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ootranceformeroo
05-15-2006, 07:25 PM
First off I made a purchase from this guy. A large purchase (s14 sr20det and HPI FMIC). Total money sent was $2000. I payed via bank transfer thinking it was somewhat okay because I had all of his information. He gave me a tracking number once the motor was shipped out to a company called www.shipnorthamerica.com I called their company and they told me the number I was looking for was probably some company called "overnight shipping" or something like that. So I figure, the number actually does belong to a company, just probably not the company name he gave me. So its been about 2 weeks and the motor still hasnt came in (which probably won't). I talked to him on the phone maybe once or twice and left various emails and voicemails. I called his number again a few days ago (saturday) and his number is now no longer in service. So I figured Im fucked. Now Im out $2000 and a motor. Anyways, any info on this guy would help. If you live in his area, and can check out his place or soemthing for me, I'd greatly appriciate it.

Touring240 has pmed me willing to help out and if I could get anyone elses input, it would help a lot too.


Here is the information that he told me. I have his number (but no longer in service), address, and bank account number and info.


Phone: (778) 862-9050
Address:

David Lipohar
104-1015 Columbia St.
New Westminster, BC V3M 6H6

Bank Info:

edited...

If there is absolutely anything that you can do, let me know. Email me with any info you have or post up here. Thank you.

Here are the for sale threads that he put up for your reference.

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=107016
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=107725

Jay Slade or any other mods, can you make this a sticky? It would help me out a lot and would help other Zilvia members to be aware of this guy. An idea I thought about when signing up for an account would have the new member give his credit card number, SS #, address, Paypal account or anything that could help out others in an event like this. Many people have been getting scammed over Zilvia and it fuckin sucks. It's probably something that Zilvia would not do or allow because it is too personal but it's a suggestion I thought of.


-Daniel Tom

cc4usmc
05-15-2006, 07:50 PM
hmmm...maybe a connection?

http://www.420times.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5395

i emailed the guy that wrote the article, but i dont expect much since its 4 years old. but its worth a try, right?

surukis14
05-15-2006, 08:09 PM
holy craaaaaaap thats :ghey:

hope u find the guy and get your cash back.. good luck sorry to hear.. its steven btw

sw20>>s14
05-15-2006, 08:16 PM
so now its comfirmed???!!! damn...lets just go to canada and get it squared away...and im not talking about "im hardcore zilvian, let go shoot sum bodeeee" squared away...i mean, really investigate with reports, emails, etc., and contact the local authorities...$2000 already lost, whats another few hundred to travel/potentially get some cash back?...

i dont know if itll help, but you can file complaints with the FBI and some other government agencies that regulate internet trade...but most likely, being out of the country and all...itll be useless...

sucks man...his last log in was on the 5th...maybe hes out of town or something...hopefully...hope it works out man...

ootranceformeroo
05-15-2006, 08:34 PM
that article above is kind of trippy. Maybe its a different David? Do you know why he was arrested at the time?

theicecreamdan
05-15-2006, 08:51 PM
go to your bank, talk to them. They should have a pretty good idea on how to get it all taken care of legally, and they SHOULD have a very good interest in making you happy again.

vsiev
05-15-2006, 08:55 PM
suck to hear that...i was scammed a long time ago over a laptop....one thing i learned is never ever do bank transfer unless it is to your relatives or your own accounts...you can't back track from a bank transfer. I never got my money back and the fbi never caught them either..haven't heard anything since and it's been like 4 years....they got pictures and names from the bank and stuff, but no update at all.....I am sorry to hear your lost...i know how you feel.

vw_nissan
05-15-2006, 08:58 PM
If you did it by bank transfer, they should be able to help you out by filing a report....hope you get your money back....

cc4usmc
05-15-2006, 09:11 PM
that article above is kind of trippy. Maybe its a different David? Do you know why he was arrested at the time?


nope...but i assume he was arrested for aiding them. maybe he worked at the track?

GamblerZ
05-15-2006, 09:43 PM
Here is a good place to start:

http://www.tdcanadatrust.com/

This bank should have ALL this person's information.

Just as a rule...you should NEVER, EVER, EVER, NEVER, wire money outside the U.S. for any parts, eBay, anything.

revat619
05-15-2006, 11:40 PM
Although there is a review section, i feel a situation like this warrants a sticky here.

Daniel, good luck getting your cash back bro. This totally sucks.

Jon-S14
05-16-2006, 12:30 AM
Hey I've tried to contact this guy for some parts and he never replied to me! I thought it was kinda fishy too but I just thought he didn't want to sell it to me. I live in the Vancouver area so that's why I was so interested. I msged him a few times and never recieve a msg back. After awhile i just gave up. I'd like to help you if I could, but he lives kinda far from me. Try making a post on www.vancouver240.com. Theres people from new west that will for sure be willing to help!

Sorry to hear about this and good luck!

s13coupedrfter
05-16-2006, 01:34 AM
This is why you NEVER buy a motor without having gone to the buisness location and looking at what your going to buy. Your in norcal are you not? Try motorsport dynamics. I know there's a shit load of Japanese auto recyclers in Rancho Cordova of the 50. Sorry to hear you got F'ed over.

selectivebeef
05-16-2006, 02:37 AM
hey daniel. i remember you were chatting to me about this deal. i seriously hope you get your money back. surprised i actually posted a reply? i never get to see you on aim much and thought i'd leave u a message. anyways, we should jog over that dudes face and have jerry drop bricks on it as well. THAT FUCKIN DOUCHE BAG.

smithers584
05-16-2006, 06:19 AM
hey man i found this

http://www.drifting.com/forums/showthread.php?p=184466#post184466

try getting on there, his last post was on the 8th it looks like, of may, so get on there and make sure you make him think you are someone else. then get some current info from him as far as contacting and see what you can squeeze out, do not let him know you are from Zilvia until you have everything in order, including police.

smithers584
05-16-2006, 06:26 AM
i just made an account and emailed him acting like i wanted to buy parts from him,so i will see if i can get some general info to assist you.

smithers584
05-16-2006, 06:57 AM
here is what i found for the address
http://www.yellowpages.ca/searchBusiness.do?what=&srchtype=category&street=104-1015+Columbia+St.&cityAdr=New+Westminster&provinceId=BC&postcode1=v3m&postcode2=6h6&step=find&sType=addressSearch&Se=adr&x=85&y=9

hope i can help, this really pisses me off.

Realchaos1
05-16-2006, 08:12 AM
That domain was registered under private, networksolutions has to be contacted to get the guys actual information, here's some information I found in regards to that domain:

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Domain Name: [b]SHIPNORTHAMERICA.COM[b]
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Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS2.MIRAMICHI.NET
Name Server: NS.MIRAMICHI.NET
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
EPP Status: clientDeleteProhibited
EPP Status: clientTransferProhibited
EPP Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 23-Mar-2006
Creation Date: 16-Mar-2002
Expiration Date: 16-Mar-2015

>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:09:45 EDT <<<

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Registrant:
Macdonald, Ian
ATTN: SHIPNORTHAMERICA.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA. 20172-0447

Domain Name: SHIPNORTHAMERICA.COM

Administrative Contact:
Macdonald, Ian [email protected] m
ShipNorthAmerica
ATTN: SHIPNORTHAMERICA.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA 20172-0447
570-708-8780

Technical Contact:
Simons, Martin [email protected] m
Wenex Technologies
ATTN: SHIPNORTHAMERICA.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA 20172-0447
570-708-8780

Record expires on 16-Mar-2015.
Record created on 16-Mar-2002.
Database last updated on 16-May-2006 10:10:23 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.MIRAMICHI.NET 209.200.83.220
NS2.MIRAMICHI.NET 209.200.83.33

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correspondence to this address must be sent via USPS Express Mail(TM) or
USPS Certified Mail(R); all other mail will not be processed. Be sure to
include the registrant's domain name in the address.

I believe if you mail them you can get some more info to see who the fuck he is


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correspondence to this address must be sent via USPS Express Mail(TM) or
USPS Certified Mail(R); all other mail will not be processed. Be sure to
include the registrant's domain name in the address.

Realchaos1
05-16-2006, 08:45 AM
oops delete dfafewfawef

S14DB
05-16-2006, 08:47 AM
That domain was registered under private, networksolutions has to be contacted to get the guys actual information, here's some information I found in regards to that domain:



I believe if you mail them you can get some more info to see who the fuck he is
http://shipnorthamerica.com/htmfiles/contactus.htm

I don't get where you are going with that since it's a real company that he just faked the number to.
hey man i found this

http://www.drifting.com/forums/showthread.php?p=184466#post184466

try getting on there, his last post was on the 8th it looks like, of may, so get on there and make sure you make him think you are someone else. then get some current info from him as far as contacting and see what you can squeeze out, do not let him know you are from Zilvia until you have everything in order, including police.
HEY!!! IS THIS THE SAME GUY!?

http://www.drifting.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19092

This Ruskie7 says he's in B.C.

