Ncda Night Drift Cancelled

[FaLKoN240]

05/15/06
In an email to NCDA Lead Manager Todd Ho, Altamont Raceway said that it could not get the required Alameda County permits to hold drift events. Because of this, the rest of the Night Drift season is on hold until further notice. There will be no drifting until the permit issue is resolved.

So. . .Night Drift has been postponed, yet again. I'm gonna go kill myself.

I just spent $50 on a full tank of 91 (for ND), to come home to this.

I'm curling up and dying RIGHT NOW.

[blu808]

Yup. Shock mass suicide...

[i8yourfwd]

which cliff are we jumping off of?

[nokeone]

fuckin worthless...

just goes to show, if the powers that be don't want you doing something they will find a way, no matter how petty, to shut you down...

!#^&(%#@^%&*$#!%*!!!!!

[DJPimpFlex]

the BS thing is I feel so damn useless. I want do something, but I dont know what else to do. If anyone can think of anything hit me up. I'm 100% down to help with anything.

[Raziel]

Well i hope all is not lost but the way things have been going its really easy to lose hope.

[monkey7]

This totally sucks! What am I going to do? I was really looking forward to the event.

[bart628]

Damn I've been waiting after the first two were cancelled... and now the whole season is postponed? It's upsetting how a few inconsiderate people can ruin it for everyone :-(

[blu808]

Sorry guys but that email was generouse. They dont give a shit about us. and all that i have been hoping for all year is lost. its ok. i will just poo on everyone. sorry we let you guys down. you have no idea how much we put into trying for you guys, it was like a 10 hr a day project for todd, henry, don, and I. poo. shock pos repping..

[!Zar!]

Hearing this makes me want to move to socal.

[Sil-Abc]

and i just bought new wheels for the fuckin track! god dammit

i wonder if theres any other events we can go to

[Yuri]

Hearing this makes me want to move to socal.
Why? California Speedway shut down drift days there.:hammer:

[slider2828]

WOW! I SO did not need to hear this sh!t.... WTF... whoever was drifting in front of the fucking track needs to be shot.... and if they are reading this forum and shrugg their shoulders and say whatever.... GO SUCK YOURSELF UP YOU POS.......

I just wanna say thank you to Luke for welding my diff (Guy with the dress shirt at the petition in UC in case you dun remember)... awesome to see the build of the LS1FD up front and personal. All the shock people are kewl..... And this really kills it in Norcal man.... Damn......

[Ritz S14]

I hauld ass to get my car together, and this is what happens...

[FaLKoN240]

I don't think the baby wannabe drifters helped this issue, but I don't think that's the reason why Night Drift is cancelled.

I'd be willing to pay $100 for Night Drift, I just wanna drive my car, and not worry about police, and curbs.

[rcsmith01]

NCDA took a lot of people off the streets. I quit street drifting once I knew about NCDA. I fear this won't be the case this summer though.

Everyone appreciates NCDA's hard work. I don't get it though, Tracy is in San Quaqin Valley and Altamont Raceway is in Alameda county? So complaining to the mayor of Tracy won't help. If you wanted to stir some stuff it would have to be to livermore?

[Sauceboy0]

ah that's to bad.

[Delano]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so gay

[NemeGuero]

which cliff are we jumping off of?

Like lemmings?

Yah, +1 for $100 fees if it means track..
I too am sad, I too hope the posers die..

Lets all pitch in and buy a property up in the hills and make a private track.

[95Blue240sx]

damnnn this would of been my first event! I fucking cleared the day for this shit, i signed the petition, and i fully back NCDA!

Lets all pitch in and get some BEER and drown.

[Ritz S14]

Like lemmings?

Yah, +1 for $100 fees if it means track..
I too am sad, I too hope the posers die..

Lets all pitch in and buy a property up in the hills and make a private track.

I'm down for $100-150 if it means less people and more seat time.

[Nan Desu Ka?!]

Like lemmings?

Yah, +1 for $100 fees if it means track..
I too am sad, I too hope the posers die..

Lets all pitch in and buy a property up in the hills and make a private track.
Wow... you are soooooooooooooooo observant cpt. obvious. :p

god damnit, I was looking forward to riding with jon wayne. I am teh suck and wanted to learn more, so I could drive the next time.

fuck fuck fuckidy fuck.

Luke, thanks for all your hard work. It does not go unapreciated.

[Scooter]

I know that i post this eariler but allow me to reiterate

This is the kind of (shit)/stuff that perpetuates illegal racing!!!! Take away the legal venues and what do you have

1. a bunch of pissed off drifters/racers who want race but can't which will lead too...

