Average Joe's build thread

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Ok boys and girls, I decided to start a build thread because the discussion thead on this topic is stupid long.
What I'm starting out with is my 1992 Nissan 240SX SE Super Hicas.
Since Hicas blows I changed out the subframe and put some plugs in the rear distribution block to nix that. At the same time I swapped that I did RSR bushings, 5 lug, S14 FLCA's and uprights as well as Z32 Front brakes
drilled and slotted rotors, braided lines, ABS delete and Z32 M/c upgrade. When I did all of this I got some Motegi Touge's (which are now for sale) to complete the 5 lug swap. I've been rolling on blown KYB's with Eibach Sportlines for some time now and it sucks. But now that I have FN01R-C's with a 235 245 stagger my car still outhandles most. Here are some pics of it from the past few weeks:
http://a996.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/5/l_79a2923c15a5f482101e8856e3a958eb.jpg
http://a67.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/36/l_32070fd68739656004e2919116c98cc2.jpg
Anyways enough about that. Time for the real meat and potatoes. As most of you know I started a project I dubbed "Legal JDM" about getting SR's completely legit in 240's. Well since it has gained so much interest we finally got our own clip to build as our test engine.
So, here goes the build! This is also on my website for those without the blessing of Zilvia.
Clip Trip
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/01A5C022-E647-4709-BD32-78BF546599AE_files/P5100003.jpg
Man, what a long day that was. Woke up at 4am, picked up the trailer at the shop and hit the road. I drove into the sunrise and managed to stay awake but the long strait path of Highway 5 was soon getting to me. I managed to make it all the way to Kettleman City, where I absolutely had to stop. I filled up the tank, got a snickers and a sugar free Redbull and got my laptop set up so I could listen to music (since the truck has no face plate on the radio).
From Kettleman City I continued South. Up over the Grapevine and into L.A. I must have timed it just right because the traffic wasn’t bad at all. I saw a couple nice 240’s driving past but couldn’t snap any pictures of them. I made it to R&D Factory at about 10:45 (jeez that was a quick trip) and met Edward. He was really friendly and really nice. He showed me around their shop a little and hooked me up with a beat up looking Kouki 180SX clip. It wasn’t much to look at, but the engine looked pretty nice. I had them do a compression and leakdown test and everything looked pretty good. The oil pan had a hole in it from their forklift so they gave me another and also some other pieces to fix broken ones. I was happy so I told them to load it up.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/01A5C022-E647-4709-BD32-78BF546599AE_files/P5090011.jpg
From there I jumped on the 60 east and headed toward Roland Heights where I met James. (a supporter of LegalJDM since the beginning) We had some awesome Japanese food at Diamond Plaza, and he showed me the SR swap in his S14.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/01A5C022-E647-4709-BD32-78BF546599AE_files/P5090010.jpg
Up next was West Covina Nissan where Justin hooked me up with some Nismo motor and tranny mounts. West Covina Nissan is brand new and has probably the nicest cleanest workbays and awesome showroom and parts department. They have all kinda of Nismo stuff on the walls and their garage was full of super nice 350Z’s and even a R32 Skyline.
From there I was off to Adelanto to pick up some scooters and then home, overall it was a 940 mile, 21 hour trip

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Day 1
Friday May 11th, 2007
Today I got the 180 clip inside the shop and made myself a little workspace inside our engine dyno room where I could keep everything organized and out of the way. I took a bunch of pictures so I would know where everything goes and started by removing the one remaining fender and front bumper, then the wiring harness, labeling all the connectors as I went so I wouldn’t get confused later on. When I got the harness disconnected I started removing the accessories. First to go was the ABS unit, then the Air Injection Valve (Which I am going to reuse later), power steering, and A/C pump. I called it a day early so I could go hang out with the guys.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/2050C66A-601E-45A1-9800-F34662FCCA47_files/P5110017.jpg
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/2050C66A-601E-45A1-9800-F34662FCCA47_files/P5110037.jpg
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/2050C66A-601E-45A1-9800-F34662FCCA47_files/P5110040.jpg
Here you can see the labels I put on all the connectors.

[bardabe]

Holy crap, good luck man.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Day 2
Satuday May 12, 2007
I started out today by removing the steering wheels (see popped airbag) and taking the dash out of the clip. The fire wall was pretty messed up from the front end accident the clip was in, but I managed to get everything out I needed without to much of a hassle. The engine harness came out nicely and I took out of all the digital climate control pieces I need to swap those into my hatch.
Next I pulled the motor. It came out really easy, however I forgot to remove the transmission cross member and ended up tearing the bushing completely in half. Oh well I have a Nismo one to go there. While I had the engine up in the air I decided to take off the clutch and transmission. The tranny must have never been removed, because it was ridiculously hard to seperate from the engine. However when I finally got them apart I was disappointed to see a stock clutch and flywheel. Even more disappointed when I pulled off the pressure plate and clutch disk to see a very glazed flywheel. Oh, well I guess something aftermarket is needed. Next I put the engine engine stand taped up the turbo inlets and outlets as well as the throttle body and called it a day.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/40EB0E06-470C-4C81-A616-72BA982B39A0_files/P5120070.jpg
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/40EB0E06-470C-4C81-A616-72BA982B39A0_files/P5120074.jpg

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Day 3
Sunday May 13, 2007
I know, I know. Today is Mother’s Day, but I took my Mom and Grandma to breakfast early and then my mom had plans, so I got to work. I started off by removing the exhaust manifold and turbo as one piece, I only managed to take one exhaust stud out, which I think is pretty good, and I don’t think I bent up the oil and coolant lines too much getting them out. Next I removed the intake manifold and all of the water lines, stripping the motor to pretty much a bare block.
The exhaust ports were pretty dirty:
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/41DAE0B6-F71B-4024-8C61-D3589A0B8A81_files/P5130014.jpg
My pile of stuff is getting bigger:
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/41DAE0B6-F71B-4024-8C61-D3589A0B8A81_files/P5130016.jpg
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/41DAE0B6-F71B-4024-8C61-D3589A0B8A81_files/P5130015.jpg

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Day 4
Monday May 14, 2007
Today was my first day of work on the company dime. So I made it count. I started off by setting cylinder 1 to TDC, taking off the valve cover and taking the cams out. I was surprised to see the cams showed little wear and the rockers looked good too.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/999B2596-F91A-4CD2-88E0-2D988C685008_files/P5140006.jpg
Then I organized the bearing caps, bolts, rockers and shims so I wouldn’t put anything back in in the wrong place. Next I set the cams aside and got out the biggest breaker bar we have to break the head bolts loose. I loosened them by turning each one a 1/4 turn then another 1/4 turn until they were all loose, man that is a scary task.
The pistons looked a little dirty, but there weren’t any signs of detonation and the quench chambers looked good.
Just a little carbon buildup, nothing a little wire brush won’t fix. Another good note is the head gasket didn’t show any signs of blowing through.
Next, I checked the headbolts to make sure they were within factory spec. The FSM says the must be less then 6.23 inches and I measured all of them around 6.2 inches, so I’m good, although maybe I should do head studs.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/999B2596-F91A-4CD2-88E0-2D988C685008_files/P5140019.jpg
Then I took the head down to our favorite engine builder to have the head “freshened up” so it will burn as clean as possible. They said the head looked pretty good and were going to check to see if it needs to be decked. Then were going to clean the ports and valves, then check for seal. A leaky valve makes a dirty engine.
After lunch I turned to engine over to see a bad sight. Turns out when we put the front clip on the piano dollies, one of them was under the oil pan and squashed it up pretty good. (My bad) I already had another oil pan because the one that came on the clip had a hole in in from a forklift.
That didn’t bother me, but now that it was smashed down its time for another pick-up.
So to check the bottom end to make sure everything is in order I took off the steel oil pan and baffle to see a not so happy oil pickup that had left its mark on the inside of the steel oil pan:
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/999B2596-F91A-4CD2-88E0-2D988C685008_files/P5140026.jpg
Next was the aluminum pan, which Nissan made easier to remove by including two threaded holes to put bolts in and push it away from the block.
I don’t really know what I’m looking for, but the bottom end looked pretty good, no play or metal shavings and only a tiny bit of sludge.
And look, kangaroo cast block! (whatever that means)
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/999B2596-F91A-4CD2-88E0-2D988C685008_files/P5140034.jpg
Last on my list vas a venture into fairly undocumented and dangerous territory, the elusive front cover. First the pulley had to come off, then the bolts holding it on. A few gentle taps from a rubber hammer and pry bar, and that thing was off!
So, I cleaned all the gasket material off with a putty knife and everything looks pretty good.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/999B2596-F91A-4CD2-88E0-2D988C685008_files/P5140038.jpg
Everything looked pretty good, but while we had the engine apart we decided to order some preventative maintenance parts. So we ordered a complete gasket set, new front cover, oil pickup, water pump, thermostat and timing chain. Those parts should be here thursday.

