Clutch v. removed the damper, bleed, doesnt go into gear

[onehalfasia]

So i removed the damper and bleed the system, pedel doesn't have pressure till a few pumps, then it seems to be working normally but i tried going to 1st and 2nd gear and wouldnt go...didnt want to force and 3rd is the same but grinds, basically the slave cylinder seems to be moving the fork or whatever but the clutch seems to not be working. Also the shifter feels kinda notchy going left and right...makes a clicking sound.

[koukimonster139]

so in the midst of removing the the damper and shit, did you happen to replace the clutch and put it together wrong etcccc....??????

[kriptix]

So i removed the damper and bleed the system, pedel doesn't have pressure till a few pumps, then it seems to be working normally but i tried going to 1st and 2nd gear and wouldnt go...didnt want to force and 3rd is the same but grinds, basically the slave cylinder seems to be moving the fork or whatever but the clutch seems to not be working. Also the shifter feels kinda notchy going left and right...makes a clicking sound.

Sounds like you need a new clutch master. The shifter feels notchy because the clutch is not disengaging all the way.

[onehalfasia]

so in the midst of removing the the damper and shit, did you happen to replace the clutch and put it together wrong etcccc....?????? nah, haven't messed with the clutch, just removed the damper to make bleeding easier.

[onehalfasia]

Sounds like you need a new clutch master. The shifter feels notchy because the clutch is not disengaging all the way. possibly, theres the master cylinder from the rhd clip, maybe i can swap them?

[midnightouge]

this happend to me before, i had to remove the damper and put a straight line to the slave cylinder. keap on bleeding the brakes untill theres no more bubbles coming out and also adjust your clutch pedal

[!Zar!]

You need to bleed your clutch slave cylinder.

Unless you removed it because you were having clutch problems in the first place.

[onehalfasia]

I guess i'm not smart enough to figure out a clutch, it seems like the fork is being moved all the way by the slave cylinder part when the pedal is against the firewall, not sure...but either way when the cars idling it doesn't want to go into gear, is this cause its stuck engaged? Would that cause grinding, difficult to understand cause i think grinding when the clutch isn't engaged or something...

[skillzilla]

Adjust the clutch pedal, it may have came loose from the constant pumping from bleeding the brakes, or just need an adjustment overall.

[Jung918]

Try bleeding it again as it was already stated. If you push the pedal and it eventually builds up pressure, then it is more then likely air in the system. Which in turn means that the slave is probably not pressing the fork far enough to release the clutch. That is why you are grinding in every gear.

[onehalfasia]

Try bleeding it again as it was already stated. If you push the pedal and it eventually builds up pressure, then it is more then likely air in the system. Which in turn means that the slave is probably not pressing the fork far enough to release the clutch. That is why you are grinding in every gear.most likely, visually it seems like when the clutch pedals pressed it moves the fork as much as it would go, i'm not sure though, i'll bleed them a few more times. I'm gonna make a video clip of the slave cylinder/fork movement...should be uploaded in an hour. I adjusted the pedal and it has consistent pressure.

also a quick brake question, when i first press the brake pedal after turning the car off theres the sound of air being released(and no pressure from the pedel) by the brake master cylinder or booster...is that a vaccum leak? cant find where the air would be escaping from.

[Jung918]

Try this. With the car off, press the brakes acouple of times. It should build pressure. While holding the brake pedal, turn the car on. If the pedal goes down, the booster is working.

[onehalfasia]

Try this. With the car off, press the brakes acouple of times. It should build pressure. While holding the brake pedal, turn the car on. If the pedal goes down, the booster is working. i'll double check tomorrow, pretty sure the booster is alright, heres the video of the fork and slave cylinder.

http://s128.photobucket.com/albums/p170/onehalfasia/?action=view&current=fc7b16fe.flv

[Dream240]

i'll double check tomorrow, pretty sure the booster is alright, heres the video of the fork and slave cylinder.

http://s128.photobucket.com/albums/p170/onehalfasia/?action=view&current=fc7b16fe.flv

Great video. Question, does the shifter move from gear to gear with the car turned off? Then once you turn it on and it's idling it fails to go into gear, right?

If that's the case, you have a problem in the clutch bell housing area. Remove that dust boot that's covering the clutch fork. While someone presses the clutch pedal in and out, look to see iof the fork is in fact moving your throw out bearing. Could be that you had the pivot ball break, fork slip off the bearing, or worse yet you got some busted pressure plate teeth and the throw out bearing isn't able to do it's job.

This is definitely the key to your problem: Does the shifter move from gear to gear with the car turned off? Then once you turn it on and it's idling it fails to go into gear at all....

lmk and we'll go from there.

[onehalfasia]

Great video. Question, does the shifter move from gear to gear with the car turned off? Then once you turn it on and it's idling it fails to go into gear, right?

If that's the case, you have a problem in the clutch bell housing area. Remove that dust boot that's covering the clutch fork. While someone presses the clutch pedal in and out, look to see iof the fork is in fact moving your throw out bearing. Could be that you had the pivot ball break, fork slip off the bearing, or worse yet you got some busted pressure plate teeth and the throw out bearing isn't able to do it's job.

This is definitely the key to your problem: Does the shifter move from gear to gear with the car turned off? Then once you turn it on and it's idling it fails to go into gear at all....

lmk and we'll go from there. that is the situation, goes into gears when the cars off but when idling isn't able to go into gears at all, i'll remove the dust boot and check for what you've mentioned.

[Vision Garage]

try rolling your car a little bit. Or try starting the car in gear.

[onehalfasia]

try rolling your car a little bit. Or try starting the car in gear. could i cause potential harm without checking things first by starting in gear?

[Dream240]

If you start it in gear, with the clutch pedal depressed and the car lurches, then you've got a failed pressure plate.

That was going to be my next point anyways, you have either a failed pressure plate or somethings wrong with your throw out bearing set up in the bellhousing.

Time to pull the tranny.

[Grant]

I would check the clutch or the actual fork/throw out bearing again.. happened to my mazda ;)

[onehalfasia]

If you start it in gear, with the clutch pedal depressed and the car lurches, then you've got a failed pressure plate.

That was going to be my next point anyways, you have either a failed pressure plate or somethings wrong with your throw out bearing set up in the bellhousing.

Time to pull the tranny. damn, guess i should have checked before installing the motor, i'll inspect the fork and bearing with dust plate removed and update this evening.


thank you everyone for the help.

[Jung918]

Did this happen before you removed the dampener?

[onehalfasia]

Did this happen before you removed the dampener? probably, i bleed the system/removed the damper simultaneously.

[AznDrftr.]

I had the same problem. Come to find out that my T.O bearing came off. But check everything stated above.

Make sure theres no air in the slave cylinder etc.
Make sure your t.o bearing is on secured with the clamp
Make sure its lubed up to assure proper movement.

Just check and make sure everything is good from there.

[onehalfasia]

If you start it in gear, with the clutch pedal depressed and the car lurches, then you've got a failed pressure plate.

That was going to be my next point anyways, you have either a failed pressure plate or somethings wrong with your throw out bearing set up in the bellhousing.

Time to pull the tranny. well, the car lurched forward for a second when starting in gear, but seems to be operational at the moment :naughtyd: