Sharkstar Rims

[HootAuto]

Would anyone ever be interested in replicas of old school wheels like the Shark Stars, Formula Stars, Advan A3A's, etc.?

Just kinda guaging interest, I have always loved the look of the old skool rims, and thought it would be cool if someone started making replicas of hard to find rims, and in the case of the A3A's, impossible.

[aa87]

If they are strong, wide, good offsetted, well priced, then i dont see why they wouldnt sell.

[ai_jo]

old school 5lug would be nice

[P4rD0nM3]

Hey man, if you are going to start that stuff, I'd buy from you...as long as they're rota cheap...lol.

[HootAuto]

Yeah, I am thinking about doing it, I'm a fag for old skool rims and I would love some for cheap, maybe some new old skool designs......

[Pank]

old school design, new school sizes, and you'll make bank

[ayuaddict]

equip 01s and 03s, advan onis, maybe a 15/16x8+ watanabe knock off, since the konig rewinds only come in 15x7

[musikjunkie]

many corolla guys would like this deal too if they know about this.. i would get some for the 240 and cressida

[HootAuto]

I've got them in the process, let me know anything else you guys would want to see, I'm taking any suggestions......all suggestions

[HootAuto]

Hey aa87, you still want an intercooler? Let me know, I'll hook you up with a good price...

[kazuo]

4 lug, good sizes, 9" wheels and its on like Donkey Kong.

First candidates: SSR MkI-III

woo woo

[Pank]

many corolla guys would like this deal too if they know about this.. i would get some for the 240 and cressida

this is the exact car combo i'll be having in a few months. PM me abt your cressy, i've got some questions if thats ok

[Gnnr]

Keep the weight under 20lbs and you'll be golden.

[HootAuto]

they would definately have to be light, what sizes would you guys want??

[Rittmeister]

Watanabe replica

16x8, +25 or so, FOUR LUG.

My $.02

[musikjunkie]

ssr mk ii and iii's replicas would rock maybe either 15 or 16 but with 8 or bigger as for the width as for offsets it would be nice to have it low like below 20 is good

[Ricks15]

if you guys do somethig similar to the starshark be sure to make some rims white. that ill be sick old school.

[HootAuto]

Rick, that's what I'm talkin about! Either way, you guys know anyone with some manufacturing equipment so I can start making this stuff? They will probably be made to order to start, but still not expensive....

[ayuaddict]

15+x 8+ less than 10 offset

[kazuo]

Wats... meh

you can buy Konig or whatever.

Make SSR MkI-III copies.

At LEAST 8", +20 or lower

8" +20 / 8" +10 / 8" +0
9" +20 / 9" +10 / 9" +0

4x114 and/or 5x114

I'd buy some of the MkIII's FA SHO if you made them in 9" +20.

Just make sure they don't weigh a ton.

[EchoOfSilence]

i'd be down for starsharks. hell yeah.

16's or 17's 9" +20 or 8" +10. no tire stretching for me!
4 lug.

hell yes.

[Cronic]

Wats... meh

you can buy Konig or whatever.

Make SSR MkI-III copies.

At LEAST 8", +20 or lower

8" +20 / 8" +10 / 8" +0
9" +20 / 9" +10 / 9" +0

4x114 and/or 5x114

I'd buy some of the MkIII's FA SHO if you made them in 9" +20.

Just make sure they don't weigh a ton.

what he said plus starsharks.

[monkey7]

I think some old school libras would look crazy.

[HootAuto]

Someone already makes some knock off libras, but how about Hayashi's? Anyone fans?

[Cronic]

i'd take some hayahis to

[Cronic]

Do it or I cut your fukkin head off:rant2: seriosly though DO IT get prices asap so i can start saving.

[raen419]

if the weight wasn't too much, i'd be interested.

[HootAuto]

I still need to find the equipment to make em, anyone have any suggestions?

[exitspeed]

I'd be interested in these style wheels with nice offsets. I would suggest making them availible in 2 different sizes and offsets to accomidate the hardcore and then the regular flush. Just a suggestion.

