S14: SPL Rucas or something else?

[alkemyst]

I love SPL...looking for a better deal always that will also perform better. Looking at about $300 something for these.

Ready to bite the bullet on them since I am now about 2.5" lower in front and 1" in the rear and my camber is out of whack.

Debating toe and traction rods....hear toe is a smart choice but traction only great for the track and could cause problems on the street.

Any opinions?

Thanks

Å

[naed240sx]

Lol you don't need aftermarket rucas if you are only lowered 1 inch in the rear. Get an alignment.

If for some reason you still decide that you need them, the SPL ones are good, although the s14 ones are actually cusco. Just don't buy ebay links.

Toe rods? No point because your car is barely lowered.

[irritatedmax]

i have peak ruca's and they were only $280 shipped.
cheaper than cusco/spl and high quality shizz-nit.
save money, go peak.
besides, green > blue.

[McRussellPants]

Lol you don't need aftermarket rucas if you are only lowered 1 inch in the rear. Get an alignment.

Don't short change the man, hes actually lowered 1.001347337in in the back.

more than enough to need RUCAs.

SPL or bust.

[alkemyst]

Don't short change the man, hes actually lowered 1.001347337in in the back.

more than enough to need RUCAs.

SPL or bust.

I don't get you major sig figs in posting to mine.

I am actually more than 1" lower in the back...my tire height is .5" lower...to McRussellPants that would be about .50000000 lower.

I started at 26.5" and ended up with 24.625" (that is really 5/8" :mrmeph:).

Anyway that is almost 2" lower. My front is 2.5" lower.

Both don't count for a shorter tire height.

Thanks queers.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Peak or Battle Version RUCAs.

SPL sells Nams, and Nams uses less-than-ideal rod ends. I've had nothing but good times dealing with SPL but I just can't endorse a product that isn't up to the standards I've decided upon.

[Slidin240Wayz]

Since when the hell does SPL sell NAMS RUCAS? I can take a picture of the box, the sticker, and the arms on my car that show Cusco- all over them.

I suggest the Toe rods with the upgraded heim joints; $5 extra a side.

The guy who does my alignment never touches the traction rod on my car for some reason.

Kuah's Customer Service is worth the extra money. It feels good to call a phone number and have the person who deals directly with helping you out answer and fix the situation right then and there. Try that with BV or PP. I am not knocking BV or PP products, just saying their CS can be alot better.

Carlos

[!Zar!]

For the rear of my s14, I have spl toe rods, traction rods and, s13 rucas.

It's not so much as a NEED of them for only a 1" drop. But it gives more in the way of adjustability.

Plus Kuah is one of the best guys to deal with. Customer service is top notch.

[1Via!]

Thats for sure. preach it. hallelujah. and so on.

If you break something on your SPL product, you WILL get a response.

This summer I ordered a SPL Parts bucket seat. I installed it, loved it, drove around in it, etc.

I went to Ireland for a month this summer and came back to find $30 more in my paypal account. SPL had lowered the price while I was gone and REFUNDED me $30. Who the fuck else is going to do that? Seriously.

I have always gotten prompt responses from SPL. If they offer a product that I am considering purchasing, I will buy it from them, unless the price is extremely prohibitive(which isnt the case with these rucas).

My two bits.

[A Spec Products]

Since when the hell does SPL sell NAMS RUCAS? I can take a picture of the box, the sticker, and the arms on my car that show Cusco- all over them.


SPL sells Nams RUCA for S13
SPL sells Cusco RUCA for S14

There isn't an "SPL" brand RUCA anymore

[alkemyst]

Looks like I am going SPL on the RUCAs...how about their toe rods? what's the $5 upgraded heim joint option...private party purchase or something SPL offers?

[naed240sx]

I don't get you major sig figs in posting to mine.

I am actually more than 1" lower in the back...my tire height is .5" lower...to McRussellPants that would be about .50000000 lower.

I started at 26.5" and ended up with 24.625" (that is really 5/8" :mrmeph:).

Anyway that is almost 2" lower. My front is 2.5" lower.

Both don't count for a shorter tire height.

Thanks queers.

Tire height does not affect alignment at all so I don't know why you bother mentioning the difference there. Smaller diameter tires is not gonna increase your need for aftermarket links. Fuck, you could put on 15s with tiny ass 195/45s, and you would still have the same amount of camber.

Seriously I think you should just get an alignment first. From your other posts, it sounds like you want a little more camber than stock, but nothing extreme, which is exactly what you should be able to get out of the stock eccentrics with a mild drop.

If you still want them, get SPL.

