Fell off the wrong side of the bed?

[sr20mofo]

hey s13grl... whats up with u locking threads like no tomorrow? I mean this is a chat forum... basically anything and everything that the people of zilvia.net have to express may say it here.... hence the word CHAT.... this doesnt have to be all about 240's.... people have other problems besides cars and sometimes need advice among other members or if something great has happen to them then they would like to share.... yes i agree some posts asking questions should be stated in the tech forum but seriously there are more members that go to the chat forum rather than the tech forum.... maybe thats why people posts questions there.... all I'm saying is dont abuse ur powers


as for JEdubbz.... hes a moron.... ignore his ass.... he has nothing else better to do than to try and put down people to feel better about himself when actually he is making a fool out of himself... isnt that right JEdubbz?
p.s. since u PM me and said ur shit and i've replied back... why haven't u give me an answer yet u lil fag?

[S13Grl]

I'm sorry, I'm just getting WAY too many complaints from old and current members about hating zilvia for all the off-topic posts. I mean things that are more or less relevant are okay, but why does everything on one page have to be totally irrelevant. I'm not trying to offend anyone: but let's talk about 240s, please. I miss the way this place used to be.

[fodive]

im not trying to say that some of these topics shouldnt be locked, but the way i feel about this place is its sort of a community, and when people have problems that dont have anything to do with cars, and they feel comfortable enough to ask us for help, then we should try and help them, but i do agree with locking all of the double and copycat posts, such as the photoshop posts right now, but anyways, just felt i should voice my opinion

[DrDubbleB]

The only thread I was not in agreement with closing was the photoshop thread (however yes, I am in agreement, that there have been far too many of them lately, and should be kept to one thread). It's a legit question wanting to see how a car looks before you go and paint it (or whatever the reason is), all other threads I think she was justified for closing. I know that I've PMed Grant a few times about threads I thought needed locking.

On that note, I still have not been able to make black look good on that car yet...it always looks turns out looking matte.

[matic 240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S13Grl @ Aug. 28 2002,8:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm sorry, I'm just getting WAY too many complaints from old and current members about hating zilvia for all the off-topic posts. I mean things that are more or less relevant are okay, but why does everything on one page have to be totally irrelevant. I'm not trying to offend anyone: but let's talk about 240s, please. I miss the way this place used to be.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

"I miss the way this place used to be"

me too... me too..

[GotDriftS14]

maybe you should think about making an off topic section like on Fresh Alloy. &nbsp;so that way people who dont wanna see OT stuff dont have to go there.

[DrDubbleB]

See...the thing is that it's a waste of bandwidth to have an off topic forum. &nbsp;I'm sure Mark doesn't want to pay the extra money so that people can talk about things that are in no way relevant to what this site is all about...

If you want to shoot the shit...go to off-topic.net. &nbsp;If you want to shoot the shit with fellow zilvia members, do it in the chat room.

[SR20Fastback]

My time here is sorta short lived, but I do remember when I joined how much nicer it was. I also know that S13Grl is a NAZI moderator &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;So I wouldnt take offense if your thread gets locked for some reason or another. So try to keep the OT's to a minimum if possible. I know I dont mind helping people with other issues aside cars, but when all of the page is OT: Blah Blah, it starts to get annoying.

Either way, Im here to stay...

[sil80]

What s13grl doesnt realize is that the community here and the ability to post openly is what makes zilvia. If it was only allow to post about the technical aspect of the 240's the this site would have almost no one here. Everyone would go to freshalloy.
I see no reason why a thread asking someone to photoshop a mod on there 240 should be locked. It brings in opinions on that mod and someone else might have also wondered what it might look like.. be it color change.. car dropped lower... wheels.. convertable.
Its one thing some one asks to change there hair style or give them a bigger head.. but it was about a 240 and changing its styel.
There are a lot of other threads that are posted here that have nothing to do with 240s. I pointed out west thread earlier cause he is the admin and his threads set expectations.

