Just got Hood Popped, WARNING!!

[downshift_sideways]

Damn guys I was exiting Longs Drugs in Lafayette, and while I was getting to the stop light, I noticed a police officer across the intersection. The light turned Green, so i took a right turn. I noticed the 5-0 trying to get across to get behind me. As i got to the next light, it turned RED. So I stopped. The 5-0 Then got right on my ass. I could hella tell he was running the Plates. The light then turned Green, and i turned, But since i had no gas I figured a quick getaway to the gas station that was like 20 ft. away would get me out of the heat. I signaled over and pulled into the gas station. Then all of a sudden i got Sirened and flashed.

I proceeded to get out of my car, as if i didnt even notice the cop, and was walking into the gas station to get gas. The cops then started searching the vehicle as I was inside the gas station. ( my girlfriend was in my car paranoid ) As i came out, the cops asked me for licence, registration, and proof of insurance. I gave him everything he asked for.:bite:

He then told me " You know why i pulled you over right??" I acted like a clutz and said " I have no idea", He then mentioned that I had an "After Market Exhaust", I gave him the run around, saying I didnt know and blah blah blah.
He told me " This gives me probable cause to search your vehicle" So he proceeded to search the vehicle, And asked me to step away from my vehicle. I KNEW DAMN WELL, he was going to pop the hood. 2 Other 5-0 Cops came and pulled over next to me, and started observing my underhood goodies :(

They came back and told me that I have an Aftermarket "intake" "exhaust" and "Gutted Interior".
I knew damn well that the gutted interior was bull. my car is considered a "2 seater vehicle" to DMV.

Him and other cops came by and told me that this ticket would be up to 2,000$ and i would have to go to the DMV or STATE referee to have them sign it off, or get fined for the "aftermarket" parts.

NOW LUCKILY!!!!!! THIS IS WHERE JIFFY LUBE ( my work ) CAME TO THE RESCUE!! . (One of the other Officer that came to the scene, is a Jiffy Lube Customer. He comes in all the time for services on all his vehicles.) This officer said " I'll do the follow up on the car". The other 2 officers got back in thier vehicles and left. Officer Smith, said he would let me go, but i have to change back to oem parts in order to be "safe".

He told me that Contra costa and alameda county are on FULL LOOKOUT for nissan 240sx's, because they had a brief regaurding "drifting" and "reckless driving". SO ALL YOU OUT THERE! BE MAJOORRR CAREFUL AND KEEP AN EYE OUT, for 5-0. He told me they are doing a undercover operation, where cops dress and drive like a civilians, but pull over modified cars.

this just happened @ 10pm ish. Just thought I'd give you guys a heads up.:ughug:

MY GOD I WAS SCARED SHITLESS.:werd:

[TAMTANIUM]

Wow..I don't know what to say anymore. Cops are going way too far now. I feel like a criminal everytimes I drive my car on the street now. It's like they don't even want 240sx to be on the street for any reason.:(

[jdm538]

wow undercover, i pictured a white dude with a hawaiian shirt, khaki shorts, and flip flops. Dang so having a 240 will supect you of breaking the law? i hope everyone realizes having a 240sx is a privilege not a right :D .

[zads]

Is having an aftermarket exhaust illegal in CA? I thought as long as it doesn't break sound rules it's fine. What CVC says its illegal?

Watch out for the undercover popo.. they're hard to spot.
http://www.danger-seekers.com/2002/images/supertroopers1.jpg
http://www.liquorsnob.com/archives/pictures/Super-Troopers.jpg

[dvdevo]

Man thats pretty ignorant of them to just stereotype people like that. *sigh* We can't do anything about it though.

[TurDz]

Thanks for the heads up. I live in Alameda county and have a fully stock car. I'll be careful not to speed anywhere and stuff....

[Sil-Abc]

not only did those fuckin fucktards ruin nightdrift but now they have the cops all over our asses even more than before. I SAY WE FIND WHOEVER WAS DRIFTING IN FRONT OF ALTAMONT AND BEAT THEM. +123 for beat down

[FaLKoN240]

Haha, yeah right. If he pulled me over saying my exhaust gave him a probable cause, I would ask him, "Cause for what?" He'd be like "Street racing." Then I'd say, "Ummm I was getting groceries, was I speeding?"

This whole street racer profiling bullshit is out of control. Unless they catch us in the act they shouldn't be allowed to do anything to us. It's like pulling over black people because you believe they MAY be up to no good.

Profiling is bullshit.

[NemeGuero]

Fuck cops with nothing better to do.

[gorgasm]

thats fucking rediculous.
i saw this coming though.
time to make my sr look as stock as possible.

rsr exmag ftw.

[cotbu]

It's like pulling over black people because you believe they MAY be up to no good.
And if your black and drive a 240, whoa! A+++++++++ on the commendation scale.

[downshift_sideways]

I swear I saw it comming. I had to turn at the light because i had about 3 other cars behind me. And i knew damn well he noticed me. I seriously think my fog lights caught his attention right away. I turned nice and slow, keeping my car in low rpms. Kinda sucks because when i got pulled over the hole town of Lafayette basically saw me sitting on the curb. Giving me bad rep in the town.

nice pic ZADS, lol

[Slam]

dude, that f*cken sucks. I understand getting pulled over and all that, but making you sit on the curb is just bullshit. That use to happen to me in high school ages ago and I know how you feel. But you did no crime, and you weren't doing some awesome drift out of the Long's. Sitting on the curb BS is just humiliating and embarassing.
It happened to me twice and I think when I was young and the cops felt like they can do whatever to scare me, so they make you sit on the curb, say its gonna cost X amount of dollars if its not fixed, you can go to jail, etc...

The officer seems correct about the local law enforcement targeting "240's". Because when he initially saw you, he was facing you, there is no way he can tell you have an aftermarket exhaust, the reason he pulled you over?? All he can tell was that it was a 240 and possibly modded because of some fog lights.

That's why I am super cautious about what I do to my cars. Mod the car to look nice/clean/~simple but keep it sort of undercover.

[downshift_sideways]

Yes the reason why he pulled me over was because of my "aftermarket exhaust". I was driving in Low ass RPMS. I gaurentee it wasnt that LOUD AT ALL. I used to have a toggle switch for my fog lights, but i just wired them to my day runners. so they come on when headlights are up.

I forgot to mention, when Me and my GF were sitting on the curb, one of the officers turned on my car and rev'd up while another officer was using this soundwave device behind my exhaust.

I shouldn't have cut the resonator, when welded my exhaust.big no no :nono:

[speedstar01]

damn man, cops should be catching the thieves, murderers, and investigating real crimes. instead they chase kids around for petty little things like a loud exhuast (even if you were driving slow and careful)

well thats one more advantage of living on the east coast where most cops think im just driving a beater ford probe and dont have much clue as to what a 240sx is.... *giggles

[downshift_sideways]

Ford Probe Turbo ftw!

[Dorifto89]

In contra fucking costa now? Great. It really helps that my registration is up and I need to smog. Looks like my shits out of commission for summer until I can bring it up to Oregon for college. I'll register it there, come down to California and take a shit on a cops car while revving my engine with some NWA in the background for good measure.

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

I can't get my daily driver done fast enough! With the new police education, suddenly my car will be on the watch list.

In the part of town I live, street racing is not an issue. Not too many rockets around. So the cops are mostly busy with with the 80's American sedans painted crazy colors with 22" chrome wheels. Those are the cars getting all the heat thankfully.

[EchoOfSilence]

thats fucking rediculous.
i saw this coming though.
time to make my sr look as stock as possible.

rsr exmag ftw.
yeah, too bad it doesn't look stock at all.

With the altamont reports, FF3 coming out, i'm really not surprised. It's time to stockify those cars, guys.

[i20ar]

damn.. this sucks.. in the past 2 weeks ive been pulled over 4 TIMES... wtf... and all of them were bs for no reason... everytime the cop pulls me over.. doesnt say a word except can i see your DL and reg... then they ask where im heading and what im doing.. then they search my car.. find nothing then say ok have a good night... 4 times!!! wtf.. im tired of this shit...

[Frenzy13]

He then told me " You know why i pulled you over right??" I acted like a clutz and said " I have no idea", He then mentioned that I had an "After Market Exhaust", I gave him the run around, saying I didnt know and blah blah blah.
He told me " This gives me probable cause to search your vehicle" So he proceeded to search the vehicle, And asked me to step away from my vehicle. I KNEW DAMN WELL, he was going to pop the hood. 2 Other 5-0 Cops came and pulled over next to me, and started observing my underhood goodies :(



Okay anybody who get's pulled over by a cop and gets the "I'm going to search your car because of you moddified exaust," question do me a favor and ask him how a LEGAL modifcation gives him the right to do a constitutional violating search and seizure??? 99% of cops that pull the search thing with me tell me to get lost right after I ask that. I'm in napa and am down in Contra Costa County all the time. I have at least 10 cops on the force up in Napa and all of them have told me that cops who pull that trick are betting you don't know what you legally allowed to do and will try to push the envelope a little bit. Get a copy of 2006 California Vehicle Code book from the DMV ($8) It clearly says that modifcation of exhaust from cat back is legal so that it does not break 96 db's. Also it's illegal for a shop to sell exhaust in Cali that breaks that limit. Also there is no certified tester for street use, yet. Cops are not trained or certified to test db levels, so they can't use the excuse it sounded to loud. Call your local law enforcement and ask them how you would go about testing your car for db's. Guarentee you they say BAR ref!!

Summary... Cops don't have the training or equipment to deal with modded exhaust. Assuming that a LEGAL modifcation, means you have illegal mods means that they are violating your rights to due process. Also it breaks you constitutional right to being innocent until proven guilty! Does a cig lighter mean that I have drugs?? Not as far as search and seizure is concerned. Last thing if you want to let him seach your car, he can only search the car under the hood and that's that. Any sort of modifcations that could be done won't be in the car. only under the hood.

Hope this helps everyone out a bit.

[Frenzy13]

Check this website out... It varifies a lot of what I said

http://www.enjoythedrive.com/content/?id=8135

He told me that Contra costa and alameda county are on FULL LOOKOUT for nissan 240sx's, because they had a brief regaurding "drifting" and "reckless driving". SO ALL YOU OUT THERE! BE MAJOORRR CAREFUL AND KEEP AN EYE OUT, for 5-0. He told me they are doing a undercover operation, where cops dress and drive like a civilians, but pull over modified cars.


If what he said is true someone should start a thread whenever someone gets pulled for something dumb you post it up. Once it reaches 10 start calling and reporting harassment. Its profiling, or harassment, which is illegal. Start it here and only have nor cal peeps post up. And last up. If a unmarked car with an uniformed driver throws his lights on and tells you to pull over, you don't have to stop until you feel safe, as well once you do, you can insist that a marked car with a uniformed officer is present.

Once again hope it all helps.

[i20ar]

so whithought sounding like an ass.. how should you tell the cop your aware of this? i have an exmag.. and last night.. after the cop pulled me over.. when he was wawlking bak to his car.. i noticed my exhaust and came back and told me it was modified... and to get it fixed..

[Ghettokracker71]

damn man, cops should be catching the thieves, murderers, and investigating real crimes. instead they chase kids around for petty little things like a loud exhuast (even if you were driving slow and careful)

well thats one more advantage of living on the east coast where most cops think im just driving a beater ford probe and dont have much clue as to what a 240sx is.... *giggles

haha nice. I have gotten pulled in my integra for modified exhaust. The cop read from the book "a nonstock modified exhaust system emmiting a loud or unusual and unnecesary noise" . He also said he was on the look out for "street racers" with "modified cars" and commented on how I fit the bill. He pointed out my "nonvtec.com" forum decals and aftermarket rims and remarked "they are surefire give-a-ways of a street racer" :hammer:


Luckily he didn't give me a ticket,but I swear he took up about 45 minutes of my time so I was extremely late...I wasn't about to tell him I was in a hurry,that would have made things worse. Cops are getting worse everywhere. I also just got a ticket for 61 in a 45,I passed the cop going in the opposite direction in a 55mph zone 4 blocks from where he claimed he clocked me(wich was a 711 at an intersection wich is 45,but like I said,I passed by him 4 blocks away,b/c I saw him turn around in my rear veiw to pull me,and he was tailgating somebody when he passed me.)

[Flybert]

I don't understand how you guys even drive your cars daily with exhaust systems here in cali. Just put the stocker back on and keep the exhaust around for track days. If you aren't doing track days, just get rid of the exhaust, put your front license plate on, and don't slam your cars too low. They have no excuse to pull you over and you should be good to go. If they do pull you over, well you can get a lawyer and get out of it. You have to pay to play.

It is for this reason that I don't drive my 240 daily. It's only for track duty. The only time a cop will catch me is at 5-7AM driving to the track or 5-7PM driving home from the track on a weekend. Freeways only with a LOUD fucking exhaust. So far so good. I'm even making a stock rear section to put on before and after I leave the track and put the loud one on when I get there. If they pop me, I'll admit my wrong doing.

You guys choose to drive cars you'll get harassed in. And whoever says profiling is retarded, are you serious? Profiling is an excellent way to find people doing illegal shit. For example, the original poster. Modified exhaust = pulled him over, popped his hood, and found an intake. Not sure if it was an illegal intake but by the sounds of the original poster, it was. Cops are 1 for 1 in this thread. Profiling is based on statistical evidence. It gives cops a higher propability for finding people breaking the law so don't come off saying that profiling is retarded. Profiling is used to find child molesters, murderers, drug dealers, gang members, street racers, etc and it works.

You guys act like your loud exhausts and illegal motors are legal and that the man is harassing you. You are breaking the law. PERIOD. If you weren't, then you wouldn't have anything to worry about and these threads wouldnt' exist. It's funny how you never hear stories about hoods getting popped and cops finding nothing. That's because people don't get that upset by it because they didn't get busted for anything and they really don't feel like venting.

Don't complain when you drive loud, slammed cars, with no front license plates. You were asking for it by putting yourself in the street racer/illegal car modifier profile.

