Please help: S15 HID Wiring

[lagvoid21]

I found silviadriver's and yoshi's write-up but those are for non-hid's. Hopefully it's simple and just me being stupid but what plugs am I supposed to use?

Here is a picture of a non-hid headlight
http://www.courtesyparts.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/240sx/S15-HDLRH-back_big.jpg

and here is the hid headlight
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9238/img13179pp.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1702/img13186pz.jpg

I don't think I've seen that triangular plug before???

[SimpleS14]

Where are your ballast? Usually the ballast are connected to the bulbs in some sort of way.

If you have those I can suggest how to power up the ballast and get the HID bulbs to work.

[lagvoid21]

it's located on the bottom of the headlight

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7048/img13198gn.jpg

It doesn't seem to be connected to the bulb (I think the bulb is that triangular connection)?

[SimpleS14]

Is there a socket on that ballast where something is suppose to be plugged in?

If so.....that is what your missing to really do anything with your existing setup. You can't do any hacked up wiring since its not safe or really doable. It looks like you have to get another set of ballast that actually have the connector to the bulbs and do a retrofit. Example can be seen HERE (http://www.hidplanet.com/i/philips_ballasts_pair.jpg), notice the connectors with the base for the bulbs to sit into?

Now..if you actually have the wiring that goes to the ballast than that triangle socket, then wiring to power up the ballast is easy.

[lagvoid21]

In the picture of the ballast, the socket/wire with the green tape extends from the ballast. I can cut and splice that wire but what about that triangle connection?

thanks for the help

[SimpleS14]

In the picture of the ballast, the socket/wire with the green tape extends from the ballast. I can cut and splice that wire but what about that triangle connection?

thanks for the help

I'm assuming you have Xenon bulbs, since I haven't seen a Xenon projector that can house a halogen bulb.

The answer is no, because you need the ballast to supply the jolt of power required to ignite the Xenon bulbs. Looking like you will have to go the route I've mentioned if you want HIDs.



I g2g for now...hopefully someone else that's done a HID retrofit, etc. can chime in before I return..

[lagvoid21]

Sorry I wasn't clear. These are OEM S15 HID headlights from a Spec-R. The headlight connects underneath the ballast. With that said, I'm just confused with the different connections and where to get started.

[nrg]

the triangle plug/box thing is for the motor to adjust the height of the projectors. it's not needed. the ballast has two wires, pos and ground. Same connectors as s14mc headlights.

[SimpleS14]

OH....if that the case then you can make a separate harness to power the ballast, which will then ignite the bulbs. Never use your stock wiring harness to power up the ballast.

I'm assuming you have a Zenki S14...since I think I saw your car at GMU way back...but if I'm wrong please excuse me.

Okay with that said...here is the gist of how to make a relay...

Here are the connectors you need to buy...

* One H4 male connector like this one: http://www.comagination.com/parts.htm

* Two pairs of 2-pin connectors like these: http://www.route66supply.com/store/product0.html

* 1N4005 diode

* 12G and 14G (or 16G) wire

* A relay and relay socket such as this one: http://www.route66supply.com/store/product81.html

* Inline fuse holders (one 30A and two 15A) - found at Radio Shack

* Ring terminals (assorted works)

If your familiar with wiring diagrams, your going to follow a diagram like this:
http://faqlight.carpassion.info/hid-harness-single-filament-bi-xenon.gif

Where "male headlamp connector" is the H4 connector and "typically a 9006 connector" is where you have the two pin connectors. Also you note that the two pin connectors are going to replace the existing connector coming from your ballast. You can splice the two grounds for the each ballast together and ground it at one point, that's what I did.

Now...since I'm assuming you have a Zenki your low beams will cut off when you engage the high beams. Inorder to keep the low beams on with the high beams, here is a bit I took from my write-up:

* The 97/98 240SX comes with an extra relay (6-pin, DPDT) that allows the lows to stay on when the high beams are activated. The relay is a brown color and here is the part number: 25230-79964 . In case you don't want to buy a new one (~$15), this is the same relay used for the rear defrogger on various Nissan cars (ex: Altima) so you can find one at the junkyard.

