To good to be true? Probably..

[wootwoot]

I know its FWD but FWD can still be really fun on a track if driven right and is often more practical overall.. But I find this car to be fucking awesome. Has GM finally gone and done something right? Holy hell I hope so.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/28/officially-official-2008-chevy-cobalt-ss-bows-at-sema/

[Daniel.]

great improvments overall, but it's still only good enough for me to run over with a bulldozer.

[exitspeed]

Wanna hear something even cooler...

That means that engine will end up in the Saturn Astra!
http://cache.jalopnik.com/cars/assets/resources/2007/02/Saturn-Astra-TOP.jpg

[jackjack]

meh............. i'll pass

[BustedS13]

my old roommate had an ion redline. what a pile of shit that car was. seriously, if you like shit build quality and bad handling, a GM "pocket rocket" is perfect for you.

[exitspeed]

my old roommate had an ion redline. what a pile of shit that car was. seriously, if you like shit build quality and bad handling, a GM "pocket rocket" is perfect for you.

The ION was the last POS that Saturn had. In case you haven't been paying much attention GM is going through a renaissance. Saturn was the first brand to get a complete over haul and every vehicle they've released since the Aura is better then the last.

GM's quality has also risen drastically.

Their interior designs have went from Hertz quality low budget plastic garbage, to Saturn Interiors (the Sky excluded) arguably rivaling that of MB, and Lexus in fit and finish and design.

Seriously. Get in a new GM car that's been released in the last 2-3 years. It's a whole new world.

[jackjack]

^ hmmmm i'm interesting. i'll have to check that out

[Antihero983]

um its not a whole new world, they're just re-badged opels, because thats the only branch of GM that hasn't screwed the fucking pooch.

ugh i hate GM.

[B18C5MK1]

the only gm i'd buy:

http://www.forgeline.com/wheels/c6z06-003.jpg



(c5 too)

[BustedS13]

the only gm i'd buy:

http://www.forgeline.com/wheels/c6z06-003.jpg



(c5 too)

ding! i'd go for an ls1 f body or a goat, too.

[VROOOM]

F bodies are boats.

[exitspeed]

um its not a whole new world, they're just re-badged opels, because thats the only branch of GM that hasn't screwed the fucking pooch.

ugh i hate GM.

And? Inifities are just rebadges Nissans? It was a genius move for them to sell Opels here as Saturns. Saturn needed a new image. GM happened to have a youthful line of cars in it's repertoire. It's cost effective and it ended up paying off tremendously.

GM did the same thing with Cadillac and the introduction of the CTS and it's new styling language. Now they are going even further with it and the second Gen CTS is being showered with praise. Plus it's dependability is bonkers. (See below)

Pontiac is about 2 years away from a compelete over-haul that a lot of people on this very forum have been asking for; RWD cars. The first car is the G8, but the G5 and G6 are going to be replaced with RWD cars. BINGO. It took forever, but Pontiac will finally be a sporty/sports car line it was meant to be.

Buick's Enclave is a great vehicle inside and out. Combine that with Buicks insane dependability. WIN. (See below)

Chevy has a way to go, but the new Malibu is a great start.

GMC (should get axed), Saab (should get axed), Hummer (eh, hold their value, that's about all I can say about then).

There's quit a bit of good stuff coming out of GM right now and in the near future. Unfortunately Ford and Chysler aren't even paying attention.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/exitspeed/jdpowerdepend1.jpg

[BustedS13]

F bodies are boats.

quick boats. not like there's any good roads around here (or in this whole country) anyway :)

[VROOOM]

quick boats. not like there's any good roads around here (or in this whole country) anyway :)

true but id rather have the ls motor in my s14 or rx7. best of both worlds

[BustedS13]

valid, there's a guy with an ls1 powered s14 around here, it's pretty much the coolest s14 of all time.

[VROOOM]

valid, there's a guy with an ls1 powered s14 around here, it's pretty much the coolest s14 of all time.

yeah, that would be fun.

[wootwoot]

oh wow F the SS that Astra is seriously gonna be mine.....I love 2 door hatches but there havent been any good here for a while. For real, probably mine when I graduate.

[exitspeed]

oh wow F the SS that Astra is seriously gonna be mine.....I love 2 door hatches but there havent been any good here for a while. For real, probably mine when I graduate.

It's a good buy. IIRC correclty the Opel Astra was voted car of the year from one European publication.

I thought about buying one as a cheap commuter car. Since I get my dads GM discount it would be a good deal.

[status:one]

God I hate domestic sport compacts.

[exitspeed]

The Saturn is European technically.

[Andrew @ 240sxMotoring]

German to be exact.

[exitspeed]

German to be exact.

Indeed.

Eventually Saturn and Opel will have identical lineups. The new Aura that's coming out looks awesome too.

[wootwoot]

Since its European is it solid rear axle? They love that shit. Hook it up with that discount sonnn...

