debate: sportmax wheels: 17x9 +35 or 18x8.5, 18x9.5

[Frixco_240]

hey im planning on picking up a set of the sport max 962's. i have tokico HP's (blues) and tein s-tech's. everything else is stock. currently rocking 17x7's +40, and my car looks like a ufo. im going to stick with my suspension for a while, and i dunno which size i should go with without doing any other modifications i.e. roll or pull fenders, but add spacers is ok, which would work better for my s13? im kinda scared that the 18" would look a little big since i dont have a body kit... searched everywhere but no one has my suspension and also has the wheels. please tell me which size is better and why. and if so what tires you'd recommend. any input appreciated thx.

[Nismo180]

Always get the biggest wheels you can afford! If they don't fit you can bang some stuff with a hammer, it'll be fine. If you get the small ones you'll regret it next time a civic on 20s pulls up next to you.

[Sil-Abc]

^ ^ ^ .....ur an idiot

dont waste ur money on that stuff. save up what u have and get a better choice for wheels and suspension setup. shocks and springs will still give u 4x4 status. s-techs suck (ive had them) so save up for coils and try to get a better choice on wheels. Not to be a dick on ur choice of wheels but im just saying ur better off saving up for a nicer set with a better offset.

Even with spacers, i doubt they will be hubcentric and it wont look great so save up. plenty will agree

[Sil-Abc]

i see u readiin romeo

[dvdevo]

those wheels look okay. My friend got the 18s, but i forgot how wide. All i know is that he needs spacers in the rear and a roll. He needs spacers because i think its slightly touching the rear coilover. If I had to get these rims, i'd get 17s and some COILOVERS.

[S13Koop]

Find a better 17x9 low offset wheel
Trust me, doing it right the first time > regretting your first choice

[Frixco_240]

mmm kaye, i understand everyones all hyped up about coilovers, but i dont plan on switching to coils because im not going to track/ drift it, and this is my DD that takes me to both work and school. i alread have a problem going up drive-way sometimes and even though there is that gap in between my 17s rite now and the fender, i was hopin that the 18's mite reduce the gap a lil bit. but if i get the 18's, i dont wanna have to roll the fendes and all that, maybe i should get 18x7.5 fronts and 18x8.5's back? will that look better than my 17x7's +40? and not give me an trouble? thx.

with the sport max 962, will 18x7.5 +38 ,18x8.5 +35 give me any problems? will i need to roll/ pull/ spacer??? running tkico blues+ s-techs. will my car still look UFO? or will it look at least decent? and wut tires should i do?

[DJPimpFlex]

18s with springs and shocks will give you 4x4 truck status.....get some coils, or smaller wheels.

[ThatGuy]

18s with springs and shocks will give you 4x4 truck status.....get some coils, or smaller wheels.

http://www.automotoportal.com/media/images/vijesti/060414002.jpg

[Cloud9]

18s with springs and shocks will give you 4x4 truck status.....get some coils, or smaller wheels.

Also i think the 962's will rub like hell on the front strut, i know to fit them on my car i needed spacers. Save your money and get coilovers or just buy some low offset rims that do fit.

[dvdevo]

Ok he's not going to track it. These rims dont look that bad, but I think you should either get a kit though if you're not going to lower it.

[ThatGuy]

^Hahaha, you said Kit! I thought it was Aero? :keke:

[dvdevo]

^Hahaha, you said Kit! I thought it was Aero? :keke:


oops :duh: i meant aero =D some jdm kouki aero.

[AN89HATCH]

I have them, they look nice, and every where I go some one is asking me what wheels I have lol. I am running 18x9.5 in the rear, and 17x9 up front. I have coilovers, and the rears did not rub at all with a spacer, but my fronts could not even fit on the hub with out a spacer. Now I run a 25mm spacer all the way around. If you go with the sportmax, you should run 17x9's +35's all the way around, with spacers. It will prob look the best out of all the other wheels/ offsets that they have, spec on a car with out aero

[zero.counter]

I have them, they look nice, and every where I go some one is asking me what wheels I have lol. I am running 18x9.5 in the rear, and 17x9 up front. I have coilovers, and the rears did not rub at all with a spacer, but my fronts could not even fit on the hub with out a spacer. Now I run a 25mm spacer all the way around. If you go with the sportmax, you should run 17x9's +35's all the way around, with spacers. It will prob look the best out of all the other wheels/ offsets that they have, spec on a car with out aero
Pics?
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[Sil-Abc]

whats wrong with DD on coils? i do it all the time. ask any racer, any real racer. dont matter if u drive on the streets or the track, your car will be 4x4 status without coils.

[Frixco_240]

well, there is no problem with DD and coils, but do i really want to spend more money wen i already have something that works and...is probably more comfortable than coils? AND, i guess i will probably go with the 17x9's all around. with my set up rite now, would it look 4x4 with the 17's? and wut tires size should i be running? i know i will probably need spacers, but if its not going to look better than my UFO with the 17x7 +40, then i mite just get a set of coils...thx

[OptionZero]

235/40/17

you can't fit any good wheels (and look half decent) on an S-chassis unless you have coilovers/arms to lower and align the suspension

[Frixco_240]

how bout 225/45/17?

[OptionZero]

fits but taller

[Frixco_240]

which would look better? and would not rub? or anything? wut im askin is which one would fit nicer?

[240silvia]

Also i think the 962's will rub like hell on the front strut, i know to fit them on my car i needed spacers. Save your money and get coilovers or just buy some low offset rims that do fit.


ThatGuy is right. You will need 5mm spacers up front. I had these wheels, 17x9 +35 all the way around. With the spacers, you will be fine. But, they are HEAVY! lol

[PITCH]

If you stuck on springs go w/ sportlines they will give you the lowest drop.

[blackflag_Rms13]

If you're too cheap to buy decent wheels, I'd have to assume you'd be too cheap to buy 18" tires...

[jussjepbrox]

fender flares ftw

[Frixco_240]

well, i mean, its not that im cheap... its just that my car was broken into in broad daylight and my stereo is gone, and they fucked up my alarm and hella wires. after that happened, i was thinkin to myself, wuts the point of buying these expensive wheels wen it's probably even easier to take then my system. yes i do have wheel locks and all that, but just think.... if someones gonna take ur wheels, they will take it right? so why not spend money on decent looking wheels that dont cost an arm and a leg. i mean... who doesn't want 18 x10 forged mag te-37's.. but is it practical or necessary? quick question tho 225/24/17? or 235/40/17? i dont want my tires to look hella thin

[OptionZero]

honestly, if you're gonna settle for inferior equipment out of fear of thieves, you should sell your 240 and get a different car. See all the stolen 240 threads?

by getting crappy wheels, you're just buying parts for the sake of buying them...whats the point? they won't look good, they aren't functional, and you aren't gonna use the car for anything other than DD

[AN89HATCH]

Pics?
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No spacer in rear
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b27/itzukii/menew.jpg
Heres one with a 25mm spacer up front, and no spacer in rear
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b27/itzukii/IMG_0219.jpg
heres one with a 25mm spacer in rear and a pull
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b27/itzukii/DSC00548.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b27/itzukii/DSC00792.jpg

I like them, they are not as bad as every one makes them out to be. The are heavy but look nice.

[vanish1]

I really dislike sportmax wheels, especially the 962s. They have brought this sorta cheap fakeness to the whole 240 scene.

Anyways, dont waste your money on these wheels, buy some used good wheels instead.

Each wheel weighs 25-28 lbs each, that is horrible unsprung weight esp since your engine is stock. I feel sorry for your brakes when they have to stop all that extra weight in a tight situation.

If your not willing to properly do a correct wheel setup for your 240 then dont even waste your time, its such an insult to everyone else that goes about it the correct way

[MOUNTAINGARAGE]

there is the exact same thing that happens in EVERY market. Do you buy Generic at the pharmacy? Do shop at WholeFoods and buy organic, or settle for the grocery store brand of product X? Real Deal vintage T shirts and Jeans or factory faded Abercrombie crap? I doubt ANYONE on here practices what they preach when it comes to other markets. But everyone is quick to Cyber Slam the guy that wants wheels that provide "the look" for less.

I have had super-expensive wheels in the past. I impressed the "jdm elite club" at the drift meets, whoopty-doo.... but for the average kid that wants a cool looking car on a budget there should be inexpensive alternatives. We all know that the used wheels at Takumi Project and other shops are still pricey and scratched/faded.

I think we should help these guys by finding an inexpensive wheel that has the proper offsets to be tucked and flush. Impossible? maybe with the correct spacers? comments? Later --

[Grandpa]

17x9s w/ 20mm spacers all the way around and rolled fenders. I got them local used. I wanted something cheap, something that looked good, and something I didn't want to care about. If these wheels are going on your beater/daily driver, then they're perfect IMO. And I feel the same way about spending thousands of dollars on wheels for a shitty ass 240 as most of these guys feel about putting shitty wheels on a "badass" 240. ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/jbragelman/90%20se/new_shot2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/jbragelman/90%20se/new_shot1.jpg

[ZX88]

get the 17s with springs and struts

[zero.counter]

I really dislike sportmax wheels, especially the 962s. They have brought this sorta cheap fakeness to the whole 240 scene.

Anyways, dont waste your money on these wheels, buy some used good wheels instead.
These are opinions and are irrelevant. Our current gov't is a prime example.

Each wheel weighs 25-28 lbs each, that is horrible unsprung weight esp since your engine is stock. I feel sorry for your brakes when they have to stop all that extra weight in a tight situation.
Drop the spare tire (on the car), swap to a smaller battery like an odyssey, etc. This sounds like regirgitated internet myth. About the brakes, run some controlled experiements by an independent laboratory, or provide evidence from more than 100 people that have had accidents attributed to this, then we can talk.