* The relay is wired inline to the connector for the headlight switch. The wiring diagram to show this can be seen HERE (pics/writeup/xenon/koukidiagram.jpg). For comparison purposes the wiring diagram from a 95/96 240SX can be seen HERE (pics/writeup/xenon/zenkidiagram.jpg). As you can see, the 95/96 240SX is missing a relay, resulting in the lows going off when the highs are activated....which is a big no-no for Xenon lighting.

I hope this helps, if your still a bit confuse or want to know why you should make a harness check out this page: http://faqlight.carpassion.info/headlamp-harness.html

You can also post your questions here or PM me and I will try to help out.

[b-s14]

simples14 is just too cool.

[lagvoid21]

Wow! SimpleS14: Thanks for the detailed write-up and precautions of cutting the low beam lights. Now things make much more sense. I'll start shopping around and hopefully find all the parts at one site.

Nrg: Thanks for clearing up that weird little connection!

[SILVIA_KIDs14.5]

Wow! SimpleS14: Thanks for the detailed write-up and precautions of cutting the low beam lights. Now things make much more sense. I'll start shopping around and hopefully find all the parts at one site.

Nrg: Thanks for clearing up that weird little connection!
you know the z33/350z hid connectors are the same as the s15 hid headlights they both are D2S's(that little triangle connector that you couldn't find) and will hook up properly

[ixfxi]

i see my underlings have already helped... hehe just joking.

just cap off the autoleveling adjuster (triangular connector) - you obviously wont be using that. as for the ballast, i would just cut and attach a weatherproof connector on there that you will mate up with your custom relay harness. you could search for a OEM replacement, but then the gauge of the wire will be whatever the stock wiring is. try not to get anything too thin.

btw, we work on z's everyday here and none of those connectors look like whats on a stock 350z headlamp.

nice find on the lamps, what did they run you? oh yeah, dont forget.. it would be wise to disassemble the headlamps and convert them to RHD lighting pattern. in the current form, they shouldnt be used on US roads.

[xkamikazestormx]

you mean LHD pattern right mike.

[s14xman]

move to ban the old school thread bumping villain

[SILVIA_KIDs14.5]

it's located on the bottom of the headlight

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7048/img13198gn.jpg

It doesn't seem to be connected to the bulb (I think the bulb is that triangular connection)?
THAT TRIANGULAR CONNECTOR IS THE MOTOR CONTROL THE AUTO LEVELER LIKE IN THE NEW LEXUS'S YOU DON'T NEEDED IT BUT IF YOU FIND IT PM ME CUZ I'M LOOKING FOR IT TOO HOPE IT HELPS THE HID ARE HOOKED UP THE SAME AS THE REGULAR ONES

[Unholy S14]

caps are fun

[ixfxi]

THAT TRIANGULAR CONNECTOR IS THE MOTOR CONTROL THE AUTO LEVELER LIKE IN THE NEW LEXUS'S YOU DON'T NEEDED IT BUT IF YOU FIND IT PM ME CUZ I'M LOOKING FOR IT TOO HOPE IT HELPS THE HID ARE HOOKED UP THE SAME AS THE REGULAR ONES

no, not like the ones in the new lexuses. those have active headlamps.

these are just basic auto-leveling adjusters. they work when you first turn on the car. or, there may be a switch inside the cabin as well.. for manual adjustment when the car is loaded in the rear.

ps; Yes, i meant LHD lighting pattern.. woops!