--- > e-mail [email protected]

DONT SCARE HIM OFF!!!
Are you even reading the thread?

Realchaos1
05-16-2006, 08:52 AM
http://shipnorthamerica.com/htmfiles/contactus.htm

I don't get where you are going with that since it's a real company that he just faked the number to.


Are you even reading the thread?

He made payments to register the domain for 14 years, there has to be a contact info. edit: some kind of record, as a webdesigner, 14 years means 140$, and I'm sure domain company's don't take money orders!

HERE is another source you could probably get more information, this website is responsible for the pugfan.com email accounts:

http://www.rallye-info.com/forum.asp?boardid=12

Realchaos1
05-16-2006, 09:02 AM
mods of Zilvia, you guys have his IP with those posts he made, that IP information can be traced to his internet provider. With a law suit it can lead to information about who this guy is.

Evil240
05-16-2006, 09:35 AM
go to the bank... tell them the customer u were sending a wire to, claims to have never recieved it, and to have the money transfered back to you... if it was recent, they can still do it eventhough the customer did recieve it (as long as u tell him the beneficiary that u wanted to send it to... didnt get it) they will retrieve the wire and debit the recievers account and it will go negative.... u may need to fake a letter (the beneficiary never recieved it and wrote to you saying so).. i work for a pretty big bank...so i've actually done this b4...

so...
1. go back to the bank and try to "amend" the wire
(claim you spoke to the beneficiary and they stated that they never recieved the wire... so the person who did reviece it... was the wrong person)
2. make sure u have a letter stating that it was never recieved and signed....(however u get that.... no my business =D )
3. ur going to lose ur wire fee... but im pretty sure it still worth getting ur most of ur money back....

the best thing about wire transfers.... u always know where ur money went.. and who it went to....

hope this helped man....

Evil240
05-16-2006, 10:05 AM
i forgot to add.... for the sellers who wish to recieve wire transfers... its best to wait at least 2 weeks b4 you ship out the product, that way notify the sender, and have them fax you a copy stating what the item was for... and how much $ it was to be sent... and have them sign... much like an invoice... for the fastest and most secure.... either a cashiers check or travelers cheque's ... all are secure... just request it to be shipped over night and wait 2-3 days for clearence....

but for me.. because i work in a bank... i would always prefer cash on hand.... meet at a random place... swap goods.. and part ways...

Slidin240Wayz
05-16-2006, 06:59 PM
I wish I knew that about wire transfers a couple of years ago. Wire transfers suck ass when dealing with scammers, ARGH this is frustrating. I would definately try what evil240 said. I wish you the best with your money!

ootranceformeroo
05-16-2006, 07:02 PM
Thanks evil240. However, he has read this thread (which I dont mind) and he emailed me saying, that he read it and is concerned.

Quoted from the email,

"Have you received the engine yet?? Let me know as I'm pretty concerned about
this after reading zilvia thread. You should have e-mailed me sooner.

Dave"

I have emailed and left 3 voicemails to him which he did not respond.

Dave (ruskie7) if you are still reading this, you are welcome to defend yourself. Make a paypal account and send me the money back. If in fact that you DID send the motor, I will paypal you the money back to you once I receive the motor with intercooler.

OperationSr20
05-16-2006, 09:24 PM
I know how it is to get screwed, not to the extent as yourself but i still know the feeling. There is alot of info on here that I hope will help and I wish you Good luck. Is there a limit on here that someone must exceed in terms of posts to even post on For Sale section. I mean that is how it is on the NICO forum. I strongly edge that that be put into this server as well so stuff like this doesn happen. It works!!!

Once again I am sorry and good luck.

ootranceformeroo
05-16-2006, 09:29 PM
Thanks guys, I appriciate all of the help from everyone. More info still helps but right now Im waiting to see what Dave has to say.

CleanS14
05-16-2006, 11:36 PM
Daniel you're screwing yourself by waiting... go to the bank and take care of it... he's stalling so he can change/close his bank account. Don't kid yourself you got ripped off and are being way too nice about all of this.

