OK, so before I break down and buy overfenders...(fender pullers look here!)

[Siizzzoooo]

I really would like to hear your opinions on if a really GOOD pull in combination with a little more camber would work.

In this test fit, i just wanted to get an idea on how much i would needed to pull in order to make them work. The following picture shows the suspension not fully settled from jacking it up, so camber is not so negative. :ugh:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b260/sizzo2/IMG_0125.jpg

Please stick to the topic :coolugh:

i can already see the flames goin :hsdance:

any tips or suggestions would be appreciated!

[Red Square]

pull/lift to the max around 25mm (paint will crack alittle). some smaller tires. and about -3.2 camber. it should fit. seen it done before.

[speedfiend]

What size rims are those? I personally have the 17X10 +12 in the rear with a fender pull. Not sure exactly how many mm its pulled but I'm sure it is close to if not more than 25mm and am positive I can pull it further without the annoying dent at the top of the fender. It's only running about -1.5 camber and the fender has been pulled as far down as I'd like. Anyways here is a pic just for an idea and yes I used a heat gun and the paint still cracked.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1060738/Picture060sm.JPG

[Siizzzoooo]

the rear rims are 18x10.5 -26mm on 265/35 tires, yeah i know the tires are huge

I was somewhat encouraged to do a pull when I saw NI_YON_Zenki's car

he's running a 18x10 -20mm, so i figured we're pretty damn close in wheel specs, but he's also running a 235/40 tire :ugh:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/Busted_lips/lip.jpg

[Ritz S14]

Do NOT pull your fenders like that. At least, not to the point where it looks like gravel.

IMO your car is too clean to be pulling and possibly damaging your quater panel; to get those wheels w/ that tire combo to fit.

[go240]

big pulls like that are hard to make look nice. when we rolled and pulled my s13 the spot welds on the rear fenders started to make wrinkles

[supportTHEezln]

well since you are considering some sort of wide fender...might as well try pulling it first, if it doesn't work out, go wide fender.

[TheTimanator]

well since you are considering some sort of wide fender...might as well try pulling it first, if it doesn't work out, go wide fender.
Agreed. As long as your DEAD SET on getting these wheels to fit. Know what I mean? There is no turning back once you've pulled your fenders/screwed them up/gone wide body or whatever.

But even if it doesn't work...you have 2 more S14's to try again on :tweak: :)

[Johny5]

why do you people think its cool to buy insanely low offset wheels and NOT know what you're doing? pulling your fenders will look about as bad as that jdm aero you overpaid for. widebody/real aero/lose the goddamn oem spoiler please. that car has a lot of work ahead of it :\

[ootranceformeroo]

go wide fenders. or if you want that pulled look, get fender flares and mold them in. imo pulled that much does not look good.

[NemeGuero]

Jeeeeezzzussss, a 235 on a 10 is a sad sad day for that much rim...

Don't pull that much mang, ditch the rims for better offsets/sizes.

And +1 for losing the OEM spoiler. :)

[KwKouki]

Siz - honestly I think the wheels are a bit too extreme for your zenki. Its too clean for such a major offset. If you are gonna stick with them, go with overfenders.

[Edgar]

why do you people think its cool to buy insanely low offset wheels and NOT know what you're doing? pulling your fenders will look about as bad as that jdm aero you overpaid for. widebody/real aero/lose the goddamn oem spoiler please. that car has a lot of work ahead of it :\


I would listen to J5 he does have a good point and also has one of the coolest S14's around.

Aero :) :bigok:

[KwKouki]

why do you people think its cool to buy insanely low offset wheels and NOT know what you're doing? pulling your fenders will look about as bad as that jdm aero you overpaid for. widebody/real aero/lose the goddamn oem spoiler please. that car has a lot of work ahead of it :\

that was a little bit of pussyhurt dont you think? I mean c'mon, not everyone wants their car to look like a rabid snowplow with a kit that EVERYONE on earth has. calm down, take 2 of these and call me in the morning :keke:

[Johny5]

sorry broham, i don't use aero everyone on earth has nor do i like it. version select s14 kits can take the dirtnap for all i care. but you're trying to mix two themes with this car....