Any idea of price or anything like that?

As fas a equipement goes you'd probably be better off outside contracting something like this then you trying to purchase all the equipment.

[TougeNinja]

yea dude, meshies, star sharks, advans, watanabes. everthing plz k thx bye

[S13_Project]

I would really like to see some replicas meshies. with some nice sizes like 16X8 and 9" with 0 offset! *DROoL*

[HootAuto]

Exitspeed, I have no clue on the price right now, but good suggestion...I am going to call a few companies tomorrow, design something, and find out what they are going to charge....if they can do it.

This thread was just to see if there is any interest, apparently there is!!

[exitspeed]

Exitspeed, I have no clue on the price right now, but good suggestion...I am going to call a few companies tomorrow, design something, and find out what they are going to charge....if they can do it.

This thread was just to see if there is any interest, apparently there is!!

That's like asking Rosanne if she's hungry!:hyper:

[HootAuto]

I know....it's a tease....I'm workin on something right now, but it's gonna take a while...I need to get an engineer to design them, find a company to manufacture, make a few "test subjects" and then try to sell them.

Like I said, this is a thread to guage the interest for this market, so I'm DEFINATELY going to do this!

If you have any ideas or know any engineers/manufacturers that could help me out, pm or email me!!!

[HootAuto]

What would you guys be willing to pay for rims like this? Given the weight, size, offset and specs are met, just so I know what I can afford to pay someone to make them...

[EchoOfSilence]

how many times must we say yes?

[kazuo]

I would say relative to what stuff like MB, FN01RC, etc etc etc costs.

No meshies.... waste of time IMO. Buy SSRs if you want them that bad.

[ramblux]

Either way, you guys know anyone with some manufacturing equipment so I can start making this stuff? They will probably be made to order to start, but still not expensive....

How can you guarantee that these wheels will not be expensive when:

1) You don't know anyone with equipment
2) If you don't know anyone with equipment, how will YOU make them?
3) You don't have a design yet.
4) Made to order does not = cheap. EVER.
5) I would assume that you want in on the profit? That would only add to the price.


Just wondering. I've seen many people attempt something like this before, and it hasn't happened yet.

I can get forged one-off wheels made, but they're about $1,400/set + for 15x8.

[musikjunkie]

yea kazuo is right about the meshes . there is to many meshes out there and played out

[HootAuto]

ramblux, if I was actually making rims, this thread would be in the for sale section. I put it here to see if people would be interested in them. You know, market research...

As far as a business perspective goes, of course I want a profit, if I didn't, I would give them away. I look at it like this, I find someone to design it, someone to make it (may have found someone as of today btw) and then try it. I will probably lose money on the first 20 sets or even more. In the end though, I would like to think the market is big enough to make something out of this....

[exitspeed]

What would you guys be willing to pay for rims like this? Given the weight, size, offset and specs are met, just so I know what I can afford to pay someone to make them...


One other thing you have to think about is are you going to be able to make these multi piece wheels. Most of these old school wheels I believe are multi piese and may look too knock-offish if they are just cast. Like the Advan SA3A knockoffs that konig(I think thats who it is). Those just look terrible. The Rewinds are not too bad. I think if they are cast just stay away from the bolt pattern design. That makes them look really bad if they are not multi piece.


To answer your questions about pric it would depend on the size. If say 15's then the $500 range would be good. But the larger sizes I would say around FN's price would be ideal.

[HootAuto]

I'm definately lookin into it and may have found someone to manufacture, but I am pretty sure $500 for a set of 15"s sounds too cheap right now, can't be sure though, definately not too much more than that.

Also about the multi peice, That's why I need an engineer/someone who is already making multi peice rims so I don't make them too weak. Either way, I'm gonna look into it and see what it's gonna take so don't hate on me for not having any clue right now!!!!!!!! jk, I'm goin as fast as I can, I want a set too OK!!

[nismeaux]

If you want to go 2 piece, the thing to do might be to find an off-the-shelf rim part. I'd think these would be largely the same between a lot of 2-piece wheels. Just find someone who is willing to sell you one they are already making for their own/another company's wheels. Then design the center section which would presumably be unique to your wheels, and you have a casting that is a lot smaller than an entire wheel, and therefore a lot cheaper to manufacture in terms of the cost of an individual unit, as well as start-up costs (tooling, etc). Have the casting machined to fit the rim part, as well as machining the center bore and bolt holes, put it together, and you've got a wheel

[HootAuto]

OK I found a company to design/engineer a set of MKII with 16x8 with +10 offset as my prototype. I'm gonna get them within 2 months and try em out. If everything goes according to plan, these will be the first "round" of rims made in this same size with a +20 offset option. Don't hold your breath for them though, it's gonna take a while.

[exitspeed]

OK I found a company to design/engineer a set of MKII with 16x8 with +10 offset as my prototype. I'm gonna get them within 2 months and try em out. If everything goes according to plan, these will be the first "round" of rims made in this same size with a +20 offset option. Don't hold your breath for them though, it's gonna take a while.


SWEET:hyper:
If this can get all squared sometime after July...I'M IN!:rawk:

[HootAuto]

Guys, I need the hub diameter, what it will take to clear the Z32 brake calipers and so forth so I can get a quote to engineer these rims!!!!! First on the agenda will be the MKII rims, who wants a set!!!!!!??????? I need these dimensions first please.......4 lugs comin up!

[REDSH!FT]

er...4x114.3 is what you're lookin for

brake clearance is dependant on both offset and spoke design...you'll really just need to measure and try it out. Just look around at cars w/ z-brakes and measure the wheel/brake clearance, hub/spoke clearance and start doing some math on it

[exitspeed]

Guys, I need the hub diameter, what it will take to clear the Z32 brake calipers and so forth so I can get a quote to engineer these rims!!!!! First on the agenda will be the MKII rims, who wants a set!!!!!!??????? I need these dimensions first please.......4 lugs comin up!

I don't think the MKII spoke design would clear z brakes unless they were concave. If they are flat like the OG one's they won't clear.

[lilredstiffy]

"I don't know anything about making wheels or hell even what lug pattern a 240sx is but will you guys buy ugly probably unsafe knockoffs of 15 year old wheels if i got them made?!"

and 2 months later
"Sorry guys it looks like its going to be a little more than I thought, closer to 800-1000 for a set of 15x8/16x8, if you are still interested PM me!"

[thejapino]

here is a link to some nice old school wheels:

http://club4ag.com/faq%20and%20tech_pages/Wheel%20Guide.htm

[kazuo]

Guys, I need the hub diameter

66.1mm

what it will take to clear the Z32 brake calipers

They won't, so forget about it.

Bolt pattern is 4x114.3mm

Make us our rims. :)

[chmercer]

why wouldnt they clear z32s. if you are making custom rims then just make the back pad however thick you want to clear z32 calipers.

ps these will never get made ever

[HootAuto]

lilred, I am actually talkin to a firm in Bakersfield that does Aerospace engineering for the Government and the guy managing my account has an American Lemans race engineering background so they will be safe. btw, I actually do expect the price to be about what you said but for larger sizes....and yes I already knew the bolt pattern but thanks!

Also, I don't think I'm going to make them to clear the Z brakes, but I will try...

[DoriftoSlut]

How about not copying anything, and making your own designs?

Case in point: I made these for my Lotus last term... Lotus has always had rims that were either 4 or 8 spoke. Old lotus F1 cars were almost all 4 spoke. 4 Spoke rims are wicked old skool.


Here's what I did, influenced by 4 spoke Equip 01s, Old Ferrari 5 spokes, Lotus 4 spoke F1 rims, etc. But i didn't copy anything, and IMO still retains the new-but-old-skool look.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Pink_GodziRa/afb2cec3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Pink_GodziRa/1d5476b4.jpg


I know the cost of manufacturing etc was not factored into my design, but i think my point still stands...