[ixfxi]

move to ban the old school thread bumping villain

oh no shit, i didnt even realize that.

who bumps up a thread from way back then to post wrong info? hmm odd

[ixfxi]

http://www.lextasy.com/images_products/P1010729.jpg

haha sorry to keep this thread alive like this, but i just had to post this fucking picture.. god i love google images.

anyway... all i want to say is, keep supporting companies that sell rebased HID retrofit crap. I know, I know.. I usually talk shit about companies that sell that junk, but after seeing this ho'... i'm strung. i'm so happy to see asian biznatches wearing next to near nothing, holding an HID kit.

AWESOME.

http://www.lextasy.com/images_products/P1010727.jpg

o.O
\__/

yeah, thats not degrading.

[RedlineRacer]

Old school zilvians drive me nuts. You guys blast newbies about posting thread topics that have been discussed a hundred times and tell them to search. Then, when a newbie searches and posts on the thread because they were just yelled at for creating a new thread about the same topic, they get yelled at too.

[s14xman]

Old school zilvians drive me nuts. You guys blast newbies about posting thread topics that have been discussed a hundred times and tell them to search. Then, when a newbie searches and posts on the thread because they were just yelled at for creating a new thread about the same topic, they get yelled at too.

I guess you missed the four other threads this fool bumped from years ago. BTW he did not ask anything he added input

[ixfxi]

Old school zilvians drive me nuts. You guys blast newbies about posting thread topics that have been discussed a hundred times and tell them to search. Then, when a newbie searches and posts on the thread because they were just yelled at for creating a new thread about the same topic, they get yelled at too.

actually, we blast anyone for doing anything here. why? because...
1) its fun
2) it gets boring, we need entertainment
3) because FUCK'EM, thats why! (hehe lets see if anyone catches that quote)


s14xman> I guess you missed the four other threads this fool bumped from years ago. BTW he did not ask anything he added input

incorrect input, as i noted earlier. ;)

[A'PEXi]

don't know what your trying to do, but if you want to use the oem hid's (ballstat & bulb) you will have to get the oem s15 hid bulb + cap...

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6765/111ve4.jpg

the oem bulb has wires which go through a grommet in the (grey cap) and connect straight to the ballstat without any messing around... alternativley, you can just get an aftermarket hid kit and mount the bulb (either without the grey cap, or drill a hole through the cap to feed the wires through)... and connect it up that way, though you wont be able to use the oem ballstat.

[nrg]

stop murdering this thread. i've answered the OP's question years ago.

apex'i. i guess you dont understand how OEM hid works. see that wire to the left? that is what powers the hid ballast and the D2S bulb that's behind the gray cover. the rear gray cover is to prevent water from getting into the housing. the wires are internal. hence, that huge cover for the ballast on the bottom of the headlight.

SILVIA_KIDs14.5, 350z headlights are not the same connectors. those headlights use a huge 8 pin plug that also powers the signal, highs, running lights, etc. all on one headlight. 03-05 350z HID bulbs are D2R bulbs btw.

D2S: HID projector, D2R: HID reflector.

ixfxi, that post above with the girl is useless. go touch a real girl.

s14xman, the guy that bumped this thread posted WRONG info lol.

2006 members :down:

[ixfxi]

ixfxi, that post above with the girl is useless. go touch a real girl.

just remember, i own you.

[Infamax]

3) because FUCK'EM, thats why! (hehe lets see if anyone catches that quote)

The Chapelle Show - Pop Copy training video:hsdance:

[A'PEXi]

nrg, fyi, i have an OEM s15 HID bulb and grey cap and i've also installed an aftermarket hid kit into an s15. as i was trying to explain. aftermarket or oem, there will need to be a hole in the cap in order to connect the bulb and the ballstat.... there are internal wires but thats to power the actual bulb

sorry for bumping the thread if it was old, was trying to help the guy out and didn't realise it was an old thread.

