front and rear ladder bars-doluck

[AZN GTR]

PICS (http://www.geocities.com/silviaparts2000/bars.html)
What do these do? And are they very hard to find in the U.S.?
Do you guys think if I sell them for $160USD + shipping for front and rear would sell? How heavy are they?

I only have them for S13

BTW, the car on the top says 210sx on the center panel (you can't see it in the pic), why is that?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

[Matt240SE]

All those Do-Luck bars is stiffen the chassis. Yeah and im pretty sure you could sell them pretty quickly for $160, is it for both? or 160 for the front and 160 for the rear??

[West]

That would be awesome if you could get these! I would be down for a set.

The only person I know of that has these is Ty Yap on his s14 KA-T. But he only has the front bar. They just help to stiffin the chassis just as a strut bar or sway bar would.

Please let me know if your going to sell these <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[sil80]

Actually I will buy them from you know for 160 plus shipping.
Do you have the bars now?
Where did you get them.
Let me know when you want to sell them and I will buy them.

Jesse

[sykikchimp]

I would also be down for these.. &nbsp;160 a set is a very nice deal.

[Yoshi]

I'd buy some too, put me down if you're going to sell them... keep us all informed <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[drift freaq]

count me in as well &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Yoshi]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sil80 @ Aug. 01 2002,09:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually I will buy them from you know for 160 plus shipping.
Do you have the bars now?
Where did you get them.
Let me know when you want to sell them and I will buy them.

Jesse</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I don't think he has them now, or he'd know how much they weigh &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW, the car on the top says 210sx on the center panel (you can't see it in the pic), why is that?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I think its says RPS13 not 210sx

[fodive]

im down for a set, how much do they weigh?

[AZN GTR]

Ok, looks like a lot of ppl are interested.
Yes, $160 for both. &nbsp;Actually, he told me these are second gen ones, the ones he has are the first gen, and they are black, and that's pretty much the difference if you care.
And yes, my friend has them now, he overstocked them a lot, and all these are from Hong Kong, he got them from Japan though. &nbsp;I am trying to find out how much they weight, because then I would know the shipping. &nbsp;Can someone give me an estimate as to how many kg they weight? &nbsp;Thanks. &nbsp;I am call my friend and ask him too. &nbsp;I will keep you guys informed when I find out everything.

[AZN GTR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ Aug. 01 2002,1:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW, the car on the top says 210sx on the center panel (you can't see it in the pic), why is that?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I think its says RPS13 not 210sx</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The catalog itself is really clear, it says 210sx.

[West]

Id imagine they would be 2-5 lbs.

So in kg thats...

2 lb = 0.7465 kg
3 lb = 1.12 kg
4 lb = 1.493 kg
5 lb = 1.866 kg

When do you think we will be able to get a set of these? Thanks!

[mechaniac]

yo! let me know let me know! I want those bad boys! thanks...email me at [email protected] if you can. &nbsp;Thanks! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> &nbsp;:!:

[transient]

I don't have the cash right now, but i'd definately be down for a set when I do.

[AZN GTR]

Ok, he said it's about 8kg for a set before any packaging, 1kg=2.2pounds, so shipping is like $100 for air parcel, and that's freaking outragous, I didn't know they weight that much! &nbsp;I will call DHL first and let you guys know.

[fodive]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AZN GTR @ Aug. 01 2002,11:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, he said it's about 8kg for a set before any packaging, 1kg=2.2pounds, so shipping is like $100 for air parcel, and that's freaking outragous, I didn't know they weight that much! I will call DHL first and let you guys know.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
is there a cheaper way to ge tthem shipped, i know migs was going to ge this KGMMs by boat...anyway we could do something like that, i dont mind waiting if i dont have to pay $100 fo shipping

*edit...does the rear cross-bar come wiht this for $160 or is it just the F + R ladder bars?

[MasterOFDrift]

Yes put me down for one too. I don't mind waiting either if it brings the shipping down.

Email - [email protected]

[sykikchimp]

So what is the differences b/w 1st gen and 2nd gen??

[SR20Fastback]

Im definately intrested, what about that cross bar? How much would one of those be? Please find out about an alternative for shipping, 100 bucks is a lot of money to me.

[anotheraznguy]

i would like all 3 bars in black please
=)
so when is this going to happen

[AZN GTR]

First off, who would be interested in front and rear ladder bars for $260 shipped? &nbsp;I will take care of those first. &nbsp;Thanks. &nbsp;Leave you email here.

[sil80]

I sent you my email in PM.

How do you plan on doing the money transaction? Paypal, money order, me coming to your door step?

