M2 Miata vs. DOHC 240sx?

[XxDriverxX]

Hey guys..

I'm currently having a lil discussion with someone on the net who insits that a STOCK M2 Mazda Miata has better handling and is faster than a Ka24de stock 240sx (with Super HICAS and VLSD).

What do you guys thing?  What arguments do I have against him?  He's throwing at me the Miata's weight.. which he has a point in, what can I hold him on?

[DSC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (XxDriverxX @ June 25 2002,04:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what can I hold him on?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That your car looks cooler <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

I think they are faster man...but I'm not sure. &nbsp;What year is the M2?

[robinlow]

Come on, Can a Miata do 7.37s on 1/4 mile?
(The HKS S14 does 7.37s on 1/4 mile)

240SX is RWD, drifts like no other car!!

The front of the S14 is so spacious that an RB26DETT could fit.

S14 can also fit 19" rims, unless the guy is talking about an MRS (MR2 Spider) turbo, where it is rear wheel drive and mid engine, S14 should have better handling if you know how to drift through those tight corners.

Miata can not drift like 240SX.. Furthermore, it hard to compare performance because Miata is such a small car.
And If you want perfomance, you will not have a stock car, so why compare??

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (XxDriverxX @ June 26 2002,8:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey guys..

I'm currently having a lil discussion with someone on the net who insits that a STOCK M2 Mazda Miata has better handling and is faster than a Ka24de stock 240sx (with Super HICAS and VLSD).

What do you guys thing? What arguments do I have against him? He's throwing at me the Miata's weight.. which he has a point in, what can I hold him on?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
He's right, a Miata will beat a 240sx in most every racing area. Straight line a Miata will edge/tie a 240sx and in turns it is even better. Sorry you lost your arguement.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (robinlow @ June 27 2002,01:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Come on, Can a Miata do 7.37s on 1/4 mile?
(The HKS S14 does 7.37s on 1/4 mile)

S14 should have better handling if you know how to drift through those tight corners.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
There are Miata's out there that are in the 8.xx's that are alot closer to street legal then HKS's purpose built drag car. &nbsp;Further more drifting is the slowest way to take a corner almost 99% of the time.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (XxDriverxX @ June 26 2002,02:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what can I hold him on?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ummmm that if he hits something he is dead?

[robinlow]

Drifting..

Slow?? &nbsp;(may not be true, can take drift on really sharp corners though)

And definitely fun!!

If I want handling, I'd get 4wd!!

not a RWD

[adey]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (robinlow @ June 26 2002,07:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Drifting..
Slow?? (may not be true, can take drift on really sharp corners though)
And definitely fun!!
If I want handling, I'd get 4wd!!
not a RWD</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>
(where's the "rolleyes" when you need it)

[Yoshi]

Dammit I wish people would stop relating racing and drifting... they shouldn't even be in the same sentence. &nbsp;One is for competition, one is for fun, if you can't figure out that the difference is night and day, it's time to sell your car.

[rampid360]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Come on, Can a Miata do 7.37s on 1/4 mile?
(The HKS S14 does 7.37s on 1/4 mile)

240SX is RWD, drifts like no other car!!

The front of the S14 is so spacious that an RB26DETT could fit.

S14 can also fit 19" rims, unless the guy is talking about an MRS (MR2 Spider) turbo, where it is rear wheel drive and mid engine, S14 should have better handling if you know how to drift through those tight corners.

Miata can not drift like 240SX.. Furthermore, it hard to compare performance because Miata is such a small car.
And If you want perfomance, you will not have a stock car, so why compare?? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I dont usually bash newbs....but Im going to create some liberties and extend them to their fullest.

I've seen you post twice and once was about lambo doors and now this.....
A: rb26dett doesn't "fit" You can MAKE it fit IF you care to spend the money. Kinda like IF grandma had balls she'd be grandpa.
B: 19" rims? that will look fuckin sweet with those lambo doors <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'> Also read: Rotating Mass (http://integra.vtec.net/wheels/rotation.html)
and make sure to order them in chrome.........
C: drifting....this is why my insurance rates are so high....because people like you bust out the mad hella phat drift right over a curb and into a telephone poll. SHUTUP already with the drifting.
D: Its hard to compare performance because a miata is such a small car?? what does that have to do with anything. 240's aren't BIG cars by any standards. BMW's are much bigger...yet handle beautifully and are pretty quick. Think hp/weight ratio and weight distribution.

As for the poor kid who started this post:
The only numbers i could find for a 98 miata were:
140hp 119lbs with a car weighing around 2620lbs.
Cartest says it ran a 16.1 1320 with a 0-60 of 8.1
So in theory...we should be faster.
The weight distribution in that car was 52/48 Assuming the suspension is worth a shit...car should handle really nicely...Maybe the same but i dont know.
I haven't really tested a miata...but i can tell you that the gearbox is gods gift to cars. It just feels REALLY nice...much better then ours.

Hope this benefitted EVERYONE involved in this thread <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

dont want jeff getting blamed for my ranting.....he should remember to log out.

[HippoSleek]

Amen! &nbsp;Sorry to say, the Miata is a damb fast little car. &nbsp;I was watching them dang near keep up w/ 944's in a race this weekend (944 Cup cars running in same event w/ Spec Miatas). &nbsp;The 944 has LEGENDARY handling and I remember hearing one of the fastest 944 guys saying that it wasn't every day that there was a car that was faster than the 944 thorugh the turns and slower on the straights. &nbsp;

Handling - Miata
Speed - tie
Price - 240
Reliability - hmmm...
Utility - 240 (never thought I'd say THAT vs. another car)
Necessity of being confident w/ your masculinity to own - Miata

robinlow - why don't you go back to www.clubsi.com now? &nbsp;I don't think you are going to like it here.

[Zemus]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (robinlow @ June 25 2002,08:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Come on, Can a Miata do 7.37s on 1/4 mile?
(The HKS S14 does 7.37s on 1/4 mile)

240SX is RWD, drifts like no other car!!

The front of the S14 is so spacious that an RB26DETT could fit.

S14 can also fit 19" rims, unless the guy is talking about an MRS (MR2 Spider) turbo, where it is rear wheel drive and mid engine, S14 should have better handling if you know how to drift through those tight corners.

Miata can not drift like 240SX.. Furthermore, it hard to compare performance because Miata is such a small car.
And If you want perfomance, you will not have a stock car, so why compare??</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
wow your are wrong on so many levels,
-its the HKS 180sx with a rb26dett, with 1100HP,
-Miatas are RWD also
-You can put a rx7 engine in a miata
-Who the fuck cares about rims

(Half of this shit is talking about major mods,were talking stock)

Also miatas are lighter, and they drift great

god...

[bing]

i always thought &nbsp;they were fwd???

i could be wrong, but my girlfriend wants a miata, and i dont.

my old homosexual principal drives a miata, i dont.

my friends 50 year old mom drives a new miata with the full mazda kit, and i dont.

my 25 year old virgin friend went from an escort to a 2002 miata to get the chicks, he's not getting them. i could, but i's basically married.

miata's are nice little cars, they can looks real nice with those chrome roll bars, and they have a great AutoX reputation, they have a strong aftermarket.

i'd drive oen but i wouldnt buy one. &nbsp;i like my 240

[nrcooled]

Miatas are awsome little cars. &nbsp;They handle like a go cart (the size of one too) &nbsp;and have just enough hp to get that little thing going. &nbsp;They are not too godawful fast but enough for the little weight that it has. &nbsp;And Miatas are RWD hence the great handling characteristics.

As for robinlow this forum is more geared towards performance and not 19'' rims ::19'' rims are the antichrist to speed in our cars::

[XxDriverxX]

hmm, where do you get the stats for a weight distrebution?

How close is my 92 Hatchback to a 50/50 distrebution? &nbsp;Where can I read up on that?

[SeeMinhTheDemon]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rampid360 @ June 26 2002,10:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The weight distribution in that car was 52/50 Assuming the suspension is worth a shit...car should handle really nicely...Maybe the same but i dont know.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
no offense to you but i really hope you mean 52/48, because frankly 52/50 just doesnt add up to 100.

[kurissuS13]

i read somewhur that it's around 52/48 for the F/B, somethin like that. i'm prolly wrong, so someone give the correct specs. the near perfect distribution is what makes the 240sx/180sx/silvia's ideal for drifting, supposedly. i'm just spittin out what i read, so i could be wrong, so pls don't light me up. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

anyways, those miatas r somethin. at the last autoX, a miata clocked in at 43.5~ secs, the second best time. a camaro barely beat his time, 43.2~. they both could've been beaten by the evo7 that was thur, 44.2~.

[toddnappi]

i cant believe you guys are ripping on a miata because "non-sporty" people drive them. what about old ladies driving auto vets?? does that make a vet not fast? granted i dont think theyre cool but you cant base an argument on that. they have ALWAYS been rwd, real close weight distrubution, easily modified tight handling cars. i love the new ones with non pop up headlights.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (toddnappi @ June 27 2002,11:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i love the new ones with non pop up headlights.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The ones that look like "wonnabe vipers"? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

1. Miatas ARE RWD (figured that out while searching for an engine swap in my escort).
2. The only people i see drving them are 30+ males
3. I absolutely hate gay people that take out the fog lamps (or whichever those are) and substitute them with some shitty plastic. Looks plain ugly and gives the feeling of how cruel the owner is (since it looks like they get poked out)
4. As i said before: you hit an suv or something bigger at a speed of 30+ mph - you are almost dead.
5. I find my 240 much sexier (although my female friends don't think so, but why would i care?)

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (toddnappi @ June 28 2002,05:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i cant believe you guys are ripping on a miata because "non-sporty" people drive them. what about old ladies driving auto vets?? does that make a vet not fast? granted i dont think theyre cool but you cant base an argument on that. they have ALWAYS been rwd, real close weight distrubution, easily modified tight handling cars. i love the new ones with non pop up headlights.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
HAHA My friend once told me "only fat women and gay men drive miatas"

It's fairly true (his mom owned one &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':but:'> &nbsp; )

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ca18guy @ June 27 2002,11:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">HAHA My friend once told me "only fat women and gay men drive miatas"

It's fairly true (his mom owned one <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':but:'> )</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
...but his dad drove it all the time... ba da bum
===D <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>

Seriously, I would have one it I would fit. I'm trying to get my gf to get one now so I can "borrow" it sometimes... (that car would be Spec Miata trimmed in no time!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

BTW: why is it that fat people always drive tiny cars? I've never seen anyone under 350 lbs in Geo Metro! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'>

[robinlow]

wow your are wrong on so many levels, ??
-its the HKS 180sx with a rb26dett, with 1100HP,

There are 2 cars S14 that I know of in Japan that has rb26dett, > 900 HP

-Miatas are RWD also (True)
240SX is 50/50 (S13.. FACT)

-You can put a rx7 engine in a miata
Come on, turbo on RX7 are so unreliable..
Rotary Engine is great.. I have an FD..
But I still prefer S14

-Who the fuck cares about rims
Its not the rims, its the mods you can put in .
S14 probably has more options than miata.

Miata is a girl car...
And furthermore, when you ask ppl about drifting, no one talks about miatas..

(Maybe because no-one drive miatas because they are such great cars?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?? OR just that 240SX drifts better)

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm currently having a lil discussion with someone on the net who insits that a STOCK M2 Mazda Miata has better handling and is faster than a Ka24de stock 240sx (with Super HICAS and VLSD).
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">-its the HKS 180sx with a rb26dett, with 1100HP,

There are 2 cars S14 that I know of in Japan that has rb26dett, > 900 HP</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Read the bold in the first quote then read your quote, now please tell us how it relates to what he's saying.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">-Who the fuck cares about rims
Its not the rims, its the mods you can put in .
S14 probably has more options than miata.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

You have no clue how wrong you are. There are hordes of companies devoted to the miata. With over 1 million sold you can believe there is a huge aftermarket, alot more then I ever seen for 240SX's.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And furthermore, when you ask ppl about drifting, no one talks about miatas..

(Maybe because no-one drive miatas because they are such great cars??? OR just that 240SX drifts better)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I still don't see what drifting has to do with this thread &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

[240sxtreme]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (robinlow @ June 27 2002,11:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">-Miatas are RWD also (True)
240SX is 50/50 (S13.. FACT)

Miata is a girl car...
And furthermore, when you ask ppl about drifting, no one talks about miatas..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
do you have documentation or proof that the s13 is 50/50? &nbsp;with what engine? &nbsp;I've never heard of anything better then 52/48 for an s13. &nbsp;which is still good, I've just never seen any "proof" that any s13 is 50/50.

and if a Maita is a girls car, why do you see so many racing (by guys) at the track? &nbsp;either solo1 or solo2 or club racing...in fact, I've seen way way more miata's then 240's at the tracks.

the Miata is a great track car...if you're going for actual sport, then a miata would suffice. &nbsp;Although, I'd still stick with an s13....they're just too damn sexy!

If you're going for a daily driver, I'd go with a 240, as it's a little roomier, and there's a little bit more between you and that excursion coming into your lane.

[DuffMan]

He asked which one handles better and is faster. Not which one humps curbs better.

I think a suspension modded 240 could handle better than a stock miata, expecially the way they are set up for the USDM. But the miata obviously has better potential for handling. Our cars have better potenetial for straight line speed tho. We're like the Japanesse mustang. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[Yoshi]

Robinlow, are you just here to start shit?
Every thread I see you in, you're instigating. &nbsp;Take that SRO mentality somewhere else... I'm also wondering if you're a compulsive liar?

So far you said you own an S14, a 2002 Civic, and now an FD... I won't even get started on your rippin on the rotary, if you know WTF you're doing, it's a great dependable engine, it just requires more attention than say, a Honda. &nbsp;But I digress, you mentioned having an SR and gobs and gobs of mods in it in the lambo thread, where I might mention that several people called bullshit on you for your mod list (pacesetter header on your SR I think it was).

By my VERY rough calculation that means you have what? 65-76 grand in those 3 cars? &nbsp;

Seriously, I really would like to give you the benefit of the doubt, and if you have all 3 of those vehicles, more power to you... but the way you go about talking to people, you're just racking up enemies fast.

Do everyone a favor and cut the BS.

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Yoshi @ June 27 2002,5:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Robinlow, are you just here to start shit?
Every thread I see you in, you're instigating. Take that SRO mentality somewhere else... I'm also wondering if you're a compulsive liar?

So far you said you own an S14, a 2002 Civic, and now an FD... I won't even get started on your rippin on the rotary, if you know WTF you're doing, it's a great dependable engine, it just requires more attention than say, a Honda. But I digress, you mentioned having an SR and gobs and gobs of mods in it in the lambo thread, where I might mention that several people called bullshit on you for your mod list (pacesetter header on your SR I think it was).

By my VERY rough calculation that means you have what? 65-76 grand in those 3 cars?

Seriously, I really would like to give you the benefit of the doubt, and if you have all 3 of those vehicles, more power to you... but the way you go about talking to people, you're just racking up enemies fast.

Do everyone a favor and cut the BS.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
my sentiments exactly. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

[rotaryknight]

Robin-

If you say you have a FD then you should know that the Miata shares similar suspension characteristics. &nbsp;Miata are honestly not very high on "cool" factor but are a very very good all around car. &nbsp;Also how can you like your S14 over a FD? &nbsp;I mean I have fun with this S13 but I really really miss my FD.

Compared to 240sx even with a SR in it I think the Miata can have more potential. &nbsp;There are two turbo Miata's that I know of the are running consistent low 10's with stock blocks. &nbsp;Both the Miatas are "streetable" the HKS 180sx is not a street car. &nbsp;

The stock 1.8 motor isn't much to start with but can handle alot of abuse. &nbsp;I wouldn't put a 13B or 13B REW in a miata since it will screw up the car's handling characteristics (unless you want only drag). &nbsp;One of my friends put a 13B in his miats...great sleeper but was not an easy drop and it doesn't feel the same..it's not balanced anymore.

More potential the Miata has a slim advantage...but as for me owning one.....YEA RIGHT!

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ June 27 2002,6:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also how can you like your S14 over a FD?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hey! Don't forget you are on a 240sx msg board &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[rotaryknight]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ June 27 2002,6:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ June 27 2002,6:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also how can you like your S14 over a FD?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hey! Don't forget you are on a 240sx msg board <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hey not saying I don't have hell of alot of fun with my 240sx and there are lots of reliable potential power upgrades......but you have to admit that the FD was built as a true sports car.

Yes 240 can be made in to a potent street or track killer...a sports car but FD is well...it is what it is. &nbsp;I wouldn't have bought a 240sx if i didn't think it was a potential performer.

Oh I know you're not gettin on my back either but i just thought I should clear that up so others don't misread on the point i'm trying to make. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[okisil80]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DuffMan @ June 27 2002,3:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We're like the Japanesse mustang.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You hit the nail on the head. Mustangs are everywhere over there, and Silvias/180s are everywhere over here. Both have huge aftermarkets and are raced to death on their respective sides of the puddle. Not that what I have to say has anything to do with the rest of this thread.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ June 27 2002,7:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ June 27 2002,6:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ June 27 2002,6:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also how can you like your S14 over a FD?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hey! Don't forget you are on a 240sx msg board <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hey not saying I don't have hell of alot of fun with my 240sx and there are lots of reliable potential power upgrades......but you have to admit that the FD was built as a true sports car.

Yes 240 can be made in to a potent street or track killer...a sports car but FD is well...it is what it is. I wouldn't have bought a 240sx if i didn't think it was a potential performer.

Oh I know you're not gettin on my back either but i just thought I should clear that up so others don't misread on the point i'm trying to make. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hehe, well, before i bought my 240, the two cars i was constantly stopping to look at were an FD and an s14a. Now that i own an s14a, the only car that remains to stop for is the FD. Good thing there is one owned by some guy near my friend's house so i get to stop quite often <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> .... I won't even dare comparing s14 performance to FD one, but from the looks, i like em both equal, except FD is waaaaaaaaaay outa my budget.

[rotaryknight]

Well...this should help you feel easier about the S14. &nbsp;As much as I loved that car (FD) I'm not gonna rebuild it or build another one. &nbsp;Been there done that but I also don't want to go through all the hassle and pain in the ass that most FD owners can agree on. &nbsp;It was a great experience but not something I want to repeat.