[ixfxi]

nrg, fyi, i have an OEM s15 HID bulb and grey cap and i've also installed an aftermarket hid kit into an s15. as i was trying to explain. aftermarket or oem, there will need to be a hole in the cap in order to connect the bulb and the ballstat.... there are internal wires but thats to power the actual bulb

i dont think you understand how OEM HID works.

there is no drilling.

there is no modifications.

its stock HID, its designed from the factory to have all of the components mounted as part of the headlamp assembly.

therefor, the ballast is bolted directly to the headlamp, the wires are run within the headlamp and connect to the bulb.

HID retrofit kits are junk. converting those h1 projectors to HID would be a shame.

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i think you have that connector confused my friend. the connector you outlined in your crappy MS paint pic, isnt the high voltage out from the ballast - its the low voltage IN to the ballast.

the ballast wires are run WITHIN the headlamp system, and sealed from the elements. i think this is where you are mistaken. you though the high voltage plug (d2s/d2r plug) is the same (and it is, with ALL d2 setups).

ok - end of subject, glad i cleared the confusion and swept the floor. lock thread.

[nrg]

nrg, fyi, i have an OEM s15 HID bulb and grey cap and i've also installed an aftermarket hid kit into an s15. as i was trying to explain. aftermarket or oem, there will need to be a hole in the cap in order to connect the bulb and the ballstat.... there are internal wires but thats to power the actual bulb

sorry for bumping the thread if it was old, was trying to help the guy out and didn't realise it was an old thread.

you're an idiot. why would you waste money and install an "aftermarket" hid kit on a OEM HID s15 headlight? The OEM ballast is a D2 ballast. so it will work with any "OEM/Aftermarket" bulb that isn't "rebased". so if you wanted a higher kelvin hid bulb for your headlights, you just buy a new D2S bulb and use your oem ballast. No drilling/wiring needed. So you're telling me you have the stock OEM ballast still mounted and not being used on the headlight?

the "internal wires" you're talking about is from your OEM ballast.

I guess you mickey moused your headlights because you didn't understand how it worked. ouch.

get pictures of your setup and post it on hidplanet.com/forums

btw, HID Kit = rebased hid bulb to fit on non-hid headlamps. hid retrofit = OEM components from cars that are custom installed into headlamps to create OEM cutoff.

[A'PEXi]

nrg, how about you stop the name calling and get your facts right first?

jdm s15's came with the option of hid headlights, audm s15's came with h1 halogen bulbs instead of hid's, therefore, no ballstat etc. therefore aftermarket hid's was the cheapest and easiest option.

a friend of mine owns a audm s15, and also brought a pair of 'jdm' s15 headlights which had the hid option (expensive mind you), thus having the ballstat screwed to the bottom of the headlight and the oem HID bulb/grey cap. we installed these in his car without any dramas.

[nrg]

yes, i understand that there are non-HID s15 headlights. but this thread isn't about the non-hid headlights. You didn't even have to mention anything about what you posted. If it was about the non-hid headlights, then your post would've been valid; but it's not.

like you said, your friend bought s15 oem hid headlights, he didn't have to "drill" the back gray cover.

there's no such thing has AUDM. all your cars are direct Japaneses imports.

[CKAMC]

AUDM is just a JP car that has been molested by Australian compliance procedure. Compliance is another step the Australian government sets in place to make money on jp imported cars.

in fact, the value of a AUDM is less than a original non molested jp version.

cant believe they hack at the OEM HID system in the compliance procedure just so they can stick in a bloody halogen which I can hear mike cry and scream about right now.

[ixfxi]

btw, HID Kit = rebased hid bulb to fit on non-hid headlamps. hid retrofit = OEM components from cars that are custom installed into headlamps to create OEM cutoff.

actually, its more like this:

rebased hid kit = garbage being sold where a xenon capsule is rebased and converted to halogen form factor.

hid kit = true hid conversion kits. they do exist, dot complaint and such, for cars like c5 corvette, mustang, etc..

hid retrofit = OEM components installed to achieve an OEM beam pattern, not cutoff.

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either way, its obvious the guy from australia is getting the connectors confused - he doesnt understand that the OEM s15 xenon headlamp has the ballast directly bolted to the housing and is internally wired. not a big deal, he just needs to chillout on the drinking and read a bit more.

