Female Airman (Air Force) Punished for Threesome

[qwikspool]

Female Airman Punished for Threesome
Stars and Stripes | By Scott Schonauer | May 23, 2007
SPANGDAHLEM AIR BASE, Germany — A Spangdahlem-based airman was sentenced Monday to four months confinement for her part in a sexual act with two other airmen.

Airman 1st Class Ashley N. Rains pleaded guilty at a court-martial to two indecent acts charges.
She had faced rape and sodomy charges but admitted to the lesser charges as part of a plea deal.
Judge (Col.) Gordon Hammock also sentenced Rains, 22, an aircrew life support specialist with the 22nd Fighter Squadron, to reduction to the lowest pay grade.
She faced a maximum sentence that included as many as 10 years in a military prison, but Air Force prosecutors argued for a lighter sentence of two years.
The alcohol-induced menage a trois on Sept. 24 in Bitburg included a male airman and a female staff sergeant.
But both prosecution and defense lawyers debated whether it was consensual among the three.
Rains and Airman Christopher D. Hicks are the only airmen charged in the incident because the Air Force lawyers said the staff sergeant was too drunk to give consent.
Air Force prosecutor Capt. Mike Felsen said the staff sergeant “appeared drunk” and slipped “in and out of consciousness” while Rains and Hicks performed sexual acts with her.
Felsen argued the staff sergeant, who did not testify during the trial, was vulnerable and Rains and Hicks took advantage of her.
But Rains’ defense attorney, Capt. Matthew King, called the incident a situation involving three consenting adults with “various degrees of intoxication.”
King argued that Rains shouldn’t go to jail for what amounts to a drunken threesome.
“Does she really have to go to jail for this?” he asked.
The Air Force had charged Rains with rape and sodomy, but prosecutors could not prove the more serious charges, King added, therefore, the question of consent isn’t relevant in Rains’ case.
Rains said she was embarrassed by the episode.
“I’ve learned from this mistake,” she said during a statement she read at the trial.
Hicks faces more serious charges.
The airman, who is assigned to the 52nd Civil Engineer Squadron, has been charged with rape and sodomy and will face a court-martial at Spangdahlem Air Base on May 30.

[liv2drift045]

the government is fucking smokin crack... put them in jail... come on now... just kick em the hell out if u dont like what they're doing... jeez i cant wait to get outta the damn military

[Jung918]

why the f uck is a staff sergeant drinking with airmen? That is some stupid shit in the air force.
I know it isn't the first time that staff sergeant is drinking. Hence she should know her drinking tolerence. Therefore maybe the dumb bitch shouldn't drink so much she looses control of her ability to make decisions. .

[qwikspool]

i agree^^^just kick them out. why go bust them down to the lowest rank. but they did give airman rain the boot. ten years in the brig is the worst i have seen for this type of charges in the military.

[PhilthyS13]

I'm confused as to how a female could sodomize another female. That doesn't make sense.

Think about it: a wookie on Endor...it just doesn't make sense.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j143/PhilthyPhilanthropist/chewbacca.jpg

[exitspeed]

I used to live there. That's really all I have to add.

[SDS13COUPE]

I'm confused as to how a female could sodomize another female. That doesn't make sense.

Think about it: a wookie on Endor...it just doesn't make sense.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j143/PhilthyPhilanthropist/chewbacca.jpg


LOL.
I think it's some stupid shit to get locked up over. They are grown adults and they have to live with their decisions. Intoxicated or not. Military=:loco:

[wootwoot]

Look what Germany does to people....Terrible.

[zackt69]

they shouldn't punish her for this kind of behavior... she should be getting a medal, or a parade or something-

[mRclARK1]

When you're in the military; you're subject to military law. It's more strict, and is much harder, then regular civil law. I don't think they shoud be kicked out, that would probably make them happy. Reduce them in rank, give them some light time, and when they all come to the end of there respective tours... send them packing without any entitled benefits and call it a day.

[Matej]

Americans can't handle Germany! Haha.

[liv2drift045]

When you're in the military; you're subject to military law. It's more strict, and is much harder, then regular civil law. I don't think they shoud be kicked out, that would probably make them happy. Reduce them in rank, give them some light time, and when they all come to the end of there respective tours... send them packing without any entitled benefits and call it a day.

