View Full Version : Accord vs 240sx Wheel Question
shaggy240sx
06-19-2006, 07:32 AM
I know a guy looking to sell some 17x7 Konig Drivers for a good price but he has no idea what the offset is. In theory they fit flush on a 94 Accord...so how would that work/look on an s13 240sx? My car can't be driven to where the wheels are, so I would have to buy them before I ever see how they fit. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
TheTimanator
06-19-2006, 07:51 AM
the offset is probably reqally high +40 ish menaing they will be sunken in. Most people who run 7" wide wheels here have offsets from zero to the mid teens. I've had a 7" +17 and now have a 7" +11. If I were you I'd save up and get some wheels that fit correctly. Seach the forums for Sentra spec V wheels. I'ves seen a few pics of them here and the sizing will be really close to the accord wheels.
shaggy240sx
06-19-2006, 07:55 AM
Thanks. BTW...I am new to aftermarket wheels...what does a higher offset do? Make the wheel stick further out of the wheel well? Thanks again.
shaggy240sx
06-19-2006, 08:12 AM
Just found out my logic was backward on the offset.
Kn1ves
06-19-2006, 09:41 AM
i got wheels from someone with an accord
http://illusivedesigns.net/kn1ves/v1/albums/carwash/images/100_0444.jpg
it was flush with his accord 01 coupe i believe
rims are 16x7 +33 16x8 +33 in the back, he gave me 3mm? spacers that i put in the back
OptionZero
06-19-2006, 10:37 AM
i'm gona say this the nicest way possible:
dont spend any money until you know what you're doing (in other words...not now)
shaggy240sx
06-19-2006, 11:16 AM
OptionZero...I am actually surprised something like that was not the first response.
FWIW...I have spent the past 2+ years fixing the fcuk ups from the company that did the SR swap in my car (and then proceeded to go under shortly there after). 2+ years of fixing things here and there as I had time and money and now that it runs properly finally I am ready to get some real wheels and tires to better handle the power of an SR pushing 12-14psi...depending on my mood. I do not have the time or patience to learn the ins and outs of wheels so I figured I would ask here because there are bound to be some "Wheel experts" that could save me some time and money by telling me what they already know.
I am sorry that you think that every bit of information has to be earned and never given (I have read a couple of your posts in the past), but what is the point of knowing something better then everyone else if you aren't willing to share the knowledge?
I am also a donating member of Zilvia if that matters. Although I am sure it doesn't.
FaLKoN240
06-19-2006, 11:42 AM
Don't ask questions, then be upset with the responses you get. ESPECIALLY on Zilvia.
There's a sticky or something on wheel sizings, I believe it tells you the width, and the offset you will want to run with, with that width of wheel. The offset specs go from aggressive to conservative.
On a 7" wide wheel I would go no higher than a +15.
But then again I won't be running a 7" wide wheel ever again.
With an SR, you're going to be spinning your wheels ALOT with tire sizes that really should go no larger than a 215 on a 7" wide wheel.
I would suggest an 8" or 9" wide wheel. In those sizes you can run rather large tires depending on offset.
What is more important to YOU? Flushness or tire size, that will help the people on the board advise you on what's best.
shaggy240sx
06-19-2006, 12:25 PM
Don't worry...I will never get upset from the responses on this Forum. I am on another forum where I am the dedicated whipping boy. Like I said...I completely expected someone to say that.
Neither Flush nor Width are overly important...but I am still on stock wheels, so anything is going to be better. I am not one for track events, or street racing (anymore), so being able to go wider than 215 is not a big deal...but this 205/60/15 H rated stuff just isn't going to cut it.
I might get a nice set of 205/55/15 ASX's, or if I happen to find a decient set of 16's or 17's cheap...I might go that route.
I really just wanted to know if 17x7's off an Accord would a) Rub (with or without coilovers), or b) look completely retarded. Anything else is just gravey. :)
OptionZero
06-19-2006, 12:27 PM
Wheel questions are probably the most common questions after "how do i get an SR swap" or "how do you do the s15 front end"
The answers are out there, you can find them easily. Hell, even a google search with "wheel offset" would have told you what you needed to know
moreover, the fact you stuck a stupid SR in your car before preparing your car's suspension to handle it goes a long way to telling everyone just how smart you are
i'm glad you donate, because you're wasting zilvian bandwidth with these kinda questions
shaggy240sx
06-19-2006, 12:47 PM
OptionZero...You crack me up man. You have seriously brightend my day. I really appreciate it.
So because I put the engine in before upgrading the wheels I must be a dumbass. The fact that on the rare occasion I drive my 240sx (maybe 500 miles in the past 2 years) it is just to get things looked at/upgraded, and drive like an old lady to boot is completely a moot point. The fact that there isn't a KA powered 240 that isn't faster then me when I drive my SR powered 240 doesn't matter apparently.
I am sorry that I did not do things in the order that you see as ideal, but I can assure you that regardless of which engine it has in it...I have never pushed it beyond where it could have gone with a stock 140hp sohc KA. Once I get tires, brakes and suspension squared away...it will be a different story. :)
I appologize for using an online forum to try to gather information on whether or not a set of wheels is worth while. I will also refrain from asking anyone here what brakes they suggest, or which suspension they prefer because that would just mean I am an idiot (although I am guessing I could find that info by just searching...whereas finding an answer to "how does a fwd offset look on a 240?" is not as straight forward). :goyou:
MODS...I am sorry for wasting bandwidth (from what I have heard text uses very little bandwidth...but still) but I felt it was a valid question. Option Zero disagrees. Do with this thread as you see fit. No hard feelings (as if that was a concern). :D
VROOOM
06-19-2006, 01:30 PM
moreover, the fact you stuck a stupid SR in your car before preparing your car's suspension to handle it goes a long way to telling everyone just how smart you are
i'm glad you donate, because you're wasting zilvian bandwidth with these kinda questions
remember the SR20DET motor comes in silvia's and 180sx's in japan w/ stock suspension. its not like he is putting some 400 hp motor in his car.
OptionZero
06-19-2006, 02:04 PM
i've been over this before
he spent money putting that in the car- money a more judicious "tuner" would have put into building the platform for the power before building the power
furthermore the suspension may have been great for the SR...when it was new. it is no longer that
putting an SR in to a 240sx is a "mod", and IMO the decision to do that "mod" before others is stupid, especially when one doesn't even understand wheel sizing yet..or more to the point, is incapable of finding that information in the most basic of tools (GOOGLE, SEARCH FUNCTION)
an Accord is not a 240sx, nor is it even a sports car. Failure to understand even that difference demonstrates a severe lack of car knowledge in general. Konig wheels in general are pretty cheap and sucky- why would you put several thousand dollars into the engine bay and then cheap out on the only part of your car that actually touches the ground?
the priorities here are completely out of order and it is my opinion the poster is either a child or some fool with more ambition than sense
hell, i don't even think the accord uses the same bolt pattern as the 240 so if he's planning to take them off an accord and use them...
shaggy240sx
06-19-2006, 02:32 PM
I know that the Accord is not a sports car, but why should that matter? Its not like I am putting stock Accord wheels on it. Top of the line or not...Konig wheels are better then stock, correct? Plus, the wheels don't touch the ground last time I checked. Just the tires, and I do plan on getting some decent tires. Also, I already confirmed that the Wheels are both 4x100, and 4x114.3.
As far as doing the Engine first. The plan was to do it all at once, but the shop started on the engine and it took so long I no longer trusted them to do the rest and it was a good thing too. Less then a month later they went under. Then...like I said earlier...I had to spend my remaining Mod Money on fixing the stuff that they f'ed up. I figured if it didn't run, then the suspension and such was a moot point. Now that I finally have it running I am picking up where I originally left off...on Tires, Suspension and Brakes.
I do know how to search, but the guy has no idea what the offset of the wheels are. Was I supposed to first search on what offset works for the Accord. Then do another search to find out how that offset looks on the 240sx? What are the odds that I could find an exact answer that states "the Accord fits flush with a 7" wide rim and a 35 offset". And then find a picture or writeup on how a 7" wide rim with a 35 offset looks on the 240sx? (offset # is made up...I still have no idea what the offset really is).
What is the harm in simply asking here? Odds are someone has done a similar trade before (see post above about using Accord rims and accompaning picture) so they would have the best insight.
Also, what is the harm of building the power before the platform if you DO NOT USE THE POWER before the platform is made to handel it. It might be that you, or others would not be able to stay off the throttle if you had the power, but I can. If I need a speed fix I take my Motorcycle out. No need to mess up the car before it is done.
BTW...I am not a child by definition (24yr old with $50k/year job and $200k house) although I do like to act childish on occasion (mainly on the internet)
PS...I admit to not being a "judicious tuner". Why else would I be here asking for input from people who know better then me? A wise man surrounds himself with people smarter than he is...or something like that.
OptionZero
06-19-2006, 02:57 PM
pretty stupid society to be paying someone that much money when they're not capable of finding some simple information
it matters because an accord is a FWD family car and doesn't put as much rubber onto the road as a RWD sports car
and no, they are not better than stock wheels because you already HAVE stock wheels, while these cost ADDITIONAL money
if you're going to buy wheels, buy some wheels that will work...or since you're so rich, pay someone to decide for you since you seem unwilling or incapable of doing any searching on your own
contact a vendor, throw some money at them, and have them decide for you.
thats probably what you did to get your wonderful house
i recommend A spec. He probably deserves your money more than you do
exitspeed
06-19-2006, 03:05 PM
Ok here's is all you have to do to learn about wheels.
READ THIS THREAD
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=44300&highlight=wheel+thread
Seriously look through every page when you have time. It;s worth it.
Arsenal of Glory
06-19-2006, 03:07 PM
dont repeat twice with what happened at the shop who did your SR Swap. Those wheels are too small with too high of an offset IMO. Save up more money, research more into wheel fitment, save your time.
shaggy240sx
06-19-2006, 03:24 PM
Exitspeed...Thanks, much appreciated (although reading is not my favorite past time...so it might take me a couple of days to make it through that).
OptionZero...I am very good at what I do (Technical Support) and they pay me accordingly. I am not good at car stuff in general so I rely on the wisdom of others to help guide me. I am far from anything resembling knowledgable when it comes to modifying cars, but I am more than happy to take in multiple opinions on something and then make a decision based on that information. That is all I am trying to do here.
Also, I started this all before I bought the house and still had plenty of spending money. Now that I have the house spending money is not as plentiful so all mods need to be inexpensive and properly justified before hand (hence why I am considering "cheaper"...used rims)...which is why my 240 has not left my garage for over 6 months.
I guess we can agree to disagree on this one. Just know that I am not as naive (sp?) with my money and my mods as you might like to think.
shaggy240sx
06-19-2006, 03:27 PM
dont repeat twice with what happened at the shop who did your SR Swap. Those wheels are too small with too high of an offset IMO. Save up more money, research more into wheel fitment, save your time.
Thank you. That is the kind of info I was looking for. I appreciate you answering without questioning my over all intellegence level (or maybe you did, and I was just too dense to see it. Either way :D).
Neither Flush nor Width are overly important...but I am still on stock wheels, so anything is going to be better.
Better how? In looks? Performance? I dont understand? If you're going for looks then flush should be important, and since you have a turbo engine width should be important.
I am not one for track events, or street racing (anymore), so being able to go wider than 215 is not a big deal...but this 205/60/15 H rated stuff just isn't going to cut it.
So I guess this means you dont care for a stronger or lightweight wheel, which would be better as far as performance.
I might get a nice set of 205/55/15 ASX's, or if I happen to find a decient set of 16's or 17's cheap...I might go that route.
You should get somethng wider than 7". Atleast 8". Putting the power better to the ground with a wider wheel/tire should be a priority since you are boosting. A 245 wide tire would be good.
I really just wanted to know if 17x7's off an Accord would a) Rub (with or without coilovers), or b) look completely retarded.
A. I doubt it would rub.
B. Depends who you are. To me it would look very bad.
<3MyRiceRocKet
06-20-2006, 12:56 AM
listen to timanator and get bigger wheels...17x8/9/10in. offset anywhere from +5 through +25. BAM, done. Looks and meat. Your going to hate +40 offsets soon enough.
OptionZero
06-20-2006, 01:02 AM
whats with people putting SR's in cars that they ARE NOT USING for drifting or track events?
so it'll be just for putting around town, or worse, street racing?
hopefully you go to a touge and kill yourself and there are salvageable parts for others
there are NA/KA's that could run circles around your shit
shaggy240sx
06-20-2006, 07:11 AM
whats with people putting SR's in cars that they ARE NOT USING for drifting or track events? No worse the buying a Jeep or other 4x4 and using it as a DD, or Mall Crawler...and I have seen more of those than I can count. Plus, once I get everything done with the car...I do plan to do the occasional Drift event and Solo competition. Just not until everything is done.
so it'll be just for putting around town, or worse, street racing?