CleanS14
05-16-2006, 11:36 PM
PS I had this happen to me... I'm sure you remember. So take care of it already... nobody deserves to get ripped off.

Evil240
05-17-2006, 07:47 AM
the fact that he hasnt even commented on this thread is probally enough for me to go to the bank... doesnt matter if he has emailed u or not... he can print out all the email he wants and show it to his bank, emails can be faked.... but a shipping and tracking number cant... he needs to be able to provide a shipping invoice for something that big... and also .. i believe it need to have paperwork to clear customs .... i might b wrong on that part...

silverarrow27
05-17-2006, 10:59 AM
Sorry to hear about your loss man, hope you get everything back!

ootranceformeroo
05-17-2006, 11:13 AM
thanks guys. im working on it.

s14maniac
05-17-2006, 12:25 PM
http://www.ic3.gov/ for Internet Crime Complaint Centre OR CALL:

New Westminster Police Dept. 604-517-2405
Give them the information, his name, address, phone number.

by the look of that phone number call:
Rogers Wireless at 1-877-764-3772
And try and ask for info. If that number doesnt exist with them, call:
Telus at 1-888-811-2323.
You should be able to get some info on this guy. He made the mistake on giving you a phone number that you can actually reach him at, even if the name he gave you is fake, you will be able to find out his real name and go from there. Hope this helps man.

Call RCMP tho, they might be able to help you, but try and provide them with as much information as you can.

ruskie7
05-17-2006, 05:53 PM
I figured before I'm indicted for crimes against humanity or whatever the lynch mob was shooting for I'd better reply.

I didn't scam anyone and I'm working with Daniel to get this situation resolved amicably and for the best results.

DrIvEsldEwAyS
05-17-2006, 07:26 PM
goodluck getting back the $ bro

anthony240
05-17-2006, 08:07 PM
"best results" meaning he's getting info on where the engine currently is, or he's getting his money back, right?

what happened to your phone #? disconnected for some odd reason?
what happened to the emails? never got em?

i hope for your sake this does get resolved. you already ruined your reputation and will probably never get business from Zilvia again.

good luck.

P4rD0nM3
05-17-2006, 09:33 PM
He didn't even explain why.

Evil240
05-18-2006, 07:28 AM
i mean... he doesnt really need to explain as long as the shipment was made.. .recieved and over.... once thats done... his name would b cleared..

but if i was on the other end... yea... "too little... too late" but eh.. who am i to judge... i still havent made any sales.... all i have is junk.. lol

pretzel king
05-18-2006, 10:52 AM
I'm not 100% sure where this guy lives but I'm 20 minutes from the Canadian border on the East Coast, if there is anything I can do to help don't be afraid to shoot me a PM.

drifter808
05-18-2006, 05:14 PM
so whats the verdict of this guy? did everything get worked out?

ootranceformeroo
05-18-2006, 08:05 PM
wait one more day everyone...I tihnk I have it worked out. Ill keep you guys posted.

airsoft
05-18-2006, 10:46 PM
^ You are one patient patient person.

s14maniac
05-19-2006, 10:54 AM
I figured before I'm indicted for crimes against humanity or whatever the lynch mob was shooting for I'd better reply.

I didn't scam anyone and I'm working with Daniel to get this situation resolved amicably and for the best results.

Dude dont make yourself sound like a saint here, we're all not stupid, i bet you check this topic everyday, and now you feel threatened enough taht you want to contact him and try to resolve it before you really get in big crap. I bet you were going to keep the money thinking that he is in US and your in canada and that there is really not much he can do, like i said, now you are trying to resolve it because you know that if its not done soon, law enforcements will be involved, so please save the crap and pay him back his money, i bet you never even shiped anything out.

Hksuperman4000
05-22-2006, 08:05 PM
So whats the word?

s14maniac
05-22-2006, 08:09 PM
http://www.drifting.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19564

i dont htink he will be getting it back anytime soon

ootranceformeroo
05-23-2006, 08:00 PM
that mother fucker....trying to say the motor is still available.

Im still trying to get my money back from they bank. They did a recall and its taking awhile. He probably closed his account though. We'll see i guess...

Theres a thread if the off topic section if any of you guys want to donate. No i did not set it up. A kind zilvian (siI40sx) set it up. I dont know him but if any of you would like to help me out with any kind of donation, Id appriciate it so much.