[nrg]

actually, its more like this:

rebased hid kit = garbage being sold where a xenon capsule is rebased and converted to halogen form factor.

hid kit = true hid conversion kits. they do exist, dot complaint and such, for cars like c5 corvette, mustang, etc..

hid retrofit = OEM components installed to achieve an OEM beam pattern, not cutoff.

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either way, its obvious the guy from australia is getting the connectors confused - he doesnt understand that the OEM s15 xenon headlamp has the ballast directly bolted to the housing and is internally wired. not a big deal, he just needs to chillout on the drinking and read a bit more.

proof of these "good" hid kits? do you mean buying factory HID headlights and installing them on your car? isn't that called OEM HID?

hid retrofit is to achieve both beam pattern and cutoff. good beam pattern will put most useful lights on the ground; a good cutoff will block all glare from on coming traffic and also with the "right" cutoff, you can see street signs. If cutoff wasn't an issue, then you should try driving around with RHD cutoff on LHD USA roads. :)


CKAMC, there are alot of cars with factory hid and halogen. Toyota celica, ford focus, lancer evo, etc. it's all optional to save buyers money.

[ixfxi]

proof of these "good" hid kits?

No problem young buck:
Mustang: http://www.saleen.com/hid.htm
Corvette: http://www.vette-hid.com/order.html


You learn something everyday, eh? Anyway, considering there's so much rebased bullshit being sold - its hard to find these needles in the haystack. However, the above aftermarket lamps are DOT compliant solutions, much like the Sylvania XenArc was for the 200mm rectangular headlamps. Expensive business ventures, but hey... they exist.


hid retrofit is to achieve both beam pattern and cutoff. good beam pattern will put most useful lights on the ground; a good cutoff will block all glare from on coming traffic and also with the "right" cutoff, you can see street signs. If cutoff wasn't an issue, then you should try driving around with RHD cutoff on LHD USA roads. :)

.... do you know who i am?

bottom line, cutoff is NOT how you judge the quality of a headlamp - lighting pattern is how you measure quality, and this is done with photometrics.


CKAMC, there are alot of cars with factory hid and halogen. Toyota celica, ford focus, lancer evo, etc. it's all optional to save buyers money.

save BUYERS money? no, manufacturers have NO care in saving buyers money. luxuries are offered as "options" in order for mfgs to cut costs and appeal to the thrifty demographic.

[A'PEXi]

yes, i understand that there are non-HID s15 headlights. but this thread isn't about the non-hid headlights. You didn't even have to mention anything about what you posted. If it was about the non-hid headlights, then your post would've been valid; but it's not.

like you said, your friend bought s15 oem hid headlights, he didn't have to "drill" the back gray cover.

there's no such thing has AUDM. all your cars are direct Japaneses imports.

you are incorrect, from what i can see in the photo, he doesn't have jdm hid caps for the back of the headlights, the caps are identical to the audm version or in other words the version WITHOUT HIDS. here is a picture of the OEM HID CAP so you know what i'm talking about, so wires protrude after all don't they?

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5247/nrgisgaycn8.jpg

and fyi, there is audm, though i won't bother explaining as you won't listen anyway.

[S14DB]

you are incorrect, from what i can see in the photo, he doesn't have jdm hid caps for the back of the headlights, the caps are identical to the audm version or in other words the version WITHOUT HIDS. here is a picture of the OEM HID CAP so you know what i'm talking about, so wires protrude after all don't they?

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5247/nrgisgaycn8.jpg

and fyi, there is audm, though i won't bother explaining as you won't listen anyway.

That's a H1 conversion bulb. Not, a D2S HID Bulb. Your using the H1 Halogen housing with a re-based Xeon Bulb.