-hardcore
-subtle daily driver jdm aero

they'll never go well together, the cars gonna end up looking...not so fresh.

[Dousan_PG]

werd up johnny
he knwos it
read up before all this madness

go wide fenders
unless you get a body shop to pull yours it will look like ni_yons..which look like complete shit in person. yeah ive seen it. pulled w/ a fork.

[ootranceformeroo]

aero is a must and widefenders or sell the wheels and get something less aggressive.

[Ritz S14]

Been there done that... hahaha

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/smogtech/1516.jpg

Looks funk? Yes!

People will snatch up the oem stuff in notime!! Just get wide fender, or sell the wheels.. it wont look right at all.

[KwKouki]

sorry broham, i don't use aero everyone on earth has nor do i like it. version select s14 kits can take the dirtnap for all i care. but you're trying to mix two themes with this car....

-hardcore
-subtle daily driver jdm aero

they'll never go well together, the cars gonna end up looking...not so fresh.

thats the point I was trying to make in my first reply. Kind of like a roid monster with big nuts......aint gonna happen :loco:

[upSLIDEdown]

I personally think you could pull it enough to make them fit, but you'll definitely need some bondo work to smooth it out when it's done. That car is gorgeous, and I'm assuming you don't wanna have to do any paint work on it. If you don't mind that, I think you could pull it, but you'd definitely need like a 245 tire on it, and at least 3.5 degrees of camber, if not more. I honestly don't think the fronts are aggressive enough though, in comparison. Should have gone with something like 9/10 0 offset. Like was posted above though, if you're DEFINITELY gonna make them work, you can always try pulling the fuck out of it and seeing if you can get em under there. If not, you'll need overfenders anyway, and you'll have to cut the quarters up when you put them on, so what the hell.

[HyperTek]

stock front fenders
http://myspace-151.vo.llnwd.net/00324/15/17/324127151_l.jpg
pull for function.. what works what works.. aint gotta be perfect, this aint no "full aero superdrop track only " car, this is a street whip.. where pot holes, drive ways, and bird shit exsist everyday.

[Touring240]

How much do they stick out in that pic?
I feel your pain. I have some wheels that stuck out 40mm when I bought them. After 20mm pull, camber, stretching, fitment is better but still a little poke. I'm happy.

On my SC,
2 deg neg camber = 5mm that the top of the wheel moves inward

As was said, get an overfender because huge pulls look really bad. They are pretty cheap too unlike the ones for my car.

[Slidin240Wayz]

Pull it, use a torch to heat the fender; no paint chips will occur and it will be easier to pull and it will be smoother.

[NemeGuero]

yah but that's still hella too much to pull

[Nan Desu Ka?!]

Ill be doing something similar, only not as crazy. 15 X 8 0offset, im going to pulling on my s13. Its about a 15 or so mm. pull if im not mistaken. I say try for the pull. go slow, use a heat gun. If it dont work you can do one of 2 things:

1. cut off shitty pull job, add fenderflares
2. wide fenders.

/$0.02

[s14xman]

i would just do fender flares if i were you, like the ones on chmercer's car those are so hot.

[lilredstiffy]

Ill be doing something similar, only not as crazy. 15 X 8 0offset, im going to pulling on my s13. Its about a 15 or so mm. pull if im not mistaken. I say try for the pull. go slow, use a heat gun. If it dont work you can do one of 2 things:

1. cut off shitty pull job, add fenderflares
2. wide fenders.

/$0.02

or the 3rd option

3. buy different wheels

15x8 with need-a-fender-pull offset is nuts! I mean- if your fenders are pulled for wheel fitment you pretty much need aero of some type to avoid that muscle car look- and aero with 15s???

And original red s14 poster- there is no way you will pull those fenders enough and any efforts will look like ass. Just too much. Overfenders are the ticket

[bing]

seen too many people buckle their fenders doing agressive pulls, i was pretty cautious when i rolled mine and opted for camber adjustment and raising the ride height a few mm rather than the gangsta roll

if you guys want fender flares i have several sets here and i'd love to get them on a bunch of cars. i was going to do it myself but wussed out. Sizzoo i sent you a pm already.

tons of dudes have got them from me but i dont have any decent pics mounted on cars for the site. they are identical to the flares JDM rice has on his S13... see clearcorners.com for the famous pics

[axiomatik]

get overfenders and run a 295 or 305 tire in the rear so it doesn't look like a balloon.

