E-Manage or the Ultimate

[flytwa78]

Hey guys. I have a question which is more of a matter of opinion.
After I complete my SR swap, I want to get about 400WHP out of it. I want to run with the E-Manage and was wondering which of the two you would choose. I use my car of autocross, drifting, and many times for daily driving. What do you guys suggest?


Thanks.

[Dousan_PG]

neither
get a haltech
or a pfc if u need easier tuning
or a fcon

i wouldnt touch an emanage. junk, imo.

[turbo2nr]

neither
get a haltech
or a pfc if u need easier tuning
or a fcon

i wouldnt touch an emanage. junk, imo.


not quite. emanage ultimat is good in the hands of a good tuner. its beates the price of haltech and other stand alone and does almost the same, yes you use the factory ecu but takes full controll of timing and pulse width. you can trim pulse width accordingly, also the emu allows you to controll 8 injectors in total which means you can set up for meth/ach injection, not to mention converting to a full speed density setup. along with all the rest you can elimiate speed cut and move your rev limiter. you can wire in the profec b and control for boost levels via emanage, also you can data log your wideband into the emu and use that to shoot for a target a/f ratio and then fine tune form there. not to mention control of coolent temp and fan control ect.

the emanage ultimate is very capiable for the price us ka-t guys hit great number on low boost. and its not rocket science to tune it, if you know the basics you can get the car up and running.

not sayin the emanage ultimate is the best but for the price its pretty hard to beat.

[sr20boostn20]

^ ill agree with Dousan, if anything the ultimate would be better, but both are garbage piggybacks. im running a pfc and it works great.

[Wahl 136]

If you can't afford a Power FC and are set on getting E-manage the Ultimate is a no brainer over the standard e-manage. But like Dousan said it is definatly inferior to the EMS listed.

[steve shadows]

neither
get a haltech
or a pfc if u need easier tuning
or a fcon

i wouldnt touch an emanage. junk, imo.


dittttttto :stupid:



not sayin the emanage ultimate is the best but for the price its pretty hard to beat.

KA-T guys I could see the point. but here is the void.

there are rom-tune people and people who want to tune themselves.

I cant legitimize destroying a perfectly good Nissan wiring harness to hack the fuck up a piggy back unit that costs as much as a power fc
off Ebay...

even if i got a steal on it, its just more riceboy bullshit.

Get a decent EMS and learn how to tune or get a good ROM tune and learn how to drive.

do it right wear a condom and pull out.

[azndoc]

IMHO piggyback systems aren't that good.

Standalone is where it's at.

Plus I've never like Greddy electronics to begin with. Just spend the money right the first time.

GL

[johngriff]

Ultimate if you HAVE to have a Emanage, because you can set fuel independant of the timing. If you are really smart you can build a full fuel map off of it, and cut out the factory ecu completely. The map sensor function is a huge pile of crap, so dont count on that, just get an N62/J60.

Interface is better than the AEM software. Install is a royal pain, if you dont know what you are doing, you WILL fuck it up. Haltech Flying leed is an easier install.

Its "king of the piggybacks", but thats not really an accomplishment.

[turbo2nr]

dittttttto :stupid:



KA-T guys I could see the point. but here is the void.

there are rom-tune people and people who want to tune themselves.

I cant legitimize destroying a perfectly good Nissan wiring harness to hack the fuck up a piggy back unit that costs as much as a power fc
off Ebay...

even if i got a steal on it, its just more riceboy bullshit.

Get a decent EMS and learn how to tune or get a good ROM tune and learn how to drive.

do it right wear a condom and pull out.

well not to nit pick here but rom tunning and the emanage is in a sence the same you are altering the stock program to better suit your needs. both are done and with rom tunning and piggyback/stand alone you have to know how tune your self unless your some rich kid that mommy and daddy pays for everything but then if that was the case they wouldnt post on zilvia. as for the wireing harness they are many places that do a plug and play harness where no cutting is required. and if you can tune a ecu i would hope you know how to read a wireing diagram. rom tuning you can only go so far and then ppl using obd2 cant benifit form that b/c you cannot flash a obd ka ecu its just that gay. as for the price of emu its 600 with the harness you splice into the car. if you pay more you are getting jerked. possibly circled jerked....

alot of people know know the basics to tuning or how to attempt to make a timing map or fuel map sh*t most ppl dont know the diffrence between lean and rich.. much less know what detination is.....

once again emanage is not all mighty i would love to have 1500 to spen on a aem ems but i dont untill some one releases a power fc for the ka im stuck..

as for the map sensor b.s i talked to greddy tech and in the new update for the emanage ultimate it allows you to go full map sensor so no more maf. that will make it alot easiter to pinpoint when to pull timing on your ignition map.

all im saying is dont knock it unless your tried it..