2. a community/ society that feels that illegal racing should be dealt with because it's dangerous for "our kids and others" (very true)...but wait...oh...that's right they tried, but took away our Freaking places where we could go drift and have a good time legally!

Because of what?? Permit issues?? Come on!! Look, I’m not going to knock the DDNORCAL or NCDA at all, but the city and (state if necessary) I am. They should really take a hard look at what's not being done! And that is getting illegal racing off the streets! If the "cities" continue to cancel events because of (what ever it is...permits)...they need to have a reality check.

Event providers such as DDayNorcal and NCDA are busting their a55es to get racing and drifting legal and off the streets. What happens when they succeed, they get knocked down by the city because of permit issues or that a representative of the council "believes it promotes side shows" Come ON!!! Where’s the FucN' sense. IMO Take away our venues and there will be more Freakin' side shows and more kids dying because they have no where to do it but the Street. This is Asinine

See you guys on the Streets!!!
-Hung-Wen >_< one more ****ed off person!


p.s. if there is anything that can be done let's try! it's all we have and have nothing to loose

[Mr.Hikaru-son]

/\ +1 Very True

[DJPimpFlex]

I'm starting to like my bike more and more. At least that way I can go fast on the street legaly.....

[dorifto-san4o8]

i wanna know why other motorsports dont get fucked over like this...damn we all been waiting so long for a legal place to drift and now this... i wouldnt mind even paying 200 dollars for track time.

[TurDz]

I know that i post this eariler but allow me to reiterate

This is the kind of (shit)/stuff that perpetuates illegal racing!!!! Take away the legal venues and what do you have

1. a bunch of pissed off drifters/racers who want race but can't which will lead too...

2. a community/ society that feels that illegal racing should be dealt with because it's dangerous for "our kids and others" (very true)...but wait...oh...that's right they tried, but took away our Freaking places where we could go drift and have a good time legally!

Because of what?? Permit issues?? Come on!! Look, I’m not going to knock the DDNORCAL or NCDA at all, but the city and (state if necessary) I am. They should really take a hard look at what's not being done! And that is getting illegal racing off the streets! If the "cities" continue to cancel events because of (what ever it is...permits)...they need to have a reality check.

Event providers such as DDayNorcal and NCDA are busting their a55es to get racing and drifting legal and off the streets. What happens when they succeed, they get knocked down by the city because of permit issues or that a representative of the council "believes it promotes side shows" Come ON!!! Where’s the FucN' sense. IMO Take away our venues and there will be more Freakin' side shows and more kids dying because they have no where to do it but the Street. This is Asinine

See you guys on the Streets!!!
-Hung-Wen >_< one more ****ed off person!


p.s. if there is anything that can be done let's try! it's all we have and have nothing to loose


If you're talking about racing alone...there are still many organizations that hold them on tracks legally. Just not drifting.

[downshift_sideways]

fuckkkk man! are you freaking serious??
I was prepping my car up for the track.! this is freaking wack!
My day is all jacked up now.
I also filled 3/4 tank of 91 gas, and stripped the interior.

i'm down to pay at all costs for slide time.

Scooter: I'm with you 100%

[NemeGuero]

Someone wanna try taking it up with the city? We could do more petitioning if we can find out why exactly they didnt' give the permit out.

Anyone got an Altamont or NCDA insider who could give us more info? Lets use some brain power and push them up against the wall and make 'em let us have it.

We can make some noise until they subside..
Viva la Revolucion!

[blu808]

Thats the wrong approach. Just give me some time. I have been working on this all day, and i will get some more info for you guys.

[NemeGuero]

Thats the wrong approach. Just give me some time. I have been working on this all day, and i will get some more info for you guys.

Whatever you need.

Let us know for sure if we can help. Anything.

[Scooter]

If you're talking about racing alone...there are still many organizations that hold them on tracks legally. Just not drifting.


TurDz: I agree with you but if you really look at it...still not enough! There are organizations out there no doubt but the cost is where we pay! events like NCDA or DDNorcal provide a affordable and public venue for anyone and everyone. you can bet i'll be at more autoX but...IMO it's still not the same :cry:
in terms of drifting that is...:( well i'm sure everyone here would agree if there is anything that can be done Please inform all. Thanks

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

Thanks Luke! Goonies NEVER say die!!!!

[NemeGuero]

*Starts chanting*
Luke! Luke! Luke!

¡Si se puede!