I guess that's all I have to say about this.

[Ghettokracker71]

Actually my exhaust is 50 state legal according to both the manufactor and a couple of state troopers(friends) I later discussed with. I geuss I should point out the fact that I don't live in california,and my intake,header,high flow cat,suspension,removed rear interior,exhaust,motor,rims,decals....etc...are all 100% legal in the county my vehicle is registered in. I got hassled for driving a legal car.

I do tend to agree with you flybert about what I call the "victem mentality" I hear it in rap music all the time. Guy says in one line about how much coke he is selling,then the next line he remarks about how cops are profiling and hassling him wrongly. Well he was breaking the law,therefore the cop was doing his job.

In my case,I broke no law,yet I got hassled. If I broke a law or two,I can't be mad...I have 3 traffic tickets. 2 of wich are bullshit,1 of wich is honest.

[2iv0 sx]

man and they got in your car and rev'd it? id he heated!

[93 240sxfastback]

Me and some of my friends were hanging out in a parking lot late at night when 2 cop cars pulled up. They started looking into our cars with their flashlights and I was thinking... "Ohhhh shit heres the ref ticket."

Then the cop says we have nice cars and that he watched initial d the week before! Basically he told us we have to leave because we're on private property on which kids come to drink and sometimes they find stolen cars ditched there. Anyways he said we looked like we were just hanging out and "enjoying our cars." Then they got into their crown vics and peeled out and drifted up the next corner with their flashing lights on... It was hilarious.

[YUNG DRIF]

let me tell u some thing anthony u were in a rich, quite and peaceful area.sooo they have nothing to do but pull over ricers . in richmond i smash 24 7 in front of cops they really dont care it really depends on the area to tell u the truth.

[YUNG DRIF]

I can't get my daily driver done fast enough! With the new police education, suddenly my car will be on the watch list.

In the part of town I live, street racing is not an issue. Not too many rockets around. So the cops are mostly busy with with the 80's American sedans painted crazy colors with 22" chrome wheels. Those are the cars getting all the heat thankfully.
hahahahahah aye another brotha from the streets were u stay east Oakland

[Frenzy13]

so whithought sounding like an ass.. how should you tell the cop your aware of this? i have an exmag.. and last night.. after the cop pulled me over.. when he was wawlking bak to his car.. i noticed my exhaust and came back and told me it was modified... and to get it fixed..

Look at my first post, get a VEHICLE CODE BOOK. Keep it in your car. The law is clear that you are allowed to modify your exhaust up to 95db. That's the law. Check out the link I provided as well. It's got clips from the CHP database as to how the state office recommends it officers to handle exhaust violations. I wouldn't worry about getting into a grudge match if he is just telling you to get it fixed, cause it's not illegal. It's when he's trying to violate you that say something. That's when having the code book, dog ear the pages or something, and be able to quote the law regarding modified exhaust. I've also just read through the book because you find alot of interesting crap in there. My friends who are cops tell me that if you get pulled for it to explain that it's legal and that you believe it's a violation of you constitutional right to privacy and that if he continues to insist by threatening means to allow the search under duress only. I've been pulled at least 10 times for exhaust, about 1/2 of those have told me to step out so they could conduct a search. No cop has looked under the hood yet, they say search, I say constitutional violation, and they say have a good night. That's that in a nut shell.

You guys act like your loud exhausts and illegal motors are legal and that the man is harassing you. You are breaking the law. PERIOD. If you weren't, then you wouldn't have anything to worry about and these threads wouldnt' exist. It's funny how you never hear stories about hoods getting popped and cops finding nothing. That's because people don't get that upset by it because they didn't get busted for anything and they really don't feel like venting.

Don't complain when you drive loud, slammed cars, with no front license plates. You were asking for it by putting yourself in the street racer/illegal car modifier profile.

I guess that's all I have to say about this.

As for this well you just heard one, from me. I have spent all the money to make sure that every part I've put on is carb legal or allowed by law. i would have no problem popping my hood for the cop if he had a reason to. There are rights that citizens of the USA are born with, and those can't be taken away. Can a cop harass you because you have a lighter in your hand?? No, but you could possible be a pyromaniac or better yet it could be your crack torch. But since exhaust modification is legal, it does NOT provide reasonable grounds for a search.

haha nice. I have gotten pulled in my integra for modified exhaust. The cop read from the book "a nonstock modified exhaust system emmiting a loud or unusual and unnecesary noise" . He also said he was on the look out for "street racers" with "modified cars" and commented on how I fit the bill. He pointed out my "nonvtec.com" forum decals and aftermarket rims and remarked "they are surefire give-a-ways of a street racer" :hammer:

He read you only a portion of the law, the section on modified exhaust is actually like 6 or 7 sections long. The last part of the section says something about having to be in compliance with section blah blah blah. The Blah section state the 95db level. Part one clearly states that it legal to modifiy your exhaust from the cat back, end of story!!!!! As for the "street racer" part, i'd have looked at his name and then reported that one. He admitted to targeting you out, while profiling is used and for some good reasons, its not a legal reason to pull you over. His admittance to it also means that admitted to harasment. How would the story have ended if the cop had said he was on the look out for a black man?? Think about it!!



Last bit here, when a cop rights you a fix it ticket, the number that he rights in the left side is the section from the vehicle code book. If you have the code book you can look it up and see exactly what the law is. There are loopholes in nearly all the laws. You just have to find them. The cops know them and will try to use them against you.

PS I don't hate cops, and i don't want everyone to think that I do, but what I hate is how some like to try and push the envelope a lot. 50 cops are the bane of tuners existence, but at the same point, 50 tuners who are informed about the law can be the bane of 100 cops.

[Ghettokracker71]

Wow very good points once again. I hate to admit that sometimes profiling can help the police out...but I geuss just like anything else,there is always a bunch of assholes,and a bunch of nice guys,and anything in between.

I geuss I just get really mad sometimes...I mean for instance,my cars may be "loud" but I am not any louder than perfectly legal trash trucks and motorcycles and shit? Oh well.

[Frenzy13]

Wow very good points once again. I hate to admit that sometimes profiling can help the police out...but I geuss just like anything else,there is always a bunch of assholes,and a bunch of nice guys,and anything in between.

I geuss I just get really mad sometimes...I mean for instance,my cars may be "loud" but I am not any louder than perfectly legal trash trucks and motorcycles and shit? Oh well.

A point that I haven't made that you kinda touch. Exhaust db's aren't measured with the pedal to the floor. It's measured at 1/2 of your redline. When I got my ticket for loud exhaust, the ref fired up my car, tested it at 3500(1/2 redline), 3000 (500 below) and 4000(500 above). Then the 3 results were averaged together. Outcome 82db's. However at full open throttle I'm closer to 100db's, but that's not how exhaust is measured. That's why the expensive exhaust is expensive, it's quiet under light loads but loud as hell at full open.

Usually a cop won't admit to profiling cause he can get nailed for harasment. So act accordingly. And just cause I can, I'm going to go to the CHP office on monday and ask the captain what allows cops to search.
PS I have GP Sports Spec R 3" catback. Just about straight pipe.

[Frenzy13]

I geuss I just get really mad sometimes...I mean for instance,my cars may be "loud" but I am not any louder than perfectly legal trash trucks and motorcycles and shit? Oh well.


Okay so what i've been posting up has been from work, till right now. I just got home and opened up my Code Book, just to see if there was actually anything that I forgot to put up. While I was searching through it I came across something and your quote now has me rolling. This is quoted from the California Vehicle Code Book

27202. For the purposes of Section 27200 the noise limits shall apply to any motorcyle manufactured:
1) After 1969, and before 1973 88dbA
2) After 1972, and before 1975 86dbA
1) After 1974, and before 1986 83dbA
1) After 1985 80dbA

Any Bike manufacture before 1970 has a level of 92 dbA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This means that bikes are supposed to be QUIETER than a car!!!!!!!!!! This is a freaking JOKE.

[downshift_sideways]

let me tell u some thing anthony u were in a rich, quite and peaceful area.sooo they have nothing to do but pull over ricers . in richmond i smash 24 7 in front of cops they really dont care it really depends on the area to tell u the truth.

That is still bullshit though. There are so manyyy s2k's and porsha's here smashing down the street every damn day. I did nothing wrong but pull over to the gas station. I was Profiled by the car I drove, My uncle is a Lawyer for alemeda county. If anything would to happen I have a legal person on my side. But still this is getting too fucking crazy.

I was sooo fucking heated when they turned on my car and rev'd up. I felt violated x100000. My girlfriend was scared shitless at the time, so i didnt want to cause any controversay. I know my rights as a civilian.

When the cops had thier flashlights on my engine bay. one cop said "Look for any wires going through the firewall", and another cop asked me, " You dont have nitrous in the car right??", and they all laughed. The officers badge is 2931, he drive in car #308 in Lafayette. I have already told my uncle about the situation.

Officer Smith on the other hand is a fucking cool cop, one of the nicesst cops i have ever came across.. If he was on zilvia, I would give him +100000 rep.

[downshift_sideways]

A point that I haven't made that you kinda touch. Exhaust db's aren't measured with the pedal to the floor. It's measured at 1/2 of your redline. When I got my ticket for loud exhaust, the ref fired up my car, tested it at 3500(1/2 redline), 3000 (500 below) and 4000(500 above). Then the 3 results were averaged together. Outcome 82db's. However at full open throttle I'm closer to 100db's, but that's not how exhaust is measured. That's why the expensive exhaust is expensive, it's quiet under light loads but loud as hell at full open.

Usually a cop won't admit to profiling cause he can get nailed for harasment. So act accordingly. And just cause I can, I'm going to go to the CHP office on monday and ask the captain what allows cops to search.
PS I have GP Sports Spec R 3" catback. Just about straight pipe.
That is exactly what happened to me, I belive they only tested my exhaust 1 time, while another cop was reading it with a sound meter. The thing is, i have a custom exhaust. 2 1/4 from the cat, opens up to 2 1/2 inch, Resonator delete, opens to a Greddy RS barrel, and out a 9inch exhaust tip.
Nothing too fancy, but its still my bad for making it custom like that.

[Frenzy13]

That is exactly what happened to me, I belive they only tested my exhaust 1 time, while another cop was reading it with a sound meter. The thing is, i have a custom exhaust. 2 1/4 from the cat, opens up to 2 1/2 inch, Resonator delete, opens to a Greddy RS barrel, and out a 9inch exhaust tip.
Nothing too fancy, but its still my bad for making it custom like that.

Are you sure that they had an exhaust dbA tester? On the website i provided it says that CHP doesn't doesn't train their officers on how to measure dbA's. it also says that they don't supply the equipment because of the knowledge nescessary to use it. I know you didn't get popped by CHP but if CHP doesn't issue them to their officers I doubt any other organization does. What I've seen happen is cops will use car audio dbA testers, which the reading won't be accurate. The dbA frequency changes from item to item, what thunder sounds like at 96 dbA will much different then a car. Call the local DA's office and ask them if the local authorities are certified to use the equipment. If not file a complaint. It's unlikely that any law enforcement agency would spend the money and time to train everyone to use a piece of equipment, if the largest law enforcement agency in the state doesn't and recommends referal to a state ref. Out of curiosity, what did they say your car was at?? Or did they?

[Ricks15]

Ok I havn't heard a straight answer but can the cops give you trouble if you have a completly stripped interior?

[FaLKoN240]

How the hell is your muffler tip 9"?! Isn't that like. . .HUGE?

[k0uki]

damn ive gotten my hood popped twice on quimby and capitol and one time was for going 30 in a 45

[AllenRPS13]

damn man... i always travel between bay area and davis... i guess i have to put my silcener back on my exhaust...

[Irukandji]

I was sooo fucking heated when they turned on my car and rev'd up. I felt violated x100000. My girlfriend was scared shitless at the time, so i didnt want to cause any controversay. I know my rights as a civilian.
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I believe that they test the db's at 3000 rpm. In that case you should be fine cause that greddy muffler is supposed to be one of the "stealth" ones.



Time to spray paint exhausts black!

[Frenzy13]

Ok I havn't heard a straight answer but can the cops give you trouble if you have a completly stripped interior?

In reading the vehicle code book it doen't say anything about having to have a full interior. So long as you have the equipment that is required (ie sunvisors, rearview mirror, and safety harness) they don't really have a reason. Though the stripped interior would put you into a "street racer" profile they will try.


I've been reading my own posts and realize I left something out. DON'T just say no to a search. A "No" answer will give probable cause, because you are trying to hide something. If the cop asks to search, without giving his reason, ask him for it. You then have to use your own knowledge of the law to determine whether or not it is probable cause. If you have a front mount, it probable, if you have a blowoff valve, it's probable. That's why i said to get a vehicle code book. It tells you what you can and can't do to your car. And don't be a dick to the cop, just be as friendly as possible while trying to explain yourself. If you are being a dick to him, he will be a bigger dick back to you, and that will just be trouble.

[Frenzy13]

damn ive gotten my hood popped twice on quimby and capitol and one time was for going 30 in a 45

So you were going under the speed limit?? LOL anyways, my coworker is in the academy and he just said a traffic violation does not constitute probable cause, unless it's a felony count of something.

[Irukandji]

damn ive gotten my hood popped twice on quimby and capitol and one time was for going 30 in a 45


I think there's a law where you can't go 20mph slower than the speed limit.

[OMGWTFBBQ]

How the hell is your muffler tip 9"?! Isn't that like. . .HUGE?

yea wth
do you mean 9'' in circumferance haha

I'm pretty sure they changed the law, so an exhaust ticket is up to the officers judgement in terms of volume, that they dont need a tester. If its too loud according to their 'expert' judgement you can get written up.

[HKsilvia]

hey Frenzy13, where can i get the code book that you had mentioned?

[Frenzy13]

yea wth
do you mean 9'' in circumferance haha

I'm pretty sure they changed the law, so an exhaust ticket is up to the officers judgement in terms of volume, that they dont need a tester. If its too loud according to their 'expert' judgement you can get written up.

No they didnt' change the law. I have the vehicle code book. I cop can write a "fix it" ticket for exhaust if he "believes" that it is not in compliance. However, since they even the CHP office can't test it, then they cannot deam it to be illegal. They have to write a refferal to the BAR. Then you get it tested and the ticket is dismissed. Meaning you don't even have to pay the correction fee of ten bucks or whatever. Also since it's also illegal for a shop to sell exhaust in the state of cali if it doesn't apply to state limits, and illegal for a shop to tamper with/ modify any exhaust system to spec outside the legal limit, cops "should" assume that all exhausts are legal (Innocent until proven guilty???? WTF happened to this idea anyways???) but they don't.

Hypothetically speaking lets say you drive a 1971 Datsun 240Z. It didn't come with lights to illuminate your liscense plate at night. You get pulled over, cop says you need to replace bulbs. You explain that the car didn't come with them, because he can't verify that to be true, do you know what he can do?? REFEREE TIME!!!! And this is how it should also happen with exhaust cop says it's out of spec, you say it's legal according to manufactured spec, you get a free trip to the ref. But of course usually there's that little part in between where you're sitting on his car or something.

[Frenzy13]

hey Frenzy13, where can i get the code book that you had mentioned?

:duh: :duh:
HAHAHA I've been spouting out about getting but never said where??? LOL
You can get them at the DMV. I think I paid 12 bucks for 2 of them. One for me and one for my friend. Expect to wait a little bit while they find them. it took them 45 min in Napa cause nobody asks for them.

[downshift_sideways]

to sum up some things...

They had what appeared to be a Radar gun, they had it about a foot away from my exhaust. When they rev'd up the car, i noticed red numbers going up on the gun. I'm assuming its a DBA tester. The police never gave me the number it came up to because the other officer had pulled up to the scene.

This was in Lafayette, my town I just moved to. Been here about 9 Months, never any trouble with the law, If anything I made friends with the cops, and bart officials. The cop that pulled me over was a Total ass, k-9 unit guy.

To recap on the exhaust tip. Its 9'' From the bottom of the tip, to the top of the tip. It curves out out slanted. You have to see it to know.

Many of you Zilvians have seen it.

I'm thinking about selling the car...anyone possibly intrested?

I'll test the waters with ff3 tax, and see if i get any bites.

[carnal_c30]

wow 9" tip maybe they pulled you over cuz they thought you had a big coffee can stuck under your car jp jp :D

just becareful too when they give you a modified exhaust ticket they dont give you the one you have to go to the state ref and pay the state ref :(

but honestly harrassment will continue so consider putting on an exhaust more similar to stock in appearance and add a resonator... all it does is gives cops excuses to search and find more stuff

good luck


to sum up some things...

They had what appeared to be a Radar gun, they had it about a foot away from my exhaust. When they rev'd up the car, i noticed red numbers going up on the gun. I'm assuming its a DBA tester. The police never gave me the number it came up to because the other officer had pulled up to the scene.

This was in Lafayette, my town I just moved to. Been here about 9 Months, never any trouble with the law, If anything I made friends with the cops, and bart officials. The cop that pulled me over was a Total ass, k-9 unit guy.

To recap on the exhaust tip. Its 9'' From the bottom of the tip, to the top of the tip. It curves out out slanted. You have to see it to know.

Many of you Zilvians have seen it.

I'm thinking about selling the car...anyone possibly intrested?

I'll test the waters with ff3 tax, and see if i get any bites.

[RBS14]

you're seriously considering selling your car because you got your hood popped with a (for all intents and purposes) stock ka? wow.

[OMGWTFBBQ]

why dont you just hang on to the car
if the price of the car actually does go up, which it probably wont
you'd have to pay the same when looking for another one

[R34SKYLINE]

How the hell is your muffler tip 9"?! Isn't that like. . .HUGE?

WORD! Damn that is mutha fucken huge! like that shit is only 3 inches away from 1 foot, who's it made by Juan Valdez????? hahaha

[HKsilvia]

:duh: :duh:
HAHAHA I've been spouting out about getting but never said where??? LOL
You can get them at the DMV. I think I paid 12 bucks for 2 of them. One for me and one for my friend. Expect to wait a little bit while they find them. it took them 45 min in Napa cause nobody asks for them.

sry to bump again, but just wanna make sure, is that book called "Vehicle Code Book" or it has any other name? i dont wanna get into DMV and ask for a code book and they dun understand wha im talkin about and think im a stupid:ugh:

[drift-it]

cops think that we're all criminals and we all drift on the street blah blah blah we're good people go bust drug dealers or rapists or some shit and stop given all us a hard time good thing you knew that cop or else,

[Irukandji]

you're seriously considering selling your car because you got your hood popped with a (for all intents and purposes) stock ka? wow.


easy come easy go

[downshift_sideways]

I want an s14.

When did I ever say That I wanted to sell my car because of the Hood pop?
Never that, I'm testing waters right now. I'm eventually getting an s14.
Give me about 2-3 months.

I've been through a few s13's, time to exp. with s14's.

[Star*Ink.]

awww Sheet man :ugh: time to put on the stock air box, and i think i might need to buy a stock s15 bumper i have a snow plower certified Bomex peice of crap with no front license plate.

as a Example seen below...
http://www.jimmy540i.com/nightmare24.jpg

[derux]

Hypothetically speaking lets say you drive a 1971 Datsun 240Z. It didn't come with lights to illuminate your liscense plate at night. You get pulled over, cop says you need to replace bulbs. You explain that the car didn't come with them, because he can't verify that to be true, do you know what he can do?? REFEREE TIME!!!! And this is how it should also happen with exhaust cop says it's out of spec, you say it's legal according to manufactured spec, you get a free trip to the ref. But of course usually there's that little part in between where you're sitting on his car or something.


The only way is doesnt have a light is if it is out. A 1971 240z has a license light. now if you were to say old cars didnt have seat belts i would go along with that one.

[Frenzy13]

The only way is doesnt have a light is if it is out. A 1971 240z has a license light. now if you were to say old cars didnt have seat belts i would go along with that one.

I stated a hypothetical situation, not fact. I was only using it to say that if a cop cannot prove something, he can't use it for probable cause, because he doesn't know. And yes you are correct about the seatbelts.


The book is updated and changed every year to reflect current vehicle code. As it sits right now it should be titled 2006 Vehicle Code. That's it. It should say State of California on it as well. If you go down to the DMV and tell them that you would like to purchase the 2006 Vehicle code book, they will know what you are talking about, but maybe not where they keep them stored

[projekt_s13]

The reason 240's arent targeted in my town.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&n=2&videoid=701164364

This was all filmed 3 blocks from my house, the cars targeted here in oakland are buicks with crazy candy paint, 24' inch rims, Tv's everywhere, 6x9's in the grill, and 4 15's in the trunk.

[downshift_sideways]

Oakland ftw!

Yea, those are some benefits from moving there... but theft is at a high rate.
YOU KNOW! there was a jack and lugnut wrench by your wheels that day hehe..

[BayS13]

Oakland ftw!

Yea, those are some benefits from moving there... but theft is at a high rate.
YOU KNOW! there was a jack and lugnut wrench by your wheels that day hehe..


spend like 100 bucks and get a clutch lock, and a club and your ok.

plus everytime ive got my hood popped with the SR they say, bla bla bla its not legal, you have to go to the reff, ive just agreed, waited till the court date and just said it was fixed. paid like 100 dollars twice, big deal. kept the car and all.

same thing happend to eugene with his RB, he got sent to the reff, i just told him to wait it out, he went to court and got the same thing to happen to him. so i dunno man just wait it out, the judge doesnt give a damn, just say

OH IM A STUDENT, I HAVE A JOB I WORK HARD!!! yeaaa it works

[projekt_s13]

Oakland ftw!

Yea, those are some benefits from moving there... but theft is at a high rate.
YOU KNOW! there was a jack and lugnut wrench by your wheels that day hehe..

Lol yea, looked like someone tried to get my wheels but failed. Remember when i went in the house that dude tried to steal my backpack full of tools i left near my car. haha

[downshift_sideways]

Lol yea, looked like someone tried to get my wheels but failed. Remember when i went in the house that dude tried to steal my backpack full of tools i left near my car. haha
Haha I Remember that shit. He was cruising down on his bike, I noticed that he was looking at your backpack while i was sitting in my car. He tried to be sneaky and take it, then i jumped outta the car and grabbed it from him. haha.:bowrofl:

[silverarrow27]

I would have beaten that guy to pulp!!!

[downshift_sideways]

Haha, I grabbed James bag, and the guy got scared and took off.

Did i mention he was steering his bike with 1 hand? and in the other hand he had a safeway shopping cart. haha!

[ONYX S-13]

And if your black and drive a 240, whoa! A+++++++++ on the commendation scale.


SOMEONE PLEASE SAVE ME !!!!!!!


J/K.. I've never been pulled over in either 240's that I've owned or my old civic... BUt i work in anaheim and i get "looks" from cops sometimes.. Still have never been pulled over though.

[C2AUTOSPL]

and that is why my car is a BIG paper weight LOL..

[redsuns3838]

down here the cops come out like roaches towards the end of the month, always gotta drive EXTRA slow, coast thru interesctions at night so the dB is always low on my exhaust. plus i always keep silencer on from like the 25th to the 5th of every month.
exhaust tip is small so it doesnt stand out too much, but its loud as hell. what can i say i love kakimoto gt1.0z =P