[exitspeed]

Since its European is it solid rear axle? They love that shit. Hook it up with that discount sonnn...

Not sure exactly.

And unfortunately his discount is only open to family members. Unless you wanna pay cash, I'll do it through me. ;)

[Andrew @ 240sxMotoring]

Indeed.

Eventually Saturn and Opel will have identical lineups. The new Aura that's coming out looks awesome too.

They already share the Saturn Sky/Opel Roadster!

[exitspeed]

They already share the Saturn Sky/Opel Roadster!

I know, and the Aura/Vectra, and the Astra. In a few more years, they will share all cars. Funny thing about the Sky/Opel is that WE actually got the Sky before they did.

[((sr)) kelly]

Shits Weak!!!!!!!

[wootwoot]

I dont get why its weak? 30mpg and 260hp...Sounds good to me

[Daniel.]

I dont get why its weak? 30mpg and 260hp...Sounds good to me


I wouldn't really mind it if it was a dd.

But as a weekend track car.......:bash:

[wootwoot]

I know RWD is more fun as a track car, but I honestly bet with track pads and better wheels that thing would be frickin fun.

[jfc3po]

Volvo C30 FTMFW

Fucking pimp in person...

[Tops*]

It's still an ugly car for 16 year old ricers IMO. That's all a Cobalt SS will ever be in my mind. I know they are very capable cars, but I saw too many a few years back in high school.

the only gm i'd buy

Yes sir.

[s14xman]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a149/s14xman/DSC00364.jpg
the 190hp quad 4 owns that thing! haha blown headgaskets all day!

[Dirty Habit]

God that thing is ugly.

[fromxtor]

My last 4 vehicles have been Nissans, and before that I havent owned an american car since I was 16 and that was a '65 Chevy Malibu Chevelle. I will be sticking w/ japanese vehicles thank you.

[exitspeed]

Volvo C30 FTMFW

Fucking pimp in person...

I like the C30 too. Have you priced one though? The options make it ridiculous.

But you can get it in any two tone colors you want. That's sick.

[Kn1ves]

The Chevy Cobalt SS just lapped the Nurburgring. Yes that one. As fast as the R32 Skyline

http://youtube.com/watch?v=urwJVnWHjiI

# 8:12 - Porsche 993 Turbo (430 hp version) [citation needed]
# 8:13 - BMW M5 E60, 507 PS (sport auto 12/04)
# 8:13 - Ferrari 355 GTB (Sport Auto 10/1994)
# 8:17 - Porsche 996 C2 [citation needed]
# 8:22 - Chevy Cobalt SS 2008 2.0 Turbo (Source GM)
# 8:22 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R32, 280 PS/36 kgf·m/1430 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series [The R32 GT-R])
# 8:22 - BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
# 8:22 - BMW M Coupe E36/7, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
# 8:22 - Mercedes CLK 63 AMG (fastest AMG test engineer)
# 8:24 - Subaru Impreza WRX STI, sport tires (Sport Auto 05/04)
# 8:25 - Jaguar XKR (Sport Auto)

[steve shadows]

thats awesome :hahano:

dont underestimate america

btw i drove one of these little buggers around a course and it hauled ass

[k's_silvia2.0]

exitspeed you should be a GM rep.LOL.

[yudalicious]

potentially could be a good daily, dunno about track. wonder what kind of tires you can stuff under there.

[jskateborders]

sweet, they just made the lap as fast as nissan did... 17 years ago. Dont underestimate the american auto design.

[Kn1ves]

sweet, they just made the lap as fast as nissan did... 17 years ago. Dont underestimate the american auto design.

you understand how much this car costs? Or how much an BMW cost? or an STI?

[ranger240]

nvm.. can a mod delete this for me
thanks

[exitspeed]

exitspeed you should be a GM rep.LOL.

I know. I'm hoping I can post enough on here for someone big to notice and offer me a job. JK.

Seriously though, I was actually anti-American just a couple years ago. It wasn't until 04 or so when GM started making some good cars, interiors, and decisions that I got back on board. Ford and Chrysler still have a ways to go.

[ripnbst]

I agree with the comment about them matching a 17 yr old design but when considering the cost margin btw a cobalt ss and a R32 GTR its pretty sweet. Im surprised this thread hasnt moved towards the fact that they mentioned this motor going into the solstice GXP. Look out for some of those being fast pretty soon as long as the motor responds well to upgrades and can handle power. I would consider getting it, only downside is they dont offer anything not a convertible, meh.

[exitspeed]

I agree with the comment about them matching a 17 yr old design but when considering the cost margin btw a cobalt ss and a R32 GTR its pretty sweet. Im surprised this thread hasnt moved towards the fact that they mentioned this motor going into the solstice GXP. Look out for some of those being fast pretty soon as long as the motor responds well to upgrades and can handle power. I would consider getting it, only downside is they dont offer anything not a convertible, meh.

It's currently in the GXP and the Sky Redline.