Which 4-lug 18" wheels for my S13?

[racerjake]

Yeah yeah, search search... but actually I have a weird one.

I've have rather large supply of 225/40 18" tires for my car that I plan on burning off for drifting. My car now has 16x8's 15mm offset with 205/55 tires. IMHO the offset is just about perfect w/o any mods to the fender.

Car: 91 Hatch
Lug: 4x114.3
Coilovers: Stance
Camber: nearly 3deg all around.

I plan on using the 225/40 all around - and would like to get a rim that is fairly cheap - as it's really just for drifting and I need a bunch of them.

I've considered a set of Sportmax 962's 9.5/8.5 - but would it be strange putting staggered rims with the same tires all around? Plus I'd prefer to be able to rotate the wheels. I've also considered getting some narrower FWD rims with 25mm adapter/spacers. Rota D2's have also come up.

Any suggestions?

[exitsine]

for the money the 962 is the way to go. It weighs ALOT tho. but they can take a beating( friends curbed 11 times and it still holds air).

I say get REALLY nice grip tires on the front(go staggered), and then use all those 225's for sliding, that way you have more grip up front always and dont have to worry about switching them out.

Im pretty shure with 18s and coilovers you will need to modify the fender, just my idea. probbobly just a roll.

[nevaland9]

explain to me how you would rotate wheels with the same size tire but different width rims?

FWD wheels with huge spacers FTL. here what you do..save your money go 5 lug and buy something used from the wheels+tires FS section. i havnt checked in a while but theres mad amounts of nice offset/sized wheels for sale recently.

[sillyvia13]

I agree with the good tires up front and "burn if you got em's" in back...
I ran a set of azenis for a while once they got to bad for me to trust them (aka sidewalls slicks), I burned em! They last awhile in front, depending on your style of driving and shit!

BUY 1 set of great front tires...
and run sport maxx in back! with your stock pile of tires...
I can get the sport maxx holy shit cheap for you too!
like $110 a rim! thats a secret! lol...you can pick them up in nh to to save more cash!
I sold you the tie rods and shit you have! lol...Russ @ JNR :coold:

where are you sliding at this year?
at the test track with the bimmers! lol...I seen the vid on ct drifting...nice stuff!
lmk

[firelizard]

Buy some proper 9-lug wheels, then you're not boned when you up to 5-lug, you get to keep the awesome wheels.

[racerjake]

Yeah - no rotating if a do staggered anything.

Russ!! Good to hear from ya. I'm still hoping something happens and LRP or Stafford this year. Otherwise I'm taking some trips.

So what do you guys think about doing 225/40 F/R with a staggered 9.5/8.5 width wheel?

[ThatGuy]

I really wish people would stop suggesting Rotas or Sportmaxes for anything more than boat anchors.

[mrpeepers]

I really wish people would stop suggesting Rotas or Sportmaxes for anything more than boat anchors.

haha i slapped me knee. Thanks

[Skullavera]

I really wish people would stop suggesting Rotas or Sportmaxes for anything more than boat anchors.

Touche.

Those wheels are at least 35lbs a wheel and are hard to break loose on a stock motor. If you have an SR then it's passable but they're not worth it IMO if you are going to drift with them.

[Full-Lock]

work emotion xd9
17x9.5
18x10.5
not too cheap but cheap enough

no rota or sportmax

[Frosty_spl]

8.5 inch width = gay.

[exitsine]

Yeah - no rotating if a do staggered anything.

Russ!! Good to hear from ya. I'm still hoping something happens and LRP or Stafford this year. Otherwise I'm taking some trips.

So what do you guys think about doing 225/40 F/R with a staggered 9.5/8.5 width wheel?


just buy some smaller tires for the front, dont run the same tire size up front as in the rear. best choice would be to buy nice grip tires for the front..

You could always sell your 18 inch tires, buy some 17's and a couple tires, and then go dumpster diving for tires.

[pignose4life]

stock SE's nuff said

[frosty_the_iceman]

I'd go with some 9-holes if I were you. Nice wheels, decent offsets.

http://www.rbwheels.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=25_30

Check these out.