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=109773

I dont want to sound like Im begging for money or anything but it is up to you. I just want to get back on track and try to get a motor for my car. Hit 200k finally. ahah anyways my paypal address is

[email protected]

Any kind of donation will help.

NOTE: IF I DO GET THE MONEY BACK OR MOTOR (SOMEHOW), I WILL DONATE THE MONEY BACK TO ZILVIA SO THEY CAN USE IT FOR MORE BANDWIDTH OR WHATEVER THEY FEEL LIKE TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

Thanks for the help guys and Ill try and keep you posted of whats going on. Though he is a scammer. Ill be posting his account info again if anyone would like to do anything about it.

zero.counter
05-23-2006, 08:53 PM
First off I made a purchase from this guy. A large purchase (s14 sr20det and HPI FMIC). Total money sent was $2000. I payed via bank transfer thinking it was somewhat okay because I had all of his information. He gave me a tracking number once the motor was shipped out to a company called www.shipnorthamerica.com I called their company and they told me the number I was looking for was probably some company called "overnight shipping" or something like that. So I figure, the number actually does belong to a company, just probably not the company name he gave me. So its been about 2 weeks and the motor still hasnt came in (which probably won't). I talked to him on the phone maybe once or twice and left various emails and voicemails. I called his number again a few days ago (saturday) and his number is now no longer in service. So I figured Im fucked. Now Im out $2000 and a motor. Anyways, any info on this guy would help. If you live in his area, and can check out his place or soemthing for me, I'd greatly appriciate it.

Touring240 has pmed me willing to help out and if I could get anyone elses input, it would help a lot too.


Here is the information that he told me. I have his number (but no longer in service), address, and bank account number and info.


Phone: (778) 862-9050
Address:

David Lipohar
104-1015 Columbia St.
New Westminster, BC V3M 6H6

Bank Info:

edited...

If there is absolutely anything that you can do, let me know. Email me with any info you have or post up here. Thank you.

Here are the for sale threads that he put up for your reference.

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=107016
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=107725

Jay Slade or any other mods, can you make this a sticky? It would help me out a lot and would help other Zilvia members to be aware of this guy. An idea I thought about when signing up for an account would have the new member give his credit card number, SS #, address, Paypal account or anything that could help out others in an event like this. Many people have been getting scammed over Zilvia and it fuckin sucks. It's probably something that Zilvia would not do or allow because it is too personal but it's a suggestion I thought of.


-Daniel Tom
I saw this,
"Grievances
Zilvia is not a grievance forum. If you have a problem with a seller or buyer, settle it with them. If you are unable to contact them and seek further assistance, contact your (and their) local law enforcement." here, http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=21037

What makes this different or allows the issue to be discussed at length? Even so, enough to warrant the idea of a fundraiser, thereby showing the support of at least one mod openly, is not in line with the terms of rules.

I understand a good amount of money was lost, but there are other ways to convey this type of info.

"It would help me out a lot and would help other Zilvia members to be aware of this guy." This could be interpreted as an attempt to justify your cause, by conveying a feeling of care for others, at the expense of suggesting this, "An idea I thought about when signing up for an account would have the new member give his credit card number, SS #, address, Paypal account or anything that could help out others in an event like this." WTF!!! Giving out this type of info on a forum would be unacceptable to many, that is if they don't mind the forum administration having full and complete access to this info, and the possibility of it somehow leaking out. There are numerous negative outcomes of such a situation that it could end up costing West quite a bit in legal costs, in a worse case scenario...which when dealing with the younger age demographic is a very close reality.

So once again, the two points to be adressed are:
Is there a certain amount of money and/or personal relationship involved to make qualifying grievances acceptable for the forum? If so, instead of being an unspoken rule, please adjust the rules accordingly.

Would requiring the amount of information suggested by the thread starter really solve the problem? FYI, it could have been prevented with a bit of research into the credentials of the seller and such. As well as understanding your rights and international law enforcement. Never trust anyone, always prepare and arm yourself with knowledge, and take responsibility for your mistakes.

After posting this, I am expecting the same response that anyone who is not of the "collective mind", would receive. Just understand my points before making stupid responses. I have also been through a bunch of shit in my 29 years of life to speak with some wisdom.

ootranceformeroo
05-23-2006, 09:13 PM
I saw this,
"Grievances
Zilvia is not a grievance forum. If you have a problem with a seller or buyer, settle it with them. If you are unable to contact them and seek further assistance, contact your (and their) local law enforcement." here, http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=21037

What makes this different or allows the issue to be discussed at length? Even so, enough to warrant the idea of a fundraiser, thereby showing the support of at least one mod openly, is not in line with the terms of rules.

