PIC Requests, I need alot of help with covering wide wheels

[byhi]

Well, first off, I'd like to say, that i just purchased a set of wheels that are 18x10 +0, 18x9 +0. and they will be going on my s14 that that is lowered on tein coilovers, Now, i knew when i "got into bed" with a set of wheels that were more agressive than the last (18x10 +14, 18x9 +04) that i would need to do fender mods. for reference, the new wheels with be running s 225/245 (40) combo, feel free to offer tire sugg. as well.

Also, the aero i have is version select vertex knockies all around


Cliffs notes before going ahead:


S14
coilovers
18x10 +0 18x9 +0
vertex knockoff
open minded



THE Problem is, i cannot decide.... so i need to see whats out there incase soemthing can persuade my decisions

MY hopes = to see peoples s14s with similar sizes

So please, show me s14s with

1. within 10 mms (either way) of my same wheel sizes offsets (And of of course same width)
1a. i am most concerned with the rears, so even if the front isnt similar, or vice versa, feel free to post up

2. please tell me tire size, and camber specs

3. please tell me fender brand, size, fitting to accomodate size (ie adjustment for mm tolerance)


I AM into overfenders (both blister and the "pulled" look), as flip told me earilier, his boy was running comprible sizes wit ha 50 mm VS rear, 20 mm VS front, but i also want to explore my banana flare options too (ie - PJ bonifacio type fenders)

so please guys, any pics/helps would be greatly appreciated, and i am very open minded, so please feel free to post up anything so long as its on topic

[chmercer]

jerrys old s14 (green zenki with vertex copy, euroline sls) had 18x9 18x10 +0 on stock metal, just did it with a pull and some camber

[byhi]

oh wow, where they really 0 offset, i was unaware of that, thank you very much, let me finfd the car just for verification...

http://arcenal.com/DKW/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/dunlopmark2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/Jerry_Heaven/Cars/IMG_9167.jpg

http://dma.sjsu.edu/~art106/jerbear/s14/DSC02555.jpg

http://dma.sjsu.edu/~art106/jerbear/s14/DSC02545.jpg

http://dma.sjsu.edu/~art106/jerbear/s14/DSC02543.jpg

also, mercer, it looks like he's running EDIT... negative 3 degrees OR MORE of camber in the rear... i however do not wish to run such a cambered setup.

thank you for the input though, mos def.

anyone else?

[Rayne]

oh wow, where they really 0 offset, i was unaware of that, thank you very much, let me finfd the car just for verification...also, mercer, it looks like he's running 3+ degrees of camber in the rear... i however do not wish to run such a cambered setup.

thank you for the input though, mos def.

anyone else?

+3?
-3 maybe

[byhi]

let me clarify , "its looks as though he was running negative three degrees of camber OR MORE" ,yes sorry, i see how that could have been confusing, but what i had meant was that he was running maybe even more than -3 degrees of camber, thats why i put the plus sign

NOTE - edited for clarification

[byhi]

any examples using overfenders would be greatly appreciated

[upSLIDEdown]

Yes, Jerry's setup was 9/10 0 offset. I almost bought those wheels for my S13. If you're doing stock fenders, you're gonna have to pull and run a 235/40, esp. if you don't wanna run -3* of camber. I'm running about -4* on my S13 with a 10 +13 and a 235 on it. Slight pull. Overfenders may be a better option for you if you don't wanna run any camber. Then you'd probably want a 255 or a 265. I dunno, your openmindedness seems limited judging by the camber issue.

[byhi]

:rawk: :rawk: ^^^ I AM Openminded to anything

and i will be running -1 to -1.5 degrees in the rear for sure. I think the smallest tire i'd do on a 10 would be a 245/35/18 just because i never felt safe running a 225 on my 10.5 haha.

im reality, i think -1.5 camber with 245/40's (my desired driving setup) and a pull just wont suffice.

Believe me man, i dont want overfenders, but for the setup that works for me, i cant comprimise it. so i must search out new alternatives, hence why the purpose of the thread is to see if anyone has anything that looks good enough to run for (personal) standards.