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AZN GTR @ Aug. 01 2002,11:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, he said it's about 8kg for a set before any packaging, 1kg=2.2pounds, so shipping is like $100 for air parcel, and that's freaking outragous, I didn't know they weight that much! I will call DHL first and let you guys know.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Those prices are totally bogus. &nbsp;I got my whole Whiteline suspension kit shipped air parcel from Australia to me in Illinois via TNT Shipping (courier service for customs) for $120. &nbsp;And that included:

4 Koni shocks
4 springs
2 sway bars
full bushing set.

You are getting raped.

Eric

[West]

22,000 Yen = 180$

So, IMO id say its not a bad deal. You should see about better shipping rates.

I am down for a set, my email is [email protected]

[fodive]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AZN GTR @ Aug. 02 2002,1:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">First off, who would be interested in front and rear ladder bars for $260 shipped? I will take care of those first. Thanks. Leave you email here.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
dude, youve got to find better shipping. if not i geuss im still down for a set *sigh* &nbsp;my email is [email protected] , il &nbsp;pm you too

[sykikchimp]

I'm down for a set too. &nbsp;[email protected]

I agree w/ everyone on shipping.

[AZN GTR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uiuc240 @ Aug. 02 2002,1:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AZN GTR @ Aug. 01 2002,11:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, he said it's about 8kg for a set before any packaging, 1kg=2.2pounds, so shipping is like $100 for air parcel, and that's freaking outragous, I didn't know they weight that much! I will call DHL first and let you guys know.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Those prices are totally bogus. I got my whole Whiteline suspension kit shipped air parcel from Australia to me in Illinois via TNT Shipping (courier service for customs) for $120. And that included:

4 Koni shocks
4 springs
2 sway bars
full bushing set.

You are getting raped.

Eric</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I called DHL, FedEx, Post office, and UPS, some of them said it's about $200, the cheapest was Post Office, but anyways, do you know what company you used to ship that stuff?
If I do surface mail, the price is about $50, but I heard they take months to get to the U.S. and there is no option of insurance.

[mazdog240]

I definately want a set. &nbsp;Even if it does cost $100 to ship. Please keep me informed. I don't know of anyone else that imports these, I think they would be huge sellers if someone could have stock on hand and keep the price reasonable. $160 is a great price.

let me know what the deal is @ [email protected]

[fodive]

OK, one quick questions for you guys, whats the install on these htings...do you have to weld them on? or do you just drill holes in the subframe and bolt them on?

[AZN GTR]

GOOD NEWS PEOPLE!!!!!!! &nbsp;
Just got a set &nbsp;because someone told me he was willing to pay $260 for them, however, after I got them, I weighted them, they only weight 6kg, not 8kg that he told me. &nbsp;The shipping is now $75, a little cheaper, better than $100. &nbsp;Here is the pic:
PICTURE (http://www.geocities.com/silviaparts2000//lbs.html)
I will be going back to NJ tomorrow, but I won't be bring any back, I will email everyone once I get back, and my friend will ship them from Hong Kong.

[AZN GTR]

BTW, I also have pic of the fender flares on a car, but I have no time to find the other post. &nbsp;Let me know if anyone like to order those. &nbsp;
Fender Flares (http://www.geocities.com/silviaparts2000/vincentff.html)

[MasterOFDrift]

I Want a set

Email: [email protected]

[AZN GTR]

I am really to sell these bars now, if you left your email address in the post before, you have already gotten an email from me, if you want to order, email [email protected]

[AZN GTR]

Actually, I will just post what I sent to people on here:

Dear Zilvia.net members,

You are receiving this emal from me because you have left your email address on my post saying that you were interested in purchasing the ladder bars. &nbsp;

The total for a set of front and rear ladder bars would be $235 shipped. &nbsp;They are made by Do-Luck, black, new, comes with instructions in Japanese, and comes with screws and stuff. &nbsp;They will be sent by speed post, usually takes 72 hours to get to the U.S. &nbsp;They will be shipped from Hong Kong. &nbsp;Please feel free to ask any questions. &nbsp;

Payment methods are Paypal (please add 3% of total for the fee) and money order (Money order could be sent to NJ address, because that's where I am, but my friend will send the bars from Hong Kong) &nbsp;Paypal payment could be sent to this email address. &nbsp;Thank you.

Francisco Cheng



my email is [email protected]

[anotheraznguy]

hey where do you live in nj..
id like to come to your place
give you the money
then that way i know where u live if u do something shady
=)

[AZN GTR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (anotheraznguy @ Aug. 08 2002,11:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hey where do you live in nj..
id like to come to your place
give you the money
then that way i know where u live if u do something shady
=)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
sure, email [email protected], I just don't wanna put it on here.