That being said... want to hire me to do an old-skool feeling wheel for ya? I can build it in either Alias Studiotools or Solidworks, whatever is the easiest for final production output... ;)

[musikjunkie]

if you are still taking suggestions i say make some old school hoshinos and longchamps

[EchoOfSilence]

I say hire DoriftoSlut. those rims + stepped lip = hotness.

[someguy_240]

I say hire DoriftoSlut. those rims + stepped lip = hotness.

+1 what he said

[DRIFTER-M]

17x9 4 and 5 lug.

Cheap 17 inch meshes, they would be hot. Or old school advans, but if you can make 16-17inch, and nice and wide. They would prob sell really good.

[ThatGuy]

"Just say no to Knock-Offs"

Original designs or nothing.

[Phlip]

I agree with those guys, I would rather see an original design of an old-school LOOKING wheel than to see an overpriced copy of wheels we have seen before.

[Gnnr]

"Just say no to Knock-Offs"

Original designs or nothing.

Umm, even if the design is no logner in production or the company went out business? Like I know a lot of the American wheel companies make replica wheels for the whole Nostalgia market because many of the old school wheel companies dont exist or what not. If there is a demand for the design and no one is satisfying the demand there should or will be someone who will.

[/thinking out loud]

[ThatGuy]

Even if that's the case. Make a wheel that is "inspired" by those styles. Don't make a carbon copy of the original. Making copies requires no talent or skill.

[DrtyRat]

Even if that's the case. Make a wheel that is "inspired" by those styles. Don't make a carbon copy of the original. Making copies requires no talent or skill.
At first I thought that this idea about making replica rims was a good idea but I feel like I have to agree w/you on this one. I think someone mentioned something about advan oni's on here but when it comes down to it I would rather pay a little more for the original then save a few bucks trying to get an exact copy...btw I'm basing this purely from a looks standpoint if these rims are gonna be strictly track then for you track guys maybe its worth it

[DoriftoSlut]

I always wanted to make those Cherry Blossom rims. b/c at first so many people would buy them (since they're super JDM Popular with Hachi guys) and then.. eventually the market would get saturated and everyone would take a step back and realise how ugly the rims really are. Then it will totally ruin the Original out-of-this-world expensive Cherry Blossoms b/c no one would like them anymore.

So yea.. haha that would be funny, but you see what i mean? THe coolest thing about Old School rims is that they are rare. For a new product venture, It would be more respectable to do original designs.

As for american muscle-car-era wheels that are replicas... most of them are in fact done by the same original company. IE Halibrand, American Racing, etc. The new wheels are cheaper.. same design, diff process and different material. But its the same company... then the originals are still in high regard b/c they are REAL mag wheels, from 1960-whatever and aren't getting killed by the new wheels who offer enthusiasts the same look and feel but not quite the same product. In some cases, like Torq Thrusts, the wheels have been unchanged in forever. Well, at least some models. And they are still in production, yet there are cheap copies. Nothing you can do about that. (ROTAS, anyone?)


As for the wheels out of production, never to return... Eh. Would you make replica Ferrari 250GTO wheels? naw... just leave them be to live in retirement... they wouldn't work (looks wise) on modern cars, anyways.

[ThatGuy]

As for the wheels out of production, never to return... Eh. Would you make replica Ferrari 250GTO wheels? naw... just leave them be to live in retirement... they wouldn't work (looks wise) on modern cars, anyways.

You know you'd rock these on a 240! :keke:
http://jlcouet.club.fr/250GTO.jpg

I'd rock them for daily wheels!!

[lilredstiffy]

Judging by a bunch of the cars I've seen on here lots of guys would 'rock' anything (even redrilling a wheel face of a shit wheel so it fits) for daily wheels.

OLD WHEELS ARE UGLY
14x6/7 and 15x/6/7 no matter the offset are never cool

but yes. you could make money selling these to douchebags on nico and some on here. and they would love them

my problem with this thread is again, the guy trying to make bucks knows NOTHING about manufacturing wheels, has NO equipment, etc.

anyone interested in a replica ferrari f40?? if so ill build them, im looking for a way to make money! I'll have to pm you guys once i find out how much it costs and who i can get to build parts :ghey:

[DoriftoSlut]

I'll take a replica F40 as long as the Original Neon red/orange race color is used and its sprayed so thin i can still see the CF weave. And if you use the quad or bi-turbo engine and plum the wastegate out between the exhaust pipes. Oh god how i love that car. Perfection.