Im totally openminded about covering the wheels, but i won't budge on suspension geometry and tire size... worst case scenario... I'll sell the wheels and get other ones, but i really liek these wheels, and i dont want to rid them... so i'm jsut trying to see whats out the/ what other people are running to gauge the "look"

[Dousan_PG]

for that wheel size/offset and those tire size
you DEFINITELY have to do either:

stupid big pull which can be done 2 ways:
yourself and it will look like shit
body shop and spend a grip of cash because they'll probablycut/weld

or get overfenders

END OF STORY.

[upSLIDEdown]

:rawk: :rawk: ^^^ I AM Openminded to anything

i will be running -1 to -1.5 degrees in the rear for sure. I think the smallest tire i'd do on a 10 would be a 245/35/18

Considering the fact that these two things were said back to back, that's the world's biggest oxymoron to date. That's stock camber! And a 235 on a 10 is sexy!

[Siizzzoooo]

just get some 30mm over fenders and bow them out to your specs

here's mine on 10.5 -26mm on some fatty 265/35s w/ 30mm rear fenders

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b260/sizzo2/IMG_0838.jpg

its an old pic, the car is in the paint shop right now getting worked on, seems like forever since I've driven her..lol

[byhi]

Considering the fact that these two things were said back to back, that's the world's biggest oxymoron to date. That's stock camber! And a 235 on a 10 is sexy!

when i was talking about being openminded, i was talking about different body mods, not suspension geometry.... and a 235 is sexy on a 10, but as stated before, i'm really jsut trying to gauge the aftermarket overfender world, so please, help me, not bully me with e-slams..

[byhi]

for that wheel size/offset and those tire size
you DEFINITELY have to do either:

stupid big pull which can be done 2 ways:
yourself and it will look like shit
body shop and spend a grip of cash because they'll probablycut/weld

or get overfenders

END OF STORY.

THANK YOU SIR!!! i agree completely with everything you said, and that is why i made the thread, but it seems like everyone says "but you can just roll your ..."

but what i was asking (to all those who said just to roll) is ...wait... first keep in mind, that as much as i am openminded, there are some things i'd prefer to do than others (in the idea of body mods, suspension will not change) in that i will consider all body mods, but i'd like to explore all of my overfender options, before anyhting else... hence why i made this thread

lastly, thank you all for your help and future help/pics

keep in mind that as stated before, i will employ much though on all my options, but for now, im looking for bolt on flare and overfender pics with specs. thanks



CLIFFS Notes
1. im open to anything (body wise)
2. i want to see whats out there with specs
3. i may result to pulling professionally with repaint
4. but not before i exhaust other options (its a drift car, it gets beat, no reason to pay for show car quality when its not what i need)

5. SHOW ME SOME PICS WITH SPECS



edit, thanks for your pic sizzo

[Dousan_PG]

dood serious
ive been into this 240sx shit for like 4 years
fuck pics
just do it
stop pussyfooting around. and get it over with
if its a drift car which i personally doubt it is, then just do it. and be done.
i run 10.5 +12 on my drift car. and i run wide fenders because a pull WILL look like shit to fit w/ my -2 degrees rear camber. same fro front, wide fenders for my 17x9 0 wheels on my s13 and i ran same on my old s14. te37s are theshit. make them look rad.

i dont know why you keep asking for pics
pics dont mean anything. you have the facts
stop day dreaming and DO IT.



the options are over
you have the reasons now
so do it
stop asking for 'options' when its alreayd been layed out a few times in the this thread.

[byhi]

dood serious
ive been into this 240sx shit for like 4 years
fuck pics
just do it
stop pussyfooting around. and get it over with
if its a drift car which i personally doubt it is, then just do it. and be done.
i run 10.5 +12 on my drift car. and i run wide fenders because a pull WILL look like shit to fit w/ my -2 degrees rear camber. same fro front, wide fenders for my 17x9 0 wheels on my s13 and i ran same on my old s14. te37s are theshit. make them look rad.

i dont know why you keep asking for pics
pics dont mean anything. you have the facts
stop day dreaming and DO IT.



the options are over
you have the reasons now
so do it
stop asking for 'options' when its alreayd been layed out a few times in the this thread.