[sykikchimp]

If you want to charge more b/c we are paying with paypal, just give us the total for it. &nbsp;not 3%.

So 242.05? &nbsp;via paypal...?

[S14Pilot]

We still haven't answered the installation question.

How do these things attach to the car? &nbsp;Welds, bolts, etc?

Do we need to drill into the subframe or do they attach to pre-existing holes?

Just wondering. &nbsp;It might effect whether or not I get 'em.

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S14Pilot @ Aug. 09 2002,6:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We still haven't answered the installation question.

How do these things attach to the car? Welds, bolts, etc?

Do we need to drill into the subframe or do they attach to pre-existing holes?

Just wondering. It might effect whether or not I get 'em.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
you remove the bolt that hold the subframe up, put spacer in place, put bolt through spacer, and back through subrame bushing.. &nbsp;torque to specs. &nbsp;done.

[AZN GTR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ Aug. 09 2002,11:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you want to charge more b/c we are paying with paypal, just give us the total for it. not 3%.

So 242.05? via paypal...?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Sorry, so it's $242 then.
BTW, just a reminder, they only fit S13s.

[nismo270r]

damn...I wish I had an S13...242 for both front AND rear ladder bars is a helluva deal. &nbsp;IIRC, a guy on the 240 list was going to pay near 300 a PIECE for his S14 ones! &nbsp;He ended up just getting the RXB. &nbsp;If you can get a hold of these for the S14, definitely hit me up!

[mazdog240]

Just wanted to let you all know that I order a set on Thurs, i believe, and today I got a email with from Francisco saying that they had been shipped out of Hong Kong already. &nbsp;I will keep you all posted, but so far so good and this is a killer price for both!!!!

[sil80]

I have also sent payment. So we will see how it goes. Went to his web site (http://www.geocities.com/hongkongcarstuff/) and noticed he is also selling a carbon fiber head light scope(s13).

[808rps13]

anyone have an update on this? i just transfered payment (Paypal) on the 10th (sat). i was hoping to get a repsonse from him (AZNGTR) confirming that he received my payment.

[AZN GTR]

If you ordered the bars and having gotten confirmation that I shipped them out already, please email me at [email protected]

[808rps13]

got it (confirmation) and a tracking # too <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>, thanks Francisco!

[sykikchimp]

I will be ordering from you on the 15th.. (payday)

[AZN GTR]

The first order of these bars were sent last Thursday, and I was told by the Post Office that it will take a week to get to the buyer, however, I went on the US postal service web site, and the tracking number is still not working, that means the item is neither not in the US or the tracking number just doesn't work somehow. &nbsp;But those who order, please don't freak out yet, give it a couple days, and people who got the item will come on here to proof to you that I am honest with this. &nbsp;Thanks.

[mazdog240]

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>
I got the bars today. Iwas surprised to have them here when I got home, since it has been less than a week since i ordered. They were well packaged and it perfect condition.
If anyone has pics of these installed and can give some better idea as too how and where they actually mount up that would be nice. They do come with bolts.
peace
Jesse

[sil80]

maz - did your tracking number ever work?

also do the bars actually say do-luck on them?

[AZN GTR]

For some reason, I put in his tracking number and it still doesn't work even though he got them already, but the post office told me it would work, so I am not sure. &nbsp;
I didn't really pay attention as to if they say Do Luck on it, but there is a instruction and it did say Do Luck on the bottom.

[mazdog240]

nope the tracking number never worked (I only tried it twice before they showed up). I do not see anywhere that says Do-Luck. On the instruction sheet it does say Do-Luck and there tele number. And they are black no chromed like the ones on the Do-Luck website ( i think I might get mine powder coated blue). Does say "all 13 50015 RLB" and "all 13 50010 FLB" on the mounting plates.

[sil80]

Have you installed them yet hotrod?
If you so what diff do you see in the handling of your car? How long did it take you to install.

[mazdog240]

Not sure if you are referring to me as "hotrod" but if you are, No i have not installed the bars yet. My car is still in its very early stages of reconstruction, still has stock blown motor in it. It just to damn hot here in Arizona to work on it, so I just keep gathering parts and in a another month or two its on.

[blink0r]

If you can get me a pair i'll also take them... i'm from canada.

Please let me know. [email protected] Thanks a lot.

[sr20mofo]

just wondering if anyone else has ordered and received them yet???

[808rps13]

just received the bars in the mail this afternoon. tracking # still shows no record of it, even though the bars are on the floor right next to me.

... as mazdog240 stated, they're black and only have numbers stamped on them.

