S13: 17x10 Fitment Up Front? What size tires in the rear?

['90RPS13]

Yes, I searched, here and on FA. No luck with anyone with fitment up front with Tein HR's. Can it be done? How much rolling? Tire size suggestions too please. Thanks. *a

[ThatGuy]

9" Is typically the most anyone runs in the front. Above 9" you start running into clearance problems. Not just the fender lip, but the inner fender as well. Not saying it CAN'T be done, just saying it is probably more work than it's worth.

[clutch kick drifter]

why? Thats kinda crazy, ive got 18x9 up front and they rub.

[vanish1]

this is why the wheel fitment whore thread sucks hard and the master guide for buying wheels rocks

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=82859&highlight=master+buying+guide

[Ian]

Fitment is completely subjective


Chmercer runs 18x10's up front...

he drifts with them


he made it work



if you really want it to work, you'll figure it out on your own

[ThatGuy]

Mercer also has an S14.

[liv2drift045]

17x10 +16 on my s13 before i wrecked it...adjusting camber was hell tho because it BARELY cleared my tein hr's and my z brakes... but it worked... w/ 215/45's and rolled w/ SLIGHT pull front stock fenders...but yea i put the same wheels on the cefiro w/ same offset same tires, but that has overfednders... damn skyline fitment sucks

[staygold24]

why put that much up front so youll have to stretch the same tires over it? just go with 9 if you an s13 s14s are easier to fit and look at gsracer hes done it... with a pull

[Nizzan4u2nv]

17x10 +16 on my s13 before i wrecked it...adjusting camber was hell tho because it BARELY cleared my tein hr's and my z brakes... but it worked... w/ 215/45's and rolled w/ SLIGHT pull front stock fenders...but yea i put the same wheels on the cefiro w/ same offset same tires, but that has overfednders... damn skyline fitment sucks

If youre adjust camber from the plate it wouldnt matter because the spindle is gonna move with the coilover so the distance between the coilover and tire/wheel would stay the same.

It depends on offset whether it will fit or not. You need a low enough offset to clear the coilover. Youre gonna have to measure that and not all coilovers have the same clearance. With enough stretch, camber, correct offset and fender mods it can be done.

[Ian]

Mercer also has an S14.

Well it's not like it fits easily on either one...

The point is, the work he's done on his car to fit the 18x10 -7 or w/e is pretty extensive.




I agree with what's been said already. If you're only going to run a 215 tire, why run a 10 inch wide wheel?

[ThatGuy]

Fair enough. :bow:

It just seems easier to me to fit larger wheels on an S14 than an S13.

['90RPS13]

^~~I would think bigger wheels on a S14 would be easier too man.

So I am thinking 17x10 +25 or should I go higher offset to help clear?

I am not going 215/45 with a stretch, I was thinking 225/40 or higher but then again it goes back to clearence issues. Thats why I asked for pics and what people have worked so far.

8gglant, Do you have pics of the S13?

*a

PS: I am going FN's.

[Jefferson]

No you might want something lower than +25
If I remember correctly Tein coilovers usually have a little less clearance from wheel to shock than other coilovers

[Ian]

go with the 17x10 +25 and space...I'm assuming you're going with FN01's? there aren't a whole lot of other 17x10's out there

[Bushido]

17x10 +25 has 26mm less clearance on the inside of the wheel than a 17x9 +12, but they sit the same on the outside...
you're gonna need at least a 15mm spacer to clear, depending on what kind of coilover you're running.
the fact is, its going to take alot of bullshit to get them to work, and they are still going to be gay FN's... so you may as well get a proper size width to begin with.

[KA24DESOneThree]

I wouldn't run anything less than a +0 on the front of the car. No coilover clearance problems with that.

Then again, I wouldn't stretch a 225 on a 10. Run a 9, be happy with it. It'll have a stretch and it'll work better than a 10.

If you were a grip guy I'd be saying other things, but you're just some stretch-happy peen-arse.

[staygold24]

its not worth the trouble to me with all the headaches of clearance and everything but its your car so you do what you want but 225/40's can fit on much smaller rims and look better IMO.

What are your plans for the car? Something with that much stretch would likely understeer a lot I THINK.

[liv2drift045]

If youre adjust camber from the plate it wouldnt matter because the spindle is gonna move with the coilover so the distance between the coilover and tire/wheel would stay the same.

