08-2002, 04:28 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BEISSEN @ Oct. 08 2002,08:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok unless you plan on going turbo or spraying"nos" you are not gonna get 225hp out of ya car.The Apex-i N1 Duel is a great all around exhaust both n/a and turbo applications.I have the N1 Duel and it is a great exhaust and i feel the diffeance from it as well.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
pssst!  Beissen!

"duel" is what people in the old west used to do when they couldn't settle an argument with words

"dual" indicates TWO of something.

FYI.  might wanna (want to) change your sig (signature).

Eric  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'>  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':but:'>  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

Jammin1911

10-08-2002, 05:56 PM

i DO plan on going turbo, apparently this Apex N1 Dual is where its at huh? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

I wish i could hear one first.

Kreator: Whats wrong with doing an S15 conversion if I buy an S14a?  And i dunno about you, but a 225hp 240 isnt a slow car in my opinion.  Its not FAST, but its worthy of having a good sounding exhaust.  I dont see how you could call that ricey.

drift into a curb

10-08-2002, 06:32 PM

Because if you're gonna change out the front end, it's pointless to get a s14a --you'll end up spending more money on the s14a-- when you can spend the money on s15 conversion you were  planning to get.

Kreator

10-08-2002, 06:42 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jammin1911 @ Oct. 08 2002,6:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i DO plan on going turbo, apparently this Apex N1 Dual is where its at huh? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

I wish i could hear one first.

Kreator: Whats wrong with doing an S15 conversion if I buy an S14a? And i dunno about you, but a 225hp 240 isnt a slow car in my opinion. Its not FAST, but its worthy of having a good sounding exhaust. I dont see how you could call that ricey.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
s14as are very rare. There are only 5500 made compared to like about 35000 of s14bs. After the s15 conversion both are gonna look the same. i just don't want another s14a wasted. I honestly like their look much more than the s15.

What i meant was don't get the exhaust untill u are actually pushing 225 hp. When u are turboed, an exhaust is a must anyways, and at that point it doesn't matter how you sound cuz actually you are decently fast. But a 160hp car sounding like a v8....  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

Chicken Magnet

10-08-2002, 06:45 PM

I'm about to make an mpeg file of my single N1 and as soon as I install my dual N1, I will try to post on this website.  I'm not a computer geek so I may need your guys' help.  It's coming tomorrow and I'll have it installed on Friday!  I will, by that time, have the mpeg on my digital camera, but whether or not I can post it is up to you guys!  I'll need all the help I can get!  I can, however, send it to you guys over e-mail so bug me about it later on. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Loren

10-08-2002, 07:35 PM

225horse is possible out of a NA KA.. your an idiot of you say otherwise.

SimpleS14

10-08-2002, 07:57 PM

Hmm....

sure for a S14B(95-96) instead of a S14A.  I say this because they are easier to find and well be much cheaper, esspecially if you plan on doing the front end conversion.  Just make a note that not all the S14a's and S14b's are on the streets.....so this makes the s14a even more rare and harder to find.  I personally prefer changing a S14b to a S14a, because you can do the labor yourself.  Plus you have metal fenders and its a hell of alot cheaper compare to changing a S14b to the S15 front end(which includes fiberglass fenders and $$$ on labor).

But hey its your money...

As for the exhaust I recommend the N1 dual.  It loud once you hit high RPMs and also during a cold start...yet the sound will dull down to a nice rumble.  It doesn't sound like a fart can muffler nor does it sound like a race bike.  Get that exhaust if you want to be heard and noticed....in a good way.

I plan on ordering the exhaust this week and doing the S14a front end conversion 2yrs from now....since I'm saving up for a swap or potential rebulid.

One more thing....

with the money you spend on just the S15 front end, you can have a nice S14a front end and a nice body kit (ex: Bomex).

Loren

10-08-2002, 08:26 PM

i think your way better off buying a s14a to start with.. even after you spend what? like a grand on the conversion, it still wont have the tailights and gauges.

--Anyone here suffer from Insomnia? I had mono and was sleeping a lot, now its the total opposite, I have to take pills to put myself to sleep.. Just wondering if anyone knew a remedy.. damn that sounds dumb, sorry im hopped on them now.

DSC

10-08-2002, 08:51 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Oct. 07 2002,10:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">225horse is possible out of a NA KA.. your an idiot of you say otherwise.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> possible yes, but not practical for a street car.

Jammin1911

10-08-2002, 09:05 PM

now that were on the topic of turbos, wait, no not really.  But lets pretend we are..

What is a good bang for your buck turbo, ie: whats a small to mid size turbo that wont explore my poor KA but will give me a decent boost in HP and not die on me or empty my pockets.

Is there such a thing? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Loren

10-08-2002, 09:31 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ Oct. 08 2002,9:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Oct. 07 2002,10:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">225horse is possible out of a NA KA.. your an idiot of you say otherwise.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> possible yes, but not practical for a street car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
the phase 3 tomei sr20de makes 250ps.. not sure what the compression is, is that PHI, if it is, then its 87... I'd assume it would run on pump gas, it has a 280 cam, which is hot, but not all that hot.. its streetable i'd suppose, they make the power in heads. 2.2liter.. but yeah, I'd get a CA and go from there, instead of messing with the KA, I guess Im just practical.

BEISSEN

10-08-2002, 09:34 PM

Ok if you ae going to turbo the ka well a turbo it usally has a t3/t4 hybrid turbo which is small and spools up quick.Hey loren a s15 aka strawberry face conversion does not cost 1g it is $3100.00+s/h so do a little more reasearch before you get peps hopes up on this board and hey kreator man there were 6800 combined between 97-98 and only a fraction were manuals.

Loren

10-08-2002, 09:46 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BEISSEN @ Oct. 08 2002,10:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok if you ae going to turbo the ka well a turbo it usally has a t3/t4 hybrid turbo which is small and spools up quick.Hey loren a s15 aka strawberry face conversion does not cost 1g it is $3100.00+s/h so do a little more reasearch before you get peps hopes up on this board and hey kreator man there were 6800 combined between 97-98 and only a fraction were manuals.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i think your way better off buying a s14a to start with.. even after you spend what? like a grand on the conversion, it still wont have the tailights and gauges</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Starting off with a s14a, implying you wouldn't have to do a conversion, implies you would be converting to s14a from  s14b. BEISSEN trust me, your not on my level, just read what i say, and accept it, if our heads ever butt, remember i will always be right, and you will always be wrong.

DSC

10-08-2002, 09:52 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Oct. 08 2002,12:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ Oct. 08 2002,9:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Oct. 07 2002,10:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">225horse is possible out of a NA KA.. your an idiot of you say otherwise.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> possible yes, but not practical for a street car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
the phase 3 tomei sr20de makes 250ps.. not sure what the compression is, is that PHI, if it is, then its 87... I'd assume it would run on pump gas, it has a 280 cam, which is hot, but not all that hot.. its streetable i'd suppose, they make the power in heads. 2.2liter.. but yeah, I'd get a CA and go from there, instead of messing with the KA, I guess Im just practical.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I don't know of any way to make the KA gain 90rwhp while maintaining streetablilty. Tho your post contained cool info, I'm not sure how it applies. KA and SR are different, and we don't have Japanese people working on our ka unfortunately <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

I base what I say about the ka's n/a ability on people I have talked to who have a highly modded n/a ka...incase you were wondering.

Kreator

10-08-2002, 09:55 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Oct. 08 2002,10:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ Oct. 08 2002,9:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Oct. 07 2002,10:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">225horse is possible out of a NA KA.. your an idiot of you say otherwise.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> possible yes, but not practical for a street car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
the phase 3 tomei sr20de makes 250ps.. not sure what the compression is, is that PHI, if it is, then its 87... I'd assume it would run on pump gas, it has a 280 cam, which is hot, but not all that hot.. its streetable i'd suppose, they make the power in heads. 2.2liter.. but yeah, I'd get a CA and go from there, instead of messing with the KA, I guess Im just practical.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
u still here?