[rainier]

its good to see someone updating often with plenty of pictures!

since a lot of us get bored when its all text!

[Anto]

Niiiiiice.
Can't wait to see where this build ends up.

[johngriff]

So..

Are you going to go EGR? Which EGR will you use?

Are you going to add on to the ECM EGR Control? Or try to rig a vacuum setup?

[GSXRJJordan]

Good questions John - I'm also curious whether you're going to try to use the EGR (it sucks, but it's factory, so I guess you're supposed to?).

Awesome, awesome, awesome Joe ~ keep it up, and know that we're all here for you!

[drift freaq]

he is trying to do a smog legal SR which means he will have to use the EGR guys.

[johngriff]

I was just curious if an RI could get a "pass" on the EGR.

I think it HAS to be on electronic control right?

What standards are going to regulate how the port in the intake manifold is made? Where it is placed? How it is fabricated on?

This isnt one of those "slap some egr' on that whip" situations.

[Farzam]

Awesome build!

w00t!

[Howard92884]

Looking good so far. This ought to be interesting. Subscribed!

[Addicted2Kouki]

Its looking good so far. People I've talked to about it doubt, but I wont give up hope. Can't wait to see more progress. Good Luck With This Long and Extensive Project.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Hold on hold on hold on!
#1 F*CK the EGR... No, we're not going to add it.
#2 Pulse air injection for the win! We are just going to modify the Air injection tube so that it will clear the steering column (hopefully)
EGR sucks, why would u want to take hot exhaust gasses and then pump them right back into your intake?

[mr_240sx]

wow great build..... ill definately be keeping a close eye on it.

[ecuastyle84]

wow nice job man....cant wait to see the finished product...keep us updated:)

[johngriff]

Hahah See, that is what I was asking!

Explain pulse air injection.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

I dont know exactly how it works, I just work here. I do know that it takes air in pre maf and puts it in the exhaust to dilute it. It also helps to get the catalyst to light faster.

[drftwerks]

what are you gonna do about NOX??? our cars still need to pass nox

[ManoNegra]

^ That's what catalytic converters and good tuning are for.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

^ That's what catalytic converters and good tuning are for.
Thanks for the suggestions and concerns guys.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Day 5
Wednesday, May 16, 2007
Since I am waiting on some parts today was cleaning day, because a clean engine is a happy engine. I started out by using a special adjustable wrench to turn the crank.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/4AA59063-4C33-41C9-8DD0-361CAEA73B35_files/P5160005.jpg
Here you can see pistons 2 & 3 before and after cleaning. All I used was some brake clean and a rag:
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/4AA59063-4C33-41C9-8DD0-361CAEA73B35_files/P5160007.jpg
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/4AA59063-4C33-41C9-8DD0-361CAEA73B35_files/P5160009.jpg
Piston number 3 had a minor nick from the rear intake valve,
but doesn’t look like anything bad. Next I cleaned the block, a lot of brake clean and some scrubbing with a rag and a wire brush and it looks pretty good, not perfect but not bad.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/4AA59063-4C33-41C9-8DD0-361CAEA73B35_files/P5160017.jpg
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/4AA59063-4C33-41C9-8DD0-361CAEA73B35_files/P5160018.jpg
It looked like the dipstick leaks from where the dirt was caked on the block. Finally I cleaned the oil pan and painted the motor mounts and some of the pulleys. After 4 cans of brake clean and numerous rags, the engine is starting to come together. I get all the seals and new parts tomorrow.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/4AA59063-4C33-41C9-8DD0-361CAEA73B35_files/P5160020.jpg

[Wahl 136]

Great, GREAT stuff! Keep the engine pictures coming!

[opponheimer]

You've gone that far and aren't going to do new rings? you think they're fine?

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Yea, compression and leakdown both looked good.

[CKAMC]

how do the coolant and oil passages look?

nice progress :)

[FaLKoN240]

I like this build thread, and I like you.

Keep it up.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

The coolant passages dont look bad, there is a little bit of orange on the walls, but nothing major. The coolant was clean as hell when I drained it. The oil passages are Super, the one that goes from the pump to the filter was KLEEN! a little bit of sludge here and there, but overall pretty decent. I get the front cover and other goodies tomorrow.

I like this build thread, and I like you.

Keep it up.
:love: What are you doin later? :keke:

[opponheimer]

Sounds good, carry on! If you don't mind me saying I would suggest replacing headstuds with ARP units, however you have to retorque them after the first 3-5 heat cycles if assuming they are brand new.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Yea I'm thinking thats probably whats gonna happen. just trying to save money, the less it costs to build this thing, the less its gonna cost for u guys!
But I might pay for them myself, since its going in my car

[xblack240x]

Wow, what a build, can't wait to see the results.. Thank you SOOO much, I'm pretty sure all of us here at zilvia are happy for what you are doing... Hopefully everything works out, and good luck, and continue with the build =)

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Lol, donations are accepted here. (http://legaljdm.com/Support.html)

[bardabe]

dude, that is coming out great keep up el good work'oh comando. =]

[ZenkiKid]

dude if you are able to legalize srs in 240s i swear youll be a hero in the Nissan world.

[projekt_s13]

dude if you are able to legalize srs in 240s i swear youll be a hero in the Nissan world.

haha true that.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

S13 for now... and I'm working on it.

[panama DRIFT]

+1 for you my good sir

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

...waiting for UPS...

[k's_silvia2.0]

Hooray for you Joe.Promise ill send pics.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

GRR, tracking number says its supposed to be here today, but it doesnt say it made it on the truck

UPS = FAIL!

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Does anyone else see whats wrong with this?
http://www.legaljdm.com/track.jpg

[Flipzide]

sweet thread, joe. i'll be monitoring your progress. w00t w00t w00t! you can do it!

[mr_240sx]

it arrived in oakland but left from vernon???

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

It got to oakland, never left, then magically appeared in Vernon, then made it to sylmar. friggin UPS!

[xblack240x]

LOL, yeah I use USPS just cause I like their tracking and service better, stuff gets to where its supposed to when its supposed to... UPS screwed me over twice, I even had to drive down to one of their warehouses to pick up my own package once... Hehe good luck and continue on

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

I guess monday I will have more stuff, for now I'm just gonna paint pulleys and accesory brackets.
Maybe I will finally put my Recaros in today too.
(should I include stuff in this build that doesn't pertain to legal JDM?)
wait wait wait, this is my thead I'll do what I want!

[AbsoluteZero]

How the hell did it end up in sylmar... that same thing happened to me as well... stupid ups

[J-Style]

God damn Joe, I love you. I feel like I should give you something after reading this thread. I am definatly suscribing.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Dont listen to that kid, he lives by me. <3

[aznpoopy]

How the hell did it end up in sylmar... that same thing happened to me as well... stupid ups

easy for that to happen. i worked in UPS before.

the guy who scans packages as they arrive is the guy who loads them into the truck. you pick a box off the feeder, check the zip, scan it, and then load it into the wall. UPS expects you to keep up a very brisk pace with loading. i forget the numbers, but to say its roughly 2000 boxes in 2 or 3 hours. that's roughly 5 seconds a package, which sounds about right. the scanner itself is a wrist mounted device with a laser / trigger device mounted on your finger. you point it at the barcode on the package and it usually scans, but things go wrong with it quite often... dirt, wrinkles, etc.

when the box load gets heavy (which happens quite often) the belt and everything gets jammed up and everything goes to hell. that's when packages go to wrong locations because the loader doesn't have time or is too fatigued to check each and every box zip code accurately, and/or scan it in time.