[drift freaq]

I really wish people would stop suggesting Rotas or Sportmaxes for anything more than boat anchors.

I would concur with this. Basically Rota's and Sportmax's are crap. Rota's break and Sportmax's are like stated above. Your better off fiinding a set of used JDM wheels from a importer. Or spending a few dollars more and getting some Works,5zigens or a couple of other brands of JDM wheels new. If you watch the group buy and advertisers special section you will find some real deals. You also might consider MB Weapons if you insist on going down the cheap wheel road. They are heads above Rota's and Sportmax's.

[kingyogi]

Touche.

Those wheels are at least 35lbs a wheel and are hard to break loose on a stock motor. If you have an SR then it's passable but they're not worth it IMO if you are going to drift with them.
yes, sport max wheels are too damn heavy. i owned 962's when i picked up my first s14, they were really heavy. but with an automatic and stock KA it did turn the tires over if i cut the wheel.

[adrians_s13]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=170310

do it

[racerjake]

I'd go with some 9-holes if I were you. Nice wheels, decent offsets.

http://www.rbwheels.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=25_30

Check these out.

Um - yeah - thanks - terrible offsets, unless you think I can stretch a 225 on a 13" rim.

[racerjake]

Good stuff guys. I have a KA-T, so no problem spinning 'em. But yeah, the 962's are about 32lbs each. That is a bit silly. That's about twice the weight of my 16x8 Sportmax 501's!

I couldn't find the MB weapon in a 4-bolt. Work Emotions would work great. 18x8 in 28mm offset all around would work for me. But they are looking like $1500 a set!

Good thoughts on some "good" tires on front - but my pile of tires are actually really good tires.

Any thoughts on the Tenzo DC6 v1? They come in 18x8 +25 and are 22.5lbs. I think a set of bronze ones on my Red S13 would look pretty good.

[projectRDM]

Staggering is retarded if you plan on running the same tire size. Just pick up a set of 18x9, +20 (or less) of any kind you prefer.

[Matej]

8" is too narrow for 18's, even for 17's, 9" width should be minimum.
By the way I'm running 18x9.5 Sportmaxes all around for now.
If you want cheap 4-lug wheels, the 18x9.5 +15 concaved Rotas don't look bad either.

[racerjake]

Staggering is retarded if you plan on running the same tire size. Just pick up a set of 18x9, +20 (or less) of any kind you prefer.

Agreed. Problem is I can't find any 18x9 +20 4-bolt wheels. Maybe everyone is right and I should convert - but even in 5-bolt, they don't seem all too common.

[OptionZero]

You can get Work Emotion XD9 or XT7 in 4 lug

17x9.5 +17 for xd9
17x9 +17 for xt7

hit up A Spec Logan or yokotas13

[racerjake]

You can get Work Emotion XD9 or XT7 in 4 lug

17x9.5 +17 for xd9
17x9 +17 for xt7

hit up A Spec Logan or yokotas13

Again - really big pile of really good 225/40 18's.

[khmerguy618]

go 5lug and get some mbs.

[OptionZero]

Again - really big pile of really good 225/40 18's.

They also come in 18 inch sizes

http://www.aspecproducts.com/forums/zilvia/work/XD9_size.jpg

http://www.aspecproducts.com/forums/zilvia/work/XT7_size.jpg

so again

hit up A Spec Logan or YokotaS13

[racerjake]

Thanks!! Will do. There it is: 18x9 20mm offset. 114.3x4. Now why can't I find that kinda stuff?!! I'll get a price, but I have a feeling that if it is well over $1K, I'd probably be better off putting the $ into a 5-bolt conversion.

My searching also came up with the Rota P45F in 18x8.5 +25. Looks to be about 20lbs (or 12lbs less than Sportmax)

[johngriff]

Or just go 5 lug in the back, and pick up a used set of 4 18x9.5 somethings for the back, and run a 17x9 with a newer tire up front.

