Rear over fenders vs pull

[beetlejuice]

I'm contemplating either a set of Origin Lab rear overfenders for my hatchback versus just pulling my rear fenders 1/2"-3/4".

There was a local guy who rented me his fender roller a few months ago, but now that I've been thinking about pulling them I can't get ahold of him.

For those who have gone the route of installing rear overfenders, any insight, rants, pics, or reviews would be greatly appreciated.

As well, what did you do with the body underneath the fender (paint match, primer, etc)?

How much did you cut from the body?

What did you do regarding rust prevention, etc?

The car will be a daily driver and see some track time.

thanks in advance,

Daniel

[Ca_laurier]

what are you wheels spec's first?

[Dousan_PG]

can you do the over fenders all yourself? meaning cutting and welding?

if not, just do the pull

if u can do it yourself, then do the over fenders.

of course, as mentioned, what are your wheel specs??

[KiDyNomiTe]

If you get the roller, then attempt it, if you can pull it far enough and not boink it, then keep it. But if you mess it up buy the fenders.

I went the overfender way (30mm), and I like this method more, I am becoming less of a fan of the pull look. In order to do it you need to cut an arch out, about an inch over the trim line in the body. Then pull the two pieces apart and weld them together.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/dd9b.jpg

[TougeLabs]

i went with the vertex over fenders i wasnt to happy with the gas door insert so i had to spend about a week screwin with the stock door to mate up and had to build pretty much the skin of the door from scrath but the end result was awesome ill shoot up a link when i get a chance

[wwwyzzerr]

In order to do it you need to cut an arch out, about an inch over the trim line in the body. Then pull the two pieces apart and weld them together.

You make it sound a lot easier than what me and my dad have been doing. We cut a trapezoidal shape out of the rear quarters then cut the inner fender out added about 2"-3" (maybe more) of sheet metal and welded the extended inner fender back into place. Then made a piece to fit the outside quarter and welded that onto the now protruding inner fender. Then after some seem sealer and primer/paint the fiberglass over fender will cover it all up.

http://home.mchsi.com/~snousky/pre-overfender.jpg

The passenger side (where the filler neck for the gas tank is) seems like it is going to be somewhat challenging compared to what we have done to the driver side. The neck runs right through the inner fender.

[beetlejuice]

I can do all of the work myself (been doing all my own work for 12+ years).

Rear wheel/offset/tire size combo I'm considering will not fit within stock fenders. I'll need an additional 20mm-50mm of clearance than what the stock body will provide.

If the wheel spec question was tactic to find out if I'm a noob, then I'm flattered. You guys are the best.

Thanks for the info so far.

[mr_240sx]

i think they wanted to know your wheel specs so that they could tell you by experience if a pull will be enough to make them fit thats all and they could also tell you how much camber youll need and what size tires to make it fit.

[smelly240]

^^hes right... i like the pulled look if its done right - but overs look better with the right fitment. i only have 17x9 so i gotta do the rolly/pully til i can be more better :P

if u'r doin sissy wuss offsets like me - pull it

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

^^^^ yep. check out the wheel fitment thread. a bunch of those cars are on pull only with hot sizing. for the most part, it'll come down to if you like the look of a pull or overfenders.

[Ca_laurier]

ya, i am doing 17x9 +17 all around with a bit of a roll

i have just seen to many people add over fenders for wheels that didn't even come close to flush when they should have just done a pull

[Ian]

You make it sound a lot easier than what me and my dad have been doing. We cut a trapezoidal shape out of the rear quarters then cut the inner fender out added about 2"-3" (maybe more) of sheet metal and welded the extended inner fender back into place. Then made a piece to fit the outside quarter and welded that onto the now protruding inner fender. Then after some seem sealer and primer/paint the fiberglass over fender will cover it all up.

http://home.mchsi.com/~snousky/pre-overfender.jpg

The passenger side (where the filler neck for the gas tank is) seems like it is going to be somewhat challenging compared to what we have done to the driver side. The neck runs right through the inner fender.



Is this for overfenders??


That's SOOOO much work that's really unnecessary

[brainfood]

^ I think they are custom all metal flares.

[aa87]

It says ist for the over fender. Way too much work.

[Ian]

Yeah...basically making an extended inner skin for the overs...

One thing that doesn't make sense is if you're going really low, you'll rub, just like really flush on stock quarters...

It's better with overs to just have nothing there because then there's no chance of rubbing

[wwwyzzerr]

So you guys think just cutting it and leaving it all open is the way to go? My dad is pretty convinced that since it is a unibody we would be sacrificing the structural integrity of the car by just leaving all the metal gone...