..... thats quite a righteous stand man

i believe you, and i understand where you come from. i know your car is slick, you do well in it, thats great.

But honestly i feel like you instantly think i havent been in the game for a while too, granted only been into drifting for a 2-3 years, but to be truthful, yes my car is quite built (pm me if interested, im not one to brag), 2. i dont drift to make a living or even be recognized, i built the car to be one hell of a weekend drift/track day car, I too take my motorsports seriously

either way, i feel ya... its funny, because my friends and i still always laugh when we swapped out a ka24e for a ka24de (log kit with custom made flange, thing ended up costing like 150 jsut for the flange to be made :loco: and turbo'd (60-1, no idea why) it in the year 2000, we didnt even know what an SR20 was...

but i get what you are saying, you're saying "just fucking do it already" ... but thats just not the way i jazz, thanks though

[ledzeppelin240]

What way do you jazz then? I am confused because Dousan has explained it pretty well. You can't expect to see pictures of everything before you modify your car. I search around to get a basic idea and then take that knowledge and go out and GET 'ER DONE...

I have decided to go with some 9.5" -14(or so) wheels with 50mm overfenders on my S13, it is possible to use string and measurements to find what size of wheels you can fit and what offset is going to be the best fit.

[byhi]

my jazz?

i jsut want to be sure i make the right decisions, i guess i also want info on such things as geometry radius and scrub radius so i dont go cracking fenders.. hence why i wanted to see pics

but i guess you guys are right, FUCK RESEARCH.... ill just go buy some fenders and "slap em" on. Bye bye tech section....

....imma go on over to the chat section and flame some garbage gravity cast pothole grenade pizza cutter nismo knocky sportmaxes..


http://cdn.digitalcity.com/pmms/productpagemovies/0a/01/1889825

LETS FUCKIN RAGE!!!

[Dousan_PG]

hahaha are you serious?
my car is lower then most and ive NEVER cracked my fenders due to wheel size offset or tire size.
car is silky smooth and feels great. even my friends who drift drove my car and loved it. said its perfect. i didnt sit here reading books. set it up..and DROVE.
hahaaha
seriously. get over yousrelf
you arent reinventing the wheel here. its not rocket science. look at magazines go to other countries. do stuff first hand
frp fenders are so cheap anyways who cares.
stock fenders are tough as nails
as long as you have the right tire size your fendres are fine.

[redsuns3838]

just go look in the "post your wheel setup" thread or "wheel pic thread"...why do people keep asking the same exact question every 2 days, when the answer can 99% of the time be found in one of those 2 threads.. cmon youve got 260odd posts on u, u didnt start out on zilvia yesterday...go search...

and like dousan said ur not gonna crack a freaking fender... 10.5J +0 aint exactly "CRAZY"...a lot of people have done it and theres plenty of pics floating around, so go find them.

[byhi]

they are actually -4 all around, but i though 0 was more appropriate as it might have been more common

and 2. i never said they were crazy, sorry for not searching thorough enough, i based all my searches on overfenders, not on wheel sizing, +1 for your help

[Dousan_PG]

and btw just so u cant say 'oh dousan is a total fuckbag and never even helped'

18x10.5+12 with about -2.5 camber. didnt get aligned yet

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/DSC03264.jpg


and 18x10.5+12 with about -1.5 camber and hammered to hell fenders. obviously if didnt go wide would have fixed it. but wide fendres are easier
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/newcar3.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/newcar1.jpg


thats my old s14
my new s13 is way more badass with a way more badass engine and setup. muhaha..s14 is cool. but s13 rules the school

[yokotas13]

did you glass that vent on? or is the hood?
I was thinking of just getting the rivet on one for the vmount

[byhi]

dousan thank you for the pics, they actually taught me much, that with stock camber settinds in the rear. i jsut might be able to get away with a big pull, or just adjust the overfenders to like 20mm....

