Anyone thought of this?

[Jonnie Fraz]

Ok I may take a beating on this one ,but I think it just might work. Have any of you guys looked under the hood of most new cars? About all you can find is oil cap, radiator cap, and dipstick. All this because of the crazy heat sheilds and motor covers. Now I started thinking more about this when I read the article in Sport Compact Car about the DIY turbos and the street sleepers. Anyway if we were to come up with some motor covers that would be bolted down and that may hide some mods, even hide the fact that you have an SR. No cop will ask you to unbolt parts off your car to get a better look at your motor.
Now if you keep the CARB paperwork on your BA exaust and you get pulled over, and he cannot see anything under the hood, he has no reason to write you up for a REF ticket.
What do you guys think?

[NMS1lvi4]

sounds like a good idea to me

[SimpleSexy180]

i know what you mean about those big ass plastic covers where the only thing possible to see is maybe the belts. It wouldnt hurt to try.

[dannyboi]

Ok I may take a beating on this one ,but I think it just might work. Have any of you guys looked under the hood of most new cars? About all you can find is oil cap, radiator cap, and dipstick. All this because of the crazy heat sheilds and motor covers. Now I started thinking more about this when I read the article in Sport Compact Car about the DIY turbos and the street sleepers. Anyway if we were to come up with some motor covers that would be bolted down and that may hide some mods, even hide the fact that you have an SR. No cop will ask you to unbolt parts off your car to get a better look at your motor.
Now if you keep the CARB paperwork on your BA exaust and you get pulled over, and he cannot see anything under the hood, he has no reason to write you up for a REF ticket.
What do you guys think?

Sounds like a creative idea. Now, please don't kill me (I've seen what you look like).

[matlock]

Making it look natural and making sure it wouldn't melt or get too hot would possibly be a little tricky but I think it could be a good idea.

[SiI40sx]

Seen it done before, D2 in Pasadena had a civic in their showroom. It was a complete show car, and under the hood the had some nice creative covers on the engine.

[HyperTek]

cop may say "that doesnt look original" and jsut issue a bar ref ticket to say "have them inspect that" or something

[EchoOfSilence]

I've seen a turbo civic that had its IC piping passing through the OE plastic intake plumbing, its BOV in the OE airbox, and a heatshield from a miata covering the turbo and manifold. It looked completely stock until he took the airbox cover off. We should look a lot more into this.

[L1ama]

I bet in like a month, you will see someone come up with a kit for this, someone like greddy, and they will compete with like hks, make a lighter one, bigger one or some shit.

[EchoOfSilence]

um
no, i don't think so.

conservativeness doesn't sell.

[SimpleSexy180]

but what if they are nice looking ones with Nissan emblems and engravings...etc..

[Irukandji]

I'm sure Nissan wouldn't be too happy with an aftermarket company making covers for their motors to hide illegal parts.

And no, no company in the right mind will make covers for our motors.



Jonnie its a good idea, couldn't hurt to try it.

[ramblux]

<---... still waiting for someone to make a SR valve cover with a KA top welded to it.

Some cops actually have photos of what the engine bays are supposed to look like. That being the most obvious change (at a quick glance), it might help. Just a thought.

[Ricks15]

I guess the best protection now a days is to keep it totally sleeper. Those asshole fucks called the police will find ways to screw you either way God DAMN YOU!!!! But it doesnt hurt to try something new against getting examined by those sons of a fucking bitch.

[ALTRNTV]

<---... still waiting for someone to make a SR valve cover with a KA top welded to it.

I like that idea... :hitit:

Those asshole fucks called the police will find ways to screw you either way God DAMN YOU!!!!

Someone's a bit bitter.

[Phlip]

This thrtead makes me even more glad that I do not live in California

(as if I was in need of a reason)

[NIK90s13]

Sounds like a good idea, alot of work, but a good idea. I havent run into to much trouble here(Texas). California laws suck!!! My brother ,who lives in Ca. drove an rx7 was always harassed!!!!
But a GOOD cooling cover for the turbo? That would sell.

[axiomatik]

I guess the best protection now a days is to keep it totally sleeper. Those asshole fucks called the police will find ways to screw you either way God DAMN YOU!!!! But it doesnt hurt to try something new against getting examined by those sons of a fucking bitch.

Dude, you have some serious issues. Every time there's a thread mentioning the police, you're ranting and raving about them. Time to toss the NWA CDs. The police are enforcing the laws. If you want to do something, start writing letters to your lawmakers to have the laws changed.

