S14 or GSR?

[speedfactor]

i am thinking of buying a integra gsr or a 240sx.
do u guyz know how much HP i can get from a turbo charged s14 with all hks modifications,without swaping engines?

Thank you for your response

[DragonReborn214]

How much money do you have, and how much will you have in the near future?

[240meowth]

if you are just looking for a street car, the gsr is an excellent choise, i believe it runs 175hp?  but on the other hand, the RWD of a 240 will give you better start in a race, and you don't get understeer.  also, you can do donut in a 240 not a teggy !

[s14vaxlr8]

i like the performance of the gsr, i actually almost bought one, but them i came home from texas and saw how many people had integras, they are like assholes(everybody has them) You wont go wrong with the 240

[sspikey]

my emphasis on honda is that theyre like tampons every pussy needs one.

[Takumi]

GS-R's obviously have a vast variety of parts that are available on the spot. However, the torque isn't that impressive, but the high end power is addictive. People may hype up "VTEC", but it lives up to the hype. The car feels as if it comes alive around 4-5k RPM. However, getting one only makes it that much more difficult to find in a parking lot. Everything on an Integra, tuning, looks, have all been done before. There's nothing new, there's no challenge in tuning that car. Plus, among thieves, it's a pretty easy target since Honda parts are in such a high demand. It's a great car, it has a decent suspension, plus you can swap parts off the Integra Type R to a GS-R. Then again....you'll just be like everyone else. The B18C1 block in the GS-R can only take so much. The engine takes a major beating when there's a huge increase in power. I'd say, the stock block can only handle up to 250-300 horsepower without blowing anything up. The weak point is the pistons. Even if you change those, the cylinder walls become a weak point. The Honda engines are nice and they've got tons of potential...but they're not ranked as some of the strongest engines to tune.

With the 240SX, it'll be slightly slower than a GS-R. There's a great potential, but parts aren't as common. However, most aspects of the car can be improved through a little research and reading up. Finding parts for the 240SX isn't like looking for the holy grail. Also, 240SX's aren't as common. It's more unique than just "another Honda". The car handles like it's on rails due to it's rear-wheel drive format, near perfect 50/50 weight ratio, and excellent factory suspension. As far as what to do with it, there are turbo kits as well as engine swaps, such as the SR20DET (2.0L twin-cam turbo). The stock KA24DE is an iron block that's quite strong. The only weak point are the pistons. That's it. Other than that, the motor can be built up pretty well and handle tons of power. There's even 300+ horsepower turbo 240SX's running around. Then you have the SR20DET. One of the best tuner engines ever. First off, they're obviously factory turbocharged. The factory internals in the engine are strong enough to handle high horsepower levels. Since it's a turbo engine, it's way easier to squeeze power out of them by either increasing the boost, adding an aftermarket intercooler, a few bolt-ons here and there.

Uh..that's it.

[speedemon]

How much money do you have, and how much will you have in the near future?

in about 6 months ill have about $6,000 to spend on the car.

thanks takumi on the all that info but i in california the sr20det will not pass the emissions test.
is there n e way i can get the car to run about mid 200hp - low 300?

[gsrcamel]

well I currently own a GSR and am going to sell it for a 240 and immidatly drop in the SR engine. but I got to admit I LOVE MY CAR and if it was a lil more rare I may keep it but then again the sport of drifting has cought my eyes and unless its rainy and wet and I have one hand on the E-break then I cannot experience the fabulous Drifo. But I think both cars are extremely impressive. Looks wize I think the american gsr vs the american 240sx the GSR takes the crown but the S15 front end looks better than almost any car I have ever seen.

Well to sum it all up

Takumi, 1 word to ya man, Brilliant!

[gsrcamel]

ok well if the Sr swap or Turbo KA is not an option then I would deff go with the GSR! just IMHO!

[speedemon]

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What is turbo KA?? sorry i dunt know shit

[Takumi]

Turbo KA = KA24(D)E [the stock engine in all 240SX's] equipped with a bolt-on turbo kit

To further elaborate with the engine codes.

KA24E: 89-90 240SX, single-cam
KA24DE: 91-98, dual-cam

The power difference between the two engines isn't that much. Well, not enough that it'll make a huge difference. However, more parts are available for the DOHC (dual-overhead-cam) engine.

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LOL!

I would like to thank zilvia.net, honda-tech.com, g2ic.com, Velocity Racing Team, Turbo Magazine, Option, Sport Compact Car, Tuning Concept (the very first magazine I've ever read cuz it was free), Shigeno Shuichi for creating Initial D, and some of my friends for slapping me upside the head so I'll learn real car stuff besides body kits and rims a few years back. Believe me, months ago when I first got here, I didn't know much. I only knew what S13's, S14's, S15's, and 180SX's were. I was aware of SR20DET's and what can be done to them by just reading the Velocity Racing Team board. I didn't really know much about the KA until I read up this board and read various articles from Turbo Magazine and stuff on the 'net. Plus I have way too much time in my hands. So don't feel bad if you don't know anything when you get here. After a while, you'll pick up on a lot.

[vancouvers14]

here's my beef:
everyone and their mama saw tfatf, and now every honda owner wants a sr-powered 240.

you cant do anything with 6K. &nbsp;thats a stock sr. &nbsp;300hp is not gonna happen for 6K.
as for hks modifications, no more reading stupid street for you....

[Takumi]

About an ALL HKS or at least MOSTLY HKS turbo setup, ask West (the webmaster) what his car dyno'd. Check out the main pages' rides and look at Mark West's old S14.

Besides, I'm only pissed about Super Street stealing drifting articles from the Velocity Racing Team page, gave them credit, but never asked for their permission to use their content. Fucking plagerizing, JDM-geeking, riceboy magazine. Speaking of &quot;JDM&quot;, they whore that fucking term ALL the time! It makes me sick. Everyone and their moms now say &quot;JDM&quot; in front of everything to make it sound cool.

&quot;HUR HUR HUR, I HAVE A JDM CELL PHONE HOLDER IN MY CAR AND JDM STICKARZ! I AM SO KEWL.&quot;

(Edited by Takumi at 10:24 am on Jan. 23, 2002)


(Edited by Takumi at 10:24 am on Jan. 23, 2002)

Takumi: you are 100% correct. super street just purely sucks ass, jdm this and jdm that. i remember reading an article back in the day about the ka motor and they said that it has no potential at all and that the hondas are a better buy for performance. my ass, they can take that statement and shove it up there [email protected]@. as for the topic, go with the 240, be unique and dont be one of those honda power lovers who think they have the fastest car on the road.,

[MyFirst240SX]

Super Street is a buisness. &nbsp;They sell advretisments and everynow and then they have a artical. &nbsp;If everyone wanted to be unique they wouldn't make as much money on advertisments. &nbsp;So i dont blame them for making money=) i know i would

[Takumi]

Super Street did fine back in the day. They weren't that biased. Nowadays, there's OTHER magazines out there to compete with, so they'll have to stand out someway with their &quot;JDM approved&quot; whoring.

What sorta made me mad was their comment about the &quot;Fujiwara Tofu Shop&quot; sticker on Steve Nakamura's Panda Trueno AE86. They said it was &quot;tacky&quot; and had no idea it came from Initial D! HOW DARE THEM! Anyway, it's not as bad as Imporn Tuner where they had no fucking clue what &quot;strawberry face&quot; meant (ichi = 1 go = 5, ichigo = 15, which also means &quot;strawberry). ARGH..these morons need to do their research. Dammit, if I lived in So Cal or something I can write a &quot;good&quot; article for them. Hmmm.....whatever. Ah well, I don't have any creditials in publishing or writing even though my English and proof-reading is pretty good.

(Edited by Takumi at 5:28 pm on Jan. 23, 2002)

S14 all the way dude. &nbsp;Integras are wayyyy too common.. If I was going to get a honda.. I'd probably get a del sol due to the fact that they aren't as rare. &nbsp;as for the GSR vs. S14

GSR = very common, front wheel drive, little torque
S14 = less common, rear wheel drive, more torque

[Takumi]

Yea..but as I've been old, &quot;torque doesn't win races&quot;, but I forgot the reason why. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> The GS-R has nice top end to make up for it's short comings on the low end. However, no matter how much you tune that car, it'll always have a much higher top end than lower end. That gap between the torque level and horsepower will always be there. Improving top end power is much easier than trying to improve low end power. The only way to dramatically increase the low end with a Honda engine is to...ugh...stroke the engine .2 liters more or so with a stroker kit. Even THAT'S expensive, unconventional, and unreliable at times. Like I said, if you get one, you'll just be another 'teg on the street. At least with the 240SX, at least with the stock KA, the low end is great, but the top end sucks. However....that's just an opportunity to make the top end even better so you'll have a more consistant power band.

If you're not gonna do much to tune the car since the car's fast enough as is and you don't care if you're just adding to the existing crowd of Hondas, get a GS-R. If you want something to work with that'll have more horsepower potential without much internal engine work and great handling, get a 240SX. It's up to you man.

[Vspec]

Yeah, I guess it all comes down to high deep are your pockets and far are you willing to go.

But with the torque deal, just watch speedvision and watch the touring races. &nbsp;Yes, the Integra(and the Civic!)can hang with the best of them, but right after the turns and on to the straights, torque really helps. That's usually were the teg gets its ass kicked by the bimmers.
But I used be an integra owner, so I still cheer for them.

[mrfly]

It would be a tough decision between the two cars. Being an avid Honda enthusiast for the longest time.(Honestly I would get a 5th gen. Prelude w/the H22 before any integra. I have driven both, and the Prelude wins for my vote.) That would probably be out of your price range for right now however, as it unfortunately is for me. I just got my '90 240 about a month ago. I liked it, but at the time I really only knew that I was getting a car that would be reliable with moderate power. Now that I have done more research I am more than happy that I went in the direction of a 240. (note: it is best to do research first, don't be as dumb as I usually am) Anyway, the two are both great cars. Stock, the GSR has more power, but once you start dumping some nice green into your car, the KA (or SR if you can afford such) are great engines, and respond nicely to mods. Don't worry about not finding parts for the 240 either. If you look around enough, and watch these forums you will find the parts, any part you need, and usually at great prices.

[jay]

My freind is selling his SiR powered civic hatchback for an S14 if that gives you any motivation...