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

What about rivet on fibreglass over fenders?

[wwwyzzerr]

isn't that what we are talking about?

[Ian]

No what you do is you cut it, and then stretch the 2 pieces towards eachother and spot weld it...then fill the cracks w/ seam sealer to keep smoke out and such...done and done


takes only a few hours

[wwwyzzerr]

cut the lip off and stretch the pieces towards the lip to the over fender?

[McRussellPants]

lord, cut out the arch.

take the inner skin and beat it untill you can bolt/weld/rivet/JB it to the new arch.

done.

or you can do super fab party town because you think it makes your ride cleannnzerrrrrr.

[beetlejuice]

As far as my wheel specs, don't know just yet.

Car has been a "project" since I bought it in October of 2000. Right now it's sitting on jackstands awaiting new aero, and front fenders.

May go with an 18x9/18x10 stagger (225/40 & 245/40). I already have the tires.

But I'm thinking, if I'm getting new front fenders, why not go ahead and pull the rears or get rear over fenders (to balance things out visually).

Looking to run a minimal amount of camber (maybe within stock specs). Want maximum contact patch. Once it's finally running, car should be putting down 350-380hp.

I haven't bought the wheels yet, so I don't have any offset numbers. I keep going back & forth over what wheels I want.

I've been lurking on this site for years, just don't post much. I'm aware of the wheel fitment thread, how low can you go, etc. and have taken notes of other's setups.

I do appreciate all of the help and insight so far.

[GSXRJJordan]

lord, cut out the arch.

take the inner skin and beat it untill you can bolt/weld/rivet/JB it to the new arch.

done.

or you can do super fab party town because you think it makes your ride cleannnzrrrrrr.

Yup yup ~ we did a few sets of Modiride USA's overfenders at the shop I worked at, "rivet on" type but all the body shops we used had to pull our rivets and use double sided tape so they could taper the edges in.

When I did it, I eyeballed an inch and a half to two inches on the top, about an inch on the sides, and got to work with an angle grinder cutoff wheel. Dont think I have any pics though. After you've cut, you hammer what's left of the inner fender outward, so you can weld/rivet and seal the inner to the outer (cause they dont touch any more). Just like everyone said.

If you want to repaint anyway, I'd say do the overfenders, otherwise do the fender pull with a little roll, and be happy.

[punch]

I am not a fan of overfenders. I prefer the pulled and shaped arch with the existing metal. Of course you are limited by the existing amount of metal and the ability to stretch it.

[sncs14]

For .5-.75", just pull it. If that's all you need then overfenders would be overkill. Put that money into other more needed parts.

[Ian]

1...cut a hole in that fender
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/iroche/SSPX0071.jpg

2...weld your junk in that fender
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/iroche/SSPX0072.jpg

3...make her over the fender
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/iroche/2-1.jpg


boomtown

[BOROSUN]

sucks, i got a little pull crazy since i got my own fender roller. now, my 17x8 +7 looks sunken . bleh

[Ian]

17x8 +7 IS sunken...

[SSC299]

from then on if you don't want the riveted look do you just work it with some body filler?

[!Zar!]

17x8 +7 IS sunken...
Lawl. Said just as I would've.


OP: I say go pull up untill a certain size. If you want to fit something in a more custom size then go with an overfender.

[babowc]

how would you do that to the pass. side?
with the gas tank inlet and all...

[jdizzy204]

remove gas cap
do same thing
make a bracket for gas cap on widebody
reinstall gas cap

[g6civcx]

Another option is to install a fuel cell and/or relocate the filler neck.

Just do what others said above. There is no point in doing overfenders if you don't cut out what's underneath unless you just want the widebody looks.

The rear fenders are just metal. As long as you don't have rubbing and it looks okay, don't stress out about it. I'm sure if you have a Nissan there are 10,000 other things that need fixing first :)

[Gumballf355]

http://www.dropshots.com/photos/149/20061206/114945.jpg
Here's Origin-Lab fenders molded. Fenders were pushed to 70mms. 295/30/18 on 0 offset.

[SSC299]

Those fenders look so good after being molded. sexy.

[KiDyNomiTe]

You make it sound a lot easier than what me and my dad have been doing. We cut a trapezoidal shape out of the rear quarters then cut the inner fender out added about 2"-3" (maybe more) of sheet metal and welded the extended inner fender back into place. Then made a piece to fit the outside quarter and welded that onto the now protruding inner fender. Then after some seem sealer and primer/paint the fiberglass over fender will cover it all up.

http://home.mchsi.com/~snousky/pre-overfender.jpg

The passenger side (where the filler neck for the gas tank is) seems like it is going to be somewhat challenging compared to what we have done to the driver side. The neck runs right through the inner fender.
Ya thats way too much work. 240s suck, they are weak, you are trying to hard. Just cut, pull, weld, seal, rivet.