[liv2drift045]

Nice build man. You goin w/ a metal HG or factory?

[drftwerks]

ok for nox, what do you mean tunning???

your gonna use aftermarket ecu for the car???

how legal is that??

no good fix for nox otherthan egr, but we shall see.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Factory for now, as oem as possible to fit as many people as possible.
Tuning I mean rom tuning, stock ecu tuning.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

No Recaros. but I did get a Jonnie Fraz SPL power brace. I <3 it.

[!Zar!]

Yeah, get your tune on! hahaha. Hope everything works out. Maybe contact Jim Wolf or you could try Scott at Enthalpy. Best of luck tuning. Because of you I have another car just sitting at my house waiting to be driven legaly. hahaha.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Thanks Mel.
build up resumes tomorrow.

[InspireMS]

best of luck to you on your project man! i too would love to see legal sr20s in the US. I used to lurking in your thread in the tech section and everything sounds good so far. good luck and keep us posted!

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Got my big juicy box of parts :)

[GSXRJJordan]

our 10am update is just 'got parts'... how lame is this guy... ;)

I have sexy pics on Joe's website, go check out the 'free trial' (aka pics page).

Joe I love the fact that you're not trying to use the EGR, its ghey, and that's all there is to it. I know a few people with stock engines, no EGR or AIV, stock ECU, and they pass the sniffer test, so including the AIV even without a retune might be alright. Anyhow, retune's good for the soul, and should (hopefully) take you far, far away from the NOx cutoff line.

Resume pics/solid build please.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Sorry I would have pics but my camera is dead. in the meantime I'm pinning out the S13 DCC controller, I will post that later too.

[J-Style]

I have a good picture of your car Joe, but I don't know how to resize it! I will also get you a picture of my LegalJDM sticker soon!

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Day 7
Monday May 21, 2007
Finally got my parts in today, but since my camera battery was dead first thing, I went ahead and pinned out all of the wires for the digital climate control I want to put in later. Once my battery was charged, I opened the box of gaskets, to take the valve stem seals out and down to the machine shop.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/25F2B6A7-9BCF-4D5B-9974-02C2BFDC3C48_files/P5210025.jpg
Then I took off the timing chain guide that holds the chain on, the top bolt came loose easily but the bottom one was a huge pain. I started to strip it out with the 6mm allen wrench, so I stepped up to a 1/4” allen, which also started to spin. Luckily however I had an impact remover which spins as you hit it and broke that sucker loose. Then I replaced the timing chain, it had a regular silver link instead of the gold one to line up the crankshaft with, so I took a paint pen and painted it gold. Then I lined it up with the marks on the crank, put the chain guide back in and carefully tightened the bolts back up.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/25F2B6A7-9BCF-4D5B-9974-02C2BFDC3C48_files/P5210026.jpg
Finally I torqued them down per the FSM. Next I got some Permatex Ultra Grey liquid gasket and added a bead to the timing cover. http://legaljdm.com/Blog/25F2B6A7-9BCF-4D5B-9974-02C2BFDC3C48_files/P5210030.jpg
At first I put in in the ridge of the cover, then realized I was being an idiot and put in the groove where it is supposed to go. I let it sit for about two minutes then slapped that baby onto the block and torqued it down.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/25F2B6A7-9BCF-4D5B-9974-02C2BFDC3C48_files/P5210031.jpg
Next I put on the new oil pick-up, put back in the upper baffle and added a bead of Ultra Grey to the oil pan,
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/25F2B6A7-9BCF-4D5B-9974-02C2BFDC3C48_files/P5210032.jpg then put in on the block and torqued it to spec.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/25F2B6A7-9BCF-4D5B-9974-02C2BFDC3C48_files/P5210034.jpg
Here you can see the difference between this pick-up and the one that came with the motor.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/25F2B6A7-9BCF-4D5B-9974-02C2BFDC3C48_files/P5210035.jpg
Next I added the lower baffle.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/25F2B6A7-9BCF-4D5B-9974-02C2BFDC3C48_files/P5210037.jpg
Then I added the water pump, thermostat housing and water neck, followed by the accessory brackets. Finally I torqued everything down. Now I’m just waiting on the head.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/25F2B6A7-9BCF-4D5B-9974-02C2BFDC3C48_files/P5210038.jpg

[JustinStrife]

Keep it up man. Been following you on Nico. Would love to get my S13 legal here. :bow:

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

I think the coolest thing out of this whole project isnt getting the stock 240 legal, its that my boss wants to get a 400hp SR street legal.
8==========:)

He's talking about doing stages.
Stock
stage one- intake, downpipe...
stage two- cams, header...
stage three- bigger turbo, bigger injectors...

[sideview_180sx]

you do realized that enlarged passage on the one that came with your motor was to increase the amount of oil the motor would take in. Thats a typical mod that has been used by j-land guys for a long time. if you watch the silvia/180sx tuning guide video. they show that. plus its been in options mags years ago.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

your talking about hte pickup?

[SDS13COUPE]

Love for you and the nice build. :bigok:

[sideview_180sx]

yup at the pick up

[Dousan_PG]

enlarge ur pick up
or get a late model one!

[drifting_changed_mylife]

Does anyone else see whats wrong with this?
http://www.legaljdm.com/track.jpg
dude i hate HATE HATE!!!! ups! they really need to rethink the way they run their business. i hate tons of parts comming from ca to nyc and every time i would request that the package be signed for. and not only did the mother fuckers leave amost 1000 bucks in parts at the wrong address, they just left it on their porch!!!! and i mean ny is not the safest of all places so some crack head could have came and scooped up the boxxes and then what....... dude sometines i would rather use usps

anyways great job on the thread, its pretty awsome! keep the pics comming for us noobs!

[liv2drift045]

I've had the same thing happen w/ usps (100's of dollars of parts left on a doorstep when they were supposed to be signed for)... it just depends on the person delivering the package... if they decide that they actually wanna do wtf they are getting paid for that day.

[matixx]

this is an awesome thread man! i hope this goes together well and you can get this legalized!!!

oh and i hate ups as well. i only use fedex now... i have shipped rare parts with only stretch wrap on them and arrived without a single scratch :) and i have had packages lost and was taken care of really well.

[Slidin240Wayz]

Which late model pickup? Part number?

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Im pretty sure he's talking about a S14 pickup, the one I took off looked like the one in the S14 FSM

[bardabe]

coming along clean really clean mate. congratulations keep it up. I wanna see this result. then maby we can start with my RB? =]

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

teehee sounds like a plan to me :)
except I saw ur set up, there is no sidemount in the pitcha!

[EvilRB]

Great thread!!! Keep up the good work and let us know how we can help!!


......other than money cause I'm a broke bitch at the moment.......:cry:

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Well since I haven't gotten the head back, right now I'm tearing down the RHD dash harness to pull out the DCC parts, man this is a sticky mess. I guess Kouki 180's didnt have a subharness for the DCC, all there was was DCC
http://legaljdm.com/P5230039.JPG
http://legaljdm.com/P5230039.JPG
http://legaljdm.com/P5230041.JPG

[cmcdougle]

Subscribed. This is exciting!