I understand a good amount of money was lost, but there are other ways to convey this type of info.

"It would help me out a lot and would help other Zilvia members to be aware of this guy." This could be interpreted as an attempt to justify your cause, by conveying a feeling of care for others, at the expense of suggesting this, "An idea I thought about when signing up for an account would have the new member give his credit card number, SS #, address, Paypal account or anything that could help out others in an event like this." WTF!!! Giving out this type of info on a forum would be unacceptable to many, that is if they don't mind the forum administration having full and complete access to this info, and the possibility of it somehow leaking out. There are numerous negative outcomes of such a situation that it could end up costing West quite a bit in legal costs, in a worse case scenario...which when dealing with the younger age demographic is a very close reality.

So once again, the two points to be adressed are:
Is there a certain amount of money and/or personal relationship involved to make qualifying grievances acceptable for the forum? If so, instead of being an unspoken rule, please adjust the rules accordingly.

Would requiring the amount of information suggested by the thread starter really solve the problem? FYI, it could have been prevented with a bit of research into the credentials of the seller and such. As well as understanding your rights and international law enforcement. Never trust anyone, always prepare and arm yourself with knowledge, and take responsibility for your mistakes.

After posting this, I am expecting the same response that anyone who is not of the "collective mind", would receive. Just understand my points before making stupid responses. I have also been through a bunch of shit in my 29 years of life to speak with some wisdom.


I understand where youre comming from. Though another mod PHILIP quoted

I will allow this to take place, Zilvia stepped up and sent me some money after I wrecked the 14, so it'd be just plain wrong of me to stand in the way of this...
Get the paypal address and post it in this thread and I am good for a couple bucks myself.

He posted this in the off topic section where a fellow zilvian (another member that I have no relation with) set up. I did not come up with the idea nor do I mind if people donate or not. If you're willing to help, then help. If not, then dont. I do not mind either way.

s14maniac
05-24-2006, 08:44 PM
give newwest rcmp a call, let them know, give them all the info, they can find this guy. Call his phone provider, they can track who has the account before, tell them its "YOUR" phone number and it was closed, they will give you some info on this guy, atleast if any, his real name. Also, try the FBI online complaint system, they track down people like this, ive heard some good stories. Most important thing, get this guy on a record with the police, so the next time he apply for a credit card to scam people through paypal, it makes it that much harder.

GamblerZ
05-25-2006, 07:14 AM
I noticed that TwinTurbo.net has become VERY proactive about scammers.

TwinTurbo.NET attacks Scammers! - April 29, 2006 09:47 PM

This has been quite a while in coming but we finally got it done! Due to the increase in members being scammed over the past year or so by worthless people who only come here to scam through classifieds, and because lots of people can't pass on a deal that's too good to be true even if the seller has only had an account for the last 6 minutes, we have put posting restrictions in Classifieds.

Anyone who wants to post in classifieds must have an active account for at least 30 days and have 500 hits. These restrictions are fully configurable by us but this seems like a reasonable starting point. While this does exclude well-meaning new members that have valid things for sale, as they say, one rotten apple spoils the whole bunch.

Hopefully this will put a stop to the blatant scams going on in Classifieds. As always if you think something looks to good to be true, stop, pull your head out of your butt, and move on.

RoscoYoungno13
05-29-2006, 02:03 PM
I'm not 100% sure where this guy lives but I'm 20 minutes from the Canadian border on the East Coast, if there is anything I can do to help don't be afraid to shoot me a PM.
And you owe me 1500 bucks. Don't believe a thing this man says....

ANYWHO, any update on the situation? I got scammed before so I'd like to know how this turns out.

ootranceformeroo
05-29-2006, 08:24 PM
we'll, im sure hes gone by now. hes not answering emails and stuff. I did a recall on the money transfer and the bank said theyd do it. Went back about 4 days after (they said it would take 48hrs) and now theyre awaiting some approval.

Im sure he closed his account. If anyone that said they lived close to him and want to check out the place for me, see if its really him, or he has the motor or whatever, it would help. Just PM me all of the info. Thanks guys. This sucks still....

s14maniac
05-30-2006, 02:18 PM
did u do what i ask you to? did you call westminister police?? did u call his phone provider? did u file a report on the FBI website?? if your just sitting there waiting for the bank, its not going to work.