And about the car going to rub, my car is low, no rubbing issues for me, if you cut about an inch over that line then you will hit your toe arm before you hit your fender, so no need to cut that all out.

[kaotic]

Well, im running 17x8/17x9 +35/+36 right now.. and I have a set of 25mm bolt on spacers and ill also be putting a 5mm spacer on there as well so the stock studs dont hit the wheel.. so with the offset in a box ill have +5/+6.. how much pulling will I need to do to get these to clear?

[markyboi]

^^^ whoa there buddy...25mm adapters plus 5 mm spacers? sounds like a very bad idea

[Duzzes_Wild]

Well, im running 17x8/17x9 +35/+36 right now.. and I have a set of 25mm bolt on spacers and ill also be putting a 5mm spacer on there as well so the stock studs dont hit the wheel.. so with the offset in a box ill have +5/+6.. how much pulling will I need to do to get these to clear?
:tweak: bolt on studs, huh.... bad idea

[GSXRJJordan]

So you've already test fitted the 25mm spacers on, and the 5mm spacers are neccessary? Ugh... that such a bad idea. Up front I think that's going to be way too much, and I think you'll def need the overfenders for +5 in the back.

[drftwerks]

haha overs for x 9 +5???? are you kidding me??

and to the thread starter

why not try pull first, then if no workey use the overs???

life is not htat bard guys, cmon you jsut not trying

[TforTits]

man, you guys are dumb as fuck.

[kaotic]

So you've already test fitted the 25mm spacers on, and the 5mm spacers are neccessary? Ugh... that such a bad idea. Up front I think that's going to be way too much, and I think you'll def need the overfenders for +5 in the back.

yeah, but only the front.. I havnt had the time to swap out the rear to 5 lug.. the studs off the ichiba hubs are longer than the stock studs, so when I bolt the spacer up there is just a little bit of the stud sticking out, but it interferes with the wheel mounting to the assembly.. I have a 4 lug 5mm spacer and when I put it next to the spacer, it would give me the clearance I need to mount the wheels..

why will it be a bad idea? as far as safety goes? the lug nuts will get more than 8 full rotations.. how about some more informative responses??

[shane_lxi]

1...cut a hole in that fender


2...weld your junk in that fender


3...make her over the fender



boomtown
I think I was the only one who got your "dick in a box" reference, lol :D.

But yeah, that method is the one we've always used too.

[ayuaddict]

yeah, but only the front.. I havnt had the time to swap out the rear to 5 lug.. the studs off the ichiba hubs are longer than the stock studs, so when I bolt the spacer up there is just a little bit of the stud sticking out, but it interferes with the wheel mounting to the assembly.. I have a 4 lug 5mm spacer and when I put it next to the spacer, it would give me the clearance I need to mount the wheels..

why will it be a bad idea? as far as safety goes? the lug nuts will get more than 8 full rotations.. how about some more informative responses??

get new studs? they are like $2 at kragens.

try the spacer thing if you really want? its your car and your life.

[scottie]

I dont have any pics yet of my fender pull but i was able to pull it an extra 2" and it doesnt even look likes its been pulled. When i put a friend's set of 17x10" Wheels w/22 offset, it fit close to flush (need a little more offset) but whats cool is that there is no rub and its going to throw people off because the body doesnt look like its been touched. People are going to wonder how Im running that wide of a tire without modifying the wheel well. Of course you can go crazy with the pull by cutting a couple of slits into the inside of the fender well and roll the fender above the lip about 3" and work your way down to the lip. It was come out more like this:

http://driftunit.com/photos/D1_driversSearch/slides/z354_5449.JPG
http://driftunit.com/photos/D1_driversSearch/slides/z354_5450.JPG

To me, that looks awesome! I dont see many people working the metal out like this anymore. Most people just buy the wide fender flares. I think above looks classy.

Scott

[derek_s13]

... i was able to pull it an extra 2" and it doesnt even look likes its been pulled...
its going to throw people off because the body doesnt look like its been touched.
http://driftunit.com/photos/D1_driversSearch/slides/z354_5450.JPG

I think above looks classy!

classy, yes. but "doesn't look like it's been touched"?? i think the absence of the bodyline
is a dead giveway that there's an extensive amount of work into that 1/4panel.

not to knock your work, it came out great, but it certainly doesn't look stock or untouched.