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Day 8
Wednesday May 23, 2007
I started off today tearing the digital climate contol harness out of the JDM dash harness. Then I took apart the intake manifold and cleaned the plenum, runners and air injection and throttle body. They were all pretty bad.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/8D9887BF-BC0E-4AA0-907F-8015E0E5F1AA_files/P5230043.jpg
Then I put in new gaskets and torqued everything back down.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/8D9887BF-BC0E-4AA0-907F-8015E0E5F1AA_files/P5230046.jpg
Next I went to the machine shop and picked up my head. He cleaned up all the ports and gave it a 3 angle valve job. He also put in a spacer to help the valve seal and prevent valve float.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/8D9887BF-BC0E-4AA0-907F-8015E0E5F1AA_files/P5230047.jpg
Next I put on the head gasket and set the head on top.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/8D9887BF-BC0E-4AA0-907F-8015E0E5F1AA_files/P5230050.jpg
Next I went ahead and bled the lifters. I used two cups of motor oil and 1/16th inch diameter piece of filler rod to pump the lifters. I used one cup to bleed them in and another to store them.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/8D9887BF-BC0E-4AA0-907F-8015E0E5F1AA_files/P5230052.jpg
It was a little tricky because each one had a sweet spot that would bleed alot out, but if you weren’t right on the spot, it would make you think it was done. However I got all 8 bled out and ready to put in.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/8D9887BF-BC0E-4AA0-907F-8015E0E5F1AA_files/P5230053.jpg
Then I torqued down the head bolts per the FSM.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/8D9887BF-BC0E-4AA0-907F-8015E0E5F1AA_files/P5230054.jpg
I didn’t actually use the spinner to torque them. Instead I brought out brutus the breaker bar.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/8D9887BF-BC0E-4AA0-907F-8015E0E5F1AA_files/P5230055.jpg
Friday I should be able to get the top end back together and be one step closer to being done.

[civilized_drifter]

nice build, is that a 959 in the second to last pic?

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Yea
msglgnth!

[CKAMC]

Wow, never seen someone actually this deep into cleaning. I am impressed!

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

I would have taken everything down to bare metal media blasting, thats what I did with my 5 lug swap, but I just dont have the money and my boss doesn't really care. I dont really either, when we start making more power I'll make it look mo bettah.

[xblack240x]

Keep us updated, haven't checked on this for awhile, but its looking so good so far, and I like your bosses idea :bigok:

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

*ahem* my idea

[4thHorse]

Don't worry if the Porsche isn't in the shop when you get back. I might bring it back ... and with a full tank.

[Yum-Yum]

lol so you torqued them going by angle and turns? I'm not saying that doesn't work well but if any of your threading in your block was stretched, messed up it may throw things off for ya... but im guessing you had no problems.

did ya just go w/ stock studs?

[GSXRJJordan]

OEM head studs are good - I think he actually re-used the old ones because they were within spec. What's weird is that the FSM actually gives angles, not torque values, for torquing the studs down. Creeps me out.

Porsche 959s are the shit. 0-60 in less than 4secs = awd that works.

[drftwerks]

angle and turns is more accurate iirc

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Wait wait wait, let me clarify so I dont look like an idiot.
They are head bolts not studs. I torqued them up to 29, then to 58, then loosened all of them.
Then I retorqued them to 30. marked the side of the bolt heads toward the front of the engine, then rotated them all 90 degrees. with the breaker bar. 100% per FSM.
I also checked all the bolt lengths and they were within factory spec, thats why I choose to reuse them, also I didnt have the money to buy head studs right now. When I up the power I'll do studs.

[cmcdougle]

how much are head studs?

[delphis]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ARP-Head-Studs-12-Point-Head-Nissan-91-94-RN14-SR20DET_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33623QQihZ020QQ itemZ300114040012QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

about 130

[CKAMC]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ARP-Head-Studs-12-Point-Head-Nissan-91-94-RN14-SR20DET_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33623QQihZ020QQ itemZ300114040012QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

about 130

extreme over price

http://phase2motorsports.stores.yahoo.net/oemsrhebo.html

$85 since you need 10

extra 40 bucks for arp stuff

[ImporteXBUILT]

extreme over price

http://phase2motorsports.stores.yahoo.net/oemsrhebo.html

$85 since you need 10

extra 40 bucks for arp stuff

Aren't those just head bolts? The ARP ones are studs, I thought?

Sweet thread, makes me wanna go out and buy an SR so I can do my own build haha.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

As far as I read head studs pwn head bolts hard core.

[cmcdougle]

Aren't those just head bolts? The ARP ones are studs, I thought?

Sweet thread, makes me wanna go out and buy an SR so I can do my own build haha.

Yea, me too. I seriously wanna go SR now that they're gonna be legal.



As far as I read head studs pwn head bolts
hard core.

Sorry for the newb question. What's so different about them?

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Instead of a bolt that threads through the head into a block, you have a stud that threads into the block and a nut that you thread onto the stud and torque. supposed to be strong and you are able to get a more accurate torque out of them I guess.

[cmcdougle]

That's cool. Can you change them without having to take off the head again and putting a new gasket and stuff?

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

I dont think you can put the studs in with the head on. Anyone thats done those want to chime in?

[zackt69]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=108636&highlight=head+stud+install

[slower than you]

hey, youre from napa, you work at an emissions place, and theres a 959 in the background, you must work at this place that i used to deiver parts to all the time when i worked at napa auto parts. I remember that 959 comin by my work, with probably your boss driving it. 600+hp and street legal... ughhhh

somone already fixed it, sorry bro

[drftwerks]

hurry and finnish this shit, i need street legal sr for my fc

[cmcdougle]

hurry and finnish this shit, i need street legal sr for my fc

he's accepting donations to help speed up the process. . . :naughtyd:

[arian23]

That 959 is one of the sickest cars on the planet! Can you show us some pics of the 959?

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Zack thanks, dougle thanks
arian I will PM you some later.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Day 9
Friday, May 25, 2007

Wow, today was a long day. Some of the other guys in the shop (there is only 5 of us) were testing and tuning a Harley all day, that got really annoying. Anyway I decided to start today off by putting the valve train together, It started off looking like this.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/96EA209D-D23B-4A05-8BAE-80577C75FF6B_files/P5250001.jpg
Then I added the valve shims and lifters.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/96EA209D-D23B-4A05-8BAE-80577C75FF6B_files/P5250004.jpg
The I dropped on the rocker arms and added assembly lube to the bearings.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/96EA209D-D23B-4A05-8BAE-80577C75FF6B_files/P5250012.jpg
I almost forgot to torque down these sub headbolts in the timing area.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/96EA209D-D23B-4A05-8BAE-80577C75FF6B_files/P5250009.jpg
I was trying to do everything without taking the cam gears off, but I couldn’t figure out a way to do it. Anyways I got everything lined up, put on and torqued. http://legaljdm.com/Blog/96EA209D-D23B-4A05-8BAE-80577C75FF6B_files/P5250015.jpg
Next I decided to tackle putting on the intake manifold. But first I had to get the heater hoses put on.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/96EA209D-D23B-4A05-8BAE-80577C75FF6B_files/P5250017.jpg
Then I got the manifold on, all the water lines hooked up and bolts torqued.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/96EA209D-D23B-4A05-8BAE-80577C75FF6B_files/P5250018.jpg
Finally I reached the point of no return, the exhaust manifold. I shot it with PB blaster, let it sit and then took it apart.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/96EA209D-D23B-4A05-8BAE-80577C75FF6B_files/P5250019.jpg
I got lucky all the turbo studs stayed in.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/96EA209D-D23B-4A05-8BAE-80577C75FF6B_files/P5250021.jpg
Next I took the manifold to the machine shop and had it glass blasted.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/96EA209D-D23B-4A05-8BAE-80577C75FF6B_files/P5250032.jpg
Finally I hung it up in our dyno room, turned the fans on and coated it with Duplicolor High Heat with ceramic 1200 degree engine enamel, looks pretty nice. http://legaljdm.com/Blog/96EA209D-D23B-4A05-8BAE-80577C75FF6B_files/P5250034.jpg
Next I took the injectors out of the fuel rail to replace the o-rings. It was a little bit of a pain to figure out, but easy once I figured it out. I used the two screws as fulcrums and two screwdrivers to lift them out.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/96EA209D-D23B-4A05-8BAE-80577C75FF6B_files/P5250026.jpg
Last thing I did before heading home was starting to strip the valve cover.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/96EA209D-D23B-4A05-8BAE-80577C75FF6B_files/P5250035.jpg
I’m going to Duplicolor it with high heat gloss black and then polish off the letters and then clear coat the whole thing, hopefully it will turn out really shiny. However I was thinking about just clear coating the valve cover, it looks really cool with the brushed aluminum look.