[Sil-Abc]

we need to find whoever was fuckin around outsdie altamont, beat them up, make them confess to the Alameda councilmen, and write an apology note, then beat them up some more :D

[TurDz]

TurDz: I agree with you but if you really look at it...still not enough! There are organizations out there no doubt but the cost is where we pay! events like NCDA or DDNorcal provide a affordable and public venue for anyone and everyone. you can bet i'll be at more autoX but...IMO it's still not the same :cry:
in terms of drifting that is...:( well i'm sure everyone here would agree if there is anything that can be done Please inform all. Thanks


The cost is where you pay, but haven't members here said they would fork over the dough (for drifting at least)?

Not enough?? all in California:


NASA (http://www.nasaproracing.com)

TrackMasters (http://www.trackmasters-racing.com/)

UnlimitedLaps (http://www.unlimitedlaps.com/)

NorCal Racing Club/Tracquest (http://www.ncracing.org/)

Driving Concepts (http://www.drivingconcepts.com/) (w/ drifting)


Plus many other smaller private organizations such as NCDA @T-hill, and Private Events at ButtonWillow, both which focus on drifting. It may cost more at ~$150, but its a whole day event at very nice tracks. I'd say there are many options still, for racing "grip" anyway.

[FaLKoN240]

Some people aren't interested in grip. I'm not, because if I was, I sure as hell wouldn't have an S chassis.

[TurDz]

Some people aren't interested in grip. I'm not, because if I was, I sure as hell wouldn't have an S chassis.

I mentioned drift, didn't I?

Also, the user that i replied to mentioned racing, so I took it like he said it.

[rcsmith01]

Livermore runs will be back. We used to have those back in the day and boy those cops get pissed!

[projekt_s13]

Livermore runs will be back. We used to have those back in the day and boy those cops get pissed!

What exacly are you saying? Are you gonna start drifting in or around livermore? That would just make the situation worse. :hammer: :aw:

[Kwick Silver SF]

..................all that work for nothing, i hope we can convince the city with all these petitions were signing, i wouldnt mind paying 150-200 for atleast some track time.....:bash:

[95Blue240sx]

I dunno about 200 for some track time. Im a broke college student. I wouldnt mind the price in the $100 range.

[Sil-Abc]

150 is the avg price and u get a full day so thats my max. i dont mind plus the ricer kids will be "o thats too much" so 125-150 is good for me

[SlappieBooBoo]

time to look for somewhere else to drift

[CrappyS13]

fuckkkk man! are you freaking serious??
I was prepping my car up for the track.! this is freaking wack!
My day is all jacked up now.
I also filled 3/4 tank of 91 gas, and stripped the interior.

i'm down to pay at all costs for slide time.

Scooter: I'm with you 100%

i know this is off topic but our cars should run 91 all the time

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

i know this is off topic but our cars should run 91 all the time


N/A KA doesn't care. It runs fine on 89 or 87

Turbo 91 only, advanced ignition timing 91 only but it won't make any real difference on a mostly stock KA

[monkey7]

My comment is only speculation. I think another association is bidding for the time slot. Which will bring the price up for drifting in Norcal. I think Altamont is going to still have drifting events. Just my thought.

[Sil-Abc]

i wish i was rich so i can build a track out in east bay or in morgan hill or somewhere empty and stuff. :C we should all chip in $50 bucks and build a track but then that would be moronic..... fuck you imagination

[Nan Desu Ka?!]

lol it takes tens of thousands of dollars :C

but i support your imagination jon lol

[Scooter]

The cost is where you pay, but haven't members here said they would fork over the dough (for drifting at least)?

Not enough?? all in California:


NASA (http://www.nasaproracing.com)

TrackMasters (http://www.trackmasters-racing.com/)

UnlimitedLaps (http://www.unlimitedlaps.com/)

NorCal Racing Club/Tracquest (http://www.ncracing.org/)

Driving Concepts (http://www.drivingconcepts.com/) (w/ drifting)


Plus many other smaller private organizations such as NCDA @T-hill, and Private Events at ButtonWillow, both which focus on drifting. It may cost more at ~$150, but its a whole day event at very nice tracks. I'd say there are many options still, for racing "grip" anyway.



Like i said before DDNorcal and NCDA provide events to the public at a affordable cost for the public. theses links you posted are nice indeed but the cost for two of the links you posted, at least $220 for a track day! NASA i've been to and it's fun no doubt i'll give you this, but the point is there arent' enought venues that can offer a good/great price such as NCDA, DDNorcal, Private events. going outside of these small organization equals High cost! now is it worth it...that depends on the person. but in terms of Drifting...NASA would be the only venue that would allow for this. all other places reall frown on drifting.