[Flybert]

Looks like I am going SPL on the RUCAs...how about their toe rods? what's the $5 upgraded heim joint option...private party purchase or something SPL offers?

I've never heard of SPL offering a $5 upgrade on rod ends. So far my SPL rod ends have held up for the last 3 years with no problem whatsoever. I used to daily drive it and it's been to the track about 20+ times.

[Slidin240Wayz]

Looks like I am going SPL on the RUCAs...how about their toe rods? what's the $5 upgraded heim joint option...private party purchase or something SPL offers?

I suggest calling in your order. Then he can explain the upgraded ends.

Carlos

[alkemyst]

Tire height does not affect alignment at all so I don't know why you bother mentioning the difference there. Smaller diameter tires is not gonna increase your need for aftermarket links. Fuck, you could put on 15s with tiny ass 195/45s, and you would still have the same amount of camber.

Seriously I think you should just get an alignment first. From your other posts, it sounds like you want a little more camber than stock, but nothing extreme, which is exactly what you should be able to get out of the stock eccentrics with a mild drop.

If you still want them, get SPL.

I mentioned the tire height because that is affecting my ride height, not that it dictates links. You haven't obviously read or perhaps comprehended what I have said.

I drove by the shop, he said he highly doubts he can get it in to -1.5 ish from where it is now as I am almost 'all the way out' now. Only way to tell would be to do the alignment at $125 and then if I need RUCA's I will have to pay again...this is why I am going with the SPL's definitely now.

I am shooting for the same alignment specs I had before:

-2 in the front -1.25 in the rear w/ .5mm toe in. Good for the street and not too aggressive on my tires which I get 10k out of if I am lucky.

Right now the front is off a little but not as bad as the rear which you can tell looks like this: / \.

My total lowering is 2 5/8" up front and 1 3/8" in the rear...even with the smaller height tires, I can't fit 2 fingers between the top of the tire and wheel lips. I don't know how this can be just a little bit of lowering or as you say mild. I possibly made a mistake though when I recorded my original ride height (factory wheels and tires) at 27.125" up front and 26" rear...ground to middle of wheel lip

I talked to SPL and the rod end upgrade is available for $30 a pair (S14, not sure if the S13 is any different). Looks like I will do the RUCA's and toe links from them...I know if I have a problem I will get the right part overnighted if needed.

[Ian]

Stop trying to sound smart.


If you honestly feel like you need RUCA's (even though most people are telling you you don't) then fucking buy them.

[A Spec Products]

Stop trying to sound smart.


If you honestly feel like you need RUCA's (even though most people are telling you you don't) then fucking buy them.

Haha, that's a lot of decimal points and digits.

Reminds me of math class. I didn't pay attention then either haha.

[sideview_180sx]

seems liek the alignment guy is getting you for an extra few. Buy the SPL goods, go to another alighment shop, and see what they say. Just like a doctor visit, always get more then one opinion. I can't understand how you lowered the car so little, and you are speaking of having so lil space left, you must post pics of this.

BTW BV is one-man operation. One-man can only do so much.

[chmercer]

Nams uses less-than-ideal rod ends

good enough to turn 57s

[alkemyst]

For pics of my initial lowering: http://DriftKat.com/98SEmine.php...I am looking at my own pics and think I lowered more than I thought.

In the first pic there, looks a good 1-2" of wheel gap...when I changed tires it looked a good 2-3" :).

Now at that angle the light colored part of the tire in the image sits almost to the wheel well.

[alkemyst]

Stop trying to sound smart.


If you honestly feel like you need RUCA's (even though most people are telling you you don't) then fucking buy them.


hmmm I am sort of smart...was accepted to Pharmacy school as an undergraduate. Did 7 years of college level Biology/Chemistry/Zoology. Picked up a BSCS in 2000. I have been doing all my own work on my rides since 1988 save engine and transmission internals.

People are not reading what I am posting...I don't think I have a mild drop, the shop I ran it by is extremely trusted here. PalmBeachPerformance.com. Their website sux...but the guys all own Z cars and 240's.

[alkemyst]

seems liek the alignment guy is getting you for an extra few. Buy the SPL goods, go to another alighment shop, and see what they say. Just like a doctor visit, always get more then one opinion. I can't understand how you lowered the car so little, and you are speaking of having so lil space left, you must post pics of this.


I will try to snap some pics off tomorrow. Been swamped being in Arizona last week for a full week, and this week trying to move our whole 200 associate company.

My car will be dirty, but I will bring my camera to work at take some pics at lunch. I have to eat and snapping off a couple pics < the idiot calling me because they forgot how to do their job.