[drftwerks]

the paint on the mani is going to come ff in probably like a week after its running

[xblack240x]

Looks good so far, but I have one question, I need to replace my o-rings, and I had a spare SOHC laying around, and I decided to practice with that one so if I screw up its not a problem, but I still couldn't get the injectors out, but I had someone come and help me get them out, and while I was looking at the injector, I couldn't figure out how to get the o-ring off, nor was I able to figure out how to get an o-ring back on... I know this is probably simple, but hey, I only learn from my mistakes, I'll probably go back out tomorrow and try and figure it out, but any help would be appreciated, seeing as how you just did this... Thanks and keep up the good work :bigok:

[GSXRJJordan]

Theres no trick to injectors/o rings/etc. Don't break the clips, is all.

Joe you're doin a bang up job, but 1200 degree enamel will flake the first day. Exh temps are 1600 or so, there's no spray on paint that'll last. Bummer, I know, cause it looks really cool. I'm glad you're doing your valve cover, I'm gonna have to do mine when I repaint ~ oh and on a side note I'll have to get some better legaljdm.com sticker pics with the new wheels :)

[G-spec]

Great thread! Thanks for sharing...

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

I figured it would burn off eventually. I thought exhaust temps were usually around the 1100 range for piston motors.
either way that manifold isn't staying on there long I'm gonna throw like 6 more coats on it anyway, atleast until that can runs out.
It does look bitchin tho.
I wanted to do my valve cover cause that flat black texture stuff looks like poop and mine looked worse becaust it looks like someone tried getting the oil fill cap off with vice grips and knicked it all up. but I polished that right out. I want that think glossy. I really wanted to do it like construction safety pink, but I dont feel like paying the money to powder coat it.

[khmerguy618]

build is looking great. hope it gets legalized.

[s13gold]

subscibed!!!!!!!!

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Day 10
Tuesday, May 29, 2007

Well over the weekend I had a catastrophe painting the valve cover. It started out being gloss black, which I couldn’t lay down a coat without getting a run. So I had my friend David paint it and he had a hard time too. So we decided to throw in a little bass boat silver metal flake in. Well, a little turned into a lot and made then entire area around the dyno room look like a disco and the valve cover look like a fishing lure. I was so disgusted I didn’t take any pictures. Anyway the motor is so close to being done. I’m waiting on UPS for my Circuit Sports oil block, and today I got the exhaust side of the motor on.
First I put the stud that came out back into the block, then attached the turbo to the manifold with a new gasket.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/DC4128A1-8141-4FFE-9CC8-FF4DB2C21E74_files/P5290049.jpg
Next I torqued the nuts (somehow) and bent back up the locking plates.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/DC4128A1-8141-4FFE-9CC8-FF4DB2C21E74_files/P5290052.jpg
Then I slapped the whole thing along with the exhaust gasket and the oil and water lines onto the block.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/DC4128A1-8141-4FFE-9CC8-FF4DB2C21E74_files/P5290054.jpg
Next I torqued the manifold bolts down and added the compressor inlet pipe and the water neck.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/DC4128A1-8141-4FFE-9CC8-FF4DB2C21E74_files/P5290058.jpg
Finally I added the o2 elbow and o2 sensor.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/DC4128A1-8141-4FFE-9CC8-FF4DB2C21E74_files/P5290062.jpg
Tomorrow I should have the oil block and I will make some lines for the remote oil filter mount.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/DC4128A1-8141-4FFE-9CC8-FF4DB2C21E74_files/P5290063.jpg

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Day 11
May 30, 2007

I don’t know if it is every gear head’s dream, but its certainly been one of mine to have some sweet AN hardware and braided stainless lines in my engine bay. Yesterday my Circuit Sports oil block came in, its quite a nice piece.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300065.jpg
It has 2 -8AN lines, a -6AN adapter and plug incase you need an oil supply, and a also a port for your stock oil pressure switch. Next I went to the local race supply store and picked up some hardware.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300078.jpg
I got four -8AN hose ends, two 1/2” pipe to -8AN adapters, 3’ of -8AN braided stainless hose and an oil filter block.
First I cut the 3 feet of stainless hose in half by taping it with electrical tape and cutting it with the cutoff wheel.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300079.jpg
Then I stripped off the electrical tape and slid the hose into the red part of the hose end, putting the end of the hose flush with the threads.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300081.jpg
Then I lubricated the blue part of the hose end with some white lithium grease.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300082.jpg
Next I clamped the red part into the vice using an AN assembly clamp and pushed the blue part of the AN fitting into the red.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300092.jpg
I twisted it with my palm until the threads engaged then used a 7/8” AN wrench to tighten them.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300084.jpg
I tightened the fitting until the red and blue parts were just about 1mm apart.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300090.jpg
Next I got out the stock SR oil plate and compared it to the Circuit Sports piece.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300070.jpg
Then I took the two o rings off of the stock plate and put them on the new one.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300071.jpg
Next, I wrapped the stock oil pressure switch with teflon tape and put it in the block.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300072.jpg
Then I installed the oil block onto the motor and torqued it down.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300076.jpg
Then added the oil lines I made earlier.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300093.jpg
And finally connected them to the oil filter mount.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300094.jpg

[J-Style]

Damn Joe! The SR is coming along nicely! I can't wait to get to get owned by it on the highway...or mountain, haha! That scar on your hand is still big, but the suspension was sick. :rolleyes:

Later buddy,

Stephen

[zackt69]

Very cool man! Damn, I need to get me one of those AN assembly clamps... looks handy.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Thanks, and yea they are, ours is from Jegs.

[xblack240x]

Looks good, I like the SS oil lines, nice touch :bigok:

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Thanks, I'm deciding wether I should add shrink tubing to them or not.
I also wish I could have done ss turbo lines.

[timtiminy]

Adding shrink tubing to them would not only look nice but make them easier to keep clean and the dust out of the stainless weaving. Oh and why didn't you just powdercoat the valve cover, it would look nice, would take hardly anytime and isnt that expensive. just my 2 cents... I am looking forward to the results of all your hard work, wanting to do a swap but I also want it to be legal. If the swap get legalized will there be a process of legalizing it further with performance parts? I know you mentioned about a legal 400whp SR20DET.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Yes, that will be the next stage we do after the initial cert.

[s13poop]

LOVE THIS THREAD JOE!!

absolutely love it :bigok:

edited.. thanks falkon :keke:

[LB.Motoring]

side note,

added the myspace.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Love u guys, wait till we get the bling parts in, ordering in the morning. :D

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Just ordered HKS Hi-power exhaust!

[surge s14]

im in love with this thread :)

[xblack240x]

Nice, HKS Hi-power exhaust is nice, when I have money I'll probably have one on my SR (when I have money for that too) :keke:

[CKAMC]

Hey i just noticed,

you didnt do anything today

back to work! :whip:

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

lol, a little late?

[sijia10358]

crazy!! love this thread!! i need to do that with my motor! lol

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

DO IT, its not that hard!

[Sidewayzzz]

we need an update.. :)

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Haha, I'm doing paperwork, waiting on parts.
Going to order a Visteon radiator, and some other parts today.
Actually I'm gonna go try and figure out the DCC wiring. :-/

[Sidewayzzz]

paperwork is for the people who can't turn wrenches! :)

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Yea except when its paperwork you need to do to fund the turning of wrenches.

[Chaws15]

:hitit:



'nuff said.

[Young & Artless]

Glad to see somebody taking their time and doing it right!

[NemeGuero]

My car has legal JDM.com stickers on it.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

pics or ban!

[NemeGuero]

Fuck you! Ban me then! MUHAHA

[bardabe]

My car has legal JDM.com stickers on it.

but you have a KA :loco: lol just messing with you ha ha. :bigok:

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Its the thought that counts!