This is true and rules are rules. It still doesn't make any sense though. Have you read the UCMJ.. that damn thing is just as bad a OLD State laws that never get changed. While they are guilty, I wouldn't go as far as to say it would make them happy to get kicked out, maybe it would, maybe it woudln't. It was just a piss poor decision, but prison time thats fuckin weak. They're basically just out to make an example out of them.

[azndoc]

Damn I knew I should've joined the Air Force.

Always pissed me off that there was more females guarding the AF base than we had on our whole entire Marine Corp base.

They should just kick them out. But I think it's more along the lines of a dog and pony show trying to make an example out of them.

Sodomy means two things.
1.anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex. 2.copulation with a member of the same sex.
So that's what she's being charged for.

[steve shadows]

Look what Germany does to people....Terrible.

fcking spectacular imo, wish they had a base in odessa, id join tomarrow

[s13gold]

how embarrassing for all who were involved...


all 3 hehehehe.

[mRclARK1]

This is true and rules are rules. It still doesn't make any sense though. Have you read the UCMJ.. that damn thing is just as bad a OLD State laws that never get changed. While they are guilty, I wouldn't go as far as to say it would make them happy to get kicked out, maybe it would, maybe it woudln't. It was just a piss poor decision, but prison time thats fuckin weak. They're basically just out to make an example out of them.

I've looked over some of it just outta interests sake, but I've never read it throughly (the UCMJ). I agree with you, some of it is old, and needs to be changed and updated. I just think military members should realize that they are subject to higher standards then civilians, and that means certain behaviors may be punished much more harshly, or be subject to punishment when they aren't offences for a civilian at all. I still stand by what I said, and by light time I literally meant light... maybe a few weeks in the brig, rank reduction, and they forfeit benefits (or some at least) on discharge. I also agree they may be trying to make an example of them, which isn't right either.

Essentially they didn't do anything wrong (from what we know I guess) by civil law standards... military ones are higher and they broke those.

[cdlong]

Essentially they didn't do anything wrong (from what we know I guess) by civil law standards... military ones are higher and they broke those.

having sex with a drunk person is rape, even in civilian law. they have to be able to give consent, not just say no.

for the women, this could also fall under the don't ask, don't tell rule, depending on what they did.

[mRclARK1]

^^^From what I gather all three were heavily drunk, and that would change the situation.

[ls180sx]

http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/images/smilies/co4x4/worthless.gif

[cdlong]

it only said the staff sergeant was too drunk to give consent and that there were varying degrees of intoxication. they were probably all drunk but only the SSgt was wasted. and why isn't the harsher charges on the male airmen the focus of the story?

somebody said something about staff sergeants hanging out with airmen, SSgt is only one step about senior airmen. she might have been recently promoted so it's not much of a stretch.

does it annoy anyone else when they put a period after Capt and Col? just me? ok, nevermind.

[Jung918]

In the marine corps ssgt is an E-6. Airmen sounded like one of the lower ranks. It's been a while since I was on lackland. In the Corps the lower ranks hang out with each other, then there is the group of NCO's ,and SNCOs. I'm not retarded as to think the lower ranks didn't hand out with the higher ranks. However, fraternization is fraternization.

Why should the focus of the story be on the male airmen? Is it because he is a male and should take more responsibility? Last time I checked, females wanted equal rights so they should take responsibility also. It's annoying to see males always getting dicked over because of the typical male stereotype. If they want to play, then they should follow the same rules. I have seen a Marine accused of rape in my own command. The charges were dropped. Everyone knew the bitch was lying because she wanted out of the command. I have also seen on several occasions where females were treated better because the higher ups wanted to get in their pants. It’s ridiculous to see this. Master Gunnery Sergeants treating a female Lance Corporal better then male Lance Corporals.

Working at the Brig I have seen a fair share of messed up situations, but this situation just tops them all. However, not knowing the whole story and getting second hand doesn’t help either.

[Matej]

and why isn't the harsher charges on the male airmen the focus of the story?
That's what struck me. Apparently focusing on the female airman makes for a more juicy story, even if her punishment is lesser.
In my opinion, if they're getting punished, all three of them should be punished equally, it doesn't matter how drunk each one of them was, it's your own fault when you don't know when to stop.
This reminds me of a story that was on the news a few months ago. A guy met a girl at a club that was for people 21 and up. They had a few drinks, and ended up having sex that night. It turns out the girl was 16, her dad found out, and now the guy is in jail for 15 years. The girl even admitted she lied about her age and told the guy she was 21, and she's the one who asked the guy to have sex with her.

[fromxtor]

I want to know why a NCO was too drunk to stop what was happening, I think she should get the brunt of it. But it's easier to just kick an Airman out. Sounds like the Non Commissioned officer should have known better than to get that drunk, thats setting a super bad example.

[Jung918]

That is how screwed up our law system is. There are rights to protect women from men but not the other way around. Rain's took a plea bargin and it sounds like Hicks is going to go through with the trial.

[fromxtor]

you know if that were 2 Captains and a Major the Major would be screwed royally.

[mRclARK1]

I want to know why a NCO was too drunk to stop what was happening, I think she should get the brunt of it. But it's easier to just kick an Airman out. Sounds like the Non Commissioned officer should have known better than to get that drunk, thats setting a super bad example.

I was thinking the same thing, as an NCO she has more responsibility, and should be judged harsher for her actions. But like you said... it's easier to just kick an Airman out then go after an NCO.

[staygold24]

seriously... we need pics of this beeyatch.

[Jung918]

I found her on-line and sent a e-mail but I'm guessing she wont get it since she is probally in the brig.

[SimpleS14]

I'm curious to know how this came to the attention of the attorneys. Was this on base or while on duty? would the case be different if they were off duty?

seriously... we need pics of this beeyatch.


lol...I was wondering the same thing and hoping see is hot or doable :D

[liv2drift045]

I was thinking the same thing, as an NCO she has more responsibility, and should be judged harsher for her actions. But like you said... it's easier to just kick an Airman out then go after an NCO.

Yea they do that w/ alot of things. Even w/ drugs. The Commanding Officer has the final say and can let a person stay in, this happens sometimes if they are above a certain paygrade (of course they're still gonna be punished-how severe, up to him/maybe the court martial) but usually e3 and below just get booted w/ no jail time.

Also what I don't like is since I've been in the navy I've seen so many e7 and above get away w/ highway robbery that its ridiculous. Usually the e6 and below get the worst of the worst

[mRclARK1]

^^^That's unfortunately true at times. I actually knew a guy who got booted, and IMO he really didn't deserve it, and some higher pay grades who were involved only got a slap on the wrist. I felt really bad for the guy, he was just in and really happy with, and proud of himself, made a stupid mistake trying to adjust and settle in and it cost him. :-/

[fromxtor]

Oh yea theres probably no way to get in touch w/ her.

[cdlong]

In the marine corps ssgt is an E-6. Airmen sounded like one of the lower ranks. It's been a while since I was on lackland. In the Corps the lower ranks hang out with each other, then there is the group of NCO's ,and SNCOs. I'm not retarded as to think the lower ranks didn't hand out with the higher ranks. However, fraternization is fraternization.

Why should the focus of the story be on the male airmen? Is it because he is a male and should take more responsibility? Last time I checked, females wanted equal rights so they should take responsibility also. It's annoying to see males always getting dicked over because of the typical male stereotype. If they want to play, then they should follow the same rules. I have seen a Marine accused of rape in my own command. The charges were dropped. Everyone knew the bitch was lying because she wanted out of the command. I have also seen on several occasions where females were treated better because the higher ups wanted to get in their pants. It’s ridiculous to see this. Master Gunnery Sergeants treating a female Lance Corporal better then male Lance Corporals.

Working at the Brig I have seen a fair share of messed up situations, but this situation just tops them all. However, not knowing the whole story and getting second hand doesn’t help either.

i figured as much, it's a bit confusing that a staff is an E-5 in the AF and an E-6 elsewhere (army too). an E-4 is a high level airmen while an E-5 is a young NCO. is i just wanted to clear it up. and technically an airmen is an E-2 but it also applies to E-1 to E-4 (but you can call every AF member an airmen, like soldier, sailor, or marine).

i only mentioned that the story should be about the guy because the charges are more severe. it should have been about him, but the story is "juicer" this way.