It depends on offset whether it will fit or not. You need a low enough offset to clear the coilover. Youre gonna have to measure that and not all coilovers have the same clearance. With enough stretch, camber, correct offset and fender mods it can be done.

i adjusted camber from the bottom (top bolt on the spindle) to clear the wheels...the spacers were more to clear the brakes than anything, but once i cleared the caliper, and adjusted the camber again it worked...

why do it? cuz i just wanted to see if i could fit 10j's up front w/ stock fenders and it worked (on the s13-no suck luck on a stock bodied cefiro but i have over fenders so...)

and i had no problems w/ understeer

[CKAMC]

17x10 +25 is more like rear wheel offset

I have to go with what others here say and a lower offset will be a better idea unless your grabbing some spacers.

17x10 +5 is my vote and I think your going to be working on inner clearance as well... not talkin about coils or brakes more like the metal that sticks out on the inner fender area... shit tore up a friends tires at the but he was running some pretty square tires on his 9's that had the right offset

[gsracer]

10 inch +20 at the minimum for the front. I run 10 +18 with a 265 in the front of my s14 with stock fenders, although they are 18's, I had to clearance quite a bit on the inner fenders.

['90RPS13]

Thanks, If need be I can tub the damn thing out for hella fitment. I just want to see what my options were. On stock body, that is.

Right now its either rims or a kit. Might as well get rims and deal with stock body then a nice ass kit with whack rims? Plus the rims I can benefit from.

StayGold24: Car is being built for drifting.

KADESonethree: Sorry I am not a "grip" guy. haha. I was thinking more or less 225/40 as a base to start to see what sizes I can fit, asshat. If I can get away with a larger size, I will definately go with it.

Thanks for all posi responses. *a

[Rayne]

With 25mm or 30mm over fenders 10's will fit up front without much problem. The real question is: Do you want to put after market wide fenders on your car?

[seekanddestroy]

10s would poke from stock fenders..

9s will be just about flush with the PERFECT offset, ie, millimeters of clearance from the coilovers.

[CrazyIvan]

On my s13 I got up front
18x10 -7 -- 235/40/18
maxed out camber plates
30mm wide fenders
hammered wheel tubs

no rubbing issues (car is not slammed)

[Ian]

Since nobody else has pointed it out....


You're not going to find a 225/40/17 in a decent tire

['90RPS13]

^~~~Pics ivan?

*a

[DJPimpFlex]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=124789&highlight=17x10

owned? jk I started the thread thats why I remember it. I bought a pair of 5ziggen's 17x10+12, and Im DEFINATLY running those in the rear, so I bought the tires for the rear. Going to try and make em fit in the front and if it doenst work out I'll buy 9's. I have widebody though so it shouldnt be a problem. ~10mm spacers and a nice hammer for the inner wheel wells.

[blackflag_Rms13]

You're not going to find a 225/40/17 in a decent tire
QFT. Don't go around calling people asshat's because you obviously didn't do your homework. The only thing you'll find in 225/40/17 is those shitty Nitto's. You obviously haven't searched hard enough. 17x10 isn't that big of a deal. Doing it on stock, albeit rolled/pulled, fenders will probably be a pain in the ass. I think that PDM car has 17x10's all around with some big ass rubber on flares. If you're set on stock fenders, that's your call. Some aftermarket fenders and you'll have no problem with that size...

[smelly240]

^^^ i love you -
if u wanna be baller - u get the big fenders or do the crazy mofo pull... but you should do 235/40/17... look at dousan's rears he has 245s on a 10.5 - ballerjuice ;)

[yokotas13]

10s would poke from stock fenders..

9s will be just about flush with the PERFECT offset, ie, millimeters of clearance from the coilovers.
shut the fuck up

18x9 +20 was flush as hail, with like plenty of clearance on the coilovers nad brakes

[smelly240]

you will prolly need a ps cooler or you'll kill pumps with the big meat up front.

['90RPS13]

Well I am ordering them Wednesday. 17x10's +12 all four corners. 235/40/17 out front, and either 245 or 255 out back. Thanks Guys. *a

[DJPimpFlex]

^nice welcome to the club. We gotta do a joint write up of how we got them to fit so this doesnt come up, that is if mine ever get here....

[OBEEWON]

Well I am ordering them Wednesday. 17x10's +12 all four corners. 235/40/17 out front, and either 245 or 255 out back. Thanks Guys. *a

Thats the exact size fitment im going with. But Im running the same size tire all the way around so I can rotate.