[Sidewayzzz]

mail me some legaljdm stickets and i'll put them on my car, and bike :)

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

http://legaljdm.com/Support.html

[Sidewayzzz]

bumpdate




msglengthwtfbbqsauce

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Day 12
June 5, 2007

Not too many updates, I’ve been working on paperwork and getting stuff handled with my boss, and getting the clip out of the shop. I started working on the DCC wiring harness some more however soon realized that without seeing this thing in the car I couldn’t really tidy it up much more.
http://www.legaljdm.com/Blog/5FB9B876-08FE-4513-80A1-14D282EED1CC_files/P6010003.jpg
I did however manage to add some shrink wrap to a few leads.
http://www.legaljdm.com/Blog/5FB9B876-08FE-4513-80A1-14D282EED1CC_files/P6010002.jpg
Finally today I got the oil filter that fits my oil block.
http://www.legaljdm.com/Blog/5FB9B876-08FE-4513-80A1-14D282EED1CC_files/P6050007.jpg
P.S. HKS Hi-power comes tomorrow.

[NemeGuero]

I hella rawk a KA. But Joe is my new ZilviaSecretLover, so he gets to put his stickers on my car! w00t

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Evan is just scratching my back because I scratched his.

[xblack240x]

Hehe, whats wrong with KA's :keke: I know I love mine *wink*

[NemeGuero]

Evan is just scratching my back because I scratched his.

Thats' not all he scratched.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

:naughty: :ghey:
msglngth

[xblack240x]

:keke:

msglnth

[bullitt4110]

Looks good joe, this NEEDS to work becuase my single cam motor sucks. When are you putting the motor in? Let me know, I'll come over and help (i.e. watch).

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Lol, when that clutch comes in ;)

[!Zar!]

Thats' not all he scratched.

WTF bitch. You're cheating on me?!

[bullitt4110]

Lol, when that clutch comes in ;)
Oh it may be awhile, lol. I am still waiting on the one for my Z06 that was I told would be here 2 weeks ago.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Day 13
June 13, 2007

Well its been a while since I last updated, I was waiting on some parts. Got the HKS Hi-Power exhaust in a while ago. Man, this thing is HUGE! It looks like diesel truck exhaust, and that shiny muffler is going to be police bait for sure, so I ordered a muffler silencer to put in it.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AE047EBC-6E26-4027-B49C-3B3BB912D014_files/P6130039.jpg
Also, today the Greddy oil pan came in, dang this thing is beefy! Here are the two trap doors, they are different sizes because on side of the oil pan is higher then the other, because the SR engine sits in the engine bay at an angle. These trap doors help to keep the oil from sloshing around and keep it in the center, around the all important pickup.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AE047EBC-6E26-4027-B49C-3B3BB912D014_files/P6130020.jpg
Since the pan came unassembled the first thing I had to was secure the trap doors to the pan. I used this locktite, it says its oil tolerant, probably overkill since there is also lock washers, but i don’t want those little screws coming loose.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AE047EBC-6E26-4027-B49C-3B3BB912D014_files/P6130021.jpg
I tightened them down good and snug with a phillips screw driver, I dont know if they had torque values, I cant read Japanese.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AE047EBC-6E26-4027-B49C-3B3BB912D014_files/P6130022.jpg
Next, I used some liquid teflon tape to seal up the plug for the oil temperature sensor hole since I don’t have one yet.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AE047EBC-6E26-4027-B49C-3B3BB912D014_files/P6130023.jpg
Then I threaded it in until it was about flush with the outside of the oil pan.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AE047EBC-6E26-4027-B49C-3B3BB912D014_files/P6130024.jpg
Next, I finally cracked open the tube of OEM liquid gasket that came with the gasket kit from Nissan.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AE047EBC-6E26-4027-B49C-3B3BB912D014_files/P6130028.jpg
And added a ring to the oil pan, making sure it was thick enough all the way around.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AE047EBC-6E26-4027-B49C-3B3BB912D014_files/P6130029.jpg
Then I let it sit for about two and a half minutes and then put it on the engine.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AE047EBC-6E26-4027-B49C-3B3BB912D014_files/P6130030.jpg
Then, I flipped the engine over and admired how beefy that honkin’ oil pan looks, and incase anyone didn’t know what motor this is, it says SR20 on the front.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AE047EBC-6E26-4027-B49C-3B3BB912D014_files/P6130032.jpg
Next, I added some anti-seize to the o2 sensor and torqued it down with one of our fancy o2 sensor sockets.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AE047EBC-6E26-4027-B49C-3B3BB912D014_files/P6130034.jpg
Next I had to do what’s been breaking my heart for a while now, re-bleed the lifters. I did them once, but because I flipped the motor over to put on the oil pan and some other things, they had to be re-bled, good thing I did too, they had a lot of air in them. So to do it, I first loosed the cam caps, then took the rockers off the lifters.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AE047EBC-6E26-4027-B49C-3B3BB912D014_files/P6130035.jpg
The I picked it up with my fingers and wiggled it out of the little hole and dropped it into a dixie cup filled with motor oil, then stuck a 1/16th inch welding rod and bled the little buggers of air.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AE047EBC-6E26-4027-B49C-3B3BB912D014_files/P6130036.jpg
By taking out the timing chain tensioner and turning the cams a little bit back and forth I finally got them all out, re-bled and put back in, without losing a single shim. Then I tightened all of the cam caps back up to spec, I better not forget and flip this motor over again.

[xblack240x]

YAY update :keke:

Nice exhaust, I want one too... I like that oil pan too, especially the part for the idiots who don't recognize the motor...

Anyways, continue on with your build, and keep us updated...

[jilo]

hydraulic lifters blow, i hate mine for the same reasons as you...

[J-Style]

Damn Joe, that exhaust diffenately makes the pants go tight. ;) Can you bring me a Nismo box next time we hang-out? I want to put it on my wall.

[Kaneda774]

Anything new? project is still alive right?

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Still alive for now. Still haven't heard from the state :bite:
But man this is getting old :wtf:
and in the mean time my starter on my KA is going bad, and I dont want to buy a new one and use it for like a month maybe.
I did however get in some heater hoses, a Z32 fuel filter and a aluminum steering bushing in today. :jerkit:
I know I know, believe me, as soon as I know one way or another, you will.

[cmcdougle]

Still alive for now. Still haven't heard from the state :bite:
But man this is getting old :wtf:
and in the mean time my starter on my KA is going bad, and I dont want to buy a new one and use it for like a month maybe.


Time for the magic pole...

(meaning, get a stick and hit the starter while you're cranking it... geez, you guys)

[!Zar!]

Psch.

Be a man.

Hit the starter with your dick.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

If only mel, if only... :ghey:

[drftwerks]

i got a starter for sale in san jose, pm me, btw keep this DREAM ALIVE

[CKAMC]

Less talk more work/pictures :whip:

[norcal_black240]

any updates?

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

No, :-/
Still playing the waiting game. :aw:
Its been a while now :ugh:

On a side note my coilovers will come on tuesday. :hs:

[Intense350Z]

nice thread..keep up the good work!

[bardabe]

Updates!!!!!

[sijia10358]

UPDATES!! the engine super dooper clean! lol greddy oil pan?! i wish i had those!

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Ok ok, I dont really have any, since were waiting on the state my boss took away all my money so I'm kinda stuck.
However where I stand right now...

I was going to buy a tomei t-trax lsd (and still might, but in the meantime
I helped emo nemo put a welded diff in his S14 for grip n slip.
so, he gave me the s14 diff out of his car and another S13 diff (both open).
Today, with the help of my friend david (since I cant mig) we welded both diffs. I am getting my Stance GR+Pro's on tuesday and plan on installing those and corner weighting my car. then this coming weekend I plan on videotaping me driving up my local mountain with both my VLSD and welded diff for a direct comparison.
I have a pair of Recaro leather reclining buckets sitting on a futon in my living room that I decided not to put in my car and I am going to sell those and get a Bride VIOSIII bucket (assuming I fit in it). Next, I gotta order a clutch and flywheel, radiator, hoses and fan controller and I should be about ready to drop in the motor. sorry for the lame update but its all I got for now.

[Sqwibbs]

Which local mountain?

[wangan_cruiser]

yea which local mountain...i havent been up north to look for good mountain to drive. heh

[pistonx]

Side note,

Any luck on that dcc wiring harness. I just got mine working some what, but no a/c.

Jason

[articdragon192]

Ooo, how much for the Recaros?

[tckracker]

Just Subscribed, keep up the good work!! Show that the Gov't can be changed...

