fast and furios Tokyo Drift tax!!!!!!!

[rps13 SR]

Whats goin on nowadays.. i see all these sohc 89-90 240sx going for over 2k stock when a year ago i can get them for 500 for a good shell or 700-1500 running and maybe with extras for the higher price ones.. now everyone asking over 2k for a beat up 89-90 240sx with primer paint.. thats just ghetto

and now i see all the 91-94's going for $3500 stock with maybe some springs and maybe vlsd or not. ive even seen up to 5k for dohc models.. thats crazy..

even a 91 with stock sr is only worth about 4-5k nowadays but stock ones without are going crazy.

i sold my 90 hatch for 3500 with a sr20det with exhaust and fuel pump..

does anyone agree with me that people just asking stupid prices

ohh yeah i remember i can get s14s for like 3500 b4.. but those went up a little to like 4k worth

[Phlip]

This discussion has been held and predicted before that fucking movie even came out...
It is going to get worse before it gets any better

[Neejay]

Yeah, a lot of people were saying how they would be able to sale their cars for more than what they were actually worth. Not many people thought about how it would affect them if they actually wanted to BUY another s13/s14.

[SimpleS14]

These people are asking for stupid prices, because their just might be people stupid enough to buy them....


I'm reaching that phase where I want to move onto another car...still Nissan (or Infiniti).

[Silverbullet]

Don't be foolish, George, S14s aren't nearly as common as S13s. Lately i've been seeing different 240s (drift/rice inspired) every week.

[xplicit240]

lolz and plus dont you hate when people say you got a 240 to be like fast and the furious tokyo drift. meanwhile youve had the car for a year or more

[ManoNegra]

I see a ton of people trying to sell their shitty half-assed projects for a grip.
Power to them if they can find idiots out there willing to pay.
Worse thing about FF imo, it's the sea on retarded/lazy noobs that have spawned since.

[TheSquidd]

o_0

I see teh same prices as always, and those that do ask for crazy prices, alllways end up coming back down after being flamed like crazy for their idiocy.

You guys do realize NO ONE saw that movie. It was a total bomb. :gives:

[ManoNegra]

Actually, it did pretty well (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fastandthefurious3.htm) - enough keep the franchise going and that's not even
counting the upcoming DVD revenue which is always a huge source of
profit for studios. Depressing...
But regardless, 240s can still be found for a decent prices if one is patient and knows where to look.

[sky53line]

I bought my second S14 about a month ago for 1300 dollars. 5 speed, 129k miles. SE model...runs....PERFECT.

[ManoNegra]

damn.. had to rub it in huh?
Now some kid is going to quote you when he tries to lowball a seller.

[exitspeed]

Yea I'm kinda dreading looking for a coupe late winter time. People are just asking stupid prices for their cars.

[speedstar01]

240s are slim to nil here in NY(they rust out)so prices are even worse :(

im lucky to have one :)

[drift freaq]

The Film did not do that well. It made just enough to keep things going for the franchise but overall was not the super big hit I think they were hoping for. It left theaters quickly. A sign that a film does well is when it sits in the theater for awhile.
As far as car values go. Yes SR cars have come down in value unless they are shinning examples. Why? because a majority of the cars that are SR trying to be sold right now, are pretty much not in the best of shape examples.
Lots of kids are dumping them due to , parents forcing the sale, fear of getting pulled over or actually getting a ref ticket.
In fact I was offered a pretty nice SR car for a decent price just because of the parents.
Now, lets address the current price of stock S13's .
First off the movie had much less impact on the value of s13's than some people wish or care to realize. The movie was more about 350Z's.
Currently S13 Fastbacks are in crazy demand. Stock ones, because they are legal and the kids can do the mods as they go.
89-90 Chassis's are up in Value due to the fact that the number of 91-93 chassis's was so low that it has gotten a lot harder to find a 91-93 chassis let alone one in decent shape. The numbers for 89-90 chassis's were hi enough that they are still a lot more available.
So given the higher demand the asking price rises due in part to the fact that kids go searching for them. When they do that they call people and tell the people what there car is worth. How do they do this? By making cash offers sight unseen. To many times recently I have had people tell me oh I was just offered X amount of dollars and I am like WTF over the phone!!
The other thing is due to the advent of kids getting way into the cars the media has started paying attention and reporting on the cars.
This leads to a more informed public selling their cars. The other thing I have seen is people telling me, you can race this car. They do this thing called drifting with it,the kids reall like them, or some other such sentence.
All of the above leads to higher prices. Hence the cost of S13's going up.
Why do coupes not go as high? They are just not as popular, same goes for S14. The IT car is the S13 Fastback. Check out the majority of cars getting stolen. S13 Fastbacks! It sucks but these are the facts in a nutshell.

[wntrcoatblu240]

The Film did not do that well. It made just enough to keep things going for the franchise but overall was not the super big hit I think they were hoping for. It left theaters quickly. A sign that a film does well is when it sits in the theater for awhile.
As far as car values go. Yes SR cars have come down in value unless they are shinning examples. Why? because a majority of the cars that are SR trying to be sold right now, are pretty much not in the best of shape examples.
Lots of kids are dumping them due to , parents forcing the sale, fear of getting pulled over or actually getting a ref ticket.
In fact I was offered a pretty nice SR car for a decent price just because of the parents.
Now, lets address the current price of stock S13's .
First off the movie had much less impact on the value of s13's than some people wish or care to realize. The movie was more about 350Z's.
Currently S13 Fastbacks are in crazy demand. Stock ones, because they are legal and the kids can do the mods as they go.
89-90 Chassis's are up in Value due to the fact that the number of 91-93 chassis's was so low that it has gotten a lot harder to find a 91-93 chassis let alone one in decent shape. The numbers for 89-90 chassis's were hi enough that they are still a lot more available.
So given the higher demand the asking price rises due in part to the fact that kids go searching for them. When they do that they call people and tell the people what there car is worth. How do they do this? By making cash offers sight unseen. To many times recently I have had people tell me oh I was just offered X amount of dollars and I am like WTF over the phone!!
The other thing is due to the advent of kids getting way into the cars the media has started paying attention and reporting on the cars.
This leads to a more informed public selling their cars. The other thing I have seen is people telling me, you can race this car. They do this thing called drifting with it,the kids reall like them, or some other such sentence.
All of the above leads to higher prices. Hence the cost of S13's going up.
Why do coupes not go as high? They are just not as popular, same goes for S14. The IT car is the S13 Fastback. Check out the majority of cars getting stolen. S13 Fastbacks! It sucks but these are the facts in a nutshell.

very well put.. i believe that fastbacks are targeted because everyone wants those kouki tail lights.. glad i got my fastback, back in the days, when no one wanted to drive 240sx, everyone was on the honda bandwagon.. lol..

[BOROSUN]

imagine 30 years from now...2036. im goin to be 56 yrs old.

[Maeda]

No wonder I cant sell my coupe.

[ZsHatch]

hahah, so true, i have a 90, 96, 97 240sx, sold my 90 for 1100. i didnt charge those young kids that much, but i brought my 96 for like 1500. pretty much mint...haha. great beater. 97 s14 black top stays home.

[TheSquidd]

imagine 30 years from now...2036. im goin to be 56 yrs old.

Yeah and I'll probably still love cheese.

[SimpleSexy180]

and 30 years from now ill still be having my s13 in a side house garage sitting there.

[rps13 SR]

the funny thing is that 240sx's wasnt the main drift car as it really is .. they had mostly 350z's and a freaking rwd evo.. this movie used the cars least used for driffting in my opinon.. u dont even see the cars people use to drift mostly with in the movie besides in the background... i think if it was a drift movie if should have mostly 180sx silvia's ae86s and such drifing.. not a damn rwd evo.. but i guess thats to promote the evo even more saying it can do more than be awd

[sky53line]

damn.. had to rub it in huh?
Now some kid is going to quote you when he tries to lowball a seller.

Let me restate my comment. It drives fine...But it looks like ass....It looks like shit...clear coat peeling, Rear bumper has a "tear" in it from former owner not setting parking break, front bumper is snapped off a bit on the driver side, no radio, no trim, If I was to crash it I probably wouldnt care for now...but once i dump more money into it, ill probably be too scared to drive it

[TheSquidd]

the funny thing is that 240sx's wasnt the main drift car as it really is .. they had mostly 350z's and a freaking rwd evo.. this movie used the cars least used for driffting in my opinon.. u dont even see the cars people use to drift mostly with in the movie besides in the background... i think if it was a drift movie if should have mostly 180sx silvia's ae86s and such drifing.. not a damn rwd evo.. but i guess thats to promote the evo even more saying it can do more than be awd

Please, don't turn this thread into one of THOSE threads.

Summary of the arguement you are mentioning : The car are put in the movie by the manufacturer's. They use cars that are currently available on market because the manufacturer wants to SELL those cars.Nissan makes no money off of 240sx's. So why would they pay to have on featured in a movie?

/argument.

[bardabe]

Yeah ha ah I am pretty damn sure that if I put my car up for sale after I painted it. (crappy 700 job at makko) I could probably sell it for like ionos maby 8Gs or so. lol just cause I got SR20, RHD and Silvia front end. lilttle ricers will like cum all over my car (already have) ha ha but yeah whattah yah yous think (subaru in mind maby>???? ) oh yes AWD :-D

[bryce with a y]

gtfo


please

[ManoNegra]

sky53line - didn't come across well but I was only joking.
$165 ($62.5 mil stateside to date) worldwide is no joke since relatively speaking it didn't cost that much to produce.
How long a film stays on theaters isn't a true gauge of it's performance. For example HOSTEL only managed to make $47.3 million in the US. Pirates of the Caribbean 2 made more on it's opening weekend so HOSTEL must haven a big turd right? Well it only cost $4 million to make so quite the opposite.

But getting back on topic, I would wait a while before buying a 240. Let the craze die down. It's funny because there have clearly been periods when coupes were a lot more desired than hatches. Same goes for S14s. Flavor of the month.

[TheSquidd]

gtfo


please


Bwhahahhahaahah.

[kickeachverse]

it was the best time to sell your 240 if u were planning on. haha.

[sepulchral]

sold my rhd 240 for 9800

[ZX88]

240s are slim to nil here in NY(they rust out)so prices are even worse :(

im lucky to have one :)

yeah man in the east coast its about ten times worse i was lucky to get my 92 90xxx mint for 4k it so hard to find a 240 in good condition over here. and they seem to be getting more popular so maybe i wont lose to much money when i sell it.

[rps13 SR]

yeah man in the east coast its about ten times worse i was lucky to get my 92 90xxx mint for 4k it so hard to find a 240 in good condition over here. and they seem to be getting more popular so maybe i wont lose to much money when i sell it.

you got ripped..

over here for another 2k u could of got one with a sr and nice mods too

[ZX88]

over where cause i looked for like 4 months and im not going to drive all the way up north or to philly to get a car that wont pass an inspection in newjersey. it was only 4k because it only had 90xxx mile on the ka, the paint is in almost new condition and almost no rust its a fastback too.

[Cashizslick]

People paying way too much for S13's and S14's now are like all those retards who bought Civic's after the first F&F came out . . . i see them driving around now and just laugh.

[JaeTea]

over where cause i looked for like 4 months and im not going to drive all the way up north or to philly to get a car that wont pass an inspection in newjersey. it was only 4k because it only had 90xxx mile on the ka, the paint is in almost new condition and almost no rust its a fastback too.


No, you got ripped.

I paid 2500 for mine with 80k miles. Perfect condition, no rust.

[rps13 SR]

wont pass inspection ehh its hard not to pass inspection. all the way up north while u in jersey.. im in nyc. so u wont want to save 2k to drive at max 3 hours? man u must got money and dont care

[koukikat180sx]

there are some pretty good buys out there, just gotta look for them. :) i got my '90 (granted the motor and tranny was on its last leg of life and the paint looked like shit) for $200. i found my bf's car for him too, it was a '90 for $700 (sohc w/ a blown head gasket and a gold door. :])

[lowviscosity]

:The Film did not do that well. It made just enough to keep things going for the franchise but overall was not the super big hit I think they were hoping for. It left theaters quickly. A sign that a film does well is when it sits in the theater for awhile.
As far as car values go. Yes SR cars have come down in value unless they are shinning examples. Why? because a majority of the cars that are SR trying to be sold right now, are pretty much not in the best of shape examples.
Lots of kids are dumping them due to , parents forcing the sale, fear of getting pulled over or actually getting a ref ticket.
In fact I was offered a pretty nice SR car for a decent price just because of the parents.
Now, lets address the current price of stock S13's .
First off the movie had much less impact on the value of s13's than some people wish or care to realize. The movie was more about 350Z's.
Currently S13 Fastbacks are in crazy demand. Stock ones, because they are legal and the kids can do the mods as they go.
89-90 Chassis's are up in Value due to the fact that the number of 91-93 chassis's was so low that it has gotten a lot harder to find a 91-93 chassis let alone one in decent shape. The numbers for 89-90 chassis's were hi enough that they are still a lot more available.
So given the higher demand the asking price rises due in part to the fact that kids go searching for them. When they do that they call people and tell the people what there car is worth. How do they do this? By making cash offers sight unseen. To many times recently I have had people tell me oh I was just offered X amount of dollars and I am like WTF over the phone!!
The other thing is due to the advent of kids getting way into the cars the media has started paying attention and reporting on the cars.
This leads to a more informed public selling their cars. The other thing I have seen is people telling me, you can race this car. They do this thing called drifting with it,the kids reall like them, or some other such sentence.
All of the above leads to higher prices. Hence the cost of S13's going up.
Why do coupes not go as high? They are just not as popular, same goes for S14. The IT car is the S13 Fastback. Check out the majority of cars getting stolen. S13 Fastbacks! It sucks but these are the facts in a nutshell.

Well I have a super clean 93 base model in my hands if anyone wants it for $2700.00 :D

But anyways I don't think its so much of the movie, just that demand for a cheap RWD car is going up as the quantitiy is going down. Simple rule for microeconomics, in fact its one of the first things you learn. You could blame the marketing of Formula D for this change in prices or the popular import mags which featured Drifting far before this movie came out. And many people buy FR cars after driving an FR and after owning a FF for a while. I know I drove a BMW before I bought a 240sx i was in the market for a cheap Daily Driver that was RWD and good on gas and found a good deal on a few 240's, 300z's, RX-7's and so forth and found the one with least problems and a decent 4 cyl. in it was a 240. I really had no intention of moding it and still don't, its a reliable RWD car that is fun to drive and easy on gas. The only reason I want to sell it now is because its not the ideal car to take cross country and I want to get into something newer and more spacious WITH A FEW CUP HOLDERS!!!!! :duh:

Anyways great statement above.

[backroadtouge]

sept 26th f&f3 comes to dvd lol! :mepoke:

[DocTaDrifT]

sept 26th f&f3 comes to dvd lol! :mepoke:
i cant wait im going to be waiting outside blockbuster :wackit:

[A Spec Products]

i still havent watched FF3.

im waiting until it comes out on USA marathon

haha

[swiftdrift]

s14 parts n prices are a bi-otch!!!! u cant find those shiznits n e where... well at least not 951/909 area!! i called the nissan dealership for the price of a window motor just for kicks... $560.00!!!!!!!!! tell me thats not insane!!

[rps13 SR]

thats why u dont buy from dealer. even the window cost over 500

[Dousan_PG]

yeah the dealer jacked up their price BECAUSE of the FNF3
hahah

s14s are easy t ofind parts for. so easy
make a small trek across OC or LA
done.
lazy people. sigh.

[s13silvia123]

wow i see everyone is paying way too high for thier cars nowadays. back in '99 when i first bought my s13 it only had 40k miles on. i bought it from some old dude who garaged it year round and hardly drove it. then that foloowing summer blew up the motor on purpose just to get an sr. i only paid 3800 for it. a buddy of mine bought one about a year later and only had 60k on it from some old lady who lives in town locally. but finding cars like these back then was harder to find then nowadays even parts were hard to get. now it seems like this ff3 trend is jacking prices on things that arent worth it.

[iampachino]

I sold my 240 hatch to a fukin retard. Had 225000 miles frame was rusted BAD. Jack went right thriough it. Rust hole in floor, no radio, stripped interior, one seat, exhaust, kyb springs and shocks, bad paint, 5 lug se wheels, bad engine seals, bad transmission seals, (and these are bad like puddle of fluid bad). Did i mention it was an 89. 3500 hahahahahahah. Dumbass. Then I went out bought a 300ZX Na to TT for 5k drove it for a mont didnt like it and sold it for 9k to a poser. I was looking around to get back to 240's but i didnt want a hatch. I jus found a 1992 coupe se power EVERYTHING WORKING HUD NO RUST FRESH PAINT FULL INTERIOR PWR SUNROOF 5 SPEED........ 1K!!!! bwahahahahah. I live in southern IL and I drive as far as I have to to get the good deal. And then when im done with it I sell it to one of the posers around here. I love gettin paid to drive cars.

Aaorn

[smolik769]

ha hell yeah imma try sell my hatch with silvia front end for like 4500 lol just have exhaust 2 set of se wheels lowerd and seats only have 19000 miles to

[drift freaq]

Guys they are not Hatchbacks. The official Nissan terminology is Fastback which is what they are.
Like I said earlier as well the value did not go up because of F&F3! They went up due to a rising popularity. Magazine Article coverage and drifting did contribute to this.

[fromxtor]

Got my '90 hatch for $700 ran ok, needed the fuel sys cleaned.

[rps13 SR]

hatchback fastback i dont really care people know we not talking about the coupe. thing is i can still find them cheap. and i people that pay those premium prices jack up the market. i just sold my sr powered 240sx 5 months ago for 3500

[lexusisforlovers]

I recently bought a 92 coupe with sr swap and silvia front end. Primer paint and aboot 2000 in basic mods. (saves me a little bit of money) No rust and runs almost perfect and the only body damage is a front fender i already replaced for 140. I paid 4700 did i get ripped off?

[lexusisforlovers]

I figure if i bought a stock one and did all that to it id basically be paying what i paid for the whole car for the engine and front end swap. I don know though maybe im just lazy

[s13silvia123]

Guys they are not Hatchbacks. The official Nissan terminology is Fastback which is what they are.
Like I said earlier as well the value did not go up because of F&F3! They went up due to a rising popularity. Magazine Article coverage and drifting did contribute to this.


true the value of our s13's and s14's went up do to the coverage for drifting way before the upcoming contribution of FnF 3Tokyo Drift.


would you rather have your car
s value go down then up.

[redsuns3838]

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?mod_bookmark_id=null&advanced=&bkms=1159001910463&num_records=25&certified=&search=y&lang=en&search_type=used&make=HONDA&model=CIVIC&start_year=1989&end_year=1993&min_price=&max_price=&distance=50&address=92708&x=45&y=14

everyon eplease go there, and look at the bottom of the page, avg price of an 89-93 civic is almost 4000 dollars. (im using this as an example,to show that CARS cost money) ppl seem to think that paying 3 grand for an S13 with under 100k miles is a ripoff. i hate to tell everyone, a car made in early 90s with 100k miles costs THAT MUCH... everyones just a lowballer now-adays and too cheap to pay reasonable prices. im really getting tired of lowballers.

if u cant afford it, wait and look for a really good deal, or go make more money. or maybe u just shouldnt get into cars...
this "drift tax" is just a way for ppl to hide how cheap they are..

i dont buy the whole price got jacked up deal, its just theres more cheap ppl now.. sorry if i sound bitter but ive been wasting a lot of time due to low-ballers lately.

[rps13 SR]

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?mod_bookmark_id=null&advanced=&bkms=1159001910463&num_records=25&certified=&search=y&lang=en&search_type=used&make=HONDA&model=CIVIC&start_year=1989&end_year=1993&min_price=&max_price=&distance=50&address=92708&x=45&y=14

everyon eplease go there, and look at the bottom of the page, avg price of an 89-93 civic is almost 4000 dollars. (im using this as an example,to show that CARS cost money) ppl seem to think that paying 3 grand for an S13 with under 100k miles is a ripoff. i hate to tell everyone, a car made in early 90s with 100k miles costs THAT MUCH... everyones just a lowballer now-adays and too cheap to pay reasonable prices. im really getting tired of lowballers.