[ThatGuy]

^That picture was a sample of how much room he was to able to create. Not his actual car. I'd like to see pics of his car if he got that much pull without buckle.

[punch]

I dont have any pics yet of my fender pull but i was able to pull it an extra 2" and it doesnt even look likes its been pulled. When i put a friend's set of 17x10" Wheels w/22 offset, it fit close to flush (need a little more offset) but whats cool is that there is no rub and its going to throw people off because the body doesnt look like its been touched. People are going to wonder how Im running that wide of a tire without modifying the wheel well. Of course you can go crazy with the pull by cutting a couple of slits into the inside of the fender well and roll the fender above the lip about 3" and work your way down to the lip. It was come out more like this:

http://driftunit.com/photos/D1_driversSearch/slides/z354_5449.JPG
http://driftunit.com/photos/D1_driversSearch/slides/z354_5450.JPG

To me, that looks awesome! I dont see many people working the metal out like this anymore. Most people just buy the wide fender flares. I think above looks classy.

Scott

Who did this work?

[CVM07]

classy, yes. but "doesn't look like it's been touched"?? i think the absence of the bodyline
is a dead giveway that there's an extensive amount of work into that 1/4panel.

not to knock your work, it came out great, but it certainly doesn't look stock or untouched.


I agree with you, but I think he meant to someone without any knowledge of the car.

It does look very clean.

[Dousan_PG]

Who did this work?


that pic he posted is a car from BC Canada
that pic is like 2 years old. Came down w/ the Cannonball R guys for a Drift Day drift comp

might message him directly to see if he did his work or a shop did

Cannonball R would know more about the car he posted.

[beetlejuice]

Thanks for the informative responses and the subsequent discussions.

I'll make sure I put uncle sam's allowance to good use.

[scottie]

^That picture was a sample of how much room he was to able to create. Not his actual car. I'd like to see pics of his car if he got that much pull without buckle.

The picture i posted above was a pic i found from a car show. I was showing how extreme you can get with a pull. As for my car i did half and half. I pulled it out 1.5" then rolled the fender lip .5" to give me an extra 2" from the inside of the fender well. Once i get the car back from being caged i will try to get a pic of the tape measure inside the fender well. Mine was just starting to get a slight dent in the well because i didnt put a slit in it. If you make a couple of slits it will prevent that aweful crease you get trying to pull the metal out too far. Thats all Im saying. The car above was showing that you dont have to go wide fenders to get a big ass width wheel on the back.

Scott

[punch]

The picture i posted above was a pic i found from a car show. I was showing how extreme you can get with a pull. As for my car i did half and half. I pulled it out 1.5" then rolled the fender lip .5" to give me an extra 2" from the inside of the fender well. Once i get the car back from being caged i will try to get a pic of the tape measure inside the fender well. Mine was just starting to get a slight dent in the well because i didnt put a slit in it. If you make a couple of slits it will prevent that aweful crease you get trying to pull the metal out too far. Thats all Im saying. The car above was showing that you dont have to go wide fenders to get a big ass width wheel on the back.

Scott

Please post pics when you get a chance.

[big_schaf]

dam thats defently a nice job on the pull... but i havnt heard/seen it so i dont know if its around anymore...

anyways to be helpfull here's cannonballs website... www.cannonball-r.com

[kaotic]

get new studs? they are like $2 at kragens.

try the spacer thing if you really want? its your car and your life.

why are you saying my car my life? what would cause a saftey hazard if I was to place a 5mm slip on spacer, then a 25mm bolt on spacer? correct me if im wrong but if I tighten the bolt on spacer to the point where there is no movement from the slip on spacer where would the danger to my life come in to play?

I could even put the 5mm slip on spacer on top of my bolt on between the wheel and the bolt on.. could someone please explain where the hazard/bad idea comes into play with this??

[Gepeto]

why are you saying my car my life? what would cause a saftey hazard if I was to place a 5mm slip on spacer, then a 25mm bolt on spacer? correct me if im wrong but if I tighten the bolt on spacer to the point where there is no movement from the slip on spacer where would the danger to my life come in to play?

I could even put the 5mm slip on spacer on top of my bolt on between the wheel and the bolt on.. could someone please explain where the hazard/bad idea comes into play with this??

How about because spacers are already less safe than no spacers, so two spacers is like two times the risk (maybe even more, because at 30mm , the stress on the studs might be pretty big..)

[Ian]

I've seen people use big ass spacers for long periods of time and not have problems...

As long as you put them on properly I feel like they're not dangerous.

But that's just me personally.