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

I could tell you what mountain, but thats off topic, and I could tell you about the seats but that is too.
If you are interested PM me.
in the mean time, I may do a cool little write up about corner weighting my car, even tho I dont know what I'm doing. :ghey:

['90RPS13]

haha, i say do it.

how ya been bud? LONG time no talk.


BACK TO SUBJECT!!!

[ZOMG_S14]

corner weight that bad boy!
and im dying to know about what the carb lady said!
update!
all my sentences end in exclamation points!

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Stance coils are on.
need an alignment and rucas.
couldnt completely corner weight the car because it had too much weight in the rear. my rears are too short and fronts are too long. Will fix tomorrow.
However the fronts were only 20lbs different. not bad.

EDIT: Wow somone 5 star'd my thread? LOL.

[cmcdougle]

Wow somone 5 star'd my thread? LOL.

I'd 5 star your thread any day. haha.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Hehe. new pics from last night soon.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Day 14
July 10, 2007
Blown suspension stinks. I’ve been riding on blown KYB AGX’s and Eibach Sportlines for far too long. But today I changed all of that, and got a set of Stance GR+ Pro’s. But first since I have S14 knuckles and drilled out the mounting bolts in my AGX’s to fit S14 bolts and I dont want to drill the Stances out, I made bushings.
I started out with some thick wall steel rod.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7100065.jpg
Then machined it down some to get a nice smooth surface.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7100066.jpg
Then I drilled it out.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7100067.jpg
The made more passes until it was down to the correct outer diameter, cut it out and made three more.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7100064.jpg
Next I took of my 17x10 rear wheels to see the ugly sight I was expecting.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7100076.jpg
Eew, blown shocks with all of the fluid on the outside. So, out those had to go, and in go the Stances.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7100082.jpg
Jeez, these things are beefy.
Next the fronts went on, with my little spacers fitting oh so perfectly.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7100089.jpg
I didn’t know if this was the right way to do this, I didn’t read the manual, so I set my camber plates as far positive as they would go, that way if I set my wheel camber to zero, I would have that whole angle of adjustment to go negative. Seems like it made sense to me, since I will never use positive camber.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7100090.jpg
Next we got out the scale pads, which aren’t really supposed to go on the floor, but I was to lazy to get the set up pad.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7100095.jpg
The wheels had to come off and on a few times to adjust the ride hight, camber and corner weights. And finally I got it close enough for now, since it was getting close to midnight.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7100113.jpg
So I got out the torque wrench and started torquing things back down. You can tell here how hard I had been working.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7100119.jpg
The next day I tweaked the right heights a little more and decided it was time to pull the fenders off and relocate the front harnesses that will get rubbed through on a lowered car.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7110001.jpg
First I took off the fender.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7110002.jpg
Then took all the thick wire loom off the harness and rewrapped it with electrical tape. pounded part of the seam flat to get the harness above it, and the rest of it at a right angle to hold the harness up. Then I cut out a section of the wire loom and put it around the harness where it crosses the seam.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7110003.jpg
Next I strategically stuck on some ziptie holders.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7110004.jpg
And finally I ziptied it on.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/A0E79214-6422-40EA-9BF1-E1DFDA2B4480_files/P7110005.jpg
The fenders were a huge pain to put back on, exacerbated by the fact I didn’t take the front bumper off. But all in all, it wasn’t too bad and the peace of mind is worth it all.

[wangan_cruiser]

good update man. keep it up hehhehe

[s13poop]

werd joe

everything is looking really good :bigok:

[jussjepbrox]

nice build,hows the ride on the stance pros i just ordered mine last week should be coming in a few days

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Well, compared to my blown KYB's and Sportlines. its amazingly better.
compared to my friend's M3 with Bilstein coilovers its a little more harsh.

Its not bad at all, I have them set to full soft and its not too bouncy and its not too harsh.

My boss said it needs a little less high speed daming.
I guess that means its too firm over bumps.

[Okinawandrifter87]

Posi rep for good update and 5 star thread Joe =0)

[Irukandji]

joe! I have 5 lug sleeves just chillin in my garage. you could've just taken those instead of making your own.
always ask!

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

joe! I have 5 lug sleeves just chillin in my garage. you could've just taken those instead of making your own.
always ask!

Awww.:doh:

Lol, thats a random thing to ask for. and its okay, I've been :hammer: on the lathe making parts for our racecar all week. It was good practice.

[Slidin240Wayz]

that's a pretty sweet tool you got there. Congrats. It's looking very nice.

[Chaws15]

Dude I think I just gave you +4 rep at the same time... ahahaha doesn't hurt to have more :D

[NemeGuero]

Niiicceeee.. How you like 'em? Sweet right?

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Bettah much much bettah.

[si2die4]

Nice build, I love all the pics!

[ZOMG_S14]

hmmm, there seems to be a few pictures that were omitted from the build thread lol.

+1 on the wire relocation, im sure you'll feel a lot better knowing your harness isn't getting all chewed up under there.

do you still have more tweaking to do with the ride heights? or did you get those to where you want them?

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Much more with the tweaking to be done.
I need to get ride height dialed
then camber, toe, caster.

[xblack240x]

Haven't been on for a long while, good update... PM'd you cause I want to know what local mountain you drove on, I only know a few, they aren't really that interesting though. Keep us updated, keep us hoping this works cause I'm going to be needing a new engine soon and I don't want another KA.

[ZOMG_S14]

update fool, i know you have stuff to add :squint:

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

I dont have any pics yet!

[J-Style]

hmmm, there seems to be a few pictures that were omitted from the build thread lol.

+1 on the wire relocation, im sure you'll feel a lot better knowing your harness isn't getting all chewed up under there.

do you still have more tweaking to do with the ride heights? or did you get those to where you want them?

+1 on that Chris!

Joe, where are the lovely pictures of Chris and I?

I didn't know you ended up relocating the wiring harness, it looks great! I plan on doing that after I get my coil-over's, want to help? :ghey:

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

New Pics from yesterday!
http://a616.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/83/l_0a5513158ac7e4b984e1d4cb6eb688df.jpg
http://a313.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/96/l_d0bae8ab7ad57ec4bb1d477657cd9420.jpg
http://a628.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/100/l_dc6bc43c802e79ea56cc039e45000ddb.jpg

[opponheimer]

I see one picture

[CKAMC]

I dont recall seeing a picture of your engine bay.

yeah its another Sr swap but sometimes the smallest details show how a person goes about with auto's

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

I dont recall seeing a picture of your engine bay.

yeah its another Sr swap but sometimes the smallest details show how a person goes about with auto's

wait what?
yea no engine updates, still waiting... :zzz:

[timlush]

Do you have a brand and/or part number for the oil filter block?
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/AC48A642-E2FC-4E47-87A5-2BBBE8D5EBB6_files/P5300094.jpg

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Its a trans-dapt. I dont know the part number.

[timlush]

Anyway you could get the part number? I searched their website up and down and couldn't find it.

Thanks!

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

I think this is the same thing.
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_192062_-1

[J-Style]

Dude! I had no idea you were going to build a roll-bar! Awesome! :wackit:

[ZOMG_S14]

New Pics from yesterday!
http://a616.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/83/l_0a5513158ac7e4b984e1d4cb6eb688df.jpg
http://a628.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/100/l_dc6bc43c802e79ea56cc039e45000ddb.jpg


lol someone needs to clean under their front seat...
looks like you fixed your camber, i hope.

looks good but missing something...not sure what

[timlush]

http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/900/969/969-1028.jpg

So where on the threads for the oil filter to screw on? Are they on the side that isn't pictured? Is this what your's looks like on the bottom?

Sorry for all the questions, just don't wanna order the wrong thing :)

[opponheimer]

Ok i see now, for some reason only first one showed, NICE :D.... You do have the engine running right?

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

lol someone needs to clean under their front seat...
looks like you fixed your camber, i hope.

looks good but missing something...not sure what
hmm maybe a seat, steering wheel and some aero.

http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/900/969/969-1028.jpg

So where on the threads for the oil filter to screw on? Are they on the side that isn't pictured? Is this what your's looks like on the bottom?