if u cant afford it, wait and look for a really good deal, or go make more money. or maybe u just shouldnt get into cars...
this "drift tax" is just a way for ppl to hide how cheap they are..

i dont buy the whole price got jacked up deal, its just theres more cheap ppl now.. sorry if i sound bitter but ive been wasting a lot of time due to low-ballers lately.

lowballers.. every 240sx i bought had a asking price of under 1500. running and non running.
i've had about 9 240sx, 3 of them s14's
i just sold a 97 automatic for 5500 with 70k miles. and that took me 1.5 months to sell. 240sx's arent worth that much b4. i'm not hiding how cheap i am. i just think people are jacking up prices. if u have so much money lemme sell u a stock 91 240sx for 3-4k and let me make some money. cause if that was the case i would have made mucho money if i kept all my 240's.
i think people are dumb enough to buy a stock s13 240sx for 4k
ohh yeah those civics are all sold by dealers


I recently bought a 92 coupe with sr swap and silvia front end. Primer paint and aboot 2000 in basic mods. (saves me a little bit of money) No rust and runs almost perfect and the only body damage is a front fender i already replaced for 140. I paid 4700 did i get ripped off?

thats a good price.

[Antone]

the guy I bought my 2nd 240 off of was telling me of the "true value" of the car nowadays....i told him to stick that shit up his ass nd ill give him 800 for it..:Owned: ahah. I want to kick little Bow Wow's ass already.

[IDriveFords]

I don't know what you guys are talkin about. Yea if you try to buy your car off some dumb ass kid he's gonna rape you on price trying to tell you its set up to "drift" and these cars are "fast". First things first I NEVER buy from teenagers or kids because they fuck shit up. I bought mine a few months ago from some old woman and paid way under book value. Back then it ran excellent had a decent body/paint. Now its got some funky ass idle problem and my roomates fucking cats scratched my hood to hell (I took care of those fuckers SPCA FTW). Anyways back to the point: If you want to get one of these for what its actually worth you gotta be patient. Watch the papers/auto guides etc... for one and make sure the owner is not some young dumbass. It took me about 3 months to finally get my hands on one and it seems ever since them I see them all day long for reasonable prices. Then again I'm east coast.

[cmcdougle]

^Who drives fords? gross. get a Chevy.

I bought my Zenki in May for $2,000, 195,xxx miles base with se parts in it, and I put an RB20 in it and RHD, and if I were to get a $300 paint job from some little mexican shop, I could sell it for $10,000 or $11,000 easily. It was about $5,000 or $6,000 before the RB. The prices went up just because of FnF, though I am sure it isn't the only cause.

[sideview_180sx]

popularity isn't helping with theft rate either. Many people build them up to have the 'look' on the street, thinking that it could be built quickly like say a civic or integra. it costs much more to have the look of a s13/14 then a civic. you could spend about 2 grand total on a civic hatch and have the look/sound. intake/header/exhaust with MR coilovers and rotas. we know most of the cars will never see a track event let alone pushed hard. Get a honda, it'll keep your wallet a lil' fatter.

[redsuns3838]

rps13 SR thats awesome that you got runing cars for that cheap. im happy for u that u were able to get an awesome deal. but a lot of ppl REALLLLLY want this shit, and use the excuse "OH FF3 jacked up prices now i cant get an affordable car" as an excuse to be cheap.
Im not stupid, and im broke as hell. but i dont bitch about 240s being too expensive or anything else being jacked up in price as a result of this supposed "drift tax". I work hard, save $, buy parts, and enjoy the car. Im not going to buy a 240 off you for 4 grand. I have one already. and i know i can a fixer upper cheap as hell.

ok so suppose the avg price of those civics is popped up cuz the $ ones are sold by dealerships, that doesnt change anything.
ur saying u got all ur cars running or not for around 1500 bux, that just ADDS to my arguement that there is no freaking drift tax and its a stupid conversation. cuz u got ur cars at good deals.

Its like, just face the fact ur broke, and stingy, just cuz rps13 SR got a great deal on his car doesnt mean u should bitch about paying 1 K more for something in good condition. its still cheap. for a running car.