[camppain]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (matic 240sx @ Aug. 30 2002,08:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S13Grl @ Aug. 28 2002,8:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm sorry, I'm just getting WAY too many complaints from old and current members about hating zilvia for all the off-topic posts. I mean things that are more or less relevant are okay, but why does everything on one page have to be totally irrelevant. I'm not trying to offend anyone: but let's talk about 240s, please. I miss the way this place used to be.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

"I miss the way this place used to be"

me too... me too..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i think alot of the older members fdeel this way including me!

honestly this place fucking sucks lately. i've been going to i-club clubsi off-topic.net and sr20deforums shit even freshalloy lately!

the amount of bs topics on her is insane! the amount of people that just post whore is crazy. their are members that oined after me that have more posts. does that mean anything really? no but ni this case yes. meaning half the members i see always replying are just in chat all the topics i see have a big ol stupid "OT" in them. i hate having to shift thru the bullshit topics reading dumb ass posts. you may say dont read them. but its annoying when you makea legitimate topic and have it pushed back to page 4 the 2nd day. we've complained about this before and it got a lil better. we've complained alot of times when newbs just invaded the forum. it was alot more fun back in january till like feb then it was all downhill. all the posts about "superstreet this and that" s15 conversions. people saying "when i buy a 240 imma get a sr" and they dont even own a car its stupid.

anyone can tell me im bitching to much but ive contributed alot to this forum and helped alot of people just like alot of senior members have helped me. to the people that joined before 02 how many names do you see in the topics or last reply? none! none of the senior members start topics (rarely in any occasion) might be cause they know more? maybe thats why they are senior members.

we need to have any newb have 2 weeks after signing up not be able to post. that would cut down on the amount of stupid shit posted repeatedly. shit serach is working. plus all the photoshop requests?! its outta hand every other day if not every hour someone wants something. why dont people just serach fpor the topics and im the person that chopped the last request.

we do need more topics like a strictly off topic not a off topic "240 RELATED CHAT"

http://212.212.159.196/camppain/imagesP/chat.jpg

i dont see it ssaying ot anything goes on it do you? their is off-topic.net like people mentioned so many times when we complained in the past. true we are a closer community and would like to see others opinions but when every topic is like that?

if it continues im out for good. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> so say what you want but remeber im better than you! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[camppain]

ohh and now to add we got every dickhead that got the thread that they started making another thread to push important ones down yet again?!



you guys need to get a fucking life and not take something on the net to heart.

granted zilvia is going down the drain due to idiots like you and since ive been here a while and know the people online and some in person that i have met at 240 meets i feel i can let the idiotic shit on here annoy me just a tad.

in short grow some balls between your legs

[negular]

i got only one thing to say/ask.... s13grl, is ur sig directed at me?

edit: actually 2 things... second is: i've been here for a while, as u can see, and it is true, theres way more b.s. topics started... sorry i sometimes contribute <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'>

[camppain]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (negular @ Aug. 30 2002,08:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i got only one thing to say/ask.... s13grl, is ur sig directed at me?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
no alphonzo is twhat rich from fatmanracing thought my name was at the kc 240 meet. and since i had the last chicago meet in my sig which i still do she just played along.

[negular]

oh allright... i thought i was doomed there for a second <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

[DMCS14]

I can see how everyone wants to share there problems here it is a pretty close community of generally nice ppl, but I also agree it takes away from more important topics. I dont know much about making websites, but I have been to a few that have built in "chatrooms" maybe we should get one of those? Yea, just talking cause I'm bored.

[SimpleS14]

It's good to keep OT to a minimum, but there is only so much you can chat about when it comes to a car that has been out of production (in the U.S.) for four years and most of the people are new or don't have the money for mods (like myself).

But this forum seems to have better topics then others. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/whatsthat.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':whatthe:'>

[whateverjames]

some of the stuff i don't care if it was locked. but to lock jeff's thread. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'> &nbsp; &nbsp;he doesn't post here much. i didn't mind his off topicness. the battledamage one and the new homeowner ones didn't bother me either.

this will be a sad place if we can't get a little off topic (yet keep the topics to where someone can at least have something to reply with or at least think about) i don't want to go to offtopic.net to talk to people i don't know. &nbsp;like when i was venting about possibly getting fired. you guys are my ONLY friends....just joking. haha

[chickenmanq]

As an "old" zilvia member, I too feel the site has changed. &nbsp;(Hooray captain obvious!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> &nbsp;I really don't post much anymore, except in the tech section, and once in a while an update for the other "old" members' amusement. &nbsp;Like me driving my shitbox 81 Honda. &nbsp;As much as it's fun to try different vehicles, I really do miss Eleanor.

As far as topics go, yes, most topics don't have the slightest thing to do with any cars. &nbsp;Mostly its just a bunch of immature newbies yelling at each other. &nbsp;I'm not totally innocent, but it is getting bad.