Sorry for all the questions, just don't wanna order the wrong thing :)
Yea the side that is showing is where the hoses run to, and the oil filter goes on the side not showing. It won't be your stock filter either. because this is a generic part you have to get a filter to fit it. I decided on a K&N HP-2004 (I think)

Ok i see now, for some reason only first one showed, NICE :D.... You do have the engine running right?

I'm still running my KA, havent had any money to put into the motor. :mad:

[timlush]

Thanks!

........

[Slow Poke]

WOW, what a sweet build! I just went through every page...
Not to often do people take the time to take pics of everything for us. :)
Thank you for that! Setup looks VERY BADA$$ and is sure to do some damage on the track. GL

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Thank you sir!
More stuff is on its way.
unfortunately its not engine stuffs.:wtc:

[ZOMG_S14]

hmm maybe a seat, steering wheel and some aero.

yah guess thats what it is. you need a widebody kit. annnd thennn... maybe a pair of bride low max's...
annnn dennnnn...

[s14_mike]

damn good write up. keep up the good work!

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Day 15
Monday July 23, 2007

I’ve always wanted a nice steering wheel on my car, but didn’t want to give up cruise control, because I use it all the time. I got my steering wheel from A Spec Products, its a Nardi Deep Corn suede, with a Works Bell short hub and Rapfix 2 quick release. I ran into a few minor problems because my 240 is a Hicas car and this hub is for a non-Hicas 240.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7210027.jpg
First I took off the cover on the stock wheel, then loosened the lock nut.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7210031.jpg
Next I got out the steering wheel puller and pulled the stock wheel off.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7210033.jpg
Once I was down to the just the steering shaft I took out the Hicas components from the column, and the cruise controls off of the steering wheel.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7230043.jpg
First, I took the cruise control pins out of it’s connector.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7230045.jpg
Then, I took the column harness connector and took out the wires I didn’t need.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7230048.jpg
Next, I cut off the ends and added crimp connectors to the wires on the cruise controls.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7230050.jpg
Then, connected the column harness and shrink wrapped the whole thing.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7230051.jpg
Next, I used the steering wheel hole for the cruise controls and drew a template on the underside of the column surround, cut it out with a dremel, added some holes for the screws and secured everything.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7230054.jpg
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7230055.jpg
Then, I cut off the stock horn terminal and crimped on a little ring terminal, and used a picture hanger as a contact, secured by a self tapping screw.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7230056.jpg
I had to rotate the contact because it would hit these two little screws on the the hub, I also added the dowel pins for the turn signal cancel. (Thanks Logan!)
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7230052.jpg
Next I put the hub on, and tightened the nut.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7210036.jpg
Then added a grounding ring and connected it to the black wire on the quick release.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7230058.jpg
Then put it on and tightened the quick release base, here you can also see the cruise controls under the column.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7230061.jpg
Finally I added another grounding ring to the quick release ring side, and secured it with the wheel, added the horn and was done.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7230039.jpg
The contact I put on grinds a little bit, but I think if I add dielectric grease it won’t make a noise, the horn works perfectly as well as the cruise control buttons, although the button placement its going to take a little getting used to.

[Slidin240Wayz]

All looking very nice.

Are there other options for your cruise control; shifter plate cover???

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Shifter plate cover?
I just put it there because I thought it would be easiest, and I wouldn't have to extend any wires.

[ZOMG_S14]

shits weak.

im so stealing your wheel.

[Okinawandrifter87]

Clean looking joe!! Keep up the good work!!!

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

I'm going to redo the horn contact, I came up with a new plan.

[k's_silvia2.0]

Dope and unique mod.

[Irukandji]

nice rollbar! Cool idea for the cruise control too

[A Spec Products]

I ran into a few minor problems because my 240 is a Hicas car and this hub is for a non-Hicas 240.

Awesome writeup

Just FYI for those who might be confused

The Works Bell hub is NOT in any way wrong for the car

Reason is that they do not make a short hub for a Hicas car (its pretty much impossible due to the Hicas mechanism box thing on the steering column)

So he had to take a short hub for regular S13 and make it work on his Hicas S13

I have the same hub and situation as him, but I threw away all my parts when I first changed my wheel to a crap ass Momo hub back in the day

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Logan's right. I knew going into this that the short hub wasn't specifically for a hicas car, so modifications would need to be made.
Because that picture hanger contact was grinding pretty loud I decided to take it out and use this.
http://legaljdm.com/Blog/57FBD58E-DA49-4AFF-86B5-630C0A008C0B_files/P7240003.jpg
Its one of the stock ones out of that black Hicas box that is the connector for the horn as well as the cruise. my horn works perfect now, no grinding noises and the cruise works perfectly too.

[FaLKoN240]

I'm gonna make you do a cruise control install on my car for SoCal trips. :P

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

I'm gonna make you do a cruise control install on my car for SoCal trips. :P

Is it already on ur car? I was just modifying the controls for mine, the system was already there.

[95Blue240sx]

you make me want to wire up my cruise control damnit. I need to buy the cruise control power button because mine is broken. mo moneeyyy

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

I think on your car the cruise is easier to wire up.

[F.C.3S]

hurry and finnish this shit, i need street legal sr for my fc

Sorry for the thradjack but why the hell would you want to do that to an FC? 13B-RE is the teh way to go if an 13B-T is not enough. There is no logical reason to SR an FC unless you have shit loads of money and to much time on your hands.

Hell, I have 270rwhp with a 13B-T with minor mods and stock turbo.

Sorry, my 2 cents.

[cmcdougle]

Yes! At once! ;)

Anyhow, you are talking about injecting air into the cat. Have you thought of using an air pump thats driven by the main pulley? Some cars use this device, and the more rpms you get, the more air you pump, which compensates for increasing emmissions.

Would that make sense on your application, or am I completly not getting what you're about?

Isn't that cheating?

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

No, RX7's have something like that. SR's stock come with Pulse Air injection.

[FaLKoN240]

Is it already on ur car? I was just modifying the controls for mine, the system was already there.

I have cruise control, I just didn't know how to wire it up once I removed the stock wheel so I didn't bother. My car is SO NOT a base model man. I drive that shit everyday. LOL.

[!Zar!]

Isn't that cheating?

Rx7's use this method. As well as Vette's and many other cars.

Some people are shocked when I tell them the KA doesn't have it.

Sorry for the thradjack but why the hell would you want to do that to an FC? 13B-RE is the teh way to go if an 13B-T is not enough. There is no logical reason to SR an FC unless you have shit loads of money and to much time on your hands.

Hell, I have 270rwhp with a 13B-T with minor mods and stock turbo.

Sorry, my 2 cents.

How many people do you personally know with a 13brew in their car? hahaha

[A Spec Products]

Because that picture hanger contact was grinding pretty loud I decided to take it out and use this.

Its one of the stock ones out of that black Hicas box that is the connector for the horn as well as the cruise. my horn works perfect now, no grinding noises and the cruise works perfectly too.

I really should do this to my car too, but eh, missing the og hicas equipment and blah blah blah

Points for DIY action and making it work instead of crying why it dont work

[F.C.3S]

How many people do you personally know with a 13brew in their car? hahaha

Ummmm, read dude. I said 13b-RE, not REW. The REW sucks and is a fragile piece of shit imo. The 13b-RE coms from the cosmo and is a direct fit into an FC....unlike The REW.

So to answer your question, REW in an FC, 1....RE in an FC, atleast 50.

ANYHOW! lets get back on the subject. Please!

tknbkthrsdy4anfg (http://www.zilvia.net/f/member.php?u=51601) Sorry, I shouldn't have said anything.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Thanks for perpetuating this mel!
Meh!

Anyways, logan if you want one of those little contacts that I used for the horn, I have two more. If your turnsignal base is still in there, you can just attach it to that. you would just have to t-tap into the harness that used to go to the hicas thingy.

[turtle m3th]

wow!!! I don't know how the hell I've missed this thread for so long??? Very nice work!

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

cause it sucks.
hahaha

[A Spec Products]

cause it sucks.
hahaha

You can say that again!