[ixfxi]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6765/111ve4.jpg

^ Factory HID headlamp. Xenon ballast attached to bottom of headlamp, stock. Wires are ran internally, not through some shit cutout on the rear of the bulb cover.


http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5247/nrgisgaycn8.jpg

^ Piece of shit rebased HID retrofit, h1 rebased HID bulb for HALOGEN light housing.

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I dont understand if your brain cells are working, because if they ARE you'de understand what i am telling you. There IS NO specific headlamp for Australia, you're using the same shit the rest of the world is - the OE J-spec lamps, period.

If you keep posting WRONG information, it would appear that you have no interest in understanding things and instead, are just trying to spread misinformation. If thats the case, your stupid ass should be banned.

Really.. how hard of a concept is this to understand? Dont be a tool.. please.

[ixfxi]

http://www.coolbulbs.com/images/hid/HID-PHILIPS-BALLAST-02.jpg

^ see this? this is what a FACTORY xenon plug/ballast looks like. Look at the fucking plug, moron - its massive compared to that cheap piece of crap you posted. Its a large factory HID connector, and its internally wired.

http://clearcorners.com/services/0005/

readup and stop being stupid.

[CKAMC]

Mike saves the day

NRG - but there are other cars that come with them standard. Chaser,Mark2, ect.

[A'PEXi]

the cheap piece of crap i posted was what my friend was given and stated as 'jdm headlights' if they are what you say they are then he was ripped off. i was posting what i believed to be oem parts, however, it looks as though they arn't.

[S14DB]

Yeah, this is a DS2 HID projector.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/S14DB/240sx/HID/Projector1.jpg

And a D2S bulb:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/S14DB/240sx/HID/H1vsD2S/D2S2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/S14DB/240sx/HID/H1vsD2S/D2S3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/S14DB/240sx/HID/H1vsD2S/D2S4.jpg

[A'PEXi]

I've just got the part numbers from fast so you are all are correct.

Product:
85122

Description:
D2S 85122 85V 35W

and you may need an additional wiring loom and control stalk to control the headlamp motors to adjust angle beam...

anyway, what i've said previously only applies to those doing the h1 conversion... the oem xenons are a costly upgrade, but i do believe they are better and should be plug and play.

[ixfxi]

anyway, what i've said previously only applies to those doing the h1 conversion... the oem xenons are a costly upgrade, but i do believe they are better and should be plug and play.

.............................................. <sigh>

[A'PEXi]

.............................................. <sigh>

whats your problem?

[SILVIA_KIDs14.5]

stop murdering this thread. i've answered the OP's question years ago.

apex'i. i guess you dont understand how OEM hid works. see that wire to the left? that is what powers the hid ballast and the D2S bulb that's behind the gray cover. the rear gray cover is to prevent water from getting into the housing. the wires are internal. hence, that huge cover for the ballast on the bottom of the headlight.

SILVIA_KIDs14.5, 350z headlights are not the same connectors. those headlights use a huge 8 pin plug that also powers the signal, highs, running lights, etc. all on one headlight. 03-05 350z HID bulbs are D2R bulbs btw.

D2S: HID projector, D2R: HID reflector.

ixfxi, that post above with the girl is useless. go touch a real girl.

s14xman, the guy that bumped this thread posted WRONG info lol.

2006 members :down:
and actually i didn't see when the thread was posted for one and two they are the same because i went to the nissan dealer and talked to a tech so the are unless they're giving out wrong info i was right so don't tell me that an blast me cuz i'm new! also i just wired up my S15 spec R HID headlights and the work fine!!

[ixfxi]

you're 20. you're young. you're wrong.

please, let the thread die. i have no care WHAT the tech told you. you want a tech? you be the tech, work on your own car, take your own pics, and prove it.

i have 6 pairs of 350z headlamps at my office, some are 03-05 hid, some are 03-05 halogen, and a few 06+ bixenon. NONE of them have those connectors.

tell your tech to shove my words up his ass, and save them for his next diagnosis. and please, let this thread die. ;)