how can i get at least 200-250 hp out of my engine

[stil bil]

i cant afford a turbo kit, is there any other way i would be able to get this from the engine in the 96 se  im still not sure what it is called??

>what would a turbo kit cost and from who?
>how much does the silvia swap cost?

[JEdubz]

Umm... obviously your new...really new. And you dont pretend to know everything like someone we know *cough* *cough* me *cough* ... but here I'll see waht I can do.... You want to know how much a Silvia swap costs? Umm... I dont really know what that means... do you mean get a Silvia engine? If you do It's caleld an SR20DET, and you will probably not be able to afford one of if you can't get a turbo kit. Imagine the engine rangine from 1,500 up to 5,000 (for the new ones off S15's and such...with real low miles).. And your 96 Engine is called a KA24DE.. just incase you were confused about that. And yes theoretically it is possible to get 200-250 hp going all motor and having no forced induction... but that will cost an ungodly amount more than doing an SR swap... SR20DET is the way to go, unless you would like to get a CA18DET, which wouldnt really make sense because they arent really genuine to your car, but it would work... But I still would reccomend the SR20DET, or just put lots of clear lights and LED sparkley shiney street-glow typa things .. it is rumored that when on a car with the most craziest body kit they can add anywhere up to 150 horsepower.

[DSC]

Turbo would be the cheapist way to get that much power.  You could get 200rwhp with n/a mods like intake/exhaust/header and a bunch of other stuff...but by the time you finish that you could have bought a turbo for less $.

"what would a turbo kit cost and from who?"
rollhard.com is the only one I know right off the top of my head but there are a bunch of other places that sell kits.  From building your own to a high power prebuilt kit look to spend $2000-$5000 + install and supporting mods.
Stock engine is a ka34de [ka=engine code] [24=displacement 2.4litre] [d=dual/double overhead cam] [e=damn I don't remember]

">how much does the silvia swap cost?"
The engine from the silvia is an SR20DET
[SR=engine code] [20=displacement 2.0litre] [d=dual/double overhead cam] [E=damn I'm a morron] [T=TURBO!]
http://www.srswap.com
http://www.unstable-hybrids.com
best SR info available...just look around.

[s13driver]

i think E stands for something like electronic fuel injection or something like that .. can't remember...

just like every1 said.. the cheapest way to get that much power is either turbo charge it or do a SR swap... since those like bolt ons like intack header and exhaust isn't really gonna give you that much power... but when u r thinking into do some internal work on the engine.. then i m sure it is gonna cost way more than turbo it.

[fodive]

how come i never hear anythigna bout underdrive pulley, arnt they supposed to give you some good power back for being a "bolt-on" mod?

[Kreator]

Like DSC said. To get that much power outa boltons, you'll spend more money than a turbo kit costs. You can get a kit from nsport or fmax. I recommend nsport for s13 and fmax (the one i'm getting) for s14 (that's what the people tended to do). You'll be looking at around $4000 for the whole thing. However you can put together a custom kit (but that would be tougher if you don't know what you are doing) for around $2700 (w/o intercooler w/ some used parts). Or you can get the cheapest sr for that money (w/o the front clip... am i right here?)... so basicly you are looking at around $3000 to get you approximately there, and aound $4000 if you wonna get a bit more...

oh and dubz, sr is not in any way better than a ka (at low boost at least). so no swap is needed if you got pretty low miles....

[Anubis]

yea, e stands for electronic fuel injection

[Griffon2k]

I like the question, it is certainly not one I see a lot of in the forum. In my opinion, in order to get the KA24DE that you have in that 96 up to 200-250hp, you are going to have to spend some money. With the right bolt-ons you may be able to raise your hp to 200, since the KA starts out with 155hp (good starting point). However to get 250 out of it, you will need a good shop and a fistful of dollars. Sure I could tell you to go get a turbo kit, or just drop in a SR20, but for one, both are expensive buys and the SR20 is illegal and not advisable unless you know some way to get around it (find someone who waives visual inspections)

I advise you to work with the KA with bolt ons (intake,exhaust,underdrive pulley,throttle body, header, intake manifold) and see what you want to do from there. Those bolt ons will definetly give you enough power to satisfy your taste for a while. If you choose to go the route of turbo or and Sr20, I warn you, prepare to pay around 3500-7000 or more. Sure the SR20 can be found at 2000, but you WILL need parts for the install. A turbo can be purchased for around 2-3000 also, but you should not put turbocharge a car without strengthening the engine. That goes for the SR20 swap or just turbocharging the KA24. Sure you can get by just dropping in the new engine or a turbo, but without bulletproofing the bottom end, strengthening the block, porting and polishing, boring the block, shotpeening or totally replacing the connecting rods, etc, the end result could be a blown engine.

With a turbocharged engine or an SR20 a shop won't touch it with an dipstick, and unless you are good with turbocharged or foreign engines, you will have to get a new engine or a new car (which equates to a loss of the money you invested) So in short, spend some time researching the potential of the 240 and what others have done, pick up a couple of back issues of SCC and Super Street (SCC ran a story about a 240 in April), get some bolt-ons, and if you are seriously thinking about turbocharging it, do yourself a favor and put it in the shop for a couple of weeks to build that KA up. You'll be glad you did. Hope I was able to help you....

[stil bil]

thanks for the advice guys, i have 104k miles

so basically, no swap for me, and if i want to do the turbo right i need a built engine, but before i even think about turbo, i should do all the bolt ons i can imagine....

>full exhaust(header, dp, hi flo cat, cat back)
>intake
>intake manifold
>throtle body
>and so on if i have missed something(i know i have) then please tell me

should the rebuild come before the or after the boltons?


and then after i do all that, would i have spent more or less than the t-kit

[Loren]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Griffon2k @ July 04 2002,03:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sure you can get by just dropping in the new engine or a turbo, but without bulletproofing the bottom end, strengthening the block, porting and polishing, boring the block, shotpeening or totally replacing the connecting rods, etc, the end result could be a blown engine.

With a turbocharged engine or an SR20 a shop won't touch it with an dipstick, and unless you are good with turbocharged or foreign engines, you will have to get a new engine or a new car (which equates to a loss of the money you invested)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Thanks for the stupidest advice i've heard in a long time. It seems that most import boards are full of idiots like you, and this is why we look bad, because all dosmetic people have common sense about how engines actually work. Ok how the fuck do you strengthen the block??? when you say block do you mean the short block, and therefore you would be an idiot for being redundant because you had just said bulletproofing the bottom end. ok porting and polishing... that makes the bottom end 'bullet proof' you port and polish heads, intakes etc. things that flow air to gain power, it doesn't make anything stronger, in fact porting and polishing would just make the bottom end break easier because theres more horsepower, boring the block, ok once again this doesn't help the bottom end any, all this does is allow for bigger pistons, which could be forged so that would help, but boring the sleeves make them thinner and only henders strength. you mention shotpeening the rods.. right, don't mention balancing them the crank, or piston assembly... the previous has shown that you are an A+ idiot who doesn't need to be posting anything, but then you go on to amaze me even more! with a turbocharged or SR20 no shop will 'touch it with an dipstick'..... an dipstick.. besides for not knowing even basic grammar (but i won't go into that as im not capitilizing, punctuating, etc.) did you get that line from Pepboy's Hi-Rev Tuners? Ok Midas might be scared to change the oil on a SR20 but there are tons of shops that would work on it. And would they be 'good with turbocharged or foreign engines' if they are stupid enough to take advice from you... i think not, you need to do a lot more reading and a lot less typing. if anyone wants to flame me, go for it, because if he asked a dumb question i wouldn't flame him, thats learning, what hes doing is filling people's mind with bullshit and making the world a dumber place.

[Griffon2k]

Ok, I come to the board to give some good advice, and by looking at stil bil's response, I just saved him a lot of money and an engine, because he doesn't appear to be headed toward buying a turbo or new engine anytime soon....after all that I get flamed by an idiot who just wants to fit in and get some attention by claiming to have more knowledge than me.

I won't come down to your level loren, because to do that i would piss myself off because I allowed some like you to elicit that type of response from me. I want you to understand a couple of things.

1) You should read posts a little more thoroughly..if you had you would have noticed that I stated that there was more to be done to strengthen the engine than what I wrote (hence the term etc at the end, meaning "and further on")

2) Stating that people who work on domestic engines know more than people who work on imports, is not very intelligent, thus leading me to believe you know nothing about engines at all. sure you know the terminology, but i wonder what you know beyond that. I bet you think the rotary engine is Japanese too, huh? lol. I have owned and worked on both domestic and import engines since I have been able to drive. I have owned a 1985 Chevrolet Monte Carlo, a 1986 Toyota Cressida, a 1988 Volkswagen Fox, and now I own my baby, a 1991 Nissan 240sx. I know many people who make their living working on engines also, and there are many domestic mechanics who respect import engines because they tend to be a hell of alot stronger than domestic engines. And before you decide to flame me for being biased, read my above statement again. I ACTUALLY OWNED A CHEVY, GO FIGURE A DOMESTIC CAR.

3) You couldn't find anything else to say about my advice so you criticized my grammar. lol. HEY JACKASS, you forgot a lot of apostrophes, you know theses-> ' ' '. HE + IS= HE'S. Ok, I tried not to flame you, I can live with that.

Lastly &nbsp;we come to,

4) Everyone else who posted here shared some input and advice to answer stil bil's question. I look at your post and see nothing but pointless flame to try to make yourself look good by insulting me. Nice try. Some advice, it's (it+is=it's...lol) better to let the world think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Maybe you should think about that qoute next time you post something....


"Hi-rev tuners" -is that your favorite show or something?

An american Nissan dealership will service a damaged SR20? You'll have to tell where they do that, because last time I checked they didn't. And just because a shop will work on your engine, doesn't mean they will do a good job....who are you taking your car to? I do my work myself. A good mechanical mind + a FSM= less money spent on someone else's bs labor fees.

Lastly, do you drive a 240sx?

[Kreator]

2 n00bs flaming each other lol <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Anyways, you both are kinda wrong i guess.... Griffon, you don't have to change the internals on either engine if you are running so little boost. More to that, since SR came with the turbo initially it can already handle much more more power than 250hp. KA is good to up to 300-350hp. But for a 104K engine, i'd do that up front, cuz that's quite alot of miles. So i guess no turbo for you.

Here's what i'd do for boltons:
1. Electric Fan. Will prolly give you a couple hps back that you are loosing right now. And you will rev faster.
2. Intake with CAI
3. Exhaust (Id prolly do 2.5" crush bent at the muffler shop since you are low on money)+Headers+cat
4. pulley set or something (i think they have one at enjukuracing)....

Intake manifold.... i dunnow, but i don't think it's gonna give you anything. Throttle body - same thing...
You don't have to rebuild engine for boltons

Anyways, at this point you are looking at about 30hp increase and $1000 dollars spent in the best case....
So yeah, save up for an SR....

[Loren]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Griffon2k @ July 04 2002,09:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, I come to the board to give some good advice, and by looking at stil bil's response, I just saved him a lot of money and an engine, because he doesn't appear to be headed toward buying a turbo or new engine anytime soon....after all that I get flamed by an idiot who just wants to fit in and get some attention by claiming to have more knowledge than me.

I won't come down to your level loren, because to do that i would piss myself off because I allowed some like you to elicit that type of response from me. I want you to understand a couple of things.

1) You should read posts a little more thoroughly..if you had you would have noticed that I stated that there was more to be done to strengthen the engine than what I wrote (hence the term etc at the end, meaning "and further on")

2) Stating that people who work on domestic engines know more than people who work on imports, is not very intelligent, thus leading me to believe you know nothing about engines at all. sure you know the terminology, but i wonder what you know beyond that. I bet you think the rotary engine is Japanese too, huh? lol. I have owned and worked on both domestic and import engines since I have been able to drive. I have owned a 1985 Chevrolet Monte Carlo, a 1986 Toyota Cressida, a 1988 Volkswagen Fox, and now I own my baby, a 1991 Nissan 240sx. I know many people who make their living working on engines also, and there are many domestic mechanics who respect import engines because they tend to be a hell of alot stronger than domestic engines. And before you decide to flame me for being biased, read my above statement again. I ACTUALLY OWNED A CHEVY, GO FIGURE A DOMESTIC CAR.

3) You couldn't find anything else to say about my advice so you criticized my grammar. lol. HEY JACKASS, you forgot a lot of apostrophes, you know theses-> ' ' '. HE + IS= HE'S. Ok, I tried not to flame you, I can live with that.

Lastly we come to,

4) Everyone else who posted here shared some input and advice to answer stil bil's question. I look at your post and see nothing but pointless flame to try to make yourself look good by insulting me. Nice try. Some advice, it's (it+is=it's...lol) better to let the world think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Maybe you should think about that qoute next time you post something....


"Hi-rev tuners" -is that your favorite show or something?

An american Nissan dealership will service a damaged SR20? You'll have to tell where they do that, because last time I checked they didn't. And just because a shop will work on your engine, doesn't mean they will do a good job....who are you taking your car to? I do my work myself. A good mechanical mind + a FSM= less money spent on someone else's bs labor fees.

Lastly, do you drive a 240sx?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ok, you gave him bad advice, you told him to strengthen his engine by 'boring it' and 'porting and polishing' thats bad advice, you obviously don't know what porting and polishing does. and don't be so self righteous about you saving him money. how am i an idiot?? for correcting all the things that you said that were incorrect. i didn't say i had more 'knowledge' than you, which is very obvious anyways.

come down to my level, you already have by replying, and calling me an 'idiot who just wants to fit in'

1) i read it clearly, i know what etc. means i used it in my original response.

2)I never said people who 'work on dosmetic engines' i meant dosmetic boards vs. import boards. people on import boards don't generally work on their cars, they goto midas or whereever. im a huge nissan enthuist, i've never owned anything but nissans, and i won't own anything besides for nissans. i know the terminology... if i know what im talking about, what more is there? haha do you want me to be what im talking about, thats the next step after knowing it right? the wankel engine, i know shit about it, and i don't really care.. go to a mazda board and post bullshit there. ok you've worked on both of import and dosmetic since you could drive? well i've been in my dad's shop helping him build engines since i can remember.. yeah when i was 4 i was handing him the wrench he pointed at and eating chips, but i was still there. ok sounds like besides for the S13 you've owned a lot of shit, im helping my dad restore a 70 corvette right now, i think its value is worth more than all of your cars combined. You know a lot of people who make their livings working on engines? lol.. i've grown up around racing, i can't even start to list the people i know who 'work on engines for a living' ok but sometimes when one of my dads friends shops gets busy and they need help, we'll go down there and help them. biased you've owned a chevy? ROFL my dad wants me to get a chevy, thats all he has, he has 2 chevy trucks (one of which _I_ dropped an engine in) a 70 vette, 82 transam, and 70 el camino with a 468 BBC that makes 550hp, weighing 3800lb which runs 12.00 on 9"slicks... not trying to brag or anything like you where, but my mechanical and dosmetic background is WAY more extensive than yours.

3) I said a lot about you. one remark was about your grammar. and i said i wasn't even going to get into that, but now i will. if you read my statements aloud, they are fine grammatical, but if you look at them written, they aren't capitilized and lack punctuation. i try not to use 's because my keyboard is set up so i can type french characters, and its a bitch to use them, so i only do it for quotes. if you don't see the correlation im trying to make... which you obviously didn't before.. well forget, im not trying to teach english here
(but that was the only decent arguement you had, although, you twisted it heavily)

4) im trying to keep people who are uninformed from believing your bullshit, so i think i did help out. once again you go down to 'my level' to call me a fool...

hi-rev tuners is my favorite show, you just remind me of it

shop is very broad, there are a lot of specialty shops who would service an SR20DE_T_. note T (for turbo) because you said SR20. SR20DEs where in fact put in Sentra SE-Rs and so yes American Nissan dealerships would service them. SR20DETs on the otherhand, yes some dealerships might since they are the same as SR20DEs plus the turbo, which they do have parts for and are trained to work on. I doubt you've ever been inside an engine.. i might be wrong but just from the things you've said i doubt you have... plus with the cars you've had, why would you be inside them, they were all junk (minus the S13).. me and dad do basically all the work on our cars... We don't do headwork, because we don't have the machines, we don't bore out our own blocks, don't have the machines... dad pays people to port and polish, because people who do that every day with do a better job than someone who does it every now and then. we don't bend our own exhaust, don't have the machine... basically we do everything ourselves if we have the tools.. there was one time when my moms buick ECU went whacky, and since that was several years ago and me and dad hadn't learned about fuel injection yet, our friend rich ran diagnostics on it and replaced it. you don't seem to have a mechanical mind, i don't know what FSM is. and no i don't drive a 240, i don't have car right now, i just recently totalled my car, but a S13 coupe with a Silvia front end, with a CA18 is on the way..

[Loren]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ July 04 2002,09:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2 n00bs flaming each other lol <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Anyways, you both are kinda wrong i guess....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Im not a newbie by any means other than my posts on this board. I like to sit back and watch everyone else post.

How was I wrong? you didn't say anything i said wrong in your post...

[sykikchimp]

if you guys are gonna argue.. at least do it with VALID points that RELATE to the subject..

btw- Griffon - you have no idea what your talking about, and I bet YOUR idea of working on you car yourself is about the same as my idea of basic maintainance. Soo, keyboard jockey, stop spewing crap. Kreator is correct on the KA build-up.

Stil Bil - soundds like you really don't have the money, or the knowledge to accomplish what you want to currently. But you SHOULD set a long term goal. Turbo is the choice of 95% of tuners here b/c of it's cost effectiveness/ and higher possible output. Soo.. start saving specific amount each month.. buy the parts to support a turbo. such as Exhaust, Brakes, suspension, if your going KA-T then tune-up, and other supporting mods like Flywheel, or pulleys, cone filter, etc..

Also - mileage does not determine health of your motor.. A compression. and Leak Down test will tell you that. however mileage will give you an idea of the wear the motor has as a whole. including timing chain, oil pump, water pump, etc.. those are the things that usually screw up your turbo plans.. one of them break, and then you oil starve the motor or turbo, or you overheat, and detonate, etc..

Also remember - the stuff you read herre will NOT be enough to get you trhough what your trying to do. buy some books, and do additional research.

[Loren]

sykik is about right.. if you want to go the KA way.. i personally believe an SR or CA swap would be better.. kinda like 'when in rome, does as the romans' well 'when modifying japanese cars, does as the japanese' dumb analogy i know. but its all a matter of opinion and what you want to do, reading a book would be good, there are tons of people like Griffon on the internet, as you probably already know, don't believe everything you read, especially if it is on the internet, totally unsanctioned.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ July 04 2002,11:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">sykik is about right.. if you want to go the KA way.. i personally believe an SR or CA swap would be better.. kinda like 'when in rome, does as the romans' well 'when modifying japanese cars, does as the japanese' dumb analogy i know. but its all a matter of opinion and what you want to do, reading a book would be good, there are tons of people like Griffon on the internet, as you probably already know, don't believe everything you read, especially if it is on the internet, totally unsanctioned.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Your analogy with rome IS a dumb analogy. It'd be more like "if you are in japan, do as japanese".... it's america here, and although these cars are japanese, i'd say the cheapest way is still the best. With a swap you are getting used parts. With a turbokit absolutely new. If you'll try putting together a used turbo kit, it'll be cheaper than sr swap. Plus did you forget emissions? And last thing.... if you blow you turbo sr? whatcha gonna do? If you blow the ka though, you can get one with 18K miles for like $650.... thanx to all the sr swapping guys lol <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Anyways... i agree griffon's stuff was quite dumb.... he presented it as we were the noobs who are seeing all these definitions for the first time....
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">note T (for turbo) because you said SR20. SR20DEs where in fact put in Sentra SE-Rs</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Aha, as if i never knew that before....

anyways, a very good book on turbos is maximum boost by corky bell.... you'll prolly learn more than you'll ever hear on these boards...

[Loren]

im gonna quit trying to be neutral, because other people don't seem to be. KA-T are silly.. there are more parts options for SRs and CAs, and lower prices. KA is a truck motor... face the facts, no one in japan swaps out KAs out of there trucks and puts them in Silvias, but tons of people swap out there KA for a SR. Thats enough logic right there. Show me dyno sheets for someone making decent power on a KA-T, <400 need not apply. goodday

[stil bil]

ok, heres the deal, i have done a shit load of studying, but it was all for the 4g63t and 4g63n/a i am a dsmer converted. &nbsp;I still have a lot more to do know, but thats what life is all about..

so heres the deal &nbsp;

>No Swap!
>No turbo kit!

at least not for a very long time

right now i would like to know(alerady explained i think) what boltons you guys would recomend intake exhaust and so on and what companies you suggest buying from.....


as for you 2 nimrods who like bitching at each other i started this thread to get some useful information and had hopes of learning about the KA engine, i didnt however start it to listen to you guys go at it for almost the whole thread, i mean damn get a room and fight it out or something i dont care what you do but i would appreciate it if you wouldnt clutter up my or any other posts for that matter with senceless bullshit. &nbsp;I AM TRYING TO LEARN AND THIS WAS SAID TO BE A GOOD PLACE TO START!!!

thank you!

[Nismos14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ July 03 2002,2:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">im gonna quit trying to be neutral, because other people don't seem to be. KA-T are silly.. there are more parts options for SRs and CAs, and lower prices. KA is a truck motor... face the facts, no one in japan swaps out KAs out of there trucks and puts them in Silvias, but tons of people swap out there KA for a SR. Thats enough logic right there. Show me dyno sheets for someone making decent power on a KA-T, <400 need not apply. goodday</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ka is a truck motor except for the fact thta the fastest streetable 240 has a fuckin ka, or at least i think its the fastest what did duy run? 10.81?

[uuninja]

Wow 19 whole posts and you are flaming already....

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ July 03 2002,2:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">im gonna quit trying to be neutral, because other people don't seem to be. KA-T are silly</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Look at you with the olive branch. Thank you so much for your open mind. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>. Do you have any facts to back that statement up?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">face the facts, no one in japan swaps out KAs out of there trucks and puts them in Silvias, but tons of people swap out there KA for a SR.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Nope, no facts just the old "people in japan do it". Let em the be the first to say DUH <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'> if my car came with a turbo from the factory. I wouldn't swap it out for NA motor only to turbo it again either. Surely you can do better than that?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">there are more parts options for SRs and CAs, and lower prices. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Maybe you can't <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

Just because you only see stuff on "www.overboost.com" <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> for the SR, dosen't mean that there is nothing out there for the KA. I have had no trouble finding parts for my KA-T. Infact I can use many SR parts on my KAT, down pipe, s15 injectors, ect. Last time I checked, I wasn't asked what kind of motor I had before I was quoted a price.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KA is a truck motor... Thats enough logic right there. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Ok now you are really showing your hand. Pathetic, the center piece of your argument is that "KA's are truck motors". It is pretty easy to see that you are in fact a n00b and just regurgitating the same bull shit that your buttsecks buddy whisper in your ear while you were ====D <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Show me dyno sheets for someone making decent power on a KA-T, <400 need not apply.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Chris May 435hp, Duy, over 500 hp... get off your lazy ass and find a link your self.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">.. goodday</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Piss off! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

[240sxtreme]

Loren you're an idiot. why don't people in Japan swap out the SR20DET already in their cars for a NA KA24DE?? um....it's easy to see why not. It has nothing to do with the KA being weak or generally bad...why would they spend money for an NA engine with less HP? then spend thousands of dollars for turbo?

that's logic....not...uh....more people swap the KA-SR then SR-KA, so...uh....SR must be better....

400+ HP...Do you realize how much HP that is, and the fact that that would NOT be streetable? Give me a friggin break, you're another fine example of a Keyboard Racer. People don't build engines to 400hp....unless it's a dyno queen, (and then right after the run on the dyno they detune it down to 300ish.) Companies might, but people don't.

Here is ONE example of a KA at and above 400hp built for drag racing...built buy a shop and an individual. http://www.houston-imports.com/duy

Notice:"Before the nitrous , new boost controller and t-70, the 240sx put down 393 HP and 385 lb.ft of torque to the wheels and ran a best time of 11.9 @ 120mph. After the addition of the nitrous and more tuning the 240 ran a best of 11.1 @ 130mph. Finally, after the addition of the t-70 the car completed the quarter mile at a best of 10.83 @ 131 mph"

The reason why you don't hear of many highly built KA24DE-T's is because they are all personally built..meaning JUN or Blitz, or Trial, or HKS, or Greddy, or NISMO, or Toda, etc. didn't spend 100k+ of R&D for a turbo kit on the KA. these are all built by people like you and me....not by large corporations.

Have you never heard of Duy? Did you not see the latest magazines with both SR20's and built KA's? Have you been to freshalloy.com?

I guarantee there are more then a few KA's near 400 at crank. who gives a s**t. not like that'll be streetable. 300hp in a 240 is good enough. which most people have. hell, you can buy an nsport stage1 kit and have close to [email protected]

Please do us all a favor and:
http://members.hometown.aol.com/libaniz1/images/shutthefuckup2.jpg

[240sxtreme]

oh, and to stay on topic(for once):

building an NA KA24 would be almost as much as the price for a turbo kit....well, maybe at least half.

start with boltons-(this is give or take, cause different people will get a varient on prices)
250ish for intake/with CAE
300is for header
4-500ish for exhaust
I believe cams are 500ish
600ish for ECU

just that is 2kish, and I doubt that'll give you more then 200-05. &nbsp;So...this is an example of what you can expect going NA.

of course after all that, you could port& polish your intake, raise compression, get stronger, lighter rods, bigger injectors, fuel pump, Cobra MAF....basically, it'll be almost if not as much as a turbo kit. or sr20 swap.

[uuninja]

<!--QuoteBegin--stil bil+July 03 2002,3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ July 03 2002,3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>3)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok, heres the deal, i have done a shit load of studying, but it was all for the 4g63t and 4g63n/a i am a dsmer converted. I still have a lot more to do know, but thats what life is all about..

so heres the deal

>No Swap!
>No turbo kit!

at least not for a very long time

right now i would like to know(alerady explained i think) what boltons you guys would recomend intake exhaust and so on and what companies you suggest buying from.....

thank you!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Hey I am sorry your thread has been jacked by these two n00b dimwits.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

Ok here are the facts. Bolt-on's's won't get you to 200WHP. Cost effective power < 200hp in a 240 means a turbo motor, KA or SR. Spending lots of cash on bolt-on's's now will be a waste in the long run unless you plan on staying NA.

Realistically you can have a KAT or SR up and running bare bones for $3000. It would be tight but it can be done.

But in any case stick around a bit, think on it, read up and you will find a path that is right for you. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[SR20Fastback]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ July 04 2002,12:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is pretty easy to see that you are in fact a n00b and just regurgitating the same bull shit that your buttsecks buddy whisper in your ear while you were ====D <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LMFAO oh god that was good. Way to tell these n00bs to piss off &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> Im really starting to question peoples mindspand these days. I like pokemon...(note the irony damn you)

[Nismos14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ July 03 2002,3:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">stick around a bit, think on it, read up and you will find a path that is right for you. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> &nbsp;best advice of the day &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[nrcooled]

Back to the topic at hand:
Yes a N/A KA w/ 200-250hp is pretty expensive. &nbsp;After I did the math w/ basic bolt ons it ::for me anyways:: didn't make sense. &nbsp;Since my KA had a lot of miles on it KA-T didn't make sence. &nbsp;The SR can be had fairly affordablely. &nbsp;Heavy Throttle took real good care of me and I got my clip for $2650 and put it in for dirt cheap. &nbsp;Save your money and look at all your options. &nbsp;My little project has started to get out of hand w/ the money I have put in her post swap.....you will get the HP bug yourself. &nbsp;
Also when I started I had never changed the oil on any car and now I can remove dismantle and reassemble my SR. &nbsp;I have done all the work (post swap) on my car. &nbsp;It just takes some dedication and willingness to learn. &nbsp;Soak up all the info you can get to make the most informed decision possible. &nbsp;I love working on my car and you will also once your knowledge of it increases. &nbsp;Everyone except for the newbies have given you good advice so look at your options, bank account, and power needs. &nbsp;
BTW its your money so do what you want. &nbsp;Just don't discount the SR because of the price. &nbsp;They can be had for cheaper than you think <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[stil bil]

where are a few good places to begin looking and reading up on the sr and the ka-t???

and looking for a sr??

[nrcooled]

Heavythrottle (http://www.srswap.com) and unstable hybrids (http://www.unstable-hybrids.com) are great places to learn about the sr. &nbsp;But the best thing to do and what really helped me was just straight up surfing and google searches. &nbsp;Soak up everything. &nbsp;When you run into a problem just ask someone on the board. &nbsp;There are a lot of SR here and we all work on our cars (kinda have to <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> ) &nbsp;But on the real I knew shit about cars until I fell in love w/ my SR and really wanted to do all the work myself (instead of paying the shop near me $80/hr to do it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> ) &nbsp;Also I asked Jeff at HT a lot of questions before I commited and he was completely helpful. &nbsp;E-mail me or PM me w/ any questions also civickilla240style knows alot about srs he did his own swap and has helped me on occasion. &nbsp;Once you start you will realize how easy it is to do your own work and mostly it just takes time. &nbsp;::Took me 5hrs to replace a couple of gaskets:: &nbsp;Get some tools and a FSM (they are expensive and hard to find though...I don't have one)

[DSC]

Ignoreing what everybody else said, here are quotes from you stil bil...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ July 03 2002,01:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i cant afford a turbo kit, is there any other way i would be able to get this from the engine in the 96 se im still not sure what it is called??

>what would a turbo kit cost and from who?
>how much does the silvia swap cost?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ July 03 2002,09:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">thanks for the advice guys, i have 104k miles

so basically, no swap for me, and if i want to do the turbo right i need a built engine, but before i even think about turbo, i should do all the bolt ons i can imagine....

>full exhaust(header, dp, hi flo cat, cat back)
>intake
>intake manifold
>throtle body
>and so on if i have missed something(i know i have) then please tell me

should the rebuild come before the or after the boltons?


and then after i do all that, would i have spent more or less than the t-kit</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ July 03 2002,4: 03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok, heres the deal, i have done a shit load of studying, but it was all for the 4g63t and 4g63n/a i am a dsmer converted. I still have a lot more to do know, but thats what life is all about..

so heres the deal

>No Swap!
>No turbo kit!

at least not for a very long time

right now i would like to know(alerady explained i think) what boltons you guys would recomend intake exhaust and so on and what companies you suggest buying from.....


as for you 2 nimrods who like bitching at each other i started this thread to get some useful information and had hopes of learning about the KA engine, i didnt however start it to listen to you guys go at it for almost the whole thread, i mean damn get a room and fight it out or something i dont care what you do but i would appreciate it if you wouldnt clutter up my or any other posts for that matter with senceless bullshit. I AM TRYING TO LEARN AND THIS WAS SAID TO BE A GOOD PLACE TO START!!!

thank you!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ July 03 2002,6:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">where are a few good places to begin looking and reading up on the sr and the ka-t???

and looking for a sr??</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Now I'm confused. You specifically stated, ">No Swap!" ">No turbo kit!", yet you would like more info on those options?
I have a bit to post here but I'm not really sure what to post...N/A stuff, SR stuff, or KA+T stuff. Are you saying turbo is out of the question for a long time and you want to do n/a tuning or your just here to learn about the stuff to make a decision on what you want to do? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'>

[Loren]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240sxtreme @ July 04 2002,2:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">400+ HP...Do you realize how much HP that is, and the fact that that would NOT be streetable? Give me a friggin break, you're another fine example of a Keyboard Racer. People don't build engines to 400hp....unless it's a dyno queen, (and then right after the run on the dyno they detune it down to 300ish.) Companies might, but people don't.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Why isn't 400hp streetable. Ok what makes cars not streetable?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> Parts that you can't exchange quickly, like cams and turbos. you really have no clue what streetable is, and therefore it makes me think what your general knowledge of cars is. People don't 'detune' there cars quickly to make them streetable again. To go from 400 detuned to 300ish would be done with boost and timing. Which has nothing todo with streetability. The timing does but its only making a little difference, the big difference is made in boost. Streetability is deteremined more by the cams in this case.. you have no idea what a dyno queen is.

OH MY you guys got me. TWO KAs that make over 400hp!!!! Of course theres not any SRs or CAs that make anywhere near 400hp. Think about that one.

uuninja, where are you located? when i get my CA (under)powered S13 we could race. im guessing my car will cost about half what yours does... but its pansy cause it came with a turbo from the factory... i wish it was a cool engine that came in trucks :-/

for what its worth, i have nothing against people with KA powered cars, don't get me wrong on that. but i think putting the money into them to turbo them is another thing.

I guess since i don't have many posts i'll be flamed as a newbie. I hate to get a bad reputation, but with the remakrs that were made about i can't just let it go, especially extreme, because hes trying to act like im dumb when he doesn't know what a dyno queen is. uuninja... are you sure your aren't reflecting on me.. you know cause it takes a funny sort of guy to turbo a truck motor. theres a lot of people i have respect for on this board. silichigo, okisil180, etc. etc. no disrespect to the board in general. i just think its wrong for me to correct false information and get flamed, and keep listening to peoples personal opinions about KA-T, and they flame the SR, and i thought i'd make my opinion about the SR and CA be known, and i get flamed.. somethings wrong when i can't do the same thing as another member and not get flamed.
Sorry for all the drama.

[stil bil]

actually i cant afford anything at the moment, and yes i am here to get all the info on all the options that are avaible out there to increase power in my 240

i am sorry that i totally did about 3 360's so

i was saying the no swap and t kit because it wont come for a while, if it ever comes,

i really think myself that i just want to open up the exh, and intake


but i do wanna learn about all there is to be learned about.hahaha

ya know what i mean....? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':but:'>

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OH MY you guys got me. TWO KAs that make over 400hp!!!! Of course theres not any SRs or CAs that make anywhere near 400hp. Think about that one.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ok go to Signal Auto and they can show you what an SR can do ::500hp::. &nbsp;I was going to do my best to ignore you but you are a pesky one Grasshoppa. &nbsp;I know you probally feel backed into a corner and are getting defensive. &nbsp;The best thing to do is just stop posting on this thread. &nbsp;
And to boot you are so wrong. &nbsp;Yes the KA was used in trucks but it is a quality engine. &nbsp;hell BoostedS14 has a KA-T that is bad ass. &nbsp;You seem as though you don't even like the 240 w/ all the smack you talk about how its a truck engine and stupid to turbo it. &nbsp; Go do some research find the car you like do what you want to it and get the hell off the board until you decide to contribute some half decent information <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'>

[Loren]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nrcooled @ July 04 2002,5:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OH MY you guys got me. TWO KAs that make over 400hp!!!! Of course theres not any SRs or CAs that make anywhere near 400hp. Think about that one.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ok go to Signal Auto and they can show you what an SR can do ::500hp::. I was going to do my best to ignore you but you are a pesky one Grasshoppa. I know you probally feel backed into a corner and are getting defensive. The best thing to do is just stop posting on this thread.
And to boot you are so wrong. Yes the KA was used in trucks but it is a quality engine. hell BoostedS14 has a KA-T that is bad ass. You seem as though you don't even like the 240 w/ all the smack you talk about how its a truck engine and stupid to turbo it. Go do some research find the car you like do what you want to it and get the hell off the board until you decide to contribute some half decent information <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
wow... you don't get sarcasm do you.. they gave me 2 400+hp KAs, im sure there is a couple more, but thats about all... Theres 2,000+ 400hp SRs and CAs, in fact there was some people in australia who had a 800hp SR. And yes i like Silvias, i prefer SRs and CAs, and i thought that was the general consensus of the board. Then some guy starts saying thats is dumb to get an SR cause its used blah blah. Im not gonna even comment on that because im sure any SR you get would have less miles than 90% of 240s in the states. But to make it perfectly clear, I prefer CAs and SRs over KA. I would never turbo a KA. I know that there are lots of 400+hp SRs but only 2 KAs. I like Silvias. This started off by me making it clear that some guy was bullshitting. I usually don't post but read. Does this mean I don't have answers? no, i'll just let someone else post the same crap over and over, but when no one flamed that guy for lying, i had to say something. i think i've contributed to this board way more than some members who just ask questions, and say yo that ride is fat, and flame people who don't share the exact same opinions, look at extremes sig and i think its obvious what i mean.

[uuninja]

Loren, I am in no way debating the merits of the KA, SR, CA, FJ, RB. I am calling you out as an ass clown! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ July 03 2002,7:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Theres 2,000+ 400hp SRs and CAs</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

1st there are not 2000 SR's in the US. There are maybe 3 RWD SR20DET making over 400hp, that I know of/have seen.(probably a lot more with the new popularity of the 240 and sr). I doubt that there are even 2000 sr's tuned to over 400 hp in all of Japan. I love how you come up with these Bull shit numbers and act like you are "contributing" something of value to the forum.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">they gave me 2 400+hp KAs, im sure there is a couple more, but thats about all</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Yes 2 actual examples. Which is a fuck of a lot more than you have "contributed". Any one can make up numbers. Try giving an example. Better yet here is one for you Derrick Greaser Chesapeake VA, making over 400 whp on a stock SR bottom end. damn you are lazy. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> And yes i like Silvias, i prefer SRs and CAs, and i thought that was the general consensus of the board.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Figures some week brained moron like you would want to bere where the "consensus " is. Do you have an opinion of your own? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">in fact there was some people in australia who had a 800hp SR</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
In fact? Again with the vague reference to "some guy" who is making 800hp on an SR. I know "some guy" who says you were a good lay <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> . Again what the hell are you contributing to? Other than to your post count. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'>


</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I usually don't post but read. Does this mean I don't have answers?
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Judging by the quality of your posts, NO. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>


</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I like Silvias</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
For gods sake you sound like rain man repeating "I like silvias" what 8 times in your post. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> Well tough shit, here in the US we didn't get the "silvia" we got the 240sx. Putting a sr20det in your car won't make it a "silvia". Deal with it.


</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">. i think i've contributed to this board way more than some members who just ask questions, and say yo that ride is fat, and flame people who don't share the exact same opinions, </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Well I think that in your first 21 posts, you contributed dick. All made clear is that "[you] like silvias". <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':but:'> . I like new members that don't know shit, admit that they don't know shit, and ask lots of questons. They provide a service. Where as you, talk out of your ass and act as if it was written by the big "J.C" <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> him self and handed to you on a golden tablet.

News Flash no one cares how many 400 hp "silvias" you saw in option mag.

Now Piss off and ===D <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In fact? Again with the vague reference to "some guy" who is making 800hp on an SR. I know "some guy" who says you were a good lay . Again what the hell are you contributing to? Other than to your post count</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
roflmao <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
"it's funny 'cause it's true"
-Homer J. Simpson

[nrcooled]

http://www.teamultraspeed.com/ultraforums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1731

[uuninja]

<============= Retarded <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nrcooled @ July 04 2002,06:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

[Loren]

what have i ever said that was wrong. give me one hard fact (not opinion) that i said that was wrong. And yeah 2000 was an estimation, it would be damn near impossible and infeasible to find and reference ever 400hp Silvia. And like you said Silvia is Japan, so don't think when i said Silvia it was limited to America. uuninja when you actually find something that i say thats wrong, flame me. all your doing is proving to everyone that you have nothing better to say about me, and that you just don't like me, so you have to make gay jokes. you have nothing to back up your claims with, i haven't ever said anything wrong, but when i say 2000 400hp silvias you immediately jump on it and say ooh ohh you don't have anything to back that up, but do you have anything to back up that im gay... not at all.. really whats the difference?

[RWDnotRICE]

Wow and people wonder why there is all this violence in the world today, isn't this forum for people who need help, i was actually looking forewrad to an honest answer to bill's question and all i got was allot of argueing that ruined my morning, and maybe a dozen posts on the actual topic.
Personally i think there are a few types of people on this planet, and aparently they are all fighting over this thread. Of course to save my time I am going to simplify these groups there are probably millions of different ideas on these group divisions but i'll only list a few.

The horespower happy type that have there car in a shop more than on the street.

The people that want there car to look good and are not really into racing and stuff.

Then there are people that are concerned with both looks and power.

So after realizing the truth in these groups having vastly different views on building thier individual 240's we must think about our replies and make them accordingly. Some people think a $250 carbon fiber wing is a good buy, and some would not be cought dead spending that much on such a worthless accessory. just like some may want to go with a KA and some with an SR, there is proof that both engines are able to be tuned to near the same HP so isn't this all a non-issue..?
I think what makes it or breaks it is that fact that if i can get the same horespower from my engine as one from japan and not have to break the law i'll be a KA man till i die.
It seems to me that there is enough hate in this world why not help eachother which is the point of this forum.
It's not to prove the size of your indiviual knowlegde; it's to draw from a pool of knowledge. So lets not bring down others who offer advice that might be ill advised, but help them towards the correct information by a more positive means. Certainly two people arguing over the others opinion is a huge waste of time as well as a fight that will never end. Some people have a positive $2,000 in thier checking account every month, and some get paid less than that every month. these people are definelty going to have very different ideas about whether a turbo is right for them. Sure both groups can save up for a turbo, but can both groups afford the high occtane gas every fill-up, the labor to install the parts, the nessesary maintenence to maintain their engine?
The answer is simple No.
I for one would rather have about a $1000 in Bolt-on's to get my eninge to 190 or 180 rather than spend $7000 to get a SR swap and have to worry about my daily-driver not working.

Now after My 6 month old baby girl is bigger and I am graduated from College; i'll have more money and i'll probably buy a turbo then, but as for now to get me through till that time i'll just spend my money on bolt-ons and stuff i'll need even if i get a swap like a coilover kit or something.

So lets not clog up this board with huge recitations of the same junk we here from everyone, do not barate others for having a difference of opinion, if you cannot handle someone thinking differently than yourself you need to go back to kindergarten and learn how to be friends again.

P.S. if you guys are going to Flame eachother maybe you should use the priveate message function of this board; instead of wasting the time of others that are using this board to gain information not agravation.

[Loren]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RWDnotRICE @ July 05 2002,07:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">P.S. if you guys are going to Flame eachother maybe you should use the priveate message function of this board; instead of wasting the time of others that are using this board to gain information not agravation.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
that was the best post on this thread. i only flamed because some guy put out a lot of bogus information that could confuse people who weren't in the know. i was harsh because i didn't want to see repeat behaviour. then i make my own opinion clear and i get flamed. im not going to get flamed and look bad by people who've racked up more posts than me, and then think they are more elite. just because you have more posts mean nothing. you started knocking me first nrcooled, but really you just started changing your own oil.. i've been doing that 10yrs before i could drive. but hes 'more' elite, and calls me 'grasshoppa' like he knows more than me. as for you nrcooled, i don't want to be enemys or anything, but don't make fun of me, because i can make fun of you too, i'd rather not.

[uuninja]

Mods, this post is trash and needs to be locked.

stil bil, Sorry your thread got Jacked by a bunch of lamers.
I think that your question did get answered even if it wasn't the answer you were hoping for. There is plenty more info about your question on this and other sites. If you need some links, PM me and I would be glad to assist.

Loren, Piss off, the opinionated n00b thing is played out.

This is my last reply on this therad, I'll take it to PM from here.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ July 05 2002,07:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RWDnotRICE @ July 05 2002,07:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">P.S. if you guys are going to Flame eachother maybe you should use the priveate message function of this board; instead of wasting the time of others that are using this board to gain information not agravation.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
that was the best post on this thread. i only flamed because some guy put out a lot of bogus information that could confuse people who weren't in the know. i was harsh because i didn't want to see repeat behaviour. then i make my own opinion clear and i get flamed. im not going to get flamed and look bad by people who've racked up more posts than me, and then think they are more elite. just because you have more posts mean nothing. you started knocking me first nrcooled, but really you just started changing your own oil.. i've been doing that 10yrs before i could drive. but hes 'more' elite, and calls me 'grasshoppa' like he knows more than me. as for you nrcooled, i don't want to be enemys or anything, but don't make fun of me, because i can make fun of you too, i'd rather not.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Omg, what a lammo. First off Loren, if you are so smart, tell us what car you have? and what engine you got? and how old are you too, while you are at it.

Anyways, for you really smart ass. Silviachigo and okisil80 are both in japan. All australian cars came with an srdet, so i can see why they dont have any fast turbo kas there &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'>

I don't have anything against srs, and i would prolly do one myself, if and only if i had a shit load of miles on my engine. But, a i have a very healthy 65K miles on my engine, and i don't see a reason WHY i would wonna swap an sr engine in my car. Face it, boy, with an sr you get USED parts. Who knows how they were treated. With a KA turbo kit u get everything absolutely new, but are paying the same amount of money. If you use used parts to turbo your ka, i bet it's be cheaper than sr swap.

I'm tired of dumbasses like you calling ka a truck motor. KA is in no way worse than an SR. And the whole JDM thing is getting on my nerves too. If you want an SR in your car GO FOR IT. Nobody is saying it's bad. But just stfu about KA cuz u don't know jack.

ummm lock this?

[240sxtreme]

stil bil-unless it hasn't been said yet, NA will cost at least as much (if not more) then the SR20 swap or turbo KA. &nbsp;Although, if you're happy with 190-200ish...then I/H/E, ECU, Cams, flywheel, pulley. &nbsp;you should have enough to keep you happy for a while.

if you want to do a swap or turbo...the whole KA vs. SR debate is really on an individual basis...for some a KA-DET makes more sense, for others, the SR-DET makes more.


Loren-you've obviously not gotten the point. &nbsp;the reason why you don't see any turbo KA's in Australia, Japan, or even Euro is because they already come with a turbo charged engine! that's like swapping in an NA SR20....um...oh yeah, I've seen a whole lot of those swapped. &nbsp;I mean, really, if the SR20 block is so much better then the KA, why don't we all start swapping NA SR's? &nbsp;they'd probably be cheaper then a DET swap.

and people were only attacking you cause you were attacking the KA saying how weak it is, and how no one around the world (who already gets the SR) swaps out the SR for the KA. &nbsp;DUH &nbsp;you're smart. Is it not quite obvious why they don't?

Of course, you're whole post about the SR was irrelevant cause they guy already stated he didn't have/want to spend the money on a swap. so why the whole "SR is best!" thread?

[Loren]

what i drive, what engine it has, and how old i am have nothing to do with how smart i am. if you can't see the correlation, then oh well

ok i know that the US was the only country to get KAs in Silvias/240sx. Europe Australia, New Zealand (no one mention old NZ) and Japan all got SRs (or CAs depending on the yr)

me calling it a truck engine was true, but rather pointless. yes it does make a lot of torque, but still ford/dodge/gm all put the same V8s in their sports cars and trucks.

yes you spend the same for a SR and a KA Turbo kit. _BUT_ the SRs usually have 35km to 65km which is far less than most KAs have. is that saying one is better or worse, not nescarily, if your ka has 150k miles on it, but you put all of them on, and you know its in good shape, then yeah it might be better than a 35km SR that you have no idea how it was treated. as uuninja its said more specific on the case not the miles.

i was angry when i bashed the KA, for my circumstance i find the CA or SR to be a better for me. but for other people the KA-T might be better, and i respect that.

you gotta remember they are all 4cyl nissans, and they all cost about the same. sorry for anyone i offended.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what i drive, what engine it has, and how old i am have nothing to do with how smart i am. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
True, except substitute "smart" with "dumb"

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yes you spend the same for a SR and a KA Turbo kit. _BUT_ the SRs usually have 35km to 65km which is far less than most KAs have</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
a. As i said, turbo kit has NEW parts, sr swap has USED. If you go out and put together a t-kit by yerself from used parts it will be about twice as cheap as sr swap.
b. 70K miles of normal daily driving are approximately equal to 30K miles of crazy ass drifting/racing of a turbo engine.
c. You sound like a guy who would swap a 10K KA engine for 35K SR, just cuz it's an SR
d. Don't try to gain our respect back by agreeing on things you were against at first. You are still a dumb worthless n00b.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">but for other people the KA-T might be better, and i respect that.
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Didn't seem like that in the beginning.

Verdict: why don't you stfu and just read and stop posting bullshit which you present like those are facts of life.