/offtopic

my thoughts from another thread:
How about a bottom-mount manifold for the KA that would allow you to use the stock heat shield. Use the stock SR piping and side-mount intercooler and it would look completely factory unless you did some serious digging, since the turbo would be covered by the heat shield. Wouldn't make a ton of power, but certainly more than an NA KA.

[Jonnie Fraz]

Sounds like I may be on to somthing. You would no be able to hide a big top mount, and you couldn't be stupid about it, like zip screwing a garbage can lid to the valve cover, or having your big ass fmic blinging out there in front. It would have to look stock or semi stock, I think I have some work to do.

[aa87]

The rx8 has that renisis engine cover, maybe smoething along the lines of that that covers everything, battery, fuse box area, just so the entire top layer of the engine bay is covered in plastic, throw a nissan logo and maybe put 2.4 ka hybrid on there or something and it should work nicely.

[BlackSilEighty]

You guys just need to move out of California. Where I live you don't even have to have an exhaust, lol. People drive around with big ass Dodge trucks with no exhaust all the time.

[KA24DESOneThree]

I thought about it a few times but figured the expense would be injustifiable.

So I just left the engine stock.

[ThatGuy]

If you want to be a real sleeper, just get a complete looking KA made of plastic and mount it in place of your current engine. The mount any other engine you want in a Mid Engine set-up, and make the engine cover look like a back seat full of misc. stuff. Now when the police pop your hood they see a clean, completely stock engine. I'm thinking mid-engine LS1 would be nice.

[drift freaq]

This thrtead makes me even more glad that I do not live in California

(as if I was in need of a reason)
Thats ok Philip, we have to many people moving here as it is. You all can go home now. hahhahhahahha J/k

[L1ama]

Do you guys not remember the electric powered 240sx?
http://www.jouleinjected.com/motors.html
When the officer checks the hood, he will find nothing, literally.
I got this info from this thread: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=101124&highlight=electric+powered
My statement is false if there is something under the hood....

[ThatGuy]

^I believe he keeps some of the batteries under the hood.

[aa87]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCyMkB0uMeg&feature=Views&page=2&t=t&f=b

Gahaha, glad im in louisiana

[Tenchuu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCyMkB0uMeg&feature=Views&page=2&t=t&f=b

Gahaha, glad im in louisiana


I'm just waiting for a cop to try to pull someitng like this on me.

ME: "officer i would be glad to help, but are you familiar with the set of laws that govern this vehicle being that it is liscensed, registered, and owned out of state?"

cop: ??

ME: OWNED

[mjjstang]

I guess the best protection now a days is to keep it totally sleeper. Those asshole fucks called the police will find ways to screw you either way God DAMN YOU!!!! But it doesnt hurt to try something new against getting examined by those sons of a fucking bitch.


You are a very ignorant asshole fuck

[Ricks15]

You think I give a shit what you think about what I said, NO!!! Thats just my own personal opinion about the pigs. You live in Michigan not in Socal so that wouldnt even give you the slightest idea how currupt the cops are out here because you dont know what goes on. Im sure there other people that have been harassed by the damn police for some little thing. Thats just the way it is I know there doing there job but its just that they can't look for real police work instead they target easy prey and thats people who love there cars.

[ALTRNTV]

^
Did you have a bad experience with some cop who pulled you over and asked you to step out and searched you... and then gave you the "stick?" Reason I ask is because you seem all BUTThurt.

[Phlip]

You think I give a shit what you think about what I said, NO!!! Thats just my own personal opinion about the pigs. You live in Michigan not in Socal so that wouldnt even give you the slightest idea how currupt the cops are out here because you dont know what goes on. Im sure there other people that have been harassed by the damn police for some little thing. Thats just the way it is I know there doing there job but its just that they can't look for real police work instead they target easy prey and thats people who love there cars.
In case you missed it, please read my response here:
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?p=943292#post943292
... I don't feel like typing again

[mjjstang]

yes I do live in Michigan, and I follow the laws, that is why i dont have a problem with them, and trust me michigan laws arent much easier to follow, do you know its illegal to chain my crocodile to a fire hydrant in Detroit, do you know what kind of fucking problems this poses. sure ive gotten some tickets and always tip my hat to the officer and let him know what a fine job he is doing to protect the public. I dont know why your bitching and telling us how corrupt they are when you guys are just trying to figure ways to hide your illegal parts. seems like the corruption is on you. If anything, blame the lawmakers. sure maybe some of the laws are stupid but they are laws, not to be broken, I however think its a pretty good idea to try to hide the engines to get around the laws, but if you get caught like you (Ricks15) probably did for something illegal, dont go crying about how they fucked you over.