[lilredstiffy]

Oh god how i love that car. Perfection.

Fucking right.
Lots of people would love to be rich to have the giant tv. giant house. helicopters. lame-borghinis.

just a f40 here thanks. RAW beastman of a car.

[DoriftoSlut]

The Ted Nugent of cars.

[REDSH!FT]

Once I drove by a guy in the city that was driving an F40

I died because I looked directly at it

[DoriftoSlut]

Saw one at WSIR on Big Willow RIPPING. I peed my pants, crapped, then came in my pants, then exploded because it was the most amazing thing i had ever seen/heard and my body's nervous system could not process it.

So.. technically, i'm dead.

[Advan]

I wouldn't mind having a pair of Slut's rims. I like the look. Company name: Slutty Rims. joking. I say Slut should make those rims come to life. Make them come to life...Slut....don't kill me.

[DoriftoSlut]

Slut Kill.

I like that.

I would make them come to life, as well as many others but someone needs to go own a wheel company for me. LOL.

[DRIFTER-M]

Do some 1 peice cheap wheels similar to these CCW's. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/handdrag78/DSC01564.jpg

THOSE ARE SO HOT!!! Make a design similar to that, and really cheap, haha.
Just a suggestion...

[DoriftoSlut]

Umm.. so what's so hot about those?

[DRIFTER-M]

I dunno, guess its just my personal style. Don't like them?

[DoriftoSlut]

Don't hate them... but they don't do it for me. Just run-of-the-mill split spoke mesh. BMW 1976 is what those things remind me of. Which is cool. On a 76 BMW. Which are also cool. So.. yea in context those could look cool (911s, M3s... umm... 911s. umm.. M3s... umm lol).

[Advan]

How long did it take you to make those rims anyway? Since you custom built them, I'm curious as to how you did it. I know the process started on paper, but what steps did you have to take, make them real?

[DRIFTER-M]

Don't hate them... but they don't do it for me. Just run-of-the-mill split spoke mesh. BMW 1976 is what those things remind me of. Which is cool. On a 76 BMW. Which are also cool. So.. yea in context those could look cool (911s, M3s... umm... 911s. umm.. M3s... umm lol).

Yeah, I see what you mean. Anyway, I think they look good on 240's however, heres a pic of them on a kouki(By the way, Handdrag is selling these wheels in the for sale section)

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3807/67ho.jpg

[DoriftoSlut]

I sketched a bunch of wheels, then built those in Solid Works. Then from there i output the data to the school's starch machine, where they printed the 3D version of them. You then have to carfully add Thin C-A super glue to the starch part and it solidifies it into a strong piece.

[Advan]

You still have those sketches? A starch machine, eh? Never heard of it, but I understand what it does. I'm sure you have to have a strong desire and passion for this. Having skills to draw cars is a must. Once you're done, what automotive company would you want to work for, or which one are you going for?

Edit: I can never get my wording right.

[Team Rootbeer]

i saw an F40 once....but it stopped and turned itself into a wizard before i could get a good glance of it.....

on the wheels subject......i dont really see there being anyway of said company making a custom mold and only using it for like what, 10-20 sets of wheels? unless you pay out the ass, but then there goes your profit idea....

leave it to the Gods of rotation....Work, RAYS, SSR...and so on

[s13dan]

If i didnt just buy wheels i would be extremly intrested... Starsharks rock my face off

[KwKouki]

you make some SSR Brights, and you have a definate buyer here. Im a big fan of old school wheels.

[HootAuto]

I'm working on something right now between doriftoslut and other designers....btw lilredstiffy if you don't like the idea, shut up....I don't know anything about it but I can pay someone who does and can manufacture them for me, you don't need to do everything yourself.........that's the beauty of business!!