['90RPS13]

No doubt DJ. I am thinking I am going to have to go 5 lug for these rims too. :Shrugs: would have need them sooner or later. *a

[daredevildoug]

i just ordered 17x10 +12's all the way around as well. but im runnin a bigger tire in the back and a smaller size in the front for better clearance issues. will take pictures of my process. peace and good luck.

-de

['90RPS13]

definately toss some pictures up when your done. what size tires and brand you running? *a

[daredevildoug]

I am running some cheap tires such as federal. For the rears, I have 265/40/17. and for the fronts I have 225/35/17. i just picked up the rims and tires earlier today. i can take some pics as soon as the tires are mounted. Hawaii's roads arent that great, so thats why my profile of the tires are wide.

['90RPS13]

Yeah, I am hoping Las Vegas rd's are better then here in NC. I am thinking 235/40/17 and 255/40/17. I am trying to source 5 lug hubs as we speak so I can be ahead of the game when they get here. *a

[Ian]

Uhhh...please tell me you meant 225/45/17


Because in the event that a 225/35/17 exists...that would be like a bicycle tire's sidewall

[daredevildoug]

no i meant to say 225/40/17

[klohiq]

Since nobody else has pointed it out....


You're not going to find a 225/40/17 in a decent tire

agreed...really the only cheap ones I know of are nitto nt555...which suck ass IMO...I run those exact tires up front (225/40/17) with 215/45/17 kumho 711s...allows for a little extra rotation I think...I'll take all that I can get since I have a FWD right now...

[DJPimpFlex]

I'm running 225/45/17 RT615's up front and 225/45/17 ES100's out back.....can we say streach?

[Nizzan4u2nv]

Since nobody else has pointed it out....


You're not going to find a 225/40/17 in a decent tire

no i meant to say 225/40/17

federal doesnt have a 225/40/17, federals dont really like to stretch that much either. 225/40/18 595s leaked through the seat of my 18x10s cause the sidewall is really stiff.

[harlockssx]

18x9.5" front w/225/40/18, 18x10.5" rear w/255/35/18

Never rubbed anything.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/harlockssx/DSCN0233.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/harlockssx/DSCN0235.jpg

[Nizzan4u2nv]

1. 9.5 arent 10s
2. your car is 2in's from being what a lot of us consider low
3. your offset is something id probably have on a 13j

[Cash]

Fitment is completely subjective


Chmercer runs 18x10's up front...

he drifts with them


he made it work



if you really want it to work, you'll figure it out on your own

yea, but Chmercer got banned. be careful!! ha, jk. if you can make it work, it'll look hot.

[klohiq]

1. 9.5 arent 10s
2. your car is 2in's from being what a lot of us consider low
3. your offset is something id probably have on a 13j

I like the height...even though it's a little conservative compared to a lot of you guys out there.

[Ian]

Nope it looks like garbage


Kind of like those wheels


Where did you get those from? Mexico?

[pileofherpes]

1. 9.5 arent 10s
2. your car is 2in's from being what a lot of us consider low
3. your offset is something id probably have on a 13j

OMG dude we all strive to be just like you. I want a car so I can park it in front of my mom's mini-van in the same place and take 400 pictures of it with different wheels!!! HOW are you so cool?!?!!

Nope it looks like garbage


Kind of like those wheels


Where did you get those from? Mexico?
His car would smoke yours. Maybe when you pull your head out of your ass far enough to see that some people buy these cars to go fast, you will shut the fuck up. Until then I guess you'll just ride Nissan4u2nv's ballsack and tell people what is cool and what isn't.

[Nizzan4u2nv]

OMG dude we all strive to be just like you. I want a car so I can park it in front of my mom's mini-van in the same place and take 400 pictures of it with different wheels!!! HOW are you so cool?!?!!


His car would smoke yours. Maybe when you pull your head out of your ass far enough to see that some people buy these cars to go fast, you will shut the fuck up. Until then I guess you'll just ride Nissan4u2nv's ballsack and tell people what is cool and what isn't.

hahaha youre awesome, no wonder you have so many red squares. People like make the internet so fun. My point was that what he posted really has nothing to do with this thread. I dont believe in e-thuggery. Dont gotta be so defensive, unless you drive a piece of junk too, then I can understand hah.:bigok:

Back on topic, 17x10 +12 all around with 235/40/17 can clear with enough fender mods. Might have to run a small spacer upfront depending on the design of your coilover. If you can find some fk451 in 235/40/17 or if youre luck st115 theyll give you more clearance because of their design. Federal 595s are the opposite.