[bangoo man]

Why? California Speedway shut down drift days there.:hammer:

California Speedway? the one in Fontana?? Is that why there are no DriftDays scheduled there on driftday.com for the rest of the year??

the next 3 driftdays are at irwindale... :(

[BigVinnie]

I feel that responsibility comes with age. If there are to be drift nights it should be excluded to people under the age of 19. IMO when you get highschool kids involved it turns into another F&F. Insurance companies don't want to back it up and neither does the city for the permits.
Maybe if there is an agreement with the city council of Tracy it can be doable.
Hey technically if we round up enough money we can just bribe the city council like most event planners do......

[Irukandji]

I feel that responsibility comes with age. If there are to be drift nights it should be excluded to people under the age of 19. IMO when you get highschool kids involved it turns into another F&F. Insurance companies don't want to back it up and neither does the city for the permits.
Maybe if there is an agreement with the city council of Tracy it can be doable.
Hey technically if we round up enough money we can just bribe the city council like most event planners do......


I totally disagree with responsibility coming with age. I see 45 year olds acting like immature bitches all the time, and 18 year olds giving intellectual speeches in front of thousands of people. Maybe 18 and over would be a good idea though.

[dontworrybout it]

I disagree with the whole age limit idea, but i definitely see where you're coming from. But by excluding those 18 years and younger, we would just be encouraging them to go F&F on the streets. I'd rather see them be stupid on the tracks and crash or whatever in a controlled area. Either way, this situation just sucks. There's no easy solution.

[BigVinnie]

But by excluding those 18 years and younger, we would just be encouraging them to go F&F on the streets. I'd rather see them be stupid on the tracks and crash or whatever in a controlled area. Either way, this situation just sucks. There's no easy solution.

If it's on a thursday they should be home with mommy and daddy studying....
There is a thing called high school and the one thing I don't encourage is a unhealthy study enviornment. If I was to condone kids to encourage them to come out to a night drift till 10:00PM, then something is wrong with society.
Plus theres a benefit to it.... Less people on the track, more track time for me....:naughty:

[heartcooksmouse]

Like lemmings?

Yah, +1 for $100 fees if it means track..
I too am sad, I too hope the posers die..

Lets all pitch in and buy a property up in the hills and make a private track.


there's seriously 100s of acres of land along highway 5 just after 152 or whatever... if you know where i'm talking about.
and if someone owns it, then its private property, and all you'd need are liability wavers, and you should be good. right? or, is there something way deep down that makes it so hard all this crap is happening.

i'm still confused, why is the WHOLE season postponed?
i mean, at least i get more time to get my car working, but still... i wanted to at least spectate for a few events. buuuuuumer.

[tbowzer]

i'm still confused, why is the WHOLE season postponed?
i mean, at least i get more time to get my car working, but still... i wanted to at least spectate for a few events. buuuuuumer.

basically they do not want us there, there are alot of rumors going around but I heard that alameda county has banned drifting indefinately..

[TurDz]

there's seriously 100s of acres of land along highway 5 just after 152 or whatever... if you know where i'm talking about.
and if someone owns it, then its private property, and all you'd need are liability wavers, and you should be good. right? or, is there something way deep down that makes it so hard all this crap is happening.

i'm still confused, why is the WHOLE season postponed?
i mean, at least i get more time to get my car working, but still... i wanted to at least spectate for a few events. buuuuuumer.

because I think getting required permits (sound, pollution) are very strict.

[mooboy]

From NCDA.net:

At begining of 2006 we sat down with Riverside Motorsport whom is the managing company for Altamont Motorsport Park to secure the park for the 2006 season of Night Drift. Mr. Kenny Shepard the general manager who was filled with anticipation and excitment promised us the track will go through construction and agreed to host the 2006 Night Drift season. As spring comes along so did the rain and caused a construction delay and cancellation of the first 2 scheduled Night Drifts which no one could prevent. During early April we got the word that the county of Alameda was having some concern over drifting and is requiring a hearing and petition to reconsider allowing drifting.

However the May 18th Night Drift was still promised a green light from Mr. Kenny Shepard but all participants have to show good behavior in order for the county and authority to futher consider drifting at Altamont. During first week of May Mr. Shepard claimed to witness 5-7 unindentified cars showed up at Midway road in front of Altamont race way on May 4th and were driving wrecklessly. After a personal meeting with Mr. Shepard on May 9th he instructed Henry Ahn and I to send out the message and gather all NCDA supporters and driver to promise good behavior with signatures before he "feels" confortable with hosting the May 18th Night Drift. On May 15th I contacted Mr. Shepard and was prepared to show him over 100 signatures that were gathered and to discuss details to prevent complaints and enforcing rules against wreckless driving on Midway road. On evening of May 16th which is less then 48 hours away from May 18th Night Drift I recieved an E-mail from Mr. Shapard stating "you need to put the word that there is no drifting at AMP during this month or until we get the permit problems related to drifting resolved." All the way until this Email was received by me NCDA was under the assumption by the promise of Mr. Shepard that May 18th Night Drift will go on. I just want to share with you what happend and what took place. NCDA staff and I feel we have done everything we can to put Night Drift 2006 on the map without any negligence. It is my deepest regret the effort to organize Night Drift 2006 has to end this way without Altamont being recognized for the problems they caused at the expense of having NCDA's marketing credibility ruined. All I ask now is for fellow NCDA supporters to stick together while the combined force of corporations and government are all against amateur drifting.

Thank you for years of support.

Todd Ho

[slider2828]

Wow thanks Todd.... I think on behalf of most of the people who enjoy drifting that we commend your efforts. So what is the next step in order to either get AMP and the city to give us the permits or find some where else to run the drift nights? I was talking over with friends and what if we had some sort of security check points along midway road by people in NCDA? I think people would volunteer for that duty easily. Is it also possible with your knowledge of where else we can have possibly have drift nights? Maybe Marina air field or something? Thanks

[BigVinnie]

Hey this is all I have to say to Mr.Shepard.......:mephfawk:

[NemeGuero]

From NCDA.net:

At begining of 2006 we sat down with Riverside Motorsport whom is the managing company for Altamont Motorsport Park to secure the park for the 2006 season of Night Drift. Mr. Kenny Shepard the general manager who was filled with anticipation and excitment promised us the track will go through construction and agreed to host the 2006 Night Drift season. As spring comes along so did the rain and caused a construction delay and cancellation of the first 2 scheduled Night Drifts which no one could prevent. During early April we got the word that the county of Alameda was having some concern over drifting and is requiring a hearing and petition to reconsider allowing drifting.

However the May 18th Night Drift was still promised a green light from Mr. Kenny Shepard but all participants have to show good behavior in order for the county and authority to futher consider drifting at Altamont. During first week of May Mr. Shepard claimed to witness 5-7 unindentified cars showed up at Midway road in front of Altamont race way on May 4th and were driving wrecklessly. After a personal meeting with Mr. Shepard on May 9th he instructed Henry Ahn and I to send out the message and gather all NCDA supporters and driver to promise good behavior with signatures before he "feels" confortable with hosting the May 18th Night Drift. On May 15th I contacted Mr. Shepard and was prepared to show him over 100 signatures that were gathered and to discuss details to prevent complaints and enforcing rules against wreckless driving on Midway road. On evening of May 16th which is less then 48 hours away from May 18th Night Drift I recieved an E-mail from Mr. Shapard stating "you need to put the word that there is no drifting at AMP during this month or until we get the permit problems related to drifting resolved." All the way until this Email was received by me NCDA was under the assumption by the promise of Mr. Shepard that May 18th Night Drift will go on. I just want to share with you what happend and what took place. NCDA staff and I feel we have done everything we can to put Night Drift 2006 on the map without any negligence. It is my deepest regret the effort to organize Night Drift 2006 has to end this way without Altamont being recognized for the problems they caused at the expense of having NCDA's marketing credibility ruined. All I ask now is for fellow NCDA supporters to stick together while the combined force of corporations and government are all against amateur drifting.

Thank you for years of support.

Todd Ho

Lets go drift in front of lying flakey-ass Mr. Shepard's house at 4 am...

In our defense we'll say..
"We were just holding you to your PROMISE."

[monkey7]

What a prick-a-saurous!

Thats why on the altamont racing web site says "Drifting program." It never mention anything about NCDA.

Altamont had a plan from day one under new management.
Bastards!

[YUNG DRIF]

hey i hope i wasnt the only one up there today, Lukey boy u said u were gonna so i hope u did cause ur my hereo , i couldnt stop lookn at u wen u were weldin my diff u hotty hahahaahaha ,Hey todd i got the same tutor as u wen u were learnin about racin .Vick said hiii