[johngriff]

I have tried it.

I love greddy, but there techs' are.... well ok. You can already convert to a map sensor since like, last year. The map conversion is a pile of shit. Basically, you are mapping the V values output by the map sensor relative to the Airflow meter.

But, the emanage does not posses a logic system to interpolate air temp against the map reading and create a real load. So no, it isnt a real map sensor system, its junk and should be stayed FAR away from. Just stick with a large AFM, if you need more than 500hp than hopefully you will need more than 16x16 resolution.

ROM Burning is NOT the same as using a piggy back. Not by a long shot. With a rom tune you are Setting your OWN base values for the AFM and VE/RPM, you are not "requesting" changes like a piggy back does. So you cant group the Emanage and a ROM tune into the same category.

If you are going to drop that kind of dime on an AEM you'd just be burning your money up. Haltech,TecIII,Microtech, and motech dump all over the AEM.

[slider2828]

I dunno, I guess I should put my two cents into the pile. I have been runnng the blue emanage and although the ultimate is nice, it has not really been perfected for certain cars like the Supra Turbo 1997. I also don't like the fact that the emanage ultimate has no interface with the Profec-E01, which is the ultimate disadvantage.

I have been running an SR with a GT2871R .86 with 600cc injectors and have no problems with anything. Obviously Z32 MAF changes and everything and it is a sweet unit. I mean anything over 600cc I would probably go for a standalone for sure, but otherwise an emanage is perfectly fine. I got both the E01 and the Emanage Blue for about 600 bux. I don't think a PFC with a boost controller can beat that price nor can it do the same thing. The ultimate advantage is hooking the E01 up to the emanage, but other than that I would probably go with a PFC.

In the end, i depends, I would recommend the emanage with anyone that wants to put down less than 450 hp, remember the emanage can only scale 150% about stock, so 660cc injectors are max on that. And 660cc's is probably only safe till about 450-500hp pending if you really know how to tune. Secondly, I don't need to splice up my harness because I have taps and butts, so no worries about converting back and using a standalone later. It is true that the MAP sensor is literally junk on the emanage, so I wouldn't even bother with that. But people have to remember that since you are piggybacking the ecu, it has built into safety like measuring engine knock among other things.

I have also tuned on other systems like PFC, Haltech, and FCON's and each system has their obvious advantage, but bang for the buck, the emanage with E01 can't be beat hands down. I haven't messed with tying the ProfecB to the Ultimate, but that sounds pretty cool too. I just like having a base map and fine tune with the E01, that is like the best and literally on the fly map different fuels as well right on the screen. No system can do that.

[G-spec]

I'm not diving head first into this debate...just wondered about the rev-limit function mentioned earlier...it can only lower the rev limit and NOT raise it above the factory ecu's limiter correct?


i will throw this in though....: I <3 my D-Jetro PFC! lol

[turbo2nr]

yes you can raise the rev limiter to what you desire. most ka-t guys take it to about 7500...

[michaelides123]

I dunno, I guess I should put my two cents into the pile. I have been runnng the blue emanage and although the ultimate is nice, it has not really been perfected for certain cars like the Supra Turbo 1997. I also don't like the fact that the emanage ultimate has no interface with the Profec-E01, which is the ultimate disadvantage.

I have been running an SR with a GT2871R .86 with 600cc injectors and have no problems with anything. Obviously Z32 MAF changes and everything and it is a sweet unit. I mean anything over 600cc I would probably go for a standalone for sure, but otherwise an emanage is perfectly fine. I got both the E01 and the Emanage Blue for about 600 bux. I don't think a PFC with a boost controller can beat that price nor can it do the same thing. The ultimate advantage is hooking the E01 up to the emanage, but other than that I would probably go with a PFC.