Beissen: maybe, i just remember i read somewhere something like 3000 (or 3500) in 97 and 2500 in 98. You might be right.

Jammin: if you aren't planning on going over like 14psi, then i'd say get a t3. It's a bit smaller, spools up faster than a t3/t4, and much cheaper. I'm kinda choosing along the same lines right now.

Most kits come with a t3/t4 though. I'm pretty sure u might be able to arrange a t3 though if you talk to them. Average kits are $4000, you can put a very good one (kit or better quolity) yerself for like $3300 and the cheapest with a t3 i'd say $2500.

Loren

10-08-2002, 10:04 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ Oct. 08 2002,10:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Oct. 08 2002,12:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ Oct. 08 2002,9:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Oct. 07 2002,10:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">225horse is possible out of a NA KA.. your an idiot of you say otherwise.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> possible yes, but not practical for a street car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
the phase 3 tomei sr20de makes 250ps.. not sure what the compression is, is that PHI, if it is, then its 87... I'd assume it would run on pump gas, it has a 280 cam, which is hot, but not all that hot.. its streetable i'd suppose, they make the power in heads. 2.2liter.. but yeah, I'd get a CA and go from there, instead of messing with the KA, I guess Im just practical.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I don't know of any way to make the KA gain 90rwhp while maintaining streetablilty. Tho your post contained cool info, I'm not sure how it applies. KA and SR are different, and we don't have Japanese people working on our ka unfortunately <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

I base what I say about the ka's n/a ability on people I have talked to who have a highly modded n/a ka...incase you were wondering.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
But the KA has 200cc more *drool* isn't that the common consensus on this forum, because the KA is bigger, its better. lots of custom fabrication.. lots, thats why NA KAs are dumb.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">thats why NA KAs are dumb.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I'll get flamed by the same people who say the SR can do things the KA can't.

AceInHole

10-08-2002, 10:12 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ Oct. 07 2002,10:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Oct. 07 2002,10:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">225horse is possible out of a NA KA.. your an idiot of you say otherwise.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> possible yes, but not practical for a street car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
IGOTSBOTH over on the FA boards had a carbed SOHC KA putting something like 244hp to the crank (not theoretical figure, done on an engine dyno).  That engine was streetable.

The 300+ HP nasport engines probably aren't very streetable though... but then, that's NA power on an engine with basically the stock crank and de-modernization of the intake system.  Imagine what would be possible if someone actually tried with streetability and technology in mind.

AceInHole

10-08-2002, 10:16 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Oct. 08 2002,12:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But the KA has 200cc more *drool* isn't that the common consensus on this forum, because the KA is bigger, its better. lots of custom fabrication.. lots, thats why NA KAs are dumb.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Depends on which KA.  There's tons of stuff available for the SOHC motor.  Nismo carb kit, cams, cam gear... etc.  Enough to get the same peak power as an SR, at less cost, with better engine response (which in theory makes it a "faster" engine).

Jammin1911

10-08-2002, 10:16 PM

Loren, are you saying the KA can do anything the SR can do?

thats what it sounded like, if thats true, explain.  Cuz 90% of people tell me the SR ownz.  This is confusing <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Start a debate or something so i can learn.

AceInHole

10-08-2002, 10:20 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jammin1911 @ Oct. 08 2002,12:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Loren, are you saying the KA can do anything the SR can do?

thats what it sounded like, if thats true, explain. Cuz 90% of people tell me the SR ownz. This is confusing <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Start a debate or something so i can learn.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You might want to try and explain why someone who has the SR and a high HP NA KA prefers the KA.

it's already been done (http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9&Number=95241&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=1&vc=1)

anyways, this is what's scaring me for now:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">with my race NA set up several people actually came up to me and said that out of the 80 cars at the track..mine had the nicest exhaust note

now it sound like crap with the turbo..
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
.... and people wonder what's taking me so damn long.