Then you can use your 18 inch tires for drifting, keep a high quality tire up front. Plus changing to different wheels, even if they are printed to have the same offset will not ALWAYS have the same offset, because of manufacturing differences, and lip sizing. A matching set of 4 for the back, and a pair for the front and you should be set, that way your not f'ing your alignment through wheel changes trackside.

Go high quality used. Oh, and 5 lug in the back is cheap cheap, like junkyard status.

[racerjake]

... I'm running 18x9.5 Sportmaxes all around for now.
If you want cheap 4-lug wheels, the 18x9.5 +15 concaved Rotas don't look bad either.

Any chance you got a picture? How are you on clearance in and out? Spacers? Rolled?

I'm a bit concerned about clearance - especially up front since I run steering rod spacers.

And on that note - CAN I or SHOULD I do 18x9.5 Front and Rear with 225/40 wrapped around them all?

[projectRDM]

Thanks!! Will do. There it is: 18x9 20mm offset. 114.3x4. Now why can't I find that kinda stuff?!! I'll get a price, but I have a feeling that if it is well over $1K, I'd probably be better off putting the $ into a 5-bolt conversion.

My searching also came up with the Rota P45F in 18x8.5 +25. Looks to be about 20lbs (or 12lbs less than Sportmax)

I just put the P45Fs in that size on a friend's car, they look similar to LMGT4s, though they are cheap and heavy he got five wheels (spare) and tires and came in just under $1100. Hard to beat that, especially when the car really was needing wheels of some kind.

[Matej]

Any chance you got a picture? How are you on clearance in and out? Spacers? Rolled?
Ebay spacers and baseball bat fenders haha.
http://www.1upbonus.com/personal/images/sx_21.jpg

[drift freaq]

I just put the P45Fs in that size on a friend's car, they look similar to LMGT4s, though they are cheap and heavy he got five wheels (spare) and tires and came in just under $1100. Hard to beat that, especially when the car really was needing wheels of some kind.

for that price add $100 to the wheels and $200 for some Federals and get some Works and call it a day. Like other people have said talk to Logan at ASpec.

[S13SilviaGirl]

Rotas are crap. It has been beat to death already. The wheels fall apart. If you want cheap wheels go with them. If you want quality that actually has some R&D and longstanding history behind them that is positive...go with a well known wheel....

Work
SSR
Grenade
Ect.

[racerjake]

Gotchya. Rota's fall apart. Sportmax are boat anchors. I just want to be yelled at a bit about these...

Tenzo DC-6 that just came out a few months ago...
http://www.elementwheels.com/prodimages/dc6bronze.jpg
IMHO these are gorgeous and are readily available in 4x114.3 in either a 18x8 E25 or 18x9.5 E25 and not only cost about $500 less for a set than Works, but are actually a bit lighter.

Talk me out of them........... now.

[Full-Lock]

ehh they are still TENZO

but matej, your car actually looks cool.

[SimpleSexy180]

were work,ssr,gramlights ever good when they started? any problems? or were they started buy some rich people?

[Ca_laurier]

this thread has been killed with sportmax talk

only way your going to get half decent rims is paying up

my choices would be ssr sp1; work miester s1, xt7, xd9, some eurolines come 4/5 lug; volk has nothing to my knowledge in 18's in 4 lug

all in all your going to be running shitty sizes for 4 lug in 18's if you don't want to sped a decent coin

keep your eyes on any used wheel website cause some older wheels did come in 18's that are sick

[racerjake]

Good points on the 5-lug stuff. If I go new I could do an Enkei RZ5 18x8.5 24mm offset or MB Weapon 18x9 15mm. - both for a bit less than the Tenzo's or the Rota's. What's the most cost effective way to do a 5-bolt conversion? Should I do the converting hubs and just drill my rotors? (which are brand new).


http://www.wheelsbymbmotoring.com/images/med_Weapon.jpghttp://www.buywheelstoday.com/images_products/SP_1887.jpg

[Ca_laurier]

wow i totally over looked mb weapons but for the price, its great for the cost

best 5 lug for the money is the ichiba kit, you can get used ones from jdm suppliers but imo i would never trust them

[drift freaq]

Gotchya. Rota's fall apart. Sportmax are boat anchors. I just want to be yelled at a bit about these...