[chmercer]

hmmm I am sort of smart...was accepted to Pharmacy school as an undergraduate. Did 7 years of college level Biology/Chemistry/Zoology. Picked up a BSCS in 2000. I have been doing all my own work on my rides since 1988 save engine and transmission internals.

People are not reading what I am posting...I don't think I have a mild drop, the shop I ran it by is extremely trusted here. PalmBeachPerformance.com. Their website sux...but the guys all own Z cars and 240's.

wow thats awesome you can turn a wrench and go to school.

"I don't think I have a mild drop"

newsflash. you do.

http://driftkat.com/images/Alkemyst98SE_LoweredDrvrSide.jpg
is this before or after you lowered it. seriously that shit looks stock. front bumper at least 8 inches off the ground.

besides what the hell are you trying to do. run .25 degrees of camber or some gay shit

god i hate threads like this

[alkemyst]

wow thats awesome you can turn a wrench and go to school.

"I don't think I have a mild drop"

newsflash. you do.

cut image...

is this before or after you lowered it. seriously that shit looks stock. front bumper at least 8 inches off the ground.

besides what the hell are you trying to do. run .25 degrees of camber or some gay shit

god i hate threads like this

I will post up pics tomorrow how it sits.

Most of you need to not attack a poster and think about what they are doing; it may involve your mother.

If I lowered my car more I wouldn't clear most parking blocks. Like I said, I may have my initial lowering numbers off.

My car sits only less than 25" from the top of the wheel wells from the ground.

Also I posted my alignment specs a few times...perhaps fix the exhaust leak you picked up.

I want around -2 up front and -1.25 in the rear for street driving.

[alkemyst]

I will post my front bumper height at the lowest point too.

[chmercer]

god. if you can get your front bumper over a curb, you might as well roll on down to carmax and see if theyll trade you for a caravan. retard city. and did you make some bizarre comment about poisoning my mother with pills? what? lol

[alkemyst]

god. if you can get your front bumper over a curb, you might as well roll on down to carmax and see if theyll trade you for a caravan. retard city. and did you make some bizarre comment about poisoning my mother with pills? what? lol

damn, you are so JDM tyte! y0! :mrmeph:

[McRussellPants]

Hes 1.44245234234 x 10^18 % JDM.



lol at people womping about SPL heims when some people have been running them for 3+ years without problems.

[alkemyst]

Hes 1.44245234234 x 10^18 % JDM.



lol at people womping about SPL heims when some people have been running them for 3+ years without problems.

JDM that's funny.

Some people running a part 3 years is funny too. However, Kuah must have some reason to offer an upgraded heim joint on their toe links.

He's about your equation ^ 2.

Is Viceroy some sort of red light district thing?

[overb0ost]

wow thats awesome you can turn a wrench and go to school.

"I don't think I have a mild drop"

newsflash. you do.

besides what the hell are you trying to do. run .25 degrees of camber or some gay shit

god i hate threads like this

then don't post, or is that concept too hard to grasp?

not everyone wants to be JDM tyte like you and i'm sure his goals for his car is different than yours.

viceroy FTMFW!!!!!!!!!!!:ugh:

i hate ppl who bitch and whine. grow up, not everyone likes to follow the crowd.

http://www.son240sx.ca/forum/images/smiles/picard.jpg

[1Via!]

You may find some of these responses a bit abrasive, but most people dont give a fuck about clearing parking blocks or taking speedbumps at speed.
There is a reason that there is a thread on here exclusively to showcase how low your car is.

You could always choose to use your depth perception and park infront of the parking block.

Take a look at some of the pictures on here and see what some people drive on a daily basis.

Frankly, youre not cool if you arent low low and have blangin wheels. So, dont be suprised when the cool kids pick on you because you think you low when youre not.

[Flybert]

AHAAHAHA too low to get bumper over parking blocks? Who cares about that? Just park behind them and don't crash into them like a newb driver.

BTW, pharmacy school is for girls and homosexual dudes, not like there's anything wrong with that.

[Flybert]

Your car is 4x4 too.

[1Via!]

The car in my sig? Not mine. Just a banner for a site.

[McRussellPants]

lol at clearing parking blocks.

thats almost as gay as the people who tell you not to stretch tire because "YOU'LL CURB YOUR RIMZAZAZAZAZAZAZ"..

[alkemyst]

You may find some of these responses a bit abrasive, but most people dont give a fuck about clearing parking blocks or taking speedbumps at speed.
There is a reason that there is a thread on here exclusively to showcase how low your car is.

You could always choose to use your depth perception and park infront of the parking block.

Take a look at some of the pictures on here and see what some people drive on a daily basis.

Frankly, youre not cool if you arent low low and have blangin wheels. So, dont be suprised when the cool kids pick on you because you think you low when youre not.

I don't know how people like you read so much into a topic nor assume most on the forums are here for cosmetics.

I was not basing how low I should go with the height of a parking block...I was stating it's a bit hard to believe someone would consider that mild lowering.

I want suspension travel and a car that handles, not something I can go bouncing through taco bell in.

[alkemyst]

AHAAHAHA too low to get bumper over parking blocks? Who cares about that? Just park behind them and don't crash into them like a newb driver.

BTW, pharmacy school is for girls and homosexual dudes, not like there's anything wrong with that.

Base pay of around $75k coming out is probably more than you will see in your lifetime. I declined going to Pharm. college since at the time in my early 20's I was making quite a lot of money in the banking business.

I ended up getting CSBS taking a couple years off work when I was about 30.

All this gay talk is sort of ironic with a few of you guys. Almost like a honda forum.

[Ian]

What? Dude you're like twice most of our ages and you're dissing because you're GOING to make $75k?


Dude...newsflash


-Your Car isn't low
-$75k is NOT a shit load of money for a 30 osme odd year old guy to make...


Congratulations, you're average

[naed240sx]

I want suspension travel and a car that handles, not something I can go bouncing through taco bell in.

EVERYBODY SAY IT WITH ME: Lowering with coilovers DOES NOT affect suspension travel.

[alkemyst]

EVERYBODY SAY IT WITH ME: Lowering with coilovers DOES NOT affect suspension travel.

Hmm I guess bottom of the vehicle hitting the ground or tires hitting the top of the fenders works for you.

Do you drive a car?

[alkemyst]

What? Dude you're like twice most of our ages and you're dissing because you're GOING to make $75k?


Dude...newsflash


-Your Car isn't low
-$75k is NOT a shit load of money for a 30 osme odd year old guy to make...


Congratulations, you're average

Newsflash...how about reading the fucking thread?

#1 I skipped out on being a Pharmacist, I would have been making that as one around 23 years old...$75k in 1995 was major bank for even someone my age now. My career at that time allowed be to buy a nice home though so that's all I was concerned worth. My point was becoming a Pharmacist is not a bad career choice. Someone added only homosexuals and women do it...

#2 $75k is great money for anyone to make in certain areas...plus it's substantially more than most make even with combined income. Most people will never have a career where they make a SHIT load of money...to me that is pushing $250k+

#3 I could care less how low I am...that was never the freaking point here...some circle jerks decided to make it that unless your front lip is skimming the ground you don't need RUCA's.

I need RUCA's, the thread was about were SPL the best choice and they are.

[chmercer]

shut up grampa

[1Via!]

I don't know how people like you read so much into a topic nor assume most on the forums are here for cosmetics.

I was not basing how low I should go with the height of a parking block...I was stating it's a bit hard to believe someone would consider that mild lowering.

I want suspension travel and a car that handles, not something I can go bouncing through taco bell in.
I suppose people like me werent responding to you, but to the other people who made it their business to audit your lowness. I guess I should differentiate between the topic at hand and the stuff thats secondary to what you asked about.

oh well.

I go to pains to make sure my car handles well and utilizes as much stroke as is possible. I may have to make other adjustments to compensate for bumpsteer caused by intial lowering, but lowness doesnt automatically mean crappy alignment and worse handling.

P.S. I havent been to taco bell in years.

[TokyoNights]

if youre not scraping youre not low enough

what was this thread about again?

[chmercer]

somthing about driving over parking curbs i think

[McRussellPants]

Hmm I guess bottom of the vehicle hitting the ground or tires hitting the top of the fenders works for you.

Do you drive a car?

Newsflash old man willow: With 8.6 springs it takes a little more effort than lowering your car zOMG 1.2628734734352547457 inches to get your car to bottom out.

Go back to jerking yourself off for taking a few classes at the learning annex. You'll show everyone when you make an arbitrary list of 10% of the strut bars availible for S-Chassis.

[IMPerfection]

Viceroy and nutswingers:
Leave the man alone. Maybe he can't race? Not everyone is as lucky as those of us who do track our cars. Maybe he doesn't NEED fucking SPL RUCA, but does that mean he's worthy of belittlement and insult to this extreme degree? This is a car forum, and wrenchers need to stick together, not bitchfight over stupid shit like how cool you are because you can turn a spring perch with a spanner until you drag exhaust. Oh, and (as I rather suspect you know) measuring from wheel-well peak to ground before and after lowering is standard practice, so I don't see the horror of his posting the measurements; you don't have to take (or not take) years of pharmacy to operate a tape measure. What's there to get your panties in a twist over?

OP:
Your car's not low, incase you still think it is. Go ahead and get the SPL RUCA, they work like racing adjustable rear upper control arms are designed to work. I suspect you won't break them or surpass their limits, and they'll work fine for you. I suggest you learn how to do a home alignment, and really consider the necessity of purchasing race-spec parts for what appears to be a street-driven vehicle, as they'll only increase NVH to no benefit for your (presumed) daily driving, parking, and joyously bump-free taco bell runs.

[alkemyst]

Newsflash old man willow: With 8.6 springs it takes a little more effort than lowering your car zOMG 1.2628734734352547457 inches to get your car to bottom out.

Go back to jerking yourself off for taking a few classes at the learning annex. You'll show everyone when you make an arbitrary list of 10% of the strut bars availible for S-Chassis.

You are teh funnay....:drama:

Anyway, it's not too hard to bottom out on normal roads...if I wanted a track only car, I'd build another 240 for that.

If you have knowledge of so many more coilovers and exhausts than I have listed on my site (Drifkat.com), how about stepping up and telling us?

:loco:

[alkemyst]

Viceroy and nutswingers:
OP:
Your car's not low, incase you still think it is. Go ahead and get the SPL RUCA, they work like racing adjustable rear upper control arms are designed to work. I suspect you won't break them or surpass their limits, and they'll work fine for you. I suggest you learn how to do a home alignment, and really consider the necessity of purchasing race-spec parts for what appears to be a street-driven vehicle, as they'll only increase NVH to no benefit for your (presumed) daily driving, parking, and joyously bump-free taco bell runs.

Again for the retarded. I never claimed my car was 'slammed'...it low enough to need RUCA's...This is how it sits now (http://www.driftkat.com/images/Alkemyst98SE_Lowered_Side102006.jpg). I don't want to be tucked at all...that is too low for the places I drive my DAILY DRIVER too.

Why would I want to learn to do a home alignment? I can take it to a race alignment shop and get better results from someone that does it for a living.

My daily driving is considered spirited. My commute is over a few really good turns and roads. Having my rear end break a loose is not uncommon.

I have been building vehicles now since about 1988.

If the kids here want to be all pissed and stuff so be it. I am just looking for "those that know" advice and I have gotten it.

[Slidin240Wayz]

Get the SPL arms. Kill the bickering; it's useless!

Carlos

[yudalicious]

don't mind these people alkemist, don't take what they say too seriously, what they say is always good for a laugh though. I've become very selective on what I read here on zilvia, there's good info to be taken away, buried amidst all the BS and Viceroy bullying, who, if nothing else, are always there to provide a good laugh.

[alkemyst]

don't mind these people alkemist, don't take what they say too seriously, what they say is always good for a laugh though. I've become very selective on what I read here on zilvia, there's good info to be taken away, buried amidst all the BS and Viceroy bullying, who, if nothing else, are always there to provide a good laugh.

I think it's funny too...but disturbing at the same time.

I will admit it's been a while since I have been around here.

Anyway...thanks everyone!

Å

[aznpoopy]

if you feel the need to buy some arms, buy them.

it doesn't take much to go out of stock adjustment range. your car certainly doesn't have to be low.

i previously lowered my car very moderately and took it in for an alignment. the shop could not zero out toe in the rear; they maxed at roughly .5 degree toe in with stock adjustment. camber and caster were well within stock spec, front and rear.

it's hard to say without actually seeing your car in person, but just based on my prior experience, rear toe arms wouldn't be a bad idea before you blow $75 or so on an alignment.

[naed240sx]

i previously lowered my car very moderately and took it in for an alignment. the shop could not zero out toe in the rear; they maxed at roughly .5 degree toe in with stock adjustment. camber and caster were well within stock spec, front and rear.


Bent subframe. 0.5 degrees of toe is huge.

You can go over a 3.5 inch drop before needing toe rods as long as you aren't trying to run something stupid like -0.5 camber.

[KingKong8247]

Only read first few posts of thread. SPL RUCA I have them for the s13 Just get some anti-sieze fluid for the ball joint and your good. Mine had lasted prob a year and a half, sinc I bought them, no probs except rust in the threads (which is my fault)

[aznpoopy]

Bent subframe. 0.5 degrees of toe is huge.

You can go over a 3.5 inch drop before needing toe rods as long as you aren't trying to run something stupid like -0.5 camber.

camber is at -1.5 iirc

i'd be seriously surprised if my subframe was bent.
perhaps the lowering of the subframe with spl collars changed the geometry slightly and reduced the range of adjustment?