Will be a DD, and weekend cruiser. Never more than 5-10 over the limit...which is pretty much standard out here.
hopefully you go to a touge and kill yourself and there are salvageable parts for others
If I ever go to a touge I will not exceed the limit by more than 5-10...and since I can easily control my Xterra at 5-10 over I am sure the 240sx should be cake.
there are NA/KA's that could run circles around your shit
Did you miss the post where I said there isn't a single KA that couldn't run circles around me?
You are a very bitter young man. Did your parents not hug you enough as a child or something? Seriously man...not all "n00bs" are as dumb as you like to make them sound. Get off your high horse every once and a while. It might do you some good.
To everyone else...thank you for the info. I will look for a wider wheel with a lower offset. The useful information is greatly appreciated.
OptionZero
06-20-2006, 09:17 AM
Buying a Jeep is pretty bad, period. Equating yourself with that is pathetic.
So you're going to the touge to watch your speedo to maintain a certain speed? Just go SHOOT YOURSELF
you ARE as dumb as you sound, the worst part is you don't even know it
aznpoopy
06-20-2006, 09:29 AM
cmon guys
he got his info
no need to keep fighting
shaggy240sx
06-20-2006, 09:57 AM
Buying a Jeep is pretty bad, period. Equating yourself with that is pathetic.
So you're going to the touge to watch your speedo to maintain a certain speed? Just go SHOOT YOURSELF
you ARE as dumb as you sound, the worst part is you don't even know it
Hehehe...good times. I would love to meet you in person. I bet we would get along great in the real world. :)
OptionZero
06-20-2006, 10:00 AM
Yeah, he got his info and insists on coming back to make a fool of himself!
You know what, today I'm going to wake up and go SEVENTY MILES AN HOUR ON A PUBLIC ROAD!!! Damn good thing i'm pushing ONE BAR!!!
shaggy240sx
06-20-2006, 10:05 AM
So you are giving me crap because I can control myself?
"Hey...Look at the n00b. He knows how to control himself and not speed excessively eventhough he has enough power to. What a dumbass."
Something like that? Just want to make sure I am understanding correctly. :)
OptionZero
06-20-2006, 10:30 AM
How are you controlling yourself? YOU'RE STILL BREAKING THE SPEED LIMIT!
I only kill people a little bit. My girlfriend is sorta pregnant. Fuck man.
Moreover, you spend all that money on your car, and your aspirations are to...go 70MPH. Horray. Smart. There are soccer moms in Suburbans that can do the same thing, and you've put just as little thought as they have into their vehicles.
I hope you don't have kids, because the world is already overpopulated and they'd just take up my oxygen.
shaggy240sx
06-20-2006, 10:35 AM
So you drive exactly the speed limit or lower all the time? If you do...good for you, but in Colorado that would get you run off the road.
Like I said eariler...I might do track days/drift days...or I might not. All depends on when/if I get it setup properly. For the time being...it gets better gas mileage then my Xterra...so it can be a DD and just go with the flow of traffic.
I hope I don't have kids too. Finally...something we can agree on. :D
OptionZero
06-20-2006, 11:06 AM
No, but I don't go around claiming that I have some sort of great self-control, nor do I feel the need to spend several thousand dollars on an engine just to put around town. Your statements simply show how deluded you are- wow, I can tell people I HAVE AN SR! and I can use it to...go the same speed as everyone else on the street! hot damn! oh maybe i should get some crappy wheels cuz so I can modify my car more in ways I know nothing about.
I live in California- you're telling me about getting run off the road?
Hurry go and go to a track event with your accord wheels and Xterra driving skills, make sure someone is there to get the video of you dying. I need a new avatar.
shaggy240sx
06-20-2006, 12:05 PM
You are a very interesting person. I think I could go back and forth like this with you for months and not get bored of it...although I would imagine this thread would end up getting locked at some point.
BTW...haven't heard "hot damn" in a long time. Made me LOL. Good times.
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