im a design student, hence why i need to visualize EVERYTHING


yakota, i know here in the US ... GTP makes a fiberglass hood that comes pre-vented with a vent very similar to the URAS vent, AND it is super close to the front (whereas most hoods seem to be vented over the valvecover) to allow for easy ducting for airflow. I have one on my car becuase I too am Vmounted (ka24DET)

[vvtisupra]

oh wow, where they really 0 offset, i was unaware of that, thank you very much, let me finfd the car just for verification...


also, mercer, it looks like he's running EDIT... negative 3 degrees OR MORE of camber in the rear... i however do not wish to run such a cambered setup.

thank you for the input though, mos def.

anyone else?

Meh its not that bad. toe has a lot more to do with tire wear. Although with all the driving i've been doing with this car i've gone through 2 pairs of (one set was 75%) tires in the 4-5 months i've owned this car, but yah the camber is definately not that bad. I will be trying to stuff my emo's with 25mm spacers under these fenders, I think it will fit.
17X9 +17 -> 17X9 -8
18X9.5 +12-> 18X9.5 -13
P.S. I now have jerry's car

[Dousan_PG]

if u visualiz eeverything??? haahaha
a lotof my friends do design and art. its all about visualization and making it become reality
not seeing what others do and then doing the same.
be original. take a risk!
my buddy works as an intern at BMW right now. he has his own products, not copying other people stuff. have to design something original.
so i dont know why doing this is so shard for you.


thats no shitty GTP hood
stock kouki hood with an URAS vent my budy from japan brought ovre. molded in. i didnt do it myself becase the body shop charged me 150 so i was like yeah whatever chump change. done and done a week later.

im orderng a BN hood for the new car. should be rad-i-cal.

[byhi]

dousan, maybe you are mistaken by what i said, i wasnt wanting pics to rip someones style, i want pics to see the tolerances (visual reference) etc.... due to personal comfort level, its like, some people thing some things are too extreme and others dont (ie, how people say somehting is flush, when maybe its not in my opinion..)

for instance

if someone tells me that 50mm isnt enough for "said" wheel.... and ive heard of people doing 50mm on "said" wheel many times and it working,... then i wasnt to SEE what he's talking about because maybe it sounds wack, because maybe he is more conservative than i am when it comes to "stickin it out"...


either way, im not trying to copy someone's style by asking for pics, i'm just trying to gauge whats going on and make soem decisions of my own,

thanks for all who have helped

[Sir]

I dunno, if you got the wheels - mount them and measure how much roll/overfender you think you want. Why go through all this hassle of waiting to have it handed to you?

[yokotas13]

thats no shitty GTP hood
stock kouki hood with an URAS vent my budy from japan brought ovre. molded in. i didnt do it myself becase the body shop charged me 150 so i was like yeah whatever chump change. done and done a week later.

im orderng a BN hood for the new car. should be rad-i-cal.
thanks man

I think ill end up doing the same, the BN hood is a little out of my range

[Dousan_PG]

its cheaper in the USA for BN then in japan
go figure hahaha
go do what most japanese car people do
go to auto shows and swaps and get some chep ass vented hood
u can get them for like 100 bucks

[yokotas13]

wow i didnt even know that
(oh yeah i found drift tengoku lol and origin inner door panels ftw)

[fliprayzin240sx]

See from my experience with my car and my roomies S14. 18x10 +0 is that size thats kinda iffy. You can honestly go either way. You can roll and pull it enough to clear it with some 235/40. Depending on how much you care bout your paint, you can push it further out so you wont have to worry about running too much negative camber. My roomates running some 18x10 -5 rim with an over fender to make it work. I was running 17x10 +12, got carried away with the whole fender rolling thing and had to get a 15mm spacer to fill in the fenders...
17x10 +12 with 15mm spacers effectively making them -3 offset, cambers at around -1.5
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/fliprayzin240sx/Big%20Pix/ray07.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/fliprayzin240sx/Big%20Pix/ray01-1.jpg