Oh, and to stay on topic, Like I said I think its a good idea to try to hide the engine with crafty plastic pieces, However the absolute trick is to get it to look natural like previous posters said, and that would seem pretty hard on such old cars, but hey never hurts to try.

[Tenchuu]

Back opn topic, I think that the valve cover weld on would be the easiest way to do it. even if you made up a Nissan KA24 Hybritd motor cover it would be really far off from what they are looking for. the valve cover switch with stock looking heat shielding over the turbo i thihng would have a veary high sucess rate in fooling ots of people. police, friends, and any less than honest spectators you might have scopeing your stuff at events.

[BlackS14]

God dammit I love living in the Sunshine state......that's all I have to say in this thread....kthxbye;)

-Bill

[oceans11_gt]

I love living in Wisconsin.......The cops in my town would look at my engine, see the turbo SR, and think my car was a turbo diesel. They do hammer me for my exhaust all the time though. I've never been asked to pop my hood though.

[BlackSilEighty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCyMkB0uMeg&feature=Views&page=1&t=t&f=b

This video is freakin hillarious! You guys better hurry up and take those blue hoses off!

[240silvia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCyMkB0uMeg&feature=Views&page=2&t=t&f=b

Gahaha, glad im in louisiana


Jesus, F California. We don't have any problems on the East Coast. You guys need to come over here. Open my hood? Are you serious??? lol. Shit, I feel bad for you guys. The only thing that bothers me is that cops automatically assume that if your car is modified, that you are a "street racer." I know that stereotype will always be there, and it sucks.

[Yuri]

I'm thinking someone needs to take a 3D scanner, scan both an SR and a KA valve cover, and have a computer modeler combine them into a KA cover with the bolt holes/internals of an SR. Then CNC it out of aluminum and use it to make molds so they can be cast. a lot cleaner than just welding a KA top to an SR valve cover. only problem would be hiding the SR's coil packs.

[BlackSilEighty]

Are these cops really intelligent enough to know at first glance that an SR is a foreign engine? Why can't you just buy an SR and keep it stock? I'm sure they wouldn't care so much then. Run a quiet CARB legal exhaust and call it a day. All that BS over there would have made me move a long time ago.

[Jonnie Fraz]

They are being trained to spot the SR's. Impactred I think you are right in that welding two covers together would be easy to spot unless you are very good. As for the coilpacks I think it would fly unless you get someone real good. I think that if you had a SR20de valve cover you could almost fool them as long as you were rean conservative with the rest of your install.

[Andrew Bohan]

if you have an SR, just get a coilpack cover that says "NON TURBO STOCK MOTOR"

[jobestudios]

What I think the op was suggesting is a cover to cover the entire engine bay?

such as 350z http://www.autoshow.com.tr/surus_izlenimi/00866/imperiaflex_0_5_23.jpg

even better http://212.227.48.10/cms/history/640/b8e36_3.jpg

Basically, I think you could achieve this with a large sheet of semi-thick aluminum, then bend/cut it around your engine bay. Paint it with wrinkle spray paint and put some nissan badging on.

am i somewhat on the same topic?

[aa87]

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/MazdaRX8/Images/Engine-md.jpg

[drew935]

I'll do one out of sheet metal, thermal tape the bottom and spray it flat black on top and cover up some stuff even though my car is mostly stock. Only a K&N filter setup in there. I wonder if it will work...I'll take pics of it after I get it done for you guys. :keke:

[Jonnie Fraz]

Way to get back on topic. Yes this is exactly what I was proposing, the one on the RX8 woud easilly hide a SR...hell you could even hide a big ass top mount under that one. I am going to start working some stuff up also.

[SR20d2fourT]

Like some people said before, you just need to move out of Cali. I live in Texas and no one even gives me shit for my exhaust (3 inch straight pipe all the way). It would be rather hard hiding the sr and making it look like a factory engine, especially since these cars are growing in popularity. Its going to be like a honda guy hinding all of his crap under a plastic cover. Just doesnt make sense.

[axiomatik]

I wouldn't be surