Retrofitting HIDs into Popups....

['90RPS13]

I was wondering if there is a Writeup or How To on installing HIDs into Pop Ups. While searching, I read a few not to's from Mike at Clearcorners. If I shouldnt use H4 Conversion Lamps, what should I use to install them? Also, anyone know if Audi A4 HIDs will work? Not to Bright in the area of lighting. Thanks. *a

[Slidin240Wayz]

use the ebay specials. Since they have the clearest cover. The audi's works fine, but they are only single xenon. You will need a bixenon projector. Audi ahs one, maxima has one as well.

Carloa

['90RPS13]

A little oblivious to lights but any chance of in depth to what is single xenon and bixenon? So I cant use these? Thanks. *a

[rps13sr20det]

A little oblivious to lights but any chance of in depth to what is single xenon and bixenon? So I cant use these? Thanks. *a

bixenon is what newer BMW's have in their headlights. They use a single projector for low beam and highbeam....HELLA bright!

['90RPS13]

So with a Single Xenon, I can only have Low beams? If so, that perfectly fine for me. I am getting them for free so, beggers cant be choosers. Thanks Again Guys, *a

[LA_phantom_240]

as far as i know, a4 HIDs will work. I cant remember where i found what i know about retrofitting HID's, i think maybe it was caraudio.com/forum or on hidplanet.com... cant remember

[Slidin240Wayz]

if you only go single, you will not have any highbeams = unsafe.

www.hidplanet.com

[rps13sr20det]

if you only go single, you will not have any highbeams = unsafe.

www.hidplanet.com
doesn't really make it that unsafe. The other option is to buy a HID system with HiBeam kit

['90RPS13]

See I am performance over looks so I would rather not purchase a set of HIDs. I am only doing this because its a free set of HIDs. As far as not having high beams, I do not see why it would be unsafe. What do A4's do for Highbeams? Separate bulb? Thanks Again. *a

[mobilesuit818]

You have 3 options.
1. Go buy a hid conversion kit off of ebay or something and have mad glare.( this option really sucks.)
2. Retrofit your H4, intergrate existing hids into your housing, thus creating a cutoff so you dont blind other drivers. (this option would be best.)
3. Get some aux. Hid lights like sylvania system, and ghetto fab them into your car.

['90RPS13]

Have you done any of these? Any info on retroing them? Thanks. *a

[Anto]

I've done a sleepy eyed HID retrofit on my 3rd gen prelude before, with the pop up headlights. The retrofit is the best way to go, period.

Since the s13 uses an H4 bulb with intergrated low/hi beams, there is only one bulb for both. If you retrofit, you'll have to use a bi-xenon projector if you still want to retain the high beam option. When I did mine, I retrofitted Lexus RX330 single xenon projectors in, but I personally didn't care about the high beams. Having high beams are good, but the good bi-xenon projectors cost around $100-$200 more than single xenon ones.

Your Audi projectors are probably made by Valeo. In my opinion, they are crap compared to japanese projectors, but they're still in HID territory, and they give off lots of color.

Here are some problems I encounted when retrofitting:

#1 Problem on the prelude was HEADLIGHT SHAKE. Now, granted an S13 isn't a prelude, BUT the headlight arms share a similar design. S13's are old, and the headlight tends to have alot of free play in it. This combined with a sharp HID cutoff line is just ASKING to be pulled over. The fix? Tighten down all the loose nuts and bolts, and add neoprene and rubber washers where needed. On my prelude, I had to actually DRILL out the old riveted arm and add washers + nut and bolt.

Another area you might want to check out is clearance behind the pop-up assembly. If the projector is going to be retrofitted into an h4 headlight housing that will move up and down, the rear needs sufficient clearance. Remember that the bulb sticks out the back some, and the ballast connects to that, so figure 1-2 extra inches past the rear of the projector.

Those were the two main blocks when I installed mine. There are more, but I can't remember right now.

[LA_phantom_240]

I have an idea.. Could i get ebay specials, take the lens out, and cut about half the reflector off the back and use fiberglass to build the back of the reflector flush, then cut out whatever space needed for the projectors? It seems like that would solve the clearance issue and have more room for 2 projectors instead of one... just an idea. Oh and yes, the lenses would be put back on... and most likely the rest of the reflector blacked out...


Also, What if i were to just use halogen projectors? No need for fancy xenon as long as i get sharp light.. I can get better bulbs to get the color and output i want...

[Anto]

LAphantom - I'm not sure what you're talking about. Perhaps you can link me to an ebay auction of the item you had in mind.

You can use halogen projectors, BUT keep in mind that it's still halogen output. You're not going to get MORE output by using them compared to a regular H4 conversion housing, you're just going to get more evenly dispersed light. Keep in mind that most halogen projectors use a 55w halogen bulb. The only way you could get more lumens out of that would be to use a higher wattage bulb, and that in turn requires a wiring harness. I'm talking about the relayed setups that draw power directly from the battery, not the end connector plugs.

Retrofitting halogen projectors in are kind of pointless.
HID beats halogen in almost every single category - but you're going to have to spend the money to do it.

[LA_phantom_240]

I know exactly what it takes to get more light out of halogen... Ive seen at least 2 or 3 brands of bulbs that are 100w/120w lo/hi and wiring them up is a snap.... also, ive seen bulbs that are supposed to fit H4 or other bulb types that are HID... to retrofit housings...

But about what im saying, let me draw a few pics...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/phantom240/ProjectorRetrofit.jpg
Something like that...

[EchoOfSilence]

where's olds13....

[240silvia]

You should do what I did, S14 projectors, fab up a metal frame to fit the projector. Search S13 HID Retrofit, it will come up. In the mean time....

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid204/p49b6a099fa59344ef3df6844d1c4abf0/ef52af52.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid204/p30c8514b15aa5fd5990a6786695d3c0d/ef52af6e.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid204/p10fdcdaf799426908f5f39d866826c1c/ef52afbf.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid204/pdfc7058012332f22f6205227494fa6a7/ef8ad599.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid204/p9c3425392ff4bdc6e4987339404a5865/ef8ad587.jpg

[LA_phantom_240]

?!?
Youre not worried one bit about the projector lens are you..... I would be, the slightest scratch messes up beam pattern like a mofo..

Actually today while smoking a cigarette in a trunk full of resin fumes i was unintentionally getting high from i came up with an idea for what housings i would use for such a conversion... I would buy the regular sealed beam fluted lens headlights, and then take the lens off, and put the clear lens from the eBay specials on there, and proceed with the retrofit!

[LA_phantom_240]

WAIT.... couldnt i get projectors from a j30?

[LA_phantom_240]

no more info? Come on you guys, somebody has to know SOMETHING about this

[DRFT]

where's olds13....
He was banned a while back i think

[TipStylez]

that s14 projector looks nice, maby add a reflective chrome base and glass infront of it to make it look clean and actualy like a headylight =]

[projekt_s13]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid204/p49b6a099fa59344ef3df6844d1c4abf0/ef52af52.jpg


HAHA it looks like its scared.

[TipStylez]

^More like loaded on some good stuff.

[COstyle]

I have ebay h4 conversion, Acura ballasts/ignitors, and 8000k h4 hid bulbs. Lots of rewiring. Out of all the mods on my car I get compliments daily on my headlights...

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/costyle13/2284217_13_full.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/costyle13/2284217_14_full.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/costyle13/5ce27acd.jpg

['90RPS13]

Looks good. Only thing, need some coilovers. Overall, thats exactly what I am looking for. Pics of the headlights like behind the pop up? Thanks *a

[LA_phantom_240]

how bout of a divers POV night pic with the lights on?

[LA_phantom_240]

...hmm... looking into some cadillac projectors... dont know if theyre HID or not, but hell, i can get higher wattage bulbs if need be. Do you think that there is any way someone could get 2 projectors into the 240's popups?

[Slidin240Wayz]

stick with HID projectors, not halogen.

[TipStylez]

since were on the same subject.

On BMW and Audi projectors, at a angle they have a rainbow look to them, like they are just flashing LEDs. But directly infront they are white...Is it the projector or HID bulbs giving off this affect?

[LA_phantom_240]

the projector lens is what gives the cutoff spectrum look...


Well i cant pass up this deal on these headlights for the 03-06 cadillac cts. I think theyre halogen projectors, but the way i see it, since its my first retrofit, i dont wanna waste a lot more money and possibly screw up... if it works right and i feel i could do it again, time for round 2... HID style.

Besides, the headlights are 20 bucks each plus shipping... lol what a bargain

[LA_phantom_240]

I just had a brilliant idea. Let me know what you guys think.

Since ive been working with fiberglass lately, Ive come up with all sorts of different things to use on my car... I was thinking about those useless grilles under our blinkers... I was thinking of making a housing to put projectors in there as fog lights... wouldnt that be pimp?

[TipStylez]

Why not fill the whole housing with projectors. like 3 going across 3 going down haha. 9 fully lit highbeams!

BTW what bumper your talkin bout with the grilles?

[Siizzzoooo]

does anyone know what HID projectors out that are near-direct with slight modification fit into S14 kouki headlight housings?

I'm sure the info is out there, just didnt know exactly

[LA_phantom_240]

Now understand im not great at this, but for a general idea...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/phantom240/SHIOT.jpg

[LA_phantom_240]

lol... forgot zenkis dont have those grilles... only chukis did

Why not fill the whole housing with projectors. like 3 going across 3 going down haha. 9 fully lit highbeams!

BTW what bumper your talkin bout with the grilles?
Yeah i thought about something like that... i wanted to put a high and a low beam projector into my popups, but then i started thinking about the size, and theyre pretty big. smallest ive fround in actual headlights are like 2.5" and our headlights at their widest point are 6... now if i could find a way to make the housing bigger....

[TipStylez]

^Yeah i was thinking of somthing like your idea. But for a pignoise.

http://www.courtesyparts.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/240sx/B6125-RS13_t.jpg

I was thinking of adding a H3 bulb in the white/clear part of the turn signal housing and use them as fogs. But the makes too much heat..

Do projectors cause as much heat?

[LA_phantom_240]

yes. if not more... well at least halogen. Im starting to look into wether or not fiberglass will hold up to that kind of heat


LOL ive always wanted a pignose bumper cuz my car is black and known to me and all of my friends as kitt... from knight rider. I wanted to put LEDs int he nostrils and have em sweep like kitt... lol ownage

[TipStylez]

^Good idea

msg lg

[40daws]

The end of the bulb seems to have the cutoff built in and would not require a retrofit.And comes in factory color temps.http://hipposleek.co.jp/d-supass/hid.html

['90RPS13]

I am going to Retrofit a set of TT Projectors with A4 HIDs into a H4 Housing and seal it. I will make a write up. Hopefully all goes well. Wish me luck. *a

[LA_phantom_240]

Im turning my chuki bumper grilles into projector lights. I bought some cadillac cts headlights ima take apart for the projectors... wish me luck...

[TipStylez]

im doing shit, wish me luck.

[LA_phantom_240]

lol be sure to wipe when ur done!

[LA_phantom_240]

Well.. i started gutting the inside of the chuki grilles, started with one, in case it doesnt work how i wanted it to...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/phantom240/P7270104.jpg

Any suggestions?

[ThatGuy]

Damn. How big is the light? Almost looks like you should've just removed the grill, it's practically all cut away already.

[LA_phantom_240]

lol.. its a stock grille, im guessing for the smic on the JDM models... theres nothing behind the grille, which is why i thought it was a prime candidate for the conversion...

[S14DB]

Illegal height. You can't have headlights that low to the ground.

[LA_phantom_240]

the laws vary from state to state.... and besides, wouldnt they be "auxillary driving lights"? I.E. fogs?

[LA_phantom_240]

how many amps do you think a 100w bulb would draw? looking for a relay...

[Sir]

100W / 12V = XAmps IIRC

[LA_phantom_240]

Thanks for the info. I couldnt remember the formula...
17amps? hm... shouldnt be too ahrd to find a relay for that. I wonder if fiberglass will hold up to the head produced by 100 watt bulbs...

[TipStylez]

I have a feeling fiberglass wont...

[LA_phantom_240]

I have a feeling fiberglass wont...

...hmm... why not? if ya dont mind me askin... if maybe i drill a couple hole for the hot air to escape, or create some sort of vent louvres?

[TipStylez]

I was thinking the bulb will melt the fiberglass. But dosnt the projector housing it self keep the heat inside itself good enough to where it wont melt the fiberglass housing? Or the projector housing gets hot as hell also.

[waynehead05]

it's the projectors. i'lll post pics of my setup in a lil bit.

acura mdx projectors in an ebay clear conversion, with audi a6 3rd generation hella ballasts.

BTW you don't need a highbeam depending on where you drive. i do just fine without it.

[LA_phantom_240]

hmm.. i was thinking about attaching, say, a 4x6 headlight housing, trimmed down to fit the chuki bumper grilles... to give a neat chrome housing that wont melt, and would make ventillation a lot easier... i have plans for that.. what do you guys think? also, i thought about motorcycle headlights, or round headlights in general, being trimmed down to fit the bumper grilles... collaboration FTW...


DAMN another good idea hit me... trim my bumper to accept a 4x6 headlight, and retro it for projectors... wow, im on fire today

[TipStylez]

I think a cooler idea would be, buy some canadian running lights and convert them into turn signals. And retrofit some projectors where the turn signal orginaly was. Like RX-7s.

[LA_phantom_240]

...thought avout that, but the pastic housings that thr turn signals use arent nearly strong enough to withstand the heat produced by lights of any kind...

By the way, my friend came over with his 92 chevy van, which ahs 4x6 lights, and they fit nearly perfectly into the chuki bumper grilles... looks like my candidate for the conversion!

[DrtyRat]

100W/12V=Xamps


Thanks for the info. I couldnt remember the formula...
17amps? hm... shouldnt be too ahrd to find a relay for that. I wonder if fiberglass will hold up to the head produced by 100 watt bulbs...
wouldn't that be closer to 8.5 amps?....obviously you could get a larger relay to work but I'm not sure you want to go too high(btw, I'm only saying this b/c I'm not sure if the relay provides any kind of protection. I'm pretty sure that's what the fuse is for but if the relay acts in anyway like the fuse, in terms of amp rating, going too high would mean you'd prob. burn out what ever was hooked up to it before you reached its max amps...some one correct me if I'm wrong)

[Sir]

auto relays are standard 30amps. Fuse blows before your relay, thats its job. if you fukkup the relays before fuses, you got wrong ones.

also remember thats EACH light amperage. so figure about 20A fuse or 2x10A fuse depending on how your harness will be setup

[LA_phantom_240]

yup.. exactly. EACH bulb will pull 8.5 amps, which means to wire them both up it would be about 17 amps.

[redline racer510]

well what if you buy the projector halogens off egay and use an hid kit will that still cause glare???