... can someone else who received the bars check to see how many bolts, washers, and lock washers were in w/ the RLB? since there are only bolts (no nuts) i'm assuming that it screws right into somewhere on the subframe?

a few other random thoughts:

looking over the Do-Luck website I noticed a little side note the says: "S13 Super HICAS car installing failure"... so i figure they mean it can't be installed on an S13 w/ Super HICAS. strange that it would fit on an RPS13 (w/ HICAS) and not an S13 (w/ HICAS). would anyone by chance know why? also, would this mean that it would not work on Canadian S13 coupes (which i think were available w/ Super HICAS)?

anyways, just wanted to let you guys know that Francisco's a man of his word! thanks for the great buy...

[bing]

i dont believe coupes can have hicas.

glad to see this is going good, may be the deal of the year, i cant wait for my student loan, then it's do-luck time...

i am also very interested in finding out how to install these things

[planb]

Im going to play devils advocate. &nbsp;when I hear $160 for front AND rear DOLUCK ladder bars, from HK, a little light in my head turns on and screams IMITATION! COPY! FAKE!... its just TOO good. &nbsp;Please do not take this personally!! Im interested in buying these, but I just want to make sure they are the real deal! &nbsp;1, Ive never seen or heard of the black, 1st gen ones... kind of fishy. &nbsp;The fact that they come from HK, the land of imitation arouses some doubts. &nbsp;because they come with instructions from do luck only tells me that someone has a photo copy machine. &nbsp;Most of all, $80 for a product that retails for 22,000 yen ($187) is a dead give away. &nbsp;If you can PROVE to me that these are DOLUCK products, youve got another customer.

And has anyone installed these yet? is anyone who bought them able to take hi res close up pics of the bars... ie the welds and such.

Once again, just playing devils advocate, nothing personal.

[mazdog240]

Your thougths on these being fake knock-offs is very possible I have not seen any conclusive evidence that these truly are Do-Luck products, but the way I see it is that if these are knocks the are high-quality not some back of the shop in HK crap. ALL the welds and construction seems very well done, I would think it was computer/robotic welded, or some rather skilled welder. Anyways for the price you really can't beat them fake or not.

As far as bolts go I have:
FLB has 2 medium size bolts and washers
RLB has 2 medium and 1 smaller bolts and washers
What do you have?

[planb]

Ill just have to wait for some high res pics, or for a review from someone who has installed them! &nbsp;you are right.... the price is very tempting... Ive just had bad experiences with knock offs!

[sil80]

Well I have yet to get mine... still waiting... *yawn*... *pick nose*....

If I dont have mine by wednesday... .... ... ... I will wait longer.
Soon as I get mine(tomorrow probably) I will install them asap.... coooooool.

[obruT ES 41S 79&#39;]

My Do-Luck FLB comes with silver sticker that says "Do-Luck FLB"

My Do-Luck RLB comes with silver sticker that says "Do-Luck RLB"

My Do-Luck RXB comes with silver badge that says "Do-Luck RXB"

First two was bought through importers directly from Japan. RXB was brought from old Do-Luck importer, Avanche.

tyyap

[808rps13]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mazdog240 @ Aug. 18 2002,5:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Your thougths on these being fake knock-offs is very possible I have not seen any conclusive evidence that these truly are Do-Luck products, but the way I see it is that if these are knocks the are high-quality not some back of the shop in HK crap. ALL the welds and construction seems very well done, I would think it was computer/robotic welded, or some rather skilled welder. Anyways for the price you really can't beat them fake or not.

As far as bolts go I have:
FLB has 2 medium size bolts and washers
RLB has 2 medium and 1 smaller bolts and washers
What do you have?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
the thought had also crossed my mind (about these being knock-offs). the first thing i looked at was the quality of the welds, which IMO are very clean. for the price i guess you can't really go wrong (or can you?, see below).

bolts: i received the amount that you listed...

i was just under the car this afternoon trying to figure how to install the RLB. the RLB is suppose to install in between the fuel tank and bumper. one side uses the existing bolts(?) that are on the bracket for the exhaust hangers, the other side, well that's kinda where i ran into a little problem... i can't seem to get the RLB bracket to sit flush... one of the straps for the fuel tank gets in the way and the shape of the bracket (on the bar itself) doesn't seem to allow the bar to fit in just right (it hits the bumper).

i'd like to think that i'm not hopeless <shrug> and i suppose that i could've figured it out, but it was getting too damn hot (90+ degrees)... i'll try again later on in the week and hopefully i won't run into any problems w/ the front <crossing fingers>...