Evil240
06-02-2006, 12:20 AM
if the guy was stupid enough to close the account after he recieved the money.. then yeah.. it will work... it looks fishey when you recieve a wire and then close out your account right away...

i've done this for customers many of times.. even if the recieving party closed out their account... the sender still has 30-60 day to amend the wire... in which they will debit the recieving banks GL account.... its now just up to the recieving bank to see if they will just absorb the lost funds ($2000) is not much to the bank.... or press charges and locate the original accountholder....

my bank as a whole, takes a $3million lost every year from fraud... with so much information needed to open accounts these days (after the 9/11 incident)... its pretty damn hard to commit fraud on a new account... the majority of all fraud cases that slip through... are ones with prior history in the bank... dunno if this helps in any way to anyone...

supportTHEezln
06-07-2006, 02:31 PM
Geez, what kind of person would go through all this trouble to scam someone out of $2000? I mean, it sucks real bad for you, but it seems like it wouldn't be worth it for him, ya know? Anyway, hope you get your money back and he gets fucked.

ootranceformeroo
06-07-2006, 06:32 PM
Thanks guys. I have contacted authorities and let this David guy know that but I guess he doesnt care. He hasn't replied to the emails. Thats his call though.

Evil240
06-08-2006, 02:13 PM
have u recieved your funds back yet?

ootranceformeroo
06-08-2006, 08:22 PM
nope. nothing.

drifter808
06-08-2006, 10:31 PM
have many people been donating to the help you out fund?

ootranceformeroo
06-09-2006, 09:27 AM
have many people been donating to the help you out fund?


haha zero. but its okay, I didnt expect anything from anyone really but if you want to, you're more than welcome. :bigok:

Im still trying to save up for another motor so we'll see hot long that takes.

xxchurroxx
06-10-2006, 11:24 AM
talk to some of the guys at www.northwestnissans.com or www.vancouver240.com. i'm sure that there are plenty that are from that same area that would be willing to help u out.

Dream240
06-14-2006, 12:15 PM
All I can say is wow.....

This guy really took you to the bank. In my years here at Zilvia I've seen quite a few of these unfortunate losers who invade our community just to make a quick buck. Really I hope young Zilvians and young people in general can learn from threads like these. The lesson....NEVER make large money transactions without some solid background verification from the seller!!

This is a sad story and I'm sorry for your loss but really all you can do is smack yourself in the face and learn from it. I would suggest from now on all your big $$ purchases are made from reputable sellers and websites, not Billy Bob Canada. But I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that.

Hope you get your SR soon, one way or another.

Good luck.

s14maniac
06-16-2006, 02:23 PM
bs, like xxchurroxx said, go to those websites, post his info.

MikeisNissan
06-17-2006, 05:58 PM
damn i got scammed by a guy named Aaron Alexander for some Bride Brix II seats (860.00) been almost 2 months now, filed on IC3, he lives in California, he responds to emails now and then stating promises of a refund, but yet still nothing ..

s14a
06-18-2006, 11:00 PM
damn that sucks man. if it was my 2g's i would have been on a trip to canada. u know the police and the bank are jus one call away. the only thing is its up to YOU to get your hard earned money back. keep calling both and i learned to ALWAYS get the names of ppl u talked to and aim high. managers, zone managers, and regional managers have magical powers when it comes to customer service. i hope u get this bitch and once again sry bout your loss man and dont be so damn chill about it, fuck that guy

hammer01
06-20-2006, 12:49 PM
Try these (http://www.trollhunters.com/) guys, they are helpful and knowledgeable regarding these matters. I recommend blade as he has been at this the longest.

ootranceformeroo
06-20-2006, 11:34 PM
Try these (http://www.trollhunters.com/) guys, they are helpful and knowledgeable regarding these matters. I recommend blade as he has been at this the longest.


Cool man, Ill check it out and contact one of them to see what they say. Thanks bro.

Po28
07-03-2006, 01:28 PM
isn't waiting 2 weeks for a engine not that long? doesn't the shipping take longer or no? i don't know..

ootranceformeroo
07-04-2006, 04:20 PM
isn't waiting 2 weeks for a engine not that long? doesn't the shipping take longer or no? i don't know..


naw man...its been over a month bro. never responded to emails etc etc.

blu2fourty
07-28-2006, 11:44 PM
any word about what happened? i was about to do a big purchase till i saw the the name and address of the seller that your having bad experience and matched up. he is selling items at nico and want to know if he is legit.