If your not willing to properly do a correct wheel setup for your 240 then dont even waste your time, its such an insult to everyone else that goes about it the correct way
Define proper, in this respect at least. This is another blatant opinion. Start your threads with the words, "Editorial", if you are going to continue throwing around this kind of info.

NOW ENTERING BOOK MODE

Everyone uses their cars for different reasons. Some like theirs to be aesthetically pleasing, some like to mechanically enhance it, some like both, and some don't care and DD (daily driver) it. If they want the sportmax for looks, then let it be. But telling others that it will cause problems braking, is an incorrect wheel setup, or defending others because you feel they were insulted, is indicative of a tool.

If the wheels do really suck, then it will be evidenced on multiple forums like the XSPOWER turbos were. I have yet to see any forums that have had numerous discussions concerning how the engineering of the wheels caused someone to loose their life or their car. Just unfounded witchunts, to say the least.

JDM is a state of mind for many, and mimicking another country's culture means that you are lacking any insight into you own. Bragging about spending mint on some wheels, when others are out there dying for our country seems almost meaninginless. Take step back and ask yourself if purchasing wheels that cost more than an old outdated car are really even worth it.

The saying is, "to each their own". But do so with style and finesse, and not to make yourself look, "bakayarou".

Back on subject, I do appreciate the pics. Nice setups.

[datboibrad]

These are opinions and are irrelevant. Our current gov't is a prime example.


Drop the spare tire (on the car), swap to a smaller battery like an odyssey, etc. This sounds like regirgitated internet myth. About the brakes, run some controlled experiements by an independent laboratory, or provide evidence from more than 100 people that have had accidents attributed to this, then we can talk.


Define proper, in this respect at least. This is another blatant opinion. Start your threads with the words, "Editorial", if you are going to continue throwing around this kind of info.

NOW ENTERING BOOK MODE

Everyone uses their cars for different reasons. Some like theirs to be aesthetically pleasing, some like to mechanically enhance it, some like both, and some don't care and DD (daily driver) it. If they want the sportmax for looks, then let it be. But telling others that it will cause problems braking, is an incorrect wheel setup, or defending others because you feel they were insulted, is indicative of a tool.

If the wheels do really suck, then it will be evidenced on multiple forums like the XSPOWER turbos were. I have yet to see any forums that have had numerous discussions concerning how the engineering of the wheels caused someone to loose their life or their car. Just unfounded witchunts, to say the least.

JDM is a state of mind for many, and mimicking another country's culture means that you are lacking any insight into you own. Bragging about spending mint on some wheels, when others are out there dying for our country seems almost meaninginless. Take step back and ask yourself if purchasing wheels that cost more than an old outdated car are really even worth it.

The saying is, "to each their own". But do so with style and finesse, and not to make yourself look, "bakayarou".

Back on subject, I do appreciate the pics. Nice setups.
very well said. i get extrmely tired of hearing people say dont buy a wheel because its cheap. if it fits your needs/wants for your setup then buy them if you like them. its your car so it should be your decision that matters and you that gets ultimately pleased on hte final result.

[vanish1]

Drop the spare tire (on the car), swap to a smaller battery like an odyssey, etc. This sounds like regirgitated internet myth. About the brakes, run some controlled experiements by an independent laboratory, or provide evidence from more than 100 people that have had accidents attributed to this, then we can talk.


Ok so now your taking weight away from other places to compensate for the extra weight added by the wheels, that really does not make much sense. Unsprung weight is horrible, a heavier wheel which moves less will not absorb as much vibration; the irregularities of the road surface will transfer to the cabin through the geometry of the suspension and hence ride quality is deteriorated. So lets put this all together, for a DD you would want better ride quality, so sportmax wheels pretty much defeat the purpose.

Everyone uses their cars for different reasons. Some like theirs to be aesthetically pleasing, some like to mechanically enhance it, some like both, and some don't care and DD (daily driver) it. If they want the sportmax for looks, then let it be. But telling others that it will cause problems braking, is an incorrect wheel setup, or defending others because you feel they were insulted, is indicative of a tool.


Peformance over aesthetics always, you saying that it sometimes works the other way is indictive of you being a tool.

[zero.counter]

Ok so now your taking weight away from other places to compensate for the extra weight added by the wheels, that really does not make much sense. Unsprung weight is horrible, a heavier wheel which moves less will not absorb as much vibration; the irregularities of the road surface will transfer to the cabin through the geometry of the suspension and hence ride quality is deteriorated.
Do me a favor and weigh stock s14 alloys with tire and compare to a set of these (in 17in form). You will be over about 15lbs max on each sportmax, around a grand total of 60 extra lbs. I hope we don't have any major accidents, especially if someone chooses those 15in.'ers. My reason for sighting the sprung weight was due to the fact that the amounts are miniscule. Show me where it makes that much of a difference on a comparable scale.

Road noise is derived form many factors, but the wheels themselves and not the tires? What part of the car actually makes contact with the road? Visit a tire website and look into road noise.

Ride quality is deteriorated for many reasons. Suspension as a whole plays a large part in that. But if john doe wants to upgrade to some 17s, on stock suspension (as many do), with some tires that are not low profile with alot of "stretching", then his perception of ride quality may be different that what you think.

So lets put this all together, for a DD you would want better ride quality, so sportmax wheels pretty much defeat the purpose.
Your perceptions of fact to opinion are hazy, it seems. "Better ride quality", you say. Better than what? That comparison would be opinion.

"Sportmax wheels pretty much defeat the purpose"...Damn, do you own a set and have you driven on them at length personally? How about some of the owners chime in here and see if this guy's opinion has some validity.


Basically what I am trying to say, is don't throw around opinions, expect to not be called out for justification if randomness chooses you, and



Peformance over aesthetics always, you saying that it sometimes works the other way is indictive of you being a tool.
Back to square one, it is elementary, quite frankly. You are throwing around another opinion, and I honor that. But don't defend it with useless banter. And using my responses worded against me shows who the tool is. My words are already controlling you to respond... ;)

Just spit it out, you hate the wheels, think they are cheap because they are not made in japan, die for option videos, love drifting, and think japan is the coolest place in the world. If none of the above, please forgive me.

[vanish1]

Do me a favor and weigh stock s14 alloys with tire and compare to a set of these (in 17in form). You will be over about 15lbs max on each sportmax, around a grand total of 60 extra lbs. I hope we don't have any major accidents, especially if someone chooses those 15in.'ers. My reason for sighting the sprung weight was due to the fact that the amounts are miniscule. Show me where it makes that much of a difference on a comparable scale.

Road noise is derived form many factors, but the wheels themselves and not the tires? What part of the car actually makes contact with the road? Visit a tire website and look into road noise.

Ride quality is deteriorated for many reasons. Suspension as a whole plays a large part in that. But if john doe wants to upgrade to some 17s, on stock suspension (as many do), with some tires that are not low profile with alot of "stretching", then his perception of ride quality may be different that what you think.


Your perceptions of fact to opinion are hazy, it seems. "Better ride quality", you say. Better than what? That comparison would be opinion.

"Sportmax wheels pretty much defeat the purpose"...Damn, do you own a set and have you driven on them at length personally? How about some of the owners chime in here and see if this guy's opinion has some validity.


Basically what I am trying to say, is don't throw around opinions, expect to not be called out for justification if randomness chooses you, and




Back to square one, it is elementary, quite frankly. You are throwing around another opinion, and I honor that. But don't defend it with useless banter. And using my responses worded against me shows who the tool is. My words are already controlling you to respond... ;)

Just spit it out, you hate the wheels, think they are cheap because they are not made in japan, die for option videos, love drifting, and think japan is the coolest place in the world. If none of the above, please forgive me.


A. when did road noise come into the discussion? I didnt mention it one time.
B. The thread starter isnt looking to get into anything serious suspension wise, so for a DD thats supposed to be comfortable, whats the point of putting on wheels that deteriorate ride quality (aesthetics dont count), ride quality vs. stock setup that is.
C. Its not an opinion, unsprung weight causes deterioration in ride quality, I have never owned sportmax wheels, but based on inductive reasoning, one can assume that the heavier the wheel the more problems it causes (unsprung weight).
D. I hate the wheels because they serve no purpose performance wise, not once did I ever mention anything about japan and all the crap you just mentioned. When you assume you make an ass out of you and me.
E. Above anything else, the majority of what ive been trying to argue is based on facts pulled from old threads and definitions. YOUR THE ONE THAT IS SPITTING OPINIONS, instead of suggesting that unsprung weight doesnt cause that big of difference, why dont you show me? All you do is talk the talk, walk the walk a little, provide some actual information for a couterpoint.

[zero.counter]

A. when did road noise come into the discussion? I didnt mention it one time.
Ride quality incorporates road noise. I stated that as that is the only justifiable reason I could see why the sportmax would compromise ride quality.

B. The thread starter isnt looking to get into anything serious suspension wise, so for a DD thats supposed to be comfortable, whats the point of putting on wheels that deteriorate ride quality (aesthetics dont count), ride quality vs. stock setup that is.
This, is opinion...which is what I have been trying to get across to you. We need substantiated proof, or you will get called out.

C. Its not an opinion, unsprung weight causes deterioration in ride quality, I have never owned sportmax wheels, but based on inductive reasoning, one can assume that the heavier the wheel the more problems it causes (unsprung weight).
I did not contend the unsprung weight comment. Only offered a comparison of a stock wheel so you could have something to think about when knocking on a wheel that is a couple of pounds heavier. Inductive reasoning? Sounds more like a heavily opinionated farce.