Loren

10-08-2002, 10:24 PM

it goes like this, CA, SR, KA
CA Solid lift, SR, KA.. not
CA 8k redline, rods = 9k, SR and KA >7k
Aftermarket parts, SR, CA, KA
Bang for the buck, CA, (in my opinion) SR, KA (SR vs. KA battle effecieny is another arguement)
Displacement, KA 2.4, SR 2.0, CA 1.8
so out of those 7 categories, the CA wins 4 first places, one 2nd place, and only one 3rd.. KA comes in last for everything except for displacement, (bang for buck is fuzzy)

AceInHole

10-08-2002, 10:36 PM

*sigh*....

another pissing contest....

of course there's other categories like response, max power, driveability, etc..
you could go into specific parts strengths... costs.. legality...
then people will dispute certain parts... do Nasport parts or fabricated parts available to the public count?

in the end you can either get a really peaky engine, a mildly peaky engine, or a brute of an engine. then again, it obviously isn't the driver... it's what he's got under the hood and how cheap he got it right??

Jammin1911

10-08-2002, 10:48 PM

alright alright i see where this is going

Thanks for the info guys!

SR20Fastback

10-08-2002, 10:52 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Oct. 08 2002,9:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it goes like this, CA, SR, KA
CA Solid lift, SR, KA.. not
CA 8k redline, rods = 9k, SR and KA >7k
Aftermarket parts, SR, CA, KA
Bang for the buck, CA, (in my opinion) SR, KA (SR vs. KA battle effecieny is another arguement)
Displacement, KA 2.4, SR 2.0, CA 1.8
so out of those 7 categories, the CA wins 4 first places, one 2nd place, and only one 3rd.. KA comes in last for everything except for displacement, (bang for buck is fuzzy)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Id have to say that the KA would be 2nd for Aftermarket parts.... or at least its getting really close. I see way more stuff, even for the KA24E than I do for the CA...

Edit: and wouldnt you say your opinion is bias towards the CA Loren??  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Kreator

10-09-2002, 10:37 AM

Loren, you are fuggin confusing. First, you bang on 240s for having small engines and camaros having god damn v8s. Then u come in and start telling everyone how a 1.8 CA is so much better than 2.4 KA. I don't know how much CA puts out in N/A form, but i know that the srs are rated at about 140hp and 130tq n/a. That is 15hp and 35tq less than the KA. And i'm guessing the CAs are even weaker n/a. So please stfu about how sr's and ca's are so much better.

Please decide what do you like more, a low revving torque monsters (like domestics) or high power little engines (like yer favorite CA). Cuz as of right now you seem to like both ends, but u bitch at everything in between. That doesn' really make sense to me.

Kreator

10-09-2002, 10:50 AM

Ok how about this list:
Displacement: KA, SR, CA
Availability of replacement engines: KA, SR, CA
Actual feeling of accleration (inverse of yer rpm statement): KA, SR, CA
Engine legality: KA. SR illegal and i dunnow about CA
Bang for teh buck: KA, CA, SR

Now that's 5 categories in which KA is in the first place.
Oh and i'll elaborate on the price issue. Now what most people are looking at: ca swap - $1800, sr swap - $2300, KA kit - $4000. The way i look at it - custom t-kit for a ka with decent brand new parts - $2800. And read teh key words: "brand new". Neither of the other two engines come with that. So if you hit the junkyards for used ic and a turbo, find someone to sell you a used manifold for cheap, i'm pretty sure you can turbo a ka for like $1100. And if you argue that sr has less miles at that point, np, you can get a 9K mile KA for $600. That still totals out to less what CA swap costs.