[BlackSilEighty]

How hard would it be to just sell the rear ones and get a "not-so-huge" pair? If there is something available that is maybe one inch or so wider than those fronts.

[Siizzzoooo]

A few months wait.

The fronts are a perfect 18x9 +0

[BlackSilEighty]

Why such a wide wheel? Are you planning a KA-T build up? Everyone has allways told me not to go above an 8 inch wide wheel in the front. Otherwise it will handle like ass, but what do I know. The widest wheels I ever had were 15x7.5" -1. and they stuck out from the fenders about 1/2 inch.

[Dousan_PG]

hahahahha
everyone who told you should be shot

[blackflag_Rms13]

Ya seriously, 8" in the front? Thats pussy shit...

Don't try a pull, you won't be satsfied. Get some flares or overfenders. If you're going to pull it, PLEASE use a fender roller and bat/pipe/etc. Bat's and shit are effective fro a mild 15mm pull or so, but would be annoying as fuck to do a pull like yours and you'll end up with gangly ass fenders. $300 isn't very expensive, I think you should just go but some flares/overfenders.

[McRussellPants]

Why such a wide wheel? Are you planning a KA-T build up? Everyone has allways told me not to go above an 8 inch wide wheel in the front. Otherwise it will handle like ass.

:ugh:


Take a wack at pulling it.

If you rip your inner tub like MA Matt you should be able to get the pull you need without a mega dent.

Just make sure to weld it up so your chassis rigidity doesnt go out the windo.

[chmercer]

bro to pull this the amount you need, your gonna need to seperate the inner and outer skin, otherwise the metal wont come out. dont get a different sized rear. that would be crazy weak.

the fender lip that most people roll up, there is body glue in there that holds the unibody together, you need to cut out the lip with a grinding wheel, cut as much out as you can without cutting into the exterior fender. like cut it hella close to the edge, you are trying to remove as much glue as possible. at this point, just roll the fenders like normal. they will be much less rigid than previous with the glue removed, and they will come out way further and with much less effort. roll it where you want it, if you go super slow with it you shouldnt have to repaint, but you might have to anyway.

LMK if any of that didnt make sense

if you fuck it up then whatever, stick some overfenders on top.

[Nan Desu Ka?!]

bro to pull this the amount you need, your gonna need to seperate the inner and outer skin, otherwise the metal wont come out. dont get a different sized rear. that would be crazy weak.

the fender lip that most people roll up, there is body glue in there that holds the unibody together, you need to cut out the lip with a grinding wheel, cut as much out as you can without cutting into the exterior fender. like cut it hella close to the edge, you are trying to remove as much glue as possible. at this point, just roll the fenders like normal. they will be much less rigid than previous with the glue removed, and they will come out way further and with much less effort. roll it where you want it, if you go super slow with it you shouldnt have to repaint, but you might have to anyway.

LMK if any of that didnt make sense

if you fuck it up then whatever, stick some overfenders on top.
Perfect!

I totally agree... You wouldnt happen to have a pic of the seam you are talking about would you chmercer?? Sounds like thats what i might have to do. Thanks in advance.

[blackflag_Rms13]

Ya I'd trust chmercer on the wheel fitment shit...

[chmercer]

Perfect!

I totally agree... You wouldnt happen to have a pic of the seam you are talking about would you chmercer?? Sounds like thats what i might have to do. Thanks in advance.

the seam is the lip part that most people just roll up and mash into the back side of the fender

PS if you do that method you will want to weld the metal back together from the inside or you will loose a lot of rear rigidity.

here is a pic of somthing similar to what im talking about
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5972/hg50part03115ho.jpg
wasnt done with roller most likley body hammers etc. as the metal work is slightly choppy in this pic but it shows how far you can go once you seperate the rear seam.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Hey chmercer, once you seperate the metal, wouldnt it make the outer more prone to flexing since its a single sheet metal at that point? Wouldnt it start rolling like the front fenders? I just said fook it on mine and just used bondo to smooth out the spots where the fender flexed back in...