-edit- i took some pics and started a new thread http://www.zilvia.net/f....t=14781 (http://www.zilvia.net/f/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=1;t=14781)

[mazdog240]

Hey Francisco
I 'd like to hear any comments you have on this? I personally have not installed my bars yets, so I will bite my tongue for the most part.

[AZN GTR]

I have no idea now if these are fake or real, everyone is saying they are fake, and I don't know what to do. &nbsp;I will definitely call my friend and see if he's been lying to me about them being Doluck. &nbsp;I only seen them once when i was in Hong Kong, and they looked like they were very well made, and came with a paper that says Doluck on the bottom, so I thought there wouldn't be a problem. &nbsp;He told me he had many of these and he told me to see if I could sell them to the US for him, which I did, now, I am probably screwed for helping him. &nbsp;I will find out and keep you guys updated on this.

[sil80]

Well I got my supposable doluck bars today. Both.. yep both plastic bags had holes in them. I have two bolts in one bag with some washers and not shit in the other. OOO Lucky me.

[planb]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sil80 @ Aug. 22 2002,4:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well I got my supposable doluck bars today. Both.. yep both plastic bags had holes in them. I have two bolts in one bag with some washers and not shit in the other. OOO Lucky me.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

[sil80]

Well I just hit home depot and got a bunch of extra bolts and washer so hopefully it will work. after inspection of the bars I would have to say that I highly dought they are do luck. From other people I have talked to that have do-luck products they all say they are kick ass and high quality. My dad welded(I still dont know how) and I can tell you these bars my not be shit but they could be better. The welds are not smooth/professional at all but you can tell it will hold and thats all that matters. Bars do come in black... just dont expect them to stay that way. Mine are all scratch up already and I just got them out of the box. Disappointed.... kinda but hell you get what you paid for. I think someone that is a machinest should bust some of these out.

Side note - I got my subframe spacers from Greg dupree and let me tell you, this stuff is good quility. Like quality you would expect from zeal, nismo or sparco.

[sil80]

Hahahaha... Well I can assure you that you have to drill holes(TWO) in the passanger side RLB end, good luck!
Well I snapped the bolts that hold in the exhaust hing. No suprise since it was hella rusted. I tried to line the bar up and I think either it wasnt made right, my car has been rearend slightly, or im gimp.... could be any of those. Leaning towards a slight tap to the rear but after yesterdays b&m short shifter escapade(sp?) it could be im gimp. Also the gas tank holder/strap on the passenger side is in the way by about 4-8cm's, so you end up pushing against it.. again could be that my car has been tapped in the rear.
This is just a heads up to what you might run into if anyone else trys this.

[sil80]

Progress report -
Rear ladder bar is on....... oooooo is it so not even. If you step back about 10-15 and crouch you can see the driver side curved portion fine tell you get to the middle but you cannot see the passengers side because its up in the bumper.. OOO you ask how that is possible. Well you see with a grinder you can make things disappear... like portions of the bumper. If you see the doluck pick you can see how the whole bottom of the bar is visable. On my S13 the passanger side of the bar/curve was pressing against the back edge of the bumper which was limiting the holes(I drilled) to line up with the factory holes.
Doesnt look like it caused my chassie to set off so im going to finish bolting her up and test it. If it brakes well...

[planb]

hahaha..... and everyone was saying "these are good quality!" hahaha... just poking fun. &nbsp;That sucks man.... &nbsp;I wouldnt even leave it on my car if it was crooked, its not going to function correctly. lol...

[sil80]

Ok back one on and it seems all right.
Lets talk about the front one..... 10 mins... yep thats it... 10 mins. It does try to hide from you though. There are rubber fillers in the hole that are hard to see if you car is a dirt ball like mine. To give you an idea where it sets... the center/middle of the bar will right in front/below the tran/engine connection.
I took it around and you can really feel a diff. Im not sure how you guys drive your cars but i drive mine hard and it shows. So when I pushed it I was suprised on the limited chassie flex and how even the body role was. Before body role would be diff depending on speed I took a corner. Not now, it seems to pretty limited no matter the speed.. well at least up to 65(tight hwy curve). I am still running stock shocks on the ST coils.
Well I assume if your ride has never had rear end damage(I didnt think mine ever did) the rear will go just as smooth but if it has... bust out the grinder our hit the body shop. Really I dont care cause its not enough to cause an issue now and im sure I will get even cockier and wreck soon anyways so I will have it take care of then.
Well now I need to but the subframe spacers on......
its 1:30 so sorry for any spelling/sentance screw ups....

AZN - Im still disappointed in you and false advertisment and product quality. Hope this changes the way you do business in the future.