In the end, i depends, I would recommend the emanage with anyone that wants to put down less than 450 hp, remember the emanage can only scale 150% about stock, so 660cc injectors are max on that. And 660cc's is probably only safe till about 450-500hp pending if you really know how to tune. Secondly, I don't need to splice up my harness because I have taps and butts, so no worries about converting back and using a standalone later. It is true that the MAP sensor is literally junk on the emanage, so I wouldn't even bother with that. But people have to remember that since you are piggybacking the ecu, it has built into safety like measuring engine knock among other things.

I have also tuned on other systems like PFC, Haltech, and FCON's and each system has their obvious advantage, but bang for the buck, the emanage with E01 can't be beat hands down. I haven't messed with tying the ProfecB to the Ultimate, but that sounds pretty cool too. I just like having a base map and fine tune with the E01, that is like the best and literally on the fly map different fuels as well right on the screen. No system can do that.


Hi,

Can you tune Fcon?

Chris.

[nismo tuned s14]

You can't run injectors large enough to get 400hp with the e-manage. I think the max you can run is 440cc.

So the ultimate would be your best option.

[CmR333]

i talked to a few tuners around here about the emanage blue and e01 i bought for my sr. they all said that for the numbers i was looking for (350-400) that for daily driving and track time that the blue and the e01 would be the best bang for the buck. i got them both for 450 and spent 75$ on a plug and play harness so no wire slicing.

[olah.inc]

buy the most expensive stuff

cause you have to get respect from the guys here

you buy parts that you dont need, from money you dont have, to impress people you dont even know!

[slider2828]

Sorry I don't tune FCons... Any more.... nor other systems... cause I don't have a dyno readily available for me and street tuning on those are impossible.... Oh wellz....

Ask steveshadows if in socal or go to speed element if in norcal....

[slider2828]

You can't run injectors large enough to get 400hp with the e-manage. I think the max you can run is 440cc.

So the ultimate would be your best option.

What are you talking about man.... I run 600cc with my emanage blue... come on...

[S13 curtis]

What are you talking about man.... I run 600cc with my emanage blue... come on...
+1 i have an e-manage blue and also my friend is running nismo 740cc injectors on E85 with his E- Manage blue he is pushing around 340whp on 14 psi (2871r) .64. if you dont belive me i can pull him up on Ka-T.org and he is using the map sensor.

[slider2828]

I think the emanage for a midrange ecu is not bad at all especially if you want to learn how to tune. THere is a bunch of stuff you can mess around with. But on higher HP motors, I would run something more like a PFC or something... this is coming from experience.

[WA_Sileighty]

running 740s on my ultimate, works pretty well. Also a 2871, had to keep the boost lowish for the tune becuase of spiking issues, but thats my problem for using the stock wastegate rather than the hks one (i since have picked up but am yet to install). I agree with doing a PFC or something more with higher hp numbers, but plan on keeping my ultimate after cams and a retune, does all that i need it to at the moment

[slider2828]

Really? I run the stock 2871R with stock wastegate with rarely any spiking.... maybe 1 psi tops if that on 17psi....

[nismo tuned s14]

http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/172926-ease-tuning.html

I posted this back in the day.

I called GReddy, and they told me that the largest injectors I could run on my KA-T setup were 440cc.

But, if people are running larger injectors, I can't argue.

[slider2828]

Well its about 150% of stock. KA and and SR's have different stock injectors... hence bigger injectors can be used on the SR

[S13 curtis]

this is my friend using an E-Manage blue with a 2871r Ka-T stock bottom end.

http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=303647&highlight=#303647

[nismo tuned s14]

Yeah, SRs come with 370cc, correct?

That's good to know that he is running 740cc. I really didn't feel like ripping out my whole setup just to run larger injectors lol.

[slider2828]

I am just merely saying with bigger base injectors, when you scale the overall injectors are larger..... 740cc on idle it won't scale correctly that is all. Idle will be a little rough. Wow 20* Timing that is a lot, I would retard it.... but hey that is me....

[S13 curtis]

I am just merely saying with bigger base injectors, when you scale the overall injectors are larger..... 740cc on idle it won't scale correctly that is all. Idle will be a little rough. Wow 20* Timing that is a lot, I would retard it.... but hey that is me....
the only reason he can run 20 degree's of timimg is because of the E-85, he gets no detonation,i rode in his car the other day shits quick, you can't even feel when the turbo spools it jus feels like its straight powerband, kinda like an N/A car. went sideways from a 2nd gear roll.
his car idles fine, on thw wide band its at like 14. something at idle and like 11.4-7 at WOT