[Ian]

OMG dude we all strive to be just like you. I want a car so I can park it in front of my mom's mini-van in the same place and take 400 pictures of it with different wheels!!! HOW are you so cool?!?!!


His car would smoke yours. Maybe when you pull your head out of your ass far enough to see that some people buy these cars to go fast, you will shut the fuck up. Until then I guess you'll just ride Nissan4u2nv's ballsack and tell people what is cool and what isn't.


So what. I know mexicans with 5-600hp civic hatches...they rock underglow, tire flys, APC light up exhaust tips and run 10 second quarter miles


Their cars still look like fucking rolling garabage cans


PS.

Suck my dick

[pileofherpes]

lol did i strike a nerve?

[OptionZero]

like a cavity

[Ian]

Yeah, when you were born.

Kill yourself

['90RPS13]

Hey :aw: , unless it deals with 17x10 nerves or cavities or any other bullshit, start a thread in off topic. :bigok:

[a_ahmed]

I want to run 255/40/17 with 17x10 +12 is that doable? Front and rear.

I don't want dorifto jdm tyte stretch style with 225, or even 235, 245/40/17 is minimum I would fit. 255 to 275/40/17 is what I'd like, in fact I would LOVE to fit 275/40/17 all around. I dont want to run staggered setups.

Anyways, whats up? :P

I'm with an s13.

[xtreme_s14]

it's do-able.. try it out and let us know how that works out!

[DRFT180]

I run a 17x9.5 +18 with 235/40 all around. It's really tight, but no spacers are needed up front, just a little hammering if the fender lip. 10's +12 with a 235/40 should fit nicely with a little hammering.

http://www.delta-scca.org/2007/events/05/06/pics/images/DSC_0367.jpg

not the best pic but you get the idea of the fitment in the front

[idrum2loud]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/WrxRaceR/engine.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/WrxRaceR/back.jpg
DO IT!!!! Stretch that shit!

[S13-Silvia]

If I remember right the car above have a couple of spacers on all around and 235/40 or 245/40 all around. By the way, any more pics of the car in your sig idrum2loud?

[fliprayzin240sx]

I ran 17x10 +12 FNs all around under stock fenders w/ S14. I had -2 camber up front and had to run 8mm spacers to clear my MR coilovers. 235/40 and 245/40 17s. Reason for the 235/40s is because thats the only tire size for my front that wont rub onto the wiring harness bushing thing inside the driver side wheel well and I did have full lock with minimum rubbing. If it rubs somewhere, bust out the hammer. I pulled my fenders a good 2 inches. Pulled so much that i had to use bondo to smooth out the creases on the fender. Ill post better pix when I get home since work wont let me get in photobucket.

245/45 all around...used corvette tires for free
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10017/normal_Pxr3%20024.jpg
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10017/normal_Pxr3%20024.jpg
You pretty much have to crease it cost the metal just wont expand anymore. The more I tried to pull it, the more it bows and pulls in the sides.

235/40 up front and 255/40 rears, lowered and some bondo layed on the fenders
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10017/normal_Picture%20019.jpg
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10017/normal_Picture%20026.jpg

Then before I sold it, I re-did the bondo and rolled the fenders to smooth it out better using a blow torch to stretch the fenders as much as I could.
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10017/normal_P11000010.JPG
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10017/normal_P1010064.JPG
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10017/normal_P1010070.JPG

[S13-Silvia]

I'm thinking about getting some 17x10 Fn's all around and am wondering how 215/45 Falken Zeix 512's would look on them. Does anyone have pics of that or similar size?

[fliprayzin240sx]

I'm thinking about getting some 17x10 Fn's all around and am wondering how 215/45 Falken Zeix 512's would look on them. Does anyone have pics of that or similar size?

215/45? You planning on driving on the sidewalls cuz thats what youre gonna be doing. Also, good luck finding somebody to mount those...

[liv2drift045]

haha dont let him scare ya i rocked 215/45's on a 10j up front haha
had some understeer though... but hey just gotta change the way u drive no biggie, i got used to it and bam no more (or very little i should say) understeer :P

[Matej]

You can do it if this guy can fit 18x11.5's up front with stock fenders.

http://www.philmorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/S13wide.jpg

[arkive43]

I'm thinking about getting some 17x10 Fn's all around and am wondering how 215/45 Falken Zeix 512's would look on them. Does anyone have pics of that or similar size?



225/40 would be a better size man.....and that hatch is crazie the rear shots are insane he has so much camber its like rollin on 3-4 inches of rubber rest in in the air lol...

