1989-90 240sx and then turbo...or

[jarnld]

which would be cheaper to pull 600 hp? reliable? faster 1/4 mile asuming the same mods?   which would you guys pick...i know its biased because im in a 240 forum, but hey, never hurts to ask... im debating between these two cars for drag/street racing.  If i get the 240, im not swappin gin a sr20de...sticking with the ka and building it up. (i guess that answers my 'cheaper' question).  any opinions?

[Yoshi]

okay,
Problem 1 - you put 600hp and Reliable in the same sentence... do you realize what needs to be done to either car to get it to 600?  If you truly want to do it, you should go with the supra... but the $ involved either way... you're talking 10-15 G's easy... hope you realize that... you'll need dedicated fuel systems, engine management, giant turbo, AFC, BC, TT, BOV, gauges, huge FMIC, and whatever else.

Problem 2 - Drag racing is not for the 240, the 240 excels at handling, the supra would be much better suited for just going straight.  Personally I feel having a 240 just for dragging would be a waste of a good track car, but that's just me.

Problem 3 - a SR20DE wouldn't help you unless you get the T on the end (turbo), 600hp on the KA?  You haven't done ANY research have you?  600hp would be an enormous feat for ANY naturally aspirated engine, regardless of number of cylinders.

Problem 4 - 600HP.   Okay seriously, 600 would be undrivable on the street.  Completely unrealistic.  You should do so research and figure out what you'd like to do based on reality... if you really wanted to take on such an endeavor (and 600 IS realistic with a supra) you'd want that 600hp car to be a racing only vehicle, forget about going to the store or driving to work, get a civic for that.

Don't take any of this as being over condescending or anything, it just looks like you picked this magic number that sounds good, but haven't got a real good grasp on what getting there means.  Trust me, if you have a 300-350hp car, you'll be able to beat 90% of the cars you come across.

[jarnld]

ok...350 horse out of a 240?  with a kat?  thats reasonable...i have done research, i was just looking for someother opinions.  I know its gonna cost a lot.  With an older engine probably somewhere between 15-20K$. I know.  Lets change my idea...kat, streetable, in vette territory...it can be done im sure...anyone disagree?

[Fresh 240SX]

PPL that have droped in a SR20DET have beaten vipers, im sure a vette is not much of a problem.... anything is possible with money but like Yoshi said 240's are more of a car that you could take on a twisty road at speed.... however for drag racing its not the best platform althought with work and effort you can go pretty fast sure......

See street racing is not like drag racing.... for one thing... alot of the races are from a rolling start or just two cars on the highway playing tag... I know quite a few cavaliers that race some slow i mean show hondas <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> that are still faster than the cavalier but the cav hits his hazards if he pulls ahead off the line.......

In drag racing you win if you beat the other guy in the 1/4
in street racing you win if you beat me from here to the sign...
so a good "drag racing car" would be a supra....
if you want a car that can be fast and handle like a champ... well.... you know what im talking about

[Yoshi]

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ahhh... now you're on the right track <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
I think you could go KA+T at 350 for probably under 10k... that's provided you don't go through a couple engines testing it out <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[jarnld]

sorry to sound so dumb...im just struggling with finances and my turbo rx7 just died and im trying to find a car thats a good base for building a great street car over the next year or so. (imports...not domestics). &nbsp;I was wondering what opinions you guys have on what import to buy for about 5k that is not a honda.

[Yoshi]

have u thought about a 1st gen DSM? TSi or GSX would be a good starting point

[uiuc240]

keep in mind that 350 hp is FAST. &nbsp;a 240 weighing 2750 with driver and putting down 350 at the wheels will turn the 1/4 in 11.5 &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> . &nbsp;That is HELLA fast. &nbsp;a Corvette Z06 will only do about a 12.8. &nbsp;350 horses will be smokin in that car. &nbsp;and even if it weighs 2900 with you in it and a full stereo, the times are still fast: 11.78 &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

wow. &nbsp;600hp would be just absolutely insane, and there is no smilie for that emotion.

Eric

[Fresh 240SX]

350 Horse is harder to get than it seems.....
Take a ka24de do everything you can to the engine that will be compliant with and aid the turbo and your at like 200hp
give or take... add your turbo and 3" exhaust.... 280hp or so depending on setup and what not....

Those are just rough guesstimations

[hopeful]

Man, the other day i was thinkin the same thing.

Supra or 240SX? i still haven't bought my first car yet and have been ponderin over civics for quite a while now, but just said no.

The thing with the Supra is that there is way more potential, but i dont have the money for that shizz, plus its ugly as ass. (I'm talkin about the older one) Think about it, 2.4 is near the limit for a 4 cyl and i think the supra's are only 3.0? Ain't sure still. But its got possibilities of twin turbo. That thing is just too much of a beast. And i don't think im ready for a 6cyl, then i have no excuse for loosin to say a 5.0 modded stang...well yeah i do 2 cylinders but u know what i mean. Plus that thing looks like its too big for me to work on, maybe when im 35.

[junia]

I got a question, &nbsp;why would 600Hp so undriveable on the street? &nbsp;I see cars running 500-1000HP on street all the time(of course they came stock turbo). &nbsp;Its probably how the car is built because I've driven a couple of these cars and the only way that you can feel that anything was done is from the heavy clutch pedal.

Anyway If I remember correctly I think I read somewhere that said that 400HP is about the limit for the KA engine. &nbsp;If you want 600Hp its probably better to pick a one of the 6 cylinder turbocharged cars like the supra, 300zx, or grandnational(if you can find one, and if owner is willing to give it up).

[junia]

I got a question, &nbsp;why would 600Hp so undriveable on the street? &nbsp;I see cars running 500-1000HP on street all the time(of course they came stock turbo). &nbsp;Its probably how the car is built because I've driven a couple of these cars and the only way that you can feel that anything was done is from the heavy clutch pedal.

Anyway If I remember correctly I think I read somewhere that said that 400HP is about the limit for the KA engine. &nbsp;If you want 600Hp its probably better to pick a one of the 6 cylinder turbocharged cars like the supra, 300zx, or grandnational(if you can find one, and if owner is willing to give it up).

[Fresh 240SX]

Why is 600hp not streetable?

Do you pay for gas? a 600hp engine is a thirsty bastard its not like a 30mpg miser.. &nbsp;Why would you drive a 600+hp car on the road everyday, do you have to go from home to the store doing 200mph constantly... high horsepower engines get very expensive and things break when you use them constantly so unless your just burning money, thats why cars like Vipers are not daily beaters.. its just too much to use all the time.

As for the MK3 supra yes its 3L Inline 6
the 7M-GTE (if your getting a turbo, if its N/A take off the "T")

BTW name one car that you have seen thats 1000hp thats using the stock turbo...

[boosteds14]

400hp is not the limit for the KA, there is no limit, just depends on how much money you have to spend.

u also said wanting 350hp that is reliable. well i wouldnt just slap a turbo kit on and pray for the best. for reliability, u need to change the KA's weekness. the pistons and rings. change that and do some other stuff, u will be hitting 350hp easily with 18psi. just need a turbo to match your setup.
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Supra parts are expensive, and Supra's are heavy. 240 parts are generally pretty low cost, the car itself costs DRAMATICALLY less and lasts a long ass time, and weighs nothing.

Don't get me wrong - Supra's are badass. My good friend drives one. I just wouldn't want one, because I don't have the money to spend on all the costly upgrades. Think Nissan cars are ECU dependant? Some of the things I've heard about Toyota Supra's scare the hell out of me.