Besides that, what the fuck is going on with all these "I drifted into curb, fence, brick wall at 25-55-75 mph"? &nbsp;It seems there aren't too many members exercising common sense anymore. &nbsp;I used to race Eleanor at 60 mph through single-track forest roads with trees on both sides, and I never managed to hit any of them. &nbsp;Know your limits! &nbsp;Practice in the parking lots and learn your car's handling characteristics.

I'm still thinking about 240's, but only to keep them out of the punk-ass SCC fans that will no doubt run them into solid objects. &nbsp;It seems the 240 is getting way too much publicity lately. &nbsp;All the drifting articles. &nbsp;More posts on SR20's than KA's. &nbsp;I probably shouldn't talk, since I never truly owned a 240 (Eleanor was close, had she been better in the turns), but it seems this site's close-knit group of people is getting farther apart.

[camppain]

i agree with james i didnt think jeffnj's topic deserved to be locked. the battle damage was ok.

i think it breaks down to this.

most of the people that make ot posts always make ot posts. they need to excersise control. jeff's case and unninjas case is different they rarely make any new topics.

im with chicken. i remeber when he would post alot in tech along with myself. now i dont even bother.

[SR20Fastback]

8 threads on the first page alone are OT... Thats almost a 3rd of the posts for the first page alone! It seems like a pretty big number to me. I agree that OT posts should be limited, but like GT Spec R said... after while there just isnt much to talk about the car. I dont really see any good threads anymore. Its usually lame bullshit, that I still respond to because Im bored. How often is there a good topic? How many times is there a "what do I need for my SR swap?" or "how do I make my car a silvia drift car?"

Not to single people out or stereo-type... but these are almost ALWAYS asked by newb's. I think it would bennefit all to not allow newbies to post for a week or two until they start to understand how things work around here. I also think it should be required that they read that post in FAQ about newbie expectations or whatever.

It seems like once every couple months a thread like this starts where everyone is sick of how people act around here and say they might not come back. With all hope.. they should stay, because without most of our older members this board would blow ass. We're still lucky to see quite a few of them frequent here. I guess Im just sort of ranting at this point, and there probably is little hope of a way to get old members back and new ones out... &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

[icer]

i think most of the problem is the post counter, newbies post garbage to get there rank up, when I started coming to this board it was great, there were alot of knowlegable (spelling?) people and it really helped me pick out the perfect 240 for me. But now I see the same questions asked over and over and questions that can be answered just by clicking on a few links. I think you should get rid of the post counter and just keep the date the member joined. Thats just my opinion, but it really doesn't effect me cause only post as a last resort.

[camppain]

http://212.212.159.196/camppain/imagesP/genepool.jpg

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>

[JeffNJ]

I just wanna throw in my two cents as well. I used to post on this board way back when different software ran it. I mean, that was a way back. So, when I say I remember the way this place used to be, know that I mean it.

Okay, that established, when I needed help with a personal issue, I turned to my friends and I asked just about everyone I could think of. The amount their answers varied from one another was staggering, so I decided to get more answers - this time from people un-biased by knowing me ... from people that could step back and take an objective view.

Where did I first think I could find the biggest group of people willing to listen? Here. So, I punched www.zilvia.net into that URL bar for the first time in awhile. Once I got here, and saw the pics of the cars across the top, it occured to me, "Wait a minute, this isn't right venue for this". But then, just before I browsed away, I saw a post regarding a lot of drama.

I read that post, and in it I found someone going through a really hard time with his father. The post, and consequently the entire thread, had nothing to do with 240's or even cars at all. And yet, it was receiving a lot of replies .. a lot of sympathetic, understanding, and friendly replies. Sure, some were obnoxious, but all in all it was pretty warm.

So, I decided to open my heart up to the same crowd of people. There were compasionate replies, there were funny replies, and there were even automotive replies. I came home from a trip into NYC this evening and found all sorts of posts. I gotta say, it was nice. And then, when I went to reply, that's when I noticed the thread had been locked.

The thread began with an "OT:" so anyone who wanted to avoid it, could have. So, at long last, I ask now ... why was it locked?

ps: Thanks anyway everyone; I actually read out-loud some of the better parts of a few posts to my roommate. &nbsp;I don't care what anyone says - this place still rocks. &nbsp;When I buy another 240, I'll be back. &nbsp;'till then...

[fodive]

i understand where all of you guys are coming from, but id still rather have this board over something like freshalloy, where discussions seem to be pretty low, and least people take time to respond to question, yell at people and humor them and stuff, when i was first here not that long ago, i'd get frustrated when my questions went unawnsered, and right now its hard to come up with new qeustions about the cars that dont belong in the tech section, ya know? but there are way to many OT posts in the chat section, well, ill shut up now, but welcome back to all of the old members that left before i joined, i hope to learn from you all if you decide to stay, and please do...at least hang around in the tech section where good ?'s are actually asked sometimes. thx

[negular]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think you should get rid of the post counter and just keep the date the member joined. Thats just my opinion, but it really doesn't effect me cause only post as a last resort.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

i really like his idea... &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[chickenmanq]

I'm going to second (oops, no, third) icer's idea of not including number of posts, just the date joined.

JeffNJ, I too remember when the forum ran on "old" software. I actually preferred it, but the times they are a changing. (Sung off-tune <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>)

[whateverjames]

The blazer/s10 forums i go to, where it says "Number of posts:" after it, it just says "More than one". and that's for everyone. that'll kill the "i just hit 300 posts!" topics &nbsp; &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[HaLo]

I have been here for a while (nearly a year!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>, and I must say that Zilvia.net is a great source of information. &nbsp;I always got my questions answered and if I can give help out, I do. &nbsp;I don't post when it's not necessary. &nbsp;I just hang around and read. &nbsp;

However, I must admit that recently, I have been filtering more than reading. &nbsp;I can't say that OT threads are the problem. &nbsp;It's the repetitive questions concerning the SRs, the repetitives threads about things people see on eBay and the very old images someone found on the internet when you saw it 2 years ago. &nbsp;

These threads waste bandwith. &nbsp;I agree.

I must disagree on the "Elite" attitude though. &nbsp;"Newbies" or "Newbs" as you call them can be quite knowledgeable, as interesting as older members. &nbsp;I get sick of seeing older members flaming newer members because they asked the same question that was asked the week ago. &nbsp;

I think that the community could be much more enjoyable if the "newbs" were more properly guided and integrated in the community instead of starting wars and all.

Enjoy my 2 cents. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Loren]

if someone talks about photoshop, they get their post locked, but you through around the word Nazi like it means nothing. Don't try to make this into something its not, i think one of your motivating factors for locking posts is to use your authority and feel powerful, you might want to see the forum how it "used" to be, but you know you enjoy being the "nazi" otherwise you wouldn't make such a big deal out of it. i don't know what makes you feel inferior in real life that you have to come on the internet to demonstrate your power over others, but try and seperate the two, for the benefit of normal people who in their spare time like to talk about cars, and sometimes share other things.

and oh yeah, if you ban me for criticizing you, your just proving my point.

[fodive]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Aug. 29 2002,11:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if someone talks about photoshop, they get their post locked, but you through around the word Nazi like it means nothing. Don't try to make this into something its not, i think one of your motivating factors for locking posts is to use your authority and feel powerful, you might want to see the forum how it "used" to be, but you know you enjoy being the "nazi" otherwise you wouldn't make such a big deal out of it. i don't know what makes you feel inferior in real life that you have to come on the internet to demonstrate your power over others, but try and seperate the two, for the benefit of normal people who in their spare time like to talk about cars, and sometimes share other things.

and oh yeah, if you ban me for criticizing you, your just proving my point.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
you know, have you every said anything posititvie to anyone on this board? cause all i ever here from you are wise ass one liners every now and agian anyways...

S13grl isnt trying to be a nazi, she was trying to amke a point tonite to stop getting people to post so many OT's, i can understand why she wants it to be like ti was because were losing a lot of the older members who have a lot of useful knowledge,(not saying new people dont) and i for one want to know as much as possible about my car, and that is most of the reason i am here, but it is also the best forum i have seen, the peopleon here are great(most of them), but stupid posts are getting out of hand, and il admit that ive made some stupid ones to im not immune, but i dont want everyone leaving because of OT's, cause most of them are cool people

[S13Grl]

I didn't lock all the threads on that page. I locked the duplicate off-topics that were about 1/4 mile runs and about ps requests. I locked the ones that weren't duplicates, but were done with ps requests, and I locked your threads about learning how to post pictures. I also locked the SCC thread due to irrelevancy (no one ever said anything bad about SCC) and I locked the other one b/c i figured someone would start arguing for naked women, others against. The threads with fathers, jeff's thread, and the person's with the house, I didn't lock. There is seven of us here, &nbsp;remember? And I kinda figured those were important news so I left them up.