[sykikchimp]

just a side note - when people are saying 200hp with boltons + cams + ecu + port/polish that = 200 CRANK HP.. &nbsp;probably ~160rwhp &nbsp;The KA is not an easy engine to get power out of N/A. &nbsp;To get to the magic ~200hp N/A you would need a lot more VERY expensive CUSTOM parts made that for the same money would give you 300hp in a turbo KA.


another side note.. &nbsp;In stock form the SR can handle a bit more power than the KA. &nbsp;thats ONLY b/c the KA has weaker pistons.

side note #3 - &nbsp;DUY Doesn't own that car anymore... &nbsp;SO IT'S NOT DUY'S CAR.

side note #4 - you may have a new turbo.. &nbsp;but your waterpump, oil pump, starter, injectors, gaskets, etc. still have 70k miles on them.

side note #5 - Your AGE, Vehicle, and motor DO not indicate your intelligence. &nbsp;BUT they DO indicate your level of experience/expertice on the subject for which you are arguing. &nbsp;It was a valid question.

side note #6 - I commend RWDnotRICE for his post to try and bring sanity to an already lost cause.

side note # 7 - TOO MANY FUCKIN SIDE NOTES &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[Yoshi]

whereTF are the moderators?

Good Lord! Make it stop! Make It STOP!!!

LOCK PLEASE! &nbsp;Any good info this thead ever provided if far outweighted by the sheer amount of animosity, mis-information, bickering, and just plain idiocy.

For the love of god make it stop...
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

[Griffon2k]

I stayed away from this post for a good minute because I knew what kind of a circus a jackass like Loren would start in a forum that was supposed to be helpful. For all the people who got on me earlier in the post claiming that I know nothing at all, I resent that. My information was very valid, and I believe that Stil Bil saw that at first. I advised him to start with bolt-on's which should satisfy him for a while, and give him an idea of what he wants to do with the engine in the future. Everyone since my post has pretty much regurgitated that same advice. And further on, I my 91 240 has a KA with more than 150k on it, and I can still dust the hell out of a lot of cars, so sometimes mileage does not matter. Well, I said what I had to say, I hope that in the future we can avoid more posts turning into this. I must admit i helped start it in a negative direction, but I was simply defending myself against that idiot Loren, next time I will do it in a PM. If anyone decides to flame me, I would hope they would do it in a PM also. And would someone please lock this post?

[Loren]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ July 05 2002,12:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">b. 70K miles of normal daily driving are approximately equal to 30K miles of crazy ass drifting/racing of a turbo engine.


Verdict: why don't you stfu and just read and stop posting bullshit which you present like those are facts of life.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
OHHHH, i didn't know that. So where did you read that 70k miles of 'normal driving' are equal to 30k miles of drifting/racing?

that is a lie, you have no basis for that whatsoever and quite frankly i got flamed for a lot less.

oh and griffon, its quiet apparent your the idiot here, well thats what me and uuninja decided on anyways... once again please PM if i say something thats not mechanically true.

[sykikchimp]

<h1>STFU</h1> &nbsp;Let the fuckin thread DIE already.

[geeaj]

Loren, do you drive a Del Sol? *suddenly gets shit stitch in the side*... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

[Loren]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ July 05 2002,1:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">side note #5 - Your AGE, Vehicle, and motor DO not indicate your intelligence. BUT they DO indicate your level of experience/expertice on the subject for which you are arguing. It was a valid question.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Im 18, I don't have a car, the last one was a 97 Maxima, it had a VQ30DE. As far as my experience, when i was growing up my dad always had a project going on, and i helped with that, of course i didn't do much when i was 6, but i was there learning. When i was 15 i blow my dads 84 Blazer 4x4 out in the mud, since i took it without his permission i had to do all the work on it.. i got a little help with the hoist and what not from dad, but when i was 15 with basically no help i dropped an engine into a 4x4 s10, which was a tight squeeze. right now me and pops are restoring the 70 vette he just picked up.... i could go on and on about the cars my dad has had and that i've helped him work on, but why? not trying to impress anyone, just let you know im not an idiot as i've been called so many times. on my maxima, i only did basic maintenance (oil changes, air filter) besides for my big modification, replacing the paper filter with a k&n filter in the stock airbox. so do i have lots of experience with cars : YES, have i owned a Nissan before : YES, have i done a lot of work on Nissans : NO... think of me what you will

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ July 05 2002,3:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't have a car</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Bingo. You don't even have a 240. How the fuck can you argue that KA is so much weaker than SR? Have you ever ridden a KA? Have you ever seen an SR? How the fuck did you end up on this msg board?

Anyways, go back to putting together your corvette and don't come back.

edit: oh and where is your "2000hp in my garage" that we've heard about from this thread (http://www.zilvia.net/f/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=1;t=12338)?

Sorry to everyone else, this is my last post on this thread. I just had to say that.

[nissan&#39;s_fury]

I put air in my tire once, can I tell you how to fix your car? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[Loren]

i've rode in a ka, i've never seen a sr... you guys want me to reply because you keep asking me questions... i'll quit responding as soon as you quit asking me questions/bashing me.

[WhoNeedsTraction?]

to the origional poster: know this. the mods of this site know their shit. they might get angry over answering the same questions a million f-ing times, but dont let it get to ya. most of the other users also know what their talking about as well. don't get discouraged about people flaming you. it'll happen. search around a bit and research all your options. whoever said set a long term goal is right. do you see yourself keeping this car when everything else starts to fall apart? not that it will soon but it will eventually. find out what you want to do and just start saving money. and 99% of the time if you even mention an engine type in your post this sr vs. ka shit will start all over again. always does. and just because the ka was in a truck doesn't mean its a bad motor. if you want to flame it loren, post some decent and relevant stats, links, pics etc, instead of it's gay cuz it was in a truck and no one swaps turbo for less hp stock n/a.

good god. :jerkit:

[Flybert]

to the origional poster: know this. the mods of this site know their shit. they might get angry over answering the same questions a million f-ing times, but dont let it get to ya. most of the other users also know what their talking about as well. don't get discouraged about people flaming you. it'll happen. search around a bit and research all your options. whoever said set a long term goal is right. do you see yourself keeping this car when everything else starts to fall apart? not that it will soon but it will eventually. find out what you want to do and just start saving money. and 99% of the time if you even mention an engine type in your post this sr vs. ka shit will start all over again. always does. and just because the ka was in a truck doesn't mean its a bad motor. if you want to flame it loren, post some decent and relevant stats, links, pics etc, instead of it's gay cuz it was in a truck and no one swaps turbo for less hp stock n/a.

good god. :jerkit:

WAHAHAHAHAAH I think you are officially the Zilvia dumbass of the week. Responding and giving advice to a poster that made a thread 3 years ago is HILARIOUS!!! Aw, this made my day.

[Natty]

Holy shit, who brought up this antique?

[XxJaPxOxNeEs23xX]

i thought anibus was banned but then i thought maybe he came back

[Andrew Bohan]

http://www.express-solutions.co.uk/morville/images/wow.jpg

[420sx]

damn son this shit is so old!

[Pank]

yeah, plus everyone knows that the NA sr20de from the SE-R is the way to go

[s13dan]

a lot of zilvia guys should just wirte a book on da shit and make some cash on this knowledge

[Ichiyon]

Forums are made up of 50% opinion not fact it will be hard to extract the facts from thousands of post while not being sure if it is a fact or just another false opinion.

[420sx]

let this thread die. theres tons of misinformation here :ghey:

[Andrew Bohan]

why is it still open?

[infinitexsound]

ok kill this thread already i read some of it, just straight up bickering...

[420sx]

thats what i said. close this biachspammingnosencemaking thread