Huge negative camber

[HaLo]

Hey there,

I recently went with Tokico springs and I have huge negative camber in the rear (2.8 degrees) and I need to fix it.

I know that PDM has bushings that fix .75 degrees of camber for 60$.  I would need two of these sets... Are they hard to install?

Also, he told me about adjustable aftermarket arms.  How much do they go for? What are the brands making them? Where do you find them? What degrees of adjustabilite can you find on them?  Are they hard to install??

I'd really appreciate all the help you could give!

[srJOEYdet]

Arms-Cusco- $380 a piece-easy install

Bushings-Whiteline-$120/set Hardest job I have ever done on a car. Do not get them unless you know a freind with a machine shop, and are ready for  a week of downtime. If you want to know all the trouble I had,use the search. i broke two ball joints and the job cost me $330 with an alignment.

Try to find camber plates. If not, go to 240sx.org and look at the page about slotting out your controll arms. Its free, and its the best way I know of. Other than the $700 in cusco controll arms. I would not go the route of the bushings. i regret it big time. (so does my bank account)

Joey

[HaLo]

Are camber plates easy to install?  What's the going price on them?

[Da808aZnRaVr]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (srJOEYdet @ Aug. 09 2002,03:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Arms-Cusco- $380 a piece-easy install

Other than the $700 in cusco controll arms.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
dayum thats freakin expensive...u sure its $700 for the the both of them...i got my cusco adjustable rear upper arms for $350 for the both of them...not jus one...i have a '95 240 but still i dont think its that expensive for jus one and hte both of um...

[gtfour43]

Get the Battle Version arms for $325
http://www.battleversion.com/

[srJOEYdet]

Oh my bad. they are 368.00 for both, not just one. I have never seen camber plates for the 240. For installation I am assuming you would just jack the car up, remove the lower bolt on the hub that holds the strut, pull the strut off, and than remove it from the top, and there are your strut towers... naked. Have at it. I have never tried to install some, so Don't go by my instructions. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Joey

[bing]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HaLo @ Aug. 09 2002,01:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey there,

I recently went with Tokico springs and I have huge negative camber in the rear (2.8 degrees) and I need to fix it.

I know that PDM has bushings that fix .75 degrees of camber for 60$. I would need two of these sets... Are they hard to install?

Also, he told me about adjustable aftermarket arms. How much do they go for? What are the brands making them? Where do you find them? What degrees of adjustabilite can you find on them? Are they hard to install??

I'd really appreciate all the help you could give!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh shit...

i just put tokico's in too.

how do i know if my camber is off?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?

FFFFAAAAAAACCCCCCKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!

let me know who you go about solvign this problem

[HaLo]

The best way to know is to bring it to an alignment shop... I installed new tires so I did an alignment at the same time. &nbsp;

They fixed the front camber without any problem, but the rear is really bad... I wonder if it's because the shocks are done...?

Anyways, I will probably go with control arms to fix the problem. &nbsp;Hopefully, it will be enough.

[Da808aZnRaVr]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bing @ Aug. 10 2002,7:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh shit...

i just put tokico's in too.

how do i know if my camber is off?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?

FFFFAAAAAAACCCCCCKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!

let me know who you go about solvign this problem</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
haha well if your car is like how mines was after i slammed it then u can tell u have bad camber jus by lookin at the wheel...for my car i could jus see that the top of my wheel was angled in a lot more than the bottom of my wheel...but i took it to get aligned and they fixed my camber with a camber kit, for the front that is...got the cusco rear upper arms for my rear wheels camber

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (srJOEYdet @ Aug. 10 2002,02:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Arms-Cusco- $380 a piece-easy install

Bushings-Whiteline-$120/set Hardest job I have ever done on a car. Do not get them unless you know a freind with a machine shop, and are ready for a week of downtime. If you want to know all the trouble I had,use the search. i broke two ball joints and the job cost me $330 with an alignment.

Try to find camber plates. If not, go to 240sx.org and look at the page about slotting out your controll arms. Its free, and its the best way I know of. Other than the $700 in cusco controll arms. I would not go the route of the bushings. i regret it big time. (so does my bank account)

Joey</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
No offense, Joey, but you could have just taken all the arms out, paid $50 or less to a shop with a press, and they could have done all those bushings for you in a few minutes. &nbsp;Next time, it might be worthwhile to spend a few bucks on the front end, instead of trying to burn out the old bushings and have to spend all kinds of money at the end (because you burned the wrong part). &nbsp;

The camber kit is not that bad to install. &nbsp;Just time consuming to get the arms out and bushings swapped. &nbsp;I'll most likely just pay someone to do it for me. &nbsp;I hate that, but sometimes you're better off that way.

Eric

[240 2NR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (srJOEYdet @ Aug. 10 2002,11:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh my bad. they are 368.00 for both, not just one. I have never seen camber plates for the 240. For installation I am assuming you would just jack the car up, remove the lower bolt on the hub that holds the strut, pull the strut off, and than remove it from the top, and there are your strut towers... naked. Have at it. I have never tried to install some, so Don't go by my instructions. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Joey</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
This post makes no sence. &nbsp;Are you talking about the front or rear suspension? &nbsp;Adjustable control arms are for use in the rear which is a multilink suspension. &nbsp;You talk about struts, adjustable control arms and I can't follow what your install refers to.

Camber plates are available through several makes (cusco, tein, and almost any coilover that fits the 240 is available with adjustable upper pillowball mounts). &nbsp;The rear shocks can be used with a pillowball mount, but a camber plate there is pointless, and no one makes them (if they do don't waste your money). &nbsp;To adjust rear camber requires use of the one of four methods I can think of:
1. &nbsp;The stock adjustment dial, good for up to maybe 1 degree.
2. &nbsp;Adjustable control arms, good for lots of adjustment, high cost, but probably the easiest solution for lots of camber correction.
3. &nbsp;The eccentric bushings from whiteline. &nbsp;Lots of work, plus &nbsp;$60 per .75 degrees of correction, up to 1.5 degrees (two kits). &nbsp;The side benefit is reduced compliance in the suspenion due to polyurethane bushings.
4. &nbsp;Don't drop the car so low. &nbsp;The whiteline springs ~1.5" drop) on my car seem to have about perfect camber in the rear from what I can tell, though an alignment will confirm or deny that.

[HaLo]

Tokico claims a drop of 1" with their springs, which is way off. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

I'm thinking about rear shocks... It can't be right. &nbsp;2.8 degrees of camber on a claimed 1" drop (around 1-1.5" measured) is way too much. &nbsp;Would you guys agree?

[shark0769]

I just went through the same thing.

Had Tokico blues and Eibach ProKits installed which dropped the back right at 1 inch, maybe a hair more.

When I took it to have the alignment done, the rear was at 2.5 negative camber, so your 2.8 sounds about right to me.

[HaLo]

What did you do to fix it? Did you get control arms in the rear? &nbsp;What about the front? Did you need a camber kit? I didn't need anything up front.

[240S15DETE6K]

2NR is right, it's a multi-link rear, so camber plates are not an option. &nbsp;I have the Whiteline springs, and my camber was way off. &nbsp;I bought two sets of the whiteline eccentric bushings. &nbsp;One set is east to install because they press into the arms, which are easily removed. &nbsp;But to install the second set, they have to be pressed into the rear subframe, which is not too easy to remove. &nbsp;I removed mine a few weeks ago to install Nismo subframe bushings, and wish I had done the camber bushings at the same time. &nbsp;You can do it in a day if you're proficient, otherwise, take it to a shop and prepare to spend. &nbsp;In short, if .75 deg will fix your problem, one set of bushings is easy. &nbsp;Otherwise, consider the arms. &nbsp;With the whiteline springs, one set of bushings is still not enough because I'm still wearing out the inside of the tires, with 1.5 deg neg.

[HaLo]

thanks guys, I'll go with battle version control arms...
gotta to save up now! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[240S15DETE6K]

I need to correct something I said. &nbsp;The first set of bushings get pressed into the arms, but the second set is pressed into the hub carrier, which is not too hard to remove.