[adey]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Aug. 29 2002,9:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and oh yeah, if you ban me for criticizing you, your just proving my point.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/whatsthat.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':whatthe:'>
oh please...... that's one of the most pathetic things I've heard on a message board to date... and I've been on message boards and mailing lists for a while!

I like this place as a 240SX community and can tolerate a few OT posts, but I must say it's gotten a little out of hand recently.

[KiDyNomiTe]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Aug. 29 2002,11:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if someone talks about photoshop, they get their post locked, but you through around the word Nazi like it means nothing. Don't try to make this into something its not, i think one of your motivating factors for locking posts is to use your authority and feel powerful, you might want to see the forum how it "used" to be, but you know you enjoy being the "nazi" otherwise you wouldn't make such a big deal out of it. i don't know what makes you feel inferior in real life that you have to come on the internet to demonstrate your power over others, but try and seperate the two, for the benefit of normal people who in their spare time like to talk about cars, and sometimes share other things.

and oh yeah, if you ban me for criticizing you, your just proving my point.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I have a feeling she wasn't the one who came up with the nazi mod nickname. Everyone calls her that.


BTW can we still keep Friday Humors, but no Tuesday Humor or Wednesday Humor, for the lazy who can't wait. And if there is a way, you guys should make a newcomer PM that goes to everyone when they make an account, or just send one to everyone now, that explains about FAQ section, and what to post and what not to. I know things like e-mail services send you a letter explaining rules. I am sure one of the mods could make a nice PM with some basic rules and TOS violations.

[DrDubbleB]

Ok, Forum Nazi is just something that people have been calling Irena (S13Grl) ever since I have been here, it's a joke, it's not something to be taken seriously.

This is one of the reasons I left the forums for 2 months, there has been too much bitching and moaning. Right now 4 of the top 5 topics are people complaining about the forums and it's all because of this stupid ass thread that got started.

How old are you guys? It sounds like you're still in Kindergarten with the amount of bitching and moaning you're doing, grow the fuck up or leave the damned forums.

[S13Grl]

I called myself a forum nazi, just for the record. "Nazi moderation mode enabled?" That was me. That was when you joined, Kid. At first you kept on posting really uninteresting flame-causing things. You got better, though.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chickenmanq @ Aug. 28 2002,11:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm going to second (oops, no, third) icer's idea of not including number of posts, just the date joined. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
lol... how is date joined any better than total posts?? &nbsp;it just means active members that joined later will be called newbies a little more. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[KiDyNomiTe]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S13Grl @ Aug. 29 2002,11:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">At first you kept on posting really uninteresting flame-causing things. You got better, though.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
It'll get better when I get a car, hopefully in a month or two, then I will actually have something to post in the tech forum. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

But as you can see my posting has gone down, if I kept the same rate I was going I would be hitting the 2500s before the end of the year, now I juss read the Tech section, theres usually stuff for me to learn before I get the car.

[whateverjames]

on other forums, it's not near as bad with the Join Date only. but hell, lets get rid of those too! people can earn respect from their posts alone just fine.

also on other forums, there is always a sticky at the top laying down the rules of the forum and what they will tolerate. they may also include FAQ.

[SR20Fastback]

I also agree that the letter or sticky would be good for newer members... and I now agree with Irena was right with what she did today ( I would also like to add that im sorry for my reply to that woman bashing thread Irena <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> ) Either way, everyone does need to learn to grow up a little and show that they are smart enough to continue posting here by toning down the OT's and all the bitching. It will make the forums a better place for us all.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (whateverjames @ Aug. 29 2002,01:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">on other forums, it's not near as bad with the Join Date only. but hell, lets get rid of those too! people can earn respect from their posts alone just fine.

also on other forums, there is always a sticky at the top laying down the rules of the forum and what they will tolerate. they may also include FAQ.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
what's next... "you have only 4 letters in your nick.... i have 8! bow down newBiE!!!" ?!?

lolz... i can see it now.

[guidot]

Ok, I will front this one. &nbsp;I have started maybe one off topic post, and most of the time i don't reply at all if there is one. &nbsp;I agree, using this board as a laziness, I have nothing better to do, chat room is not a good idea. &nbsp;Serious OT posts like the father issues and such are welcomed by my ears, because these people expect a response from people that hear what they say every day and they "know" these people. &nbsp;As someone said earlier, this is a commmunity, and we have to deal with some personal issues that occur during peoples lives. &nbsp;Its like the workplace, they tell you to keep your social life out, but come on, tell me you haven't talked about your date last night or your dad getting upset with you. &nbsp;That would be unreasonable to ask of someone. &nbsp;
I would like to see everyone stay because we can make things happen...I started a meet using this board, and god help you if you try to take it away. &nbsp;DrBubbleb and I had a misunderstanding on the board, but we resolved it and I'm happy for that. &nbsp;Just go out and look at the other boards. &nbsp;We have fun here, more than some other places thats for sure. &nbsp;Lets keep it tight and friendly and mostly on-topic. &nbsp;The Mods aren't bad people, they are just trying to do a little right for the board.

[matic 240sx]

i really think the whole "OT" thing is gay as hell... 240sx topics only... this isn't a f*cking chat room..

i know some of you my get pissed but... but nothing i dont give a f*ck <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

"OT: LOLZ" - i want jokes i watch comic view
"OT: jus alot of drama for me" - i want drama i spend the day with my family
"OT: Whats Wrong With SCC" - who really cares
"OT: another new mag hit the stands" - did it have something on silvias? NO..
"OT: Red Hot Chili Peppers" - go watch mtv2
"OT: All I want for Xmas..." - tell santa, not me

not to mention all the ones that are about your lame topics being close

so if you dont like how s13girl is working it.. then leave.. go to freshalloy.com

Thank god im not a mod.. id be on a bannin spree

I know you guys dont see what the problems is but just try and understand ITS A 240sx FORUM which means... YOU TALK ABOUT 240sx!!!! IT DOESN'T MEAN BECAUSE YOU HAVE A 240sx YOU SHOULD COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT YOUR LIFE AND SOME SUCKING BAND!!

[drifting240sx]

i also remember back when i joined.almost a year ago. i never really posted because i just read the post.thats where i got all my information form.i know none of the senior members know who i am but i remember how they were all helpfull to everyone. and as for that one guy miata man he was totally uncalled for, for saying that i dont deserve a car. since i was 16 i have been working on cars and now im in school for being a real automotive tech.

also i agree for newbs to have a wait period till they start to post. it would be better for them to at least get some knowlage of the car

[matic 240sx]

i still want to push my idea of a section for newbies...

give them their own chat, tech... and we can post on their and help them.. but they cant post on the other chat and tech til they reach like 250 post.. but then most will prolly just post whore anything.. so then you ban'em &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[whateverjames]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (matic 240sx @ Aug. 29 2002,01:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i really think the whole "OT" thing is gay as hell... 240sx topics only... this isn't a f*cking chat room..

i know some of you my get pissed but... but nothing i dont give a f*ck <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

"OT: LOLZ" - i want jokes i watch comic view
"OT: jus alot of drama for me" - i want drama i spend the day with my family
"OT: Whats Wrong With SCC" - who really cares
"OT: another new mag hit the stands" - did it have something on silvias? NO..
"OT: Red Hot Chili Peppers" - go watch mtv2

not to mention all the ones that are about your lame topics being close

so if you dont like how s13girl is working it.. then leave.. go to freshalloy.com

Thank god im not a mod.. id be on a bannin spree

I know you guys dont see what the problems is but just try and understand ITS A 240sx FORUM which means... YOU TALK ABOUT 240sx!!!! IT DOESN'T MEAN BECAUSE YOU HAVE A 240sx YOU SHOULD COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT YOUR LIFE AND SOME SUCKING BAND!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
oh you forgot OT: All I want for Xmas...
that's right, it's because that's West's topic, tough guy. you used to be cool. now you are just really annoying.

[stil bil]

ok guys, first off i want to come out and admit that earlier today i was a little(suttle) on edge and got irate with my thread being locked....i did get hot, but today has been an awfull day (mainly with women) &nbsp;and just took offence to the smallest thing, but i just wanted an explination, not to get shit on....

I WANT TO OPENLY APPOLOGYSE (SPL) to everyone that had to witness the pissing contest earlier.


i do came here to learn about my car..i try to read only the topics in the tech forum....but decided to post...

i have to admit, i have posted some bad OT threads, but all i wanted was an opinion....


i dont wanna create enemys(espically moderators) <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

i love to come here and read, i usually dont care to post, mainly because i have nothing revelant to speak about, and i dont care about how many posts i have

from what i can tell more posts=respect thats about it....

well i have said my peice. &nbsp;I hope that i have rectafied any misconceptions about why i am here.

William

[matic 240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (whateverjames @ Aug. 29 2002,01:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (matic 240sx @ Aug. 29 2002,01:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i really think the whole "OT" thing is gay as hell... 240sx topics only... this isn't a f*cking chat room..

i know some of you my get pissed but... but nothing i dont give a f*ck <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

"OT: LOLZ" - i want jokes i watch comic view
"OT: jus alot of drama for me" - i want drama i spend the day with my family
"OT: Whats Wrong With SCC" - who really cares
"OT: another new mag hit the stands" - did it have something on silvias? NO..
"OT: Red Hot Chili Peppers" - go watch mtv2

not to mention all the ones that are about your lame topics being close

so if you dont like how s13girl is working it.. then leave.. go to freshalloy.com

Thank god im not a mod.. id be on a bannin spree

I know you guys dont see what the problems is but just try and understand ITS A 240sx FORUM which means... YOU TALK ABOUT 240sx!!!! IT DOESN'T MEAN BECAUSE YOU HAVE A 240sx YOU SHOULD COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT YOUR LIFE AND SOME SUCKING BAND!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
oh you forgot OT: All I want for Xmas...
that's right, it's because that's West's topic, tough guy. you used to be cool. now you are just really annoying.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
oh gawd.. you got me.. &nbsp;its west forum, so hes going to post whatever he wants regardless.. &nbsp;but yes if we voted for topics to come down i would want that topic closed... &nbsp;West can get mad at me i dont care... &nbsp;s13girl said the same thing when something tryed to shove that in her face its his site... &nbsp;ill even change my post just for you..

"that's right, it's because that's West's topic (WELL DUH SH*T HEAD), tough guy(YEA SO?). you used to be cool. now you are just really annoying(NICE TRY TO PUT ME DOWN)."

[DrDubbleB]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i still want to push my idea of a section for newbies...

give them their own chat, tech... and we can post on their and help them.. but they cant post on the other chat and tech til they reach like 250 post.. but then most will prolly just post whore anything.. so then you ban'em &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

The problem with this is that when people like me and blink0r came from other message boards (NICO), so it wouldn't be fair to them. &nbsp;Besides, there are a lot of knowledgable n00bies out there, it's just the idiots give them a bad name.

Anyways, why don't we all drop it for tonight...west said he's going to deal with it tomorrow, so let him deal with it tomorrow and give it a rest.

[bing]

i dont really want to lenghten this thread, because i doubt anybody is wasting their time reading it.

James, Matic, stop arguing... you should be setting examples for the new guys and your arguing over nothing.

on the post counter... i'm proud of my post count, i dont want to lose it.

u know when a newb knows his stuff because of the way they intro themselves. and you know when it's a stupid kid too. (i dont know where this fits in here but...)

i got s13grls back on this one, i was thinking i wanted to lock some of these ghey threads lately. and if you respect the site, respect her and shut up about it.

i had more to say but i cant remember and it's only the internet anyways so who really cares. but i go back to school next week so i'll be on the site more and i hope it gets better this winter, not worse.

[matic 240sx]

i dont want to fight with anyone... &nbsp;i didnt find nothing wrong with james' post he made his comment and i replyed.. but he had to add in that "you use to be cool" crap.. &nbsp;thats just lame.. &nbsp;but i dont care.. &nbsp;no one on here is going to tell Mark how to post its his forum... &nbsp;so why should i even bring him into it? &nbsp;of course i hate the whole OT idea, but if Mark likes it then what the f*ck am i going to do?

[SilviaDriver]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (matic 240sx @ Aug. 30 2002,12:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i really think the whole "OT" thing is gay as hell... 240sx topics only... this isn't a f*cking chat room..

i know some of you my get pissed but... but nothing i dont give a f*ck <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

"OT: LOLZ" - i want jokes i watch comic view
"OT: jus alot of drama for me" - i want drama i spend the day with my family
"OT: Whats Wrong With SCC" - who really cares
"OT: another new mag hit the stands" - did it have something on silvias? NO..
"OT: Red Hot Chili Peppers" - go watch mtv2
"OT: All I want for Xmas..." - tell santa, not me

not to mention all the ones that are about your lame topics being close

so if you dont like how s13girl is working it.. then leave.. go to freshalloy.com