Tenzo DC-6 that just came out a few months ago...
http://www.elementwheels.com/prodimages/dc6bronze.jpg
IMHO these are gorgeous and are readily available in 4x114.3 in either a 18x8 E25 or 18x9.5 E25 and not only cost about $500 less for a set than Works, but are actually a bit lighter.

Talk me out of them........... now.

Right when I thought people could not sink any lower on wheel choices. In the words of ixfxi aka Mike Mamos "Just say no to Tenzo" Tenzo are a Thai wheel company that also make's Lenso's . They break and break really badly to the point of extremely dangerous. They are horrid ricer junk.

[S13Boosts]

tenzo's?:tweak: go grab ur self some riken mesh or some enkei's than dump the shit outta ur car and call it it day... there not 18's but i rather rock those than some cheap ass 18's anyday..

[ThatGuy]

Spend your money on REAL WHEELS!

..Knowledge is power!

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[SimpleSexy180]

so like when u ride tenzos your wheel breaks when your going to the grocery store?

or or or your wheel splits in half from making a u turn?

[MeSs]

I really wish people would stop suggesting Rotas or Sportmaxes for anything more than boat anchors.
Rota Torque Drift, 18x9,5 - 16lbs... :) :aw:
But sportmax, ive had the sportmax 006 18x9,5 for a year, fekkin 50lbs with tire.

[ThatGuy]

Well once the Rota breaks you can use the hub like a grappling hook to hold the boat in place.

Plain an simple, Stop buying knock-offs!

[MeSs]

Well once the Rota breaks you can use the hub like a grappling hook to hold the boat in place.

Plain an simple, Stop buying knock-offs!
Strange that Driftworks have used rotas on two of their demo Driftcars..
http://media.driftworks.com/EDCRd4/PhilBon1.jpg
http://www.driftworks.com/images/Random/11.jpg

Im not saying, buy knock offs.. I just dont wanna ruin/drift a nice set of work wheels :)

[ThatGuy]

If you're worried about breaking shit, stop drifting.

Again: "No, not EVERY set of Rotas will explode when abused. But they are still knock-offs. A.K.A. No R&D, No Originality, Low Quality COPIES of decent wheels from good companies. Companies that took the time R&D and use better methods/materials for constructing wheels."

[INeedNewTires]

dude all said and done, if you invest in a few sets of 4lug wheels and spacers n shit.... you might as well just buy at least rear 5lug and then you have a shit ton of choices.... i got a bunch of used M45 wheels, 18x8.5 with like a 25 offset i think, they fit nice, are strong as shit, not that heavy, and cheap as balls........ everytime someone cheaps out and gets nice 4lug wheels, their always sorry in the long run. you get what you pay for dude, do it right the first time

my 2c

[lflkajfj12123]

If you're worried about breaking shit, stop drifting.

Again: "No, not EVERY set of Rotas will explode when abused. But they are still knock-offs. A.K.A. No R&D, No Originality, Low Quality COPIES of decent wheels from good companies. Companies that took the time R&D and use better methods/materials for constructing wheels."

this is nothing more than the truth, and if you can't afford to buy non knockoff wheels maybe you should consider another hobby

like knitting

[Pank]

this is nothing more than the truth, and if you can't afford to buy non knockoff wheels maybe you should consider another hobby

like knitting

I always see old ladies running old knockoff yarn, like they dont care about running NICE yarn with lots of R&D behind it.

yeah, the yarn is ok, but what about 4 years down the line when the sweater explodes?

[racerjake]

... everytime someone cheaps out and gets nice 4lug wheels, their always sorry in the long run....
my 2c

Yeah - I think you're right on the money. Looks like I can get the ichiban conversion and the MB Weapons for cheaper than a set of the Work wheels. I'll have tons of wheel options and I'll even get new wheel bearings to boot! Seems stupid to do anything else.

Thanks for the help everyone!!!

[racerjake]

I always see old ladies running old knockoff yarn, like they dont care about running NICE yarn with lots of R&D behind it.

yeah, the yarn is ok, but what about 4 years down the line when the sweater explodes?