17x10 +10 all around with 8mm spacers in front to clear MR coils
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10017/normal_Pxr3%20139%7E1.jpg

[chmercer]

yeah it would flex around a lot if you didnt weld it back

[Team Rootbeer]

ive had an idea in my head, and this sounds like the appropriate thread to let it out.........i was thinking....why not go cut out the rim of the fender of some old junk car, like something found at a junkyard that has a "flare" already in the fender.....and then cut your quarter for extra clearance like you would for overfenders, then weld on that peice you cut out....walla, perfect flare, with the look of a clean pull, and no bending and stretching metal or cutting into seam sealers and losing rigidity, much cleaner!

like this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/teamslideshow/51_1.jpg

or a fender similar to this.......i can elaborate more if need be.....ive had this going in my head forever

[NemeGuero]

I think his are wider than yours Ray, plus I think his are a bit too much for that much of a stretch...

Downsize the offsets homie...

[BlackSilEighty]

ive had an idea in my head, and this sounds like the appropriate thread to let it out.........i was thinking....why not go cut out the rim of the fender of some old junk car, like something found at a junkyard that has a "flare" already in the fender.....and then cut your quarter for extra clearance like you would for overfenders, then weld on that peice you cut out....walla, perfect flare, with the look of a clean pull, and no bending and stretching metal or cutting into seam sealers and losing rigidity, much cleaner!

like this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/teamslideshow/51_1.jpg

or a fender similar to this.......i can elaborate more if need be.....ive had this going in my head forever

Knowing the junk yards around here they'd make you buy half the car and charge you out the ass.

[Johny5]

charlie you're not speaking english to most of these people haha. fliprayzin, get widebody or some real wheels bro, you overpulled like a motherfucker!

[chmercer]

ive had an idea in my head, and this sounds like the appropriate thread to let it out.........i was thinking....why not go cut out the rim of the fender of some old junk car, like something found at a junkyard that has a "flare" already in the fender.....and then cut your quarter for extra clearance like you would for overfenders, then weld on that peice you cut out....walla, perfect flare, with the look of a clean pull, and no bending and stretching metal or cutting into seam sealers and losing rigidity, much cleaner!

like this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/teamslideshow/51_1.jpg

or a fender similar to this.......i can elaborate more if need be.....ive had this going in my head forever

uhh if you put a flare over the fender you have to cut the fender out anyway so you will still ahve to cut out the body glue and rivet/weld it back together.........

[fliprayzin240sx]

Yah i know...somebody came out with the idea of cutting "slots" into the inner fenders. Since you rolled fenders before...im pretty sure you know wut would happen to those slots when you do massive pull jobs like this. Oh yah I test fitted my roomies rims tonite...ill post pix tomorrow when theres more light. These bitches filled up the rear fenders perfect so now I know wut size rims im running in the rear when i buy my next set of rims....

[revat619]

Wide fenders WITHOUT A DOUBT.

I have 18x10.5 + 10 and its a pretty decent pull, but my wheels didnt stick out neeeearly as much as yours do before i did the pull. You're at negative offsets and the same width. It WILL NOT look right with a pull.

IMO, you should either...

A) Get wide fenders and aero and make the wheels fit.

or

B) Sell the wheels and get something less aggressive and keep the clean look.

Done and done.

[chmercer]

clean look is lame look. deep dish wins every time!! try to pull them, if it sucks get overs

[Red Square]

dish rims are wack and played out. everyone wants big dish now. people think dish correlates with penis size.

[fliprayzin240sx]

dish rims are wack and played out. everyone wants big dish now. people think dish correlates with penis size.

Its all good, its still something that most cars out there cant pull on their own...:keke:

[Team Rootbeer]

uhh if you put a flare over the fender you have to cut the fender out anyway so you will still ahve to cut out the body glue and rivet/weld it back together.........

true......maybe if you only cut a little? im not sure, so i shouldnt be talking.....

get overfenders and aggresive kit.......

[NI_YON_Zenki]

dish rims are wack and played out. everyone wants big dish now. people think dish correlates with penis size.


It's official. .. .