Thank god im not a mod.. id be on a bannin spree

I know you guys dont see what the problems is but just try and understand ITS A 240sx FORUM which means... YOU TALK ABOUT 240sx!!!! IT DOESN'T MEAN BECAUSE YOU HAVE A 240sx YOU SHOULD COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT YOUR LIFE AND SOME SUCKING BAND!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
hahah TRUE TRUE

anyways, wats with all this bickering for? lets all juss cool our jets and sleep on it. we are a 240 community lets stay together and not fight. like people say "wat doesnt kill/hurt us, only makes us strong" so im pretty sure even after all this fighting and flaming, we will be back to normally, but HOPEFULLY better than before.

i agree with wat s13 girl was been doing, most off those topics listed above by Matic is stupid, and should be locked, and y get pissed and make more post?? all that is gonna happen is its gonna get locked again, and more ppl complaining. all i know is, if we keep up all this fighting and OT shit, its not gonna get better [DUH]


Cliff Note: stop with the OT shit, s13grl is doing Zilvia.net a favor

[SimpleS14]

Making another thread for newbies or Off-Topic would be a good idea, however bandwidth would be an issue. &nbsp; &nbsp;Is there anyway to limit the number of pages in each section? &nbsp;For example, notice how the chat section goes up to page 64.....maybe we can cut it to 32 to save space (if possible).

[matic 240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GT specR @ Aug. 29 2002,02:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For example, notice how the chat section goes up to page 64.....maybe we can cut it to 32 to save space (if possible).</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
good idea &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[drifting240sx]

if i rememberd when this program was created &nbsp;but dont qoute me but i thought that the mods wanted to keep the pages cuz so people could search on old shit.???.

[tnord]

my lord..........i go to the bar for 6 hours and look what happens. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/whatsthat.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':whatthe:'>

here's what i think needs to happen; i need to have ultimate control over everything (except for mark).

as far as i'm concerned, everybody but a certain few who know who they are can piss off.

[HippoSleek]

Wow - after seeing all the whiney posts this a.m. about Irena going on a killing spree, I was expecting to see more blood. &nbsp;While I many not always agree w/ Irena - I think she was justified in every lock I saw this a.m. &nbsp;I would have locked at least 15 more threads from the last 48 or so hours.

blah blah this place is great
blah blah nubes are a PITA
blah blah if you wanna fvckin off topic board, go to cLuBsI, yo

My vote on how to restrain nubes (and others) is to have a rating system a la Honda-Tech. &nbsp;There, you start off w/ 100%, but a list of elites can knock you down a peg and it shows in your rating. &nbsp;If your rating falls below a certain level, you may be suspended from posting for a while or even banned. &nbsp;With that system, if someone is regularly an ass, but a mod missed it, it can be dealt with. &nbsp;Also, it is a way to put someone on notice that their attitude isn't appreciated. &nbsp;I think that might be a nice deterrant around here where people think no one cares.

Honestly, this whole thing couldn't have come at a better time for me. &nbsp;I was strongly considering taking some time away from here b/c I'm so sick of all the BS. &nbsp;At the top of my list of "not again" are LexusRules (and the rest who think we need to be involved in every decision they make, right down to whether to wipe balls to back or back to balls first) and the goddam photoshop fiesta. &nbsp;I've even began to lose the will to flame b/c I just don't care. &nbsp;I'll give it another week before I decide whether to take a vacation. &nbsp;But I may come out flaming to see if we can drive some more people away.

Then again, we could all just give Travis the power... I wonder what it would have been like if Stalin had run a message board? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[JeffNJ]

I thought "chat" was the off-topic section, but I based this on the other posts that were here when I popped my head in again, and I guess I was wrong; apparently there's a huge divide between people who don't mind (perhaps downright appreciate?) frivilous crap and those without any tolerance for it whatsoever.

Suppose what I'm trying to say is, sorry I added to it.

I'll still come back though when I can afford a 240 and a convertible. &nbsp;Or, Japan makes me need to change my sig.

[ca18guy]

If it says "OT" next to it, don't click on it, problem solved.

[camppain]

only reason i came back is BECAUSE OF WHAT IRENA DID plain and simple and to show my support in her quest. that was needed. maybe we dont need a ot chat section itself but the amount of stuff not related to 240's is rediculous. a few every now aand then are ok but like hippo said there is way to many

and all the idots making topics about it is even more stupid showing how stupid they are. alot of the people on here want individual attention. like agw whatever the hell his name is making another one about what happened last night.

he wasted his time making a new topic when he coulda just replied in this one that was ghey just as ghey as his huge ass sig pic <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>