ROTFL!

I appreciate all the info about wheels being heavy or weak - that's valuable info. But not getting a wheel because they are copies of something is ridiculous! I mean how many of you use Hankook, Federal, Fuzion, or some other cheap ass tire that might be "dangerous"? You better only run Michelins or another tire that has all those years of R&D and development if you want to get preachy.

[ThatGuy]

Work Equips and BFG gForce Sports.

Any other questions?

Knock-offs = SHIT

[jbuckley]

Any suggestions? 1 . save your money up and buy s14 hubs and spindles , convert to 5 lug cheap and easy then go get some work 18x9.5 wheels to run with your 225`s all around (dont be ghey with 18x7 drag car crack head status wheels)

2. roll oem for a bit , sell your tires and save money to buy hubs and shit thats cool , not gay .

3. they make grenades in a size your looking for , try to find some second hand ones!

[racerjake]

Work Equips and BFG gForce Sports...

Very impressive. I'm a big fan of consistency. I'm surprised you don't drive a Mustang - I mean with Henry Ford and all...

1 . save your money up and buy s14 hubs and spindles , convert to 5 lug cheap and easy

Why not the Ichiban kit? I'm not a big fan of used parts. I've had bearings fail and hubs crack on the racetrack. I was probably going to change all wheel bearings anyway.

[ThatGuy]

Very impressive. I'm a big fan of consistency. I'm surprised you don't drive a Mustang - I mean with Henry Ford and all...

I'm not trying to impress anyone. You challenged my position and opinion, so I merely informed you. What does a Mustang have to do with anything?

[lflkajfj12123]

whoooahhh man

wooooo mang

don't say the m word

[racerjake]

.... What does a Mustang have to do with anything?

Just being a little sarcastic. I was implying that you'd have to drive a Ford if you only choose based on who invented things, was in the business longer, etc.

Bad joke. Sorry.

I honestly do appreciate the advice.

[racerjake]

Don't mean to bump again - but thanks again to everyone who offered help on this board. I've learned a lot quickly. I'm new here and and am blown away by the amount you guys are willing to help. If anybody needs an road racing advice, please drop me a line.

www.racerjake.com

[Taasinboy]

Ebay spacers and baseball bat fenders haha.
http://www.1upbonus.com/personal/images/sx_21.jpg
what size ebay spacers are you running? a friend of mine said that he purchased a set from ebay and the studs and lugs stuck out of the spacers so when he tried to put on the rim it wouldnt fit. a little help would be nice. sorry for the thread jack. just thought i could use some help.

[Full-Lock]

if i recall correctly he has +50's on the rear for spacers..
fronts..not sure

[HyperTek]

http://www.iloveracing.com/images/je104.jpg
http://www.iloveracing.com/images/je001.jpg

Man these are pimp!! lmao
but then again there some crazy ass people out there who might shoot you/get offended if u rocked em, prolly vandalize ur car lol


jus go 5lug its cheap,.. drill out the 4lug hubs/mod em to 5lug, did it on my s13 and LB Motoring's old s13.. worked great then get some cheap fn01s or atech weapons.

You would spend more $$ tryin to find bling 4 lugs

[racerjake]

Agreed. I'm going 5-lug.

[MeSs]

Im going 5lug myself :)

[SHIFT_*grind*]

Looks like you've made your decision, and the horse is long since dead and has been thoroughly beaten post-mortem, but...if I'm trying to save money, I'd buy used quality wheels over new knockoffs anyday. Try www.jspec.com; they don't have a huge inventory, but they get some pretty decent wheels from time to time and you can find some good deals as well. I got some quality multi-piece 16" meshes for $400 shipped :)

[jackjack]

but then again there some crazy ass people out there who might shoot you/get offended if u rocked em, prolly vandalize ur car lol



true. i hate it when random crap happens to my car :rant:

[Koopa Troopa]

To the OP.. If you're still interested in going to 5 lug by the time I get back I'll sell you my 33 GT-R's for cheaper than you can get a set of Rota's to include shipping.