This is thee DUMBEST shit I've ever heard. .. .

Busted_Lips is not amused.

you need not speak on penis size here unless you can prove fact to this aligation. .. .The only kats on this forum who honestly have Busted_Lips (staggered) are the ones who wouldn't even bother responding to this, but hey I'm the faded one coming home from a beautiful night at the club

BOoty BoOty Booty BooTY droppin everywhere ! ! !

Yeah, then I come across this. Just. .. .WTF man, why?

wait till you see one of our cars in person, then start speaking that shit to one of us. .. .well, I speak for myself right now, but for the others who retain staggered wheels and take the time to make this shit look right. .. .Time is taken in what we choose, we don't run out & say "Hey gimme dem shinny wheeos I can exercise my pet chiuwawas in!" perfect! the'll love these!

I can't wait till the season comes in. .. .

I'm bringing her back out, Go get her detailed, drop some ass on these little ones out here!:bigok:

_Done

(P/S; Siiizzooooooo. Good luck with all this once again. I hope to catch you one day at an event that promotes the grassroots enthusiasm of all this. .. .Overfenders are well worth the investment

"Just get to the point on the hill"

[spools14]

dish rims are wack and played out. everyone wants big dish now. people think dish correlates with penis size.


It's funny how offended people get when other people have something they can't afford. :keke:

[FaLKoN240]

It's funny how offended people get when other people have something they can't afford. :keke:

I bet his car looks better than yours.

[Dousan_PG]

red square=ildorifto
nice kouki, hard parker, nitekids' buddy. his car (req square) i thought had some lipped wheels also
maybe his lips are too small?
i know dorifto_pg's equip lips make his look like ROTAS
:p

lipped wheels are cool. i have some. just gotta ship them home.
i prefer dish myself, but lip does catch eyes.


ni_yon, u gonna track ur car one day again or just take pics? whats up.

[spools14]

I bet his car looks better than yours.

I bet i don't care. Just making an observation.. there are obviously some insecurities there...

EDIT:

red square=ildorifto
nice kouki, hard parker, nitekids' buddy.

Ahhh that makes more sence now...

[fliprayzin240sx]

Test fitted my roomies AMEs since hes still waiting for this 5 lug hubs...Now I know how to fill this rear fenders up!!!
18x9 +5 front 18x10 -7 rears

Before with the FNs
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10017/normal_Pxr3%20139%7E1.jpg

Now AMEs...
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10017/normal_Rims%20002.jpg
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10017/normal_Rims%20004.jpg
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10017/normal_Rims%20005.jpg
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10017/normal_Rims%20001%7E0.jpg

Now I regret not buying these suckas....oh yah HEY JOSH..rims look FAMILIAR?!?!

[BlackSilEighty]

^ I think this may be the only case that I like the FNs better.

[DoriftoSlut]

The only way I think this will work (to the original poster and his 18x10.5 -26) is either custom metal work or like Boxy said, custom pull, smoothed out later by bodywork filling smoothing and sanding.

Reason being is that in my experience, most FRP wide 1/4 panels will not clear those things. My wheels are 18x10.5 -10 and my +50mms barely clear them with a bunch of camber.


I mean unless you keep the car at a 4x4 ride height, I don't see a 50mm fender fitting your -26. Its a 16mm difference from my car, and my fenders are pushed out a lot to bubble them over the tyre so its still flush, but i can dump the car (no fucking lame ass 4x4 shit man, that's so retarded).

[drift into a curb]

^^ S14 fenders are a bit wider than s13. He may be able to squeeze it out by flexing/bowing the FRP fenders like chmercer does.. I'd say do the FRP quarter panels. Pulling it that much makes it look ghetto.

[chmercer]

yeah it would be no sweat to fit with frp fenders, my wheels stick out 13mm more than thoes and i could bow them out wider. s14 is a little bigger than s13, also i think the general shape of the fenders is more condusive to stretching them. s13s kindof have a box type thing going on on the top of the fenders that is usally extended outward with the overs, like a ledge or somthing. s14 overs just like roll down the side of the fender and are nice and roundy

[fliprayzin240sx]

Hey Chmercer, wut fenders are you running all around? I think it would also come down to who makes the fenders. I mean some company can claim 50mm fenders and have slight imperfections...