D. I hate the wheels because they serve no purpose performance wise, not once did I ever mention anything about japan and all the crap you just mentioned. When you assume you make an ass out of you and me.
How do the wheels serve no purpose? Maybe not your's but maybe someone elses. As I stated, everyone has their reasons and we don't all think like you, hence me debating this with you. The stuff about japan is due to the fact that most of the fanboys here for the higher priced stuff, make comments similar to yours. It was a parody, not an assumption...kinda like sarcasm..;)

E. Above anything else, the majority of what ive been trying to argue is based on facts pulled from old threads and definitions. YOUR THE ONE THAT IS SPITTING OPINIONS, instead of suggesting that unsprung weight doesnt cause that big of difference, why dont you show me? All you do is talk the talk, walk the walk a little, provide some actual information for a couterpoint.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Where are my opinions? Where do I suggest that unsprung weight does not cause a big difference? I stated that the amounts were miniscule, that was all. And I am regarding the current topic. So don't get all crazy and starting fabricating more statements. What talk? Oh you mean what you have been doing?

I have no opinions, only that you don't have proof that sportmax sucks, or i'm sorry..."offer poor ride quality, have a sorta cheap fakeness, have a horrible unprung weight on the stock car which make you pity the brakes, and that they are an insult to everyone else that goes about it the correct way".

IS WHAT THIS GUY SAID OPINION OR FACT?
Anyone can be the judge on this one.

[vanish1]

Ok so to respond to what you said:

Ride quality incorporates road noise. I stated that as that is the only justifiable reason I could see why the sportmax would compromise ride quality.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsprung_weight
many more reasons then just road noise that heavy wheels would cause.

Originally Posted by vanish1
B. The thread starter isnt looking to get into anything serious suspension wise, so for a DD thats supposed to be comfortable, whats the point of putting on wheels that deteriorate ride quality (aesthetics dont count), ride quality vs. stock setup that is.

This, is opinion...which is what I have been trying to get across to you. We need substantiated proof, or you will get called out.

hey im planning on picking up a set of the sport max 962's. i have tokico HP's (blues) and tein s-tech's. everything else is stock. currently rocking 17x7's +40, and my car looks like a ufo. im going to stick with my suspension for a while

Now refer back to the link I posted.


Originally Posted by vanish1
C. Its not an opinion, unsprung weight causes deterioration in ride quality, I have never owned sportmax wheels, but based on inductive reasoning, one can assume that the heavier the wheel the more problems it causes (unsprung weight).

I did not contend the unsprung weight comment. Only offered a comparison of a stock wheel so you could have something to think about when knocking on a wheel that is a couple of pounds heavier. Inductive reasoning? Sounds more like a heavily opinionated farce.


Stock S13 wheel weighs 18 lbs IIRC....962's weigh 28 lbs, an additional 40 lbs. For the 240 its about 5 hp per 100 lbs lost, granted 2.3 hp is not mind blowing, its a step in the right direction. Losing weight=rational, gaining weight=irrational.

How do the wheels serve no purpose? Maybe not your's but maybe someone elses. As I stated, everyone has their reasons and we don't all think like you, hence me debating this with you.

by getting crappy wheels, you're just buying parts for the sake of buying them...whats the point? they won't look good, they aren't functional, and you aren't gonna use the car for anything other than DD

[Frixco_240]

goin with the 17x9's, wut size tire should i run without having any problems? 225/45/17? or 235/40/17. i dont want my tires to look so thin. so probably the 225/45? but will it rub in the front?

[MOUNTAINGARAGE]

Stock S13 wheel weighs 18 lbs IIRC....962's weigh 28 lbs, an additional 40 lbs. For the 240 its about 5 hp per 100 lbs lost, granted 2.3 hp is not mind blowing, its a step in the right direction. Losing weight=rational, gaining weight=irrational.

Good statement, but, No one is arguing the performance decrease of unsprung weight.

what was said is exactly what you stated above. 2.3 hp sacrificed by installing Sportmax wheels? :duh: what about the added grip in the corners? What about the added steering response? I think you need to stop ranting about your opinions on wheels. State some facts like how the bad the casting process is that sportmax uses or how the company refuses to warranty stress cracks <- not true just an example.

If you are going to blast a product, use facts. good statements zero.

[Grandpa]

Good statement, but, No one is arguing the performance decrease of unsprung weight.

what was said is exactly what you stated above. 2.3 hp sacrificed by installing Sportmax wheels? :duh: what about the added grip in the corners? What about the added steering response? I think you need to stop ranting about your opinions on wheels. State some facts like how the bad the casting process is that sportmax uses or how the company refuses to warranty stress cracks <- not true just an example.

If you are going to blast a product, use facts. good statements zero.

Technically the "lost" horsepower is greater because you're adding rotational mass. But honestly, who gives a fuck? Only the bench racers spewing incorrect information.

[ayuaddict]

get the sportmax 002s?

[irax]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsprung_weight
many more reasons then just road noise that heavy wheels would cause.

This article or section does not cite its references or sources.

I wouldn't source wikipedia on the fact that it is all USER entry. If it was road&track, edmunds, car&driver, or even howstuffworks it would be more legit.

Ride quality (in assumption that the suspension is in top working condition) is soley due to tire quality. You trade off ride quality for sportyness by getting a smaller sidewall. Not because the wheel is heavyer but because the side wall is smaller. Here is an experiment you can try at home. Go get your stock s13 wheels, buy a pair of 205/60/15's all season tires. and then buy 195/45/15's (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compare1.jsp?width=195%2F&ratio=45&diameter=15&startIndex=0&search=true&pagelen=20&pagenum=1&pagemark=1&RunFlat=All&x=66&y=3) now tell me how the ride quality has degraded because of the smaller side wall but then rave about how its performance was so much better.

[irax]

expecting some one to asky me to source my reply, well unfortunatly I dont have sources. But I do have references that back it up

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/at_010612.htm

Lets look at tire design first. While the number of belts and layers beneath the tread surface have some effect on ride, it is the tire sidewall that provides most of the ride. Radial tires have a very flexible sidewall. There are descriptors on the tire sidewall that shows us if the tire has a 2-ply, 4-ply, or higher rating.

Ply refers to the number of layers used in the sidewall construction, but a 4-ply rating doesn't necessarily indicate it actually has 4-ply construction. It just indicates it is as strong as a tire with 4-ply construction. Most passenger cars use 2 or 4 ply rated tires, while larger trucks may use 6 or more ply construction. The higher the rating, the stiffer the tire sidewall and the harsher ride it provides. The advantage of a higher ply rating is that it can carry a heavier load.

Sidewall height or aspect ratio is another factor in ride quality. The relatively high sidewall of a typical "70" series passenger tire ( ie: P215/70R-15) can flex substantially when the tire goes over a bump, so the passengers are cushioned from the jar. The low sidewalls of "50" series performance tire ( ie: P255/50R-17) flex very little when a bump is encountered. The short stiff sidewalls enhance handling because the tire treads react quicker to the inputs from the steering wall, but ride is not as smooth. Modern suspension designs have helped ride quality a lot, but performance tires still give a harsher ride.

[drift freaq]

I wouldn't site any fact information from Wikpedia. For the exact reason as stated above. Its a user entry situation based on info garned by people with biased opinions. I.E. the average joe internet user. Anyone who uses it for a information source needs to go back to school.
There are actually sites on the net with more accurate information. Like the sites stated above but again even some of those are inaccurate.
An example of that is Car and Drivers publishing of Z car weights based on SCCA track cars as the actual weight of 240,260,280's. Its flat out wrong because based on a stripped out chassis prepped for track.
Pick and and chose your information carefully on the web, for wheels and everything else. There is a lot of information posted on the web, that is posted as fact that may or may not be accurate.

[irax]

yeah publications are a little more iffy but its way more legitamit then wiki...

[CylonFrakker]

if you want ride quality get some balloon tires.

[axiomatik]

personally, i would not get them due to their weight. first of all, 40 pounds in unsprung weight is not the same as 40 pounds in sprung weight. The force required to accelerate the sprung mass is linearly proportional to the mass. In other words, if you double the weight of your car, it will take twice as much force to acheive the same acceleration. However, for rotating bodies (the wheel/tire assembly) the force required is proportional to the square of the mass. So if you double the weight of a wheel assembly, it will take four times as much force to acheive the same acceleration (of the wheel). That does not mean your car will be 4 times slower, since the mass of the wheels is only a fraction of the whole. This is why lightened flywheels have a noticeable effect on engine response. It may be only about 6 pounds lighter, but it's a rotating mass, so the effect is amplified. Adding 10 pounds to each wheel will make a noticeable effect if you are runnning a near stock KA. When I went from steelies to my current wheels, which weigh about 19 pounds, I could feel that my car was slower immediately. It wasn't a huge difference, but it was noticeable.

As already mentioned, heavier wheels will also degrade ride quality. When a wheel hits a bump, it starts to move up relative to the chassis. Because the wheel assembly is heavier, it carries more momentum than a lighter wheel, therfore requiring a larger force to absorb the shock. This results in a larger force being applied to the chassis, which makes the bumps more noticeable to you. How much of a change this will cause, I don't know, you might not even notice it.

My advice would be to find some used wheels that you like that don't weigh as much.

[Frixco_240]

goin with the 17x9's, wut size tire should i run without having any problems? 225/45/17? or 235/40/17. i dont want my tires to look so thin. so probably the 225/45? but will it rub in the front?

so some people are saying that i shouldn't get the wheels because it will make my car slower... but uhm...will 3hp get me to skool or work 10 min faster? yes FN's are nice and they have better offsets too, but honestly if im not gonna be tracking it, do i need light wheels? as long as the handling for DD is not affected and it doesn't give me problems, wheere i have to roll fenders and all that, then its good. so wu tire should i be runnin?:ughug: :o

[irax]

sorry didnt notice they were 9's then 215-245/45/17 all around should be fine.

[Grandpa]

personally, i would not get them due to their weight. first of all, 40 pounds in unsprung weight is not the same as 40 pounds in sprung weight. The force required to accelerate the sprung mass is linearly proportional to the mass. In other words, if you double the weight of your car, it will take twice as much force to acheive the same acceleration. However, for rotating bodies (the wheel/tire assembly) the force required is proportional to the square of the mass. So if you double the weight of a wheel assembly, it will take four times as much force to acheive the same acceleration (of the wheel). That does not mean your car will be 4 times slower, since the mass of the wheels is only a fraction of the whole. This is why lightened flywheels have a noticeable effect on engine response. It may be only about 6 pounds lighter, but it's a rotating mass, so the effect is amplified. Adding 10 pounds to each wheel will make a noticeable effect if you are runnning a near stock KA. When I went from steelies to my current wheels, which weigh about 19 pounds, I could feel that my car was slower immediately. It wasn't a huge difference, but it was noticeable.

As already mentioned, heavier wheels will also degrade ride quality. When a wheel hits a bump, it starts to move up relative to the chassis. Because the wheel assembly is heavier, it carries more momentum than a lighter wheel, therfore requiring a larger force to absorb the shock. This results in a larger force being applied to the chassis, which makes the bumps more noticeable to you. How much of a change this will cause, I don't know, you might not even notice it.

My advice would be to find some used wheels that you like that don't weigh as much.

Sprung weight is not limited to rotational weight. You insinuate this.

[axiomatik]

Sprung weight is not limited to rotational weight. You insinuate this.

no, it's not, but it does make up the bulk of the unsprung weight. I was really just using the terminology as an quick and easy differentiator.

[SimpleS14]

and scratched/faded.

I think we should help these guys by finding an inexpensive wheel that has the proper offsets to be tucked and flush. Impossible? maybe with the correct spacers? comments? Later --


Get some FNs??

[AN89HATCH]

I have the wheels, and honestly I have not notice any performance loss. Daily driving is fine, bumpy like every other car with coils, and a streched tire. My car feels the same power wise (its always been slow), just it handles ALOT!!! better compared to 15x7 meshies, or stock wheels, I guess because they are now 9 in, and 9.5 inches so more tire is hitting the ground. The spacer sticks them out further, (wider is better? lol) my car feels like a go-kart. Braking feels the same as always. I’ve done heavy driving, and some drifting. and the car does everything fine. With smaller 7 inch wide wheels, in teh rain, on accel I sometimes would feel teh tires loose traction. Dosnt do it any more with the 9.5's back there. I just wanted a wheel that looked decent, wide, and that did not cost more than my car lol. To me honestly expensive wheels for a 240sx its not worth it. First its a 240sx, and second Some one would prob steal the expensive bling jdm wheels, or the whole car any ways. Grandpa your car looks nice!! makes me want to go back to the stock clean look lol

[zero.counter]

I think the person arguing with me was continuing on due to pride. Opinion is opinion, and that was all I was initially calling out. I won't even get into the rest of his comments about unsprung weight and not. And trying to bring about the point on what the thread was initially discussing...I go off-topic everywhere, and somehow manage to keep it somewhat relevant. Oxymorinic uh?

Honestly, who wants to look dumb in front of others. But seriously, I still don't believe that the wheels will have that much of an impact on performance, at least not enough to whine about it on the net. It's not like they are some cragars freaking old school ARs. Ride 'em, rip 'em, and flaunt 'em. Whether they are expensive or not, as I already said, everyone has their own reasons for getting anything.

$5 says he posts back, even though others disagreed. :)

[zero.counter]

Get some FNs??
Yeah, but that will just bring up more people hating on them since many already run 'em. But yes, they do the job with plenty options. Just like those MB wheels were the fad for awhile.

[SoCalSilvia]

I had the wheels on my 4-lug S14 in the staggered 18" setup. Wheels look really good(IMO), and I received many compliments, not only from random non-enthusiasts but also from people who are in the 240 scene. However, the wheels are extremely heavy as stated above. I felt the difference in the weight after installing them on my car. It didn't bother me that much because my car was used for daily driving and the wheels satisfied my need for an affordable, decent sized, good looking wheel in 4-lug.

Here is a pic of my old S14 with the wheels. I did have coilovers and needed a 7mm spacers up front to clear. Tire sizes 225/40 up front, and 265/35 in the rear.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/nyteryda3/240sx/100_0440.jpg

[Frixco_240]

mmmm kaye...... so heres wut happened... instead of the 17x9 962's, i got the sportmax 006 in 17x8 front and 17x9 rears +35 all around color is black. 225/45/17 front tires and 245/40/17 rears, and the wheels sits perfect with the fenders. i like the wheels, but they are hella heavy. my car does feel a lil bit slower rite after i put the wheels on and braking the car feels a little different. BUT... like i said, not looking to track my car, so i just need to get used to driving like a grandma. the 006's are really nice... the lip is like a freakin mirror. the tires are a lil thick tho, kinda makes my car look like a muscle car. theres about a two finger gap in between the fender and tires, but its MUCH better than the 17x7 +40. as for ride quality, it is ALOT better than the 17x7's i guess because of the bigger tires. my gf says its much less bouncy now, and she likes it. but yea... damn they are heavy. ehhh beggers cant be choosers.

[HKSdrift3r]

^^ pics man!!

[chmercer]

rofl THE LIP IS LIKE A FREAKIN MIRROR

[sittinsideways]

not to thread jack but it is somewhat on topic. would 17x8.5 +25 fit flush on a s13 hatch? if not what size spacers would be needed. thanks

as far as your wheels go. get sumthing that will fit and get um flush and as long as you like um thats all that matters. if u like your wheels hella sunk and others hate, who cares its your car.

[charmersfh]

17x9 all around with 5mm spacers in the front..

http://www.superhonda.com/photopost/data/519/medium/223.jpg

http://www.superhonda.com/photopost/data/519/medium/NewFlick.jpg

[HKSdrift3r]

hella noice!! i wish mine would sit like that.. but no coilovers for me :(

[MeSs]

I got the Sportmax 006 now, 18x8,5 and 18x9,5
How big spacers/studs do i need? Also got megan track coilovers and suspension arm kit..

[markyboi]

whoa, bump from the dead!

[MeSs]

whoa, bump from the dead!
Better bumping than writing a new thread about those much discussed wheels ;)
Also, i did search. and i found this thread.

[DP_Michelle G]

i think it's a 5 or 10mm spacer hope this helps

[Matej]

Always get the biggest wheels you can afford! If they don't fit you can bang some stuff with a hammer, it'll be fine. If you get the small ones you'll regret it next time a civic on 20s pulls up next to you.
Haha, best advice ever.

[KawBoy]

What these wheels sit like with springs/struts setup?

[dvdevo]

mmmm kaye...... so heres wut happened... instead of the 17x9 962's, i got the sportmax 006 in 17x8 front and 17x9 rears +35 all around color is black.

hey got pics of said rims on your car? I'm hoping to pick up some 006s. How much did you get them for?

[maximus nismo]

I really dislike sportmax wheels, especially the 962s. They have brought this sorta cheap fakeness to the whole 240 scene.

Anyways, dont waste your money on these wheels, buy some used good wheels instead.

Each wheel weighs 25-28 lbs each, that is horrible unsprung weight esp since your engine is stock. I feel sorry for your brakes when they have to stop all that extra weight in a tight situation.

If your not willing to properly do a correct wheel setup for your 240 then dont even waste your time, its such an insult to everyone else that goes about it the correct way


Is this hobby to enjoy your creation or impress fellow owners? I think it depends on your maturity and your perspective. Also, the use you have for your car.

Yes they are heavy, but so what? It's not the end of the world, it's not a sin, and the last time I checked, I don't think someone will be offended enough to shoot him.

[hellion240sx]

17x9 all around with 5mm spacers in the front..

http://www.superhonda.com/photopost/data/519/medium/223.jpg

http://www.superhonda.com/photopost/data/519/medium/NewFlick.jpg

since its brought back from the dead... what offset are those. you said 17x9 but left out the offset. just wondering. thanks

[bo2o]

get used jdm wheels with tires.!
save ur money
sportmax FOR THE LOSE.
BUY USED COILOVERS AND GODSPEED SWAYS!

[dorkidori_s13]

sportmax's look nice for those who dont have 2400-2800 for a brand name set of wheels...personally i like my 006's...theyre heavier than shit...but they look nice with 15mm spacers behind em...i have a set of rota D2s i take to the track to beat up...theyre cheap and who cares if i break one

if performance is key...then go spend 2-3 grand on a nice set of wheels...but honestly...expensive wheels should be one of the last things you buy (sorry but how the car runs and takes a beating is more important than a set of 3 grand wheels)

back to the original subject...heres how the 17x9/18x9.5s +35 006 wheels look with some 15mm spacers and 60mm wheel studs (962s will sit the same with the same above specs)...i think i have 2deg of camber in the rear and full camber in front...my fenders have been rolled and pulled a bit as well...the car sits on JIC FLT-A2s

http://a272.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/110/l_aa8dddbde28d90dff507f050dcd10e47.jpg

[dorkidori_s13]

I got the Sportmax 006 now, 18x8,5 and 18x9,5
How big spacers/studs do i need? Also got megan track coilovers and suspension arm kit..

id recommend no less than 15mm spacers...u can use 5-10mm and they work fine...but on stock wheel studs you wont have alot of thread left to clamp to...this can cause problems with snappin wheel studs

for your wheels...id recommend you pick up and install the below parts...

1) 60mm NISMO wheel studs
2) 4 15mm TCSportline wheel spacers
3) Muteki open ended lug nuts

pound out your stock studs...install the NISMO studs...pound out the studs from the spacers and slide the spacers over the 60mm wheel studs...put wheels on and bolt down with lug nuts

i wouldnt recommend beating your car up with very little wheel stud under the lug nut...makes for very stressful situations on the stud