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=181916&page=1

thanks,
jon

ootranceformeroo
07-29-2006, 01:28 AM
no its not legit so do not buy from him. he tried selling the same parts saying the motor was still available on drifting.com after i had paid him the money.

Lucidsnow
07-29-2006, 09:53 PM
he never stated ANY real info about him..... no real PHONE # no real ADDRESS... hes full of scams.... dont even know if his name is REAL..... anyways i was going to buy something from him... thanks for posting this up as a notice... saved me the direct bank wire..... once u get a secure legit info about him... aka how u paid him? then i would have bought 200$ ticket and fly there and get things delt with!

BoLLeH
09-20-2006, 12:26 AM
Hahaha you paid via wire transfer! That is hilarious.

ootranceformeroo
09-20-2006, 10:28 AM
Hahaha you paid via wire transfer! That is hilarious.


and the point of that post was...?

SRfairladyZ
10-04-2006, 11:11 AM
hey man, sorry for the loss, has anything come out of this or is this scumbag still mia? I freaking HATE theives man! My friend got scammed out of $1400 tein suspension on ebay from a store called 24ibuy.com They left a neg feedback on hIS account explaining how it was they're fault and would send a refund, 6 months later, still no refund or product or any comunication whats so ever. He is contacting a lawer now. Hope things turn around for you.

Station2Station
11-06-2006, 09:27 PM
I realized this thread hasnt been used for a month, but im really disturbed and wanted to know had anything positive happenned?

ootranceformeroo
11-06-2006, 10:06 PM
I wish I could say something has but nothing has happened...
saved up for another motor. installed it and it wont start. kinda sucks and so far I cant figure out what it is.

integr97
11-07-2006, 12:13 PM
Sorry to hear about your loss.

But $2000 for a S14 motor and intercooler....Hes in BC and your in Norcal, wire payment only, RED FLAG right of way!

A. Fujimori
12-09-2006, 07:10 PM
karma will get him

ootranceformeroo
12-10-2006, 04:05 AM
Lets hope so...

240love
12-28-2006, 07:25 PM
i got scammed by a jake johnson for 300 dollars...but ill get my money back one way or the other

Mathetai
12-29-2006, 12:11 AM
Sorry to hear about your loss.

But $2000 for a S14 motor and intercooler....Hes in BC and your in Norcal, wire payment only, RED FLAG right of way!

Word!

Sorry to hear about that. I made a similar mistake as well. This happens way to often and these people make lots of money using this scam.

evilways
01-28-2007, 12:14 PM
Hate to have to tell you but there is absolutely nothing you can do!! Basiclly you got f"d out of your hard earned dough! Basiclly because he's across the boarder. Your local police wont do anything, nor will his. They'll say its a civil matter. they'l tell you to file a fbi complaint for internet thieft which basiclly means nothing unless alot of other people complained as well.

Gilboyto
02-05-2007, 09:40 PM
I wish the mods woulda helped me out or made ours a sticky or something like that about the dude that scammed three of us out of stuff....Oh well what can ya do.

Sorry to hear what happend. Im sure something is bound to go his way for this.

1995s14
03-19-2007, 01:36 PM
Thats not as bad as what happened to me. This kid got my name and all my info and ripped a bunch of people off on some forum then I had to pay them for what they sent him to some property with no house on it and report it to the fbi and i still havent heard anything back. then i moved with my wife and daughter to florida and helped a guy at his buisness building engines etc.. and he scewed me over and stole my stuff. sometimes life sucks.

Bowlsclubboy
06-25-2007, 04:11 AM
heres our friend again...

http://myworld.ebay.com.au/greendriftrace
he ripped me off $1100AUD with this http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300115728779&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:AU:1
and apparently $1100US from another guy for some imaginary coilovers. He then left the guy neg feedback and promptly closed his account.
Hope he ends up in a ditch on the side of the road really...someone will fuck him up. What pissed me off is that you dont even know someones real name on ebay until you start to file a complaint with paypal. If i had have known his name i could have googled him much sooner and found this thread.
Thanks guys, without finding zilvia i would still be waiting for something to show up that never will :(
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