[chmercer]

im using version select fenders, i think they were advertised as 30mms, i think they are at like 80mm right now, lol. but yeah i imagine you could do the same with d max origin whatever. b magic might be a little tricky because b magic uses thick ass fiberglass, dosent like to bend

front im using s30 flares

[fliprayzin240sx]

Yah my roomie just got his AIT rear bumper, that shiet is THICK. That shiet touches anything, its not gonna flex, shiet will shatter...If fitted and all for the most part (pretty much fitted how Vers select did on my car) only thing is it looked like they used 4895728904759 patches of fiberglass to make the bumper instead of it being smooth/seemless on the inside like most kits ive seen.

[gorgasm]

Sell your wheels.
or
Get wide fenders/aero

[Realchaos1]

are those stagered rims or did you just slap on spacers? http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/215146-Vomit.gif I agree with everyone, flare that bitch!

[Siizzzoooo]

I bought some Origin/V:S rear over fenders from Josh at Auto RnD

:cool:

[nismoWhore]

I bought some Origin/V:S rear over fenders from Josh at Auto RnD

:cool:

sweet cant wait to see pics when its all done :2f2f:

[McRussellPants]

I found this searching Crazy-Max.

http://www004.upp.so-net.ne.jp/crazy-max/808-5.htm

And Heres the legit body shop pull from Maruta Goya

http://homepage3.nifty.com/marutagoya/konngetuibento.htm


I like metal fenders more than overs, I'm trying to figure out how to pull mine without ending up with that stupid 45 degree bend that everyone who does it with a fender roller gets.

[TokyoNights]

I'm trying to figure out how to pull mine without ending up with that stupid 45 degree bend that everyone who does it with a fender roller gets.
thats how mine is
did it back when running negative offset 15s
I hate it :-/

[Touring240]

Sooo how many mm were the rear sticking out?

Around 50-60hrs of labor can get you there. This is a 20mm pull on my SC.
(Older pics, machining and more camber has been added since these were taken)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v469/Touring240/Lexus%20SC400/DSCF1287.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v469/Touring240/Lexus%20SC400/DSCF1645.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v469/Touring240/Lexus%20SC400/DSCF1646.jpg

[Johny5]

damn fucking clean pull

[McRussellPants]

Yeah, I've been working on my rears today. I'd say it ended up about halfway between the Jspec or Maruta body shop pulls I posted and the normal 45 degree fender roller stuff.

Basically I heated up the inner skin and hammered it parralel with the outter skin all the way up to the body crease.

Then I rolled the fender out about 10mm with the roller to the normal curve out to 45 degree style.

Then I moved the roller as high up as possible (about 1/4th above the crease) and went at it for a while, and moved it down until everything was farily straight (also with a little help from a 5lb mini sledge). It still has a little of the curve out at the bottom, but not enough for me to care.

Then I widened everything out and tryed to fade it... and widened the bottom some more.

Its gonna need some filler to look spot on, but overall its good enough for me. One spot had a rock or something stuck in between the skins so I have to fiddle with that. and a couple hammer marks for me to mess with.

I'll get pics of it in rocky road status tommorow, it ended up being about >20 <30mm more than stock.

PS, that SC pull is nice.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Imma have to pull my roomies rears sometime this wk as soon as he gets his rotors for his 5 lugs. Stuffing 18x10 -7mm in the rear, trying to get the fenders wide enough that he wont have to run some stupid amount of offset. So my question is, on a S14, with those rims, would i be better off cutting/seperating the inner fender from the outer or should i roll and pull em together?

[theicecreamdan]

Imma have to pull my roomies rears sometime this wk as soon as he gets his rotors for his 5 lugs. Stuffing 18x10 -7mm in the rear, trying to get the fenders wide enough that he wont have to run some stupid amount of offset. So my question is, on a S14, with those rims, would i be better off cutting/seperating the inner fender from the outer or should i roll and pull em together?

do you mean camber there? you need to be pinked longer for posting while tired.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Errr...yah....shiet camber...pinkvilles getting to me....I swear i proofread that atleast twice before i clicked post. Sucks not having power to edit posts