[S13-Silvia]

I wish 225/40/17 was made by more tire manufacturers cause thats what I would get instead of the 215. I'm going to try and fit these all around on stock rolled fenders with spacers up front to clear coils, I'm going to run a little over -3 camber up front, but I don't think I can fit 235/40 under the fenders because I plan on tucking tire.

[liv2drift045]

i think you'll be fine w/ 225/45's rather than nitto 40 series... i had those on cr kais (nexan tires) and they were a decent stretch 9.5... so on a 10 it'll be tight

[slownslurious]

You can't fit 17x10 or larger up front without hitting something there just isn't room... its about 245 mm's from the fender lip to the shock tower along the plane where the tire is...
ideal offset would probably be about 25 or so but that would require at least a good roll.

[liv2drift045]

?? I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to say. We know you have to make modifications to make it fit, but it DOES fit... you just have to work for it. I've personally (and a few others in this thread) 10j up front and i didnt rub/hit shit.

[slownslurious]

if you have to modify it to fit then it doesn't fit without modifications.
so if someone says "what fits" then you would have to say, that doesn't fit. unless you modify it.

[liv2drift045]

I'm pretty sure thats been said above. If most people say they can "barely" fit 9j various offsets/tire sizes up front, it wouldn't be wrong to assume your going to have to work to get 10j's to fit.

[S13-Silvia]

If you didn't have to do modification to fit your wheels, you probably have sunken wheels.

[slownslurious]

well anything will fit if you modify it enough. I run semi truck wheels on my 240. well, I don't, but give me a torch and 15 mins and I could. just needs some modification.

['90RPS13]

omg. i started this thread about 3-4 months ago. went just fine. now Slownslurious is argueing about not fitting without mods. WE FUCKING ESTABLISHED THAT ON PAGE 1. What are you trying to prove? Your beating a dead bird, and guess whats, its already D.E.D.....DEAD.

[liv2drift045]

haha seriously... please close this shit...

good luck fitting your semi truck wheels ass

[slownslurious]

they look sweet they are alcoas
plus now I can carry 72,000 lbs in teh trunk

[slownslurious]

omg. i started this thread about 3-4 months ago. went just fine. now Slownslurious is argueing about not fitting without mods. WE FUCKING ESTABLISHED THAT ON PAGE 1. What are you trying to prove? Your beating a dead bird, and guess whats, its already D.E.D.....DEAD.

arguing has no e. this thread only has one page. I do not beat any birds, dead or alive. I just roll on 22" duallys with like 21 lugs. DORIFTO 4 LIFE HOMIE

[slownslurious]

now I need to get my cdl so I can drive it to the drift events

[liv2drift045]

i wish i had a cdl... i have a few friends that have em.. dudes are gettin paid... truck driver ftw

['90RPS13]

Well together were illiterate. You cant read and I cant spell. This page obviously has 3 pages.

[slownslurious]

only has one page for me do you have your forum view set to something unusually short?

and yes cdl drivers do get paid bank. I am an attorny I have 80,000 in student loan debt and I make $38 an hour. my brother is a high school graduate with CDL working for the railroad making $36.

[KiDyNomiTe]

I am too lazy to read this thread, but I ran 18x10 +3 on 20mm overs with 225/40s, fit great. Soon to be running 18x10 +11 235/40s, I think...

Requires a lot of camber. 10+18 (what my wheels are before spacer), barely clears, like maybe 1mm.

[fliprayzin240sx]

I am too lazy to read this thread, but I ran 18x10 +3 on 20mm overs with 225/40s, fit great. Soon to be running 18x10 +11 235/40s, I think...

Requires a lot of camber. 10+18 (what my wheels are before spacer), barely clears, like maybe 1mm.

What suspension are you running? I had to slide 8mm spacers on my FNs to barely clear the MR coilover's springs. So basiclaly had to run 17x10 +4mm. Been told that MRs design sucks for clearance and other coilovers have more room....is that true?

[liv2drift045]

He's running stance bro its in his sig... SHEESH haha j/k man.
Yea I've heard the same about megans, but I was on Tein HA or HR's can't remember and I needed quite a bit of space to clear the coilover too (though I'm not sure how much because most of my spacing was to clear calipers, once I cleared them the shock was clear as well).

[KiDyNomiTe]

Yea I run stance.

And to those saying 10s are too much, meh, theres a lot of things I and many of you do to your cars thats a bit much.... But you do it anyways... I would probably never run 9s anymore. 9.5 are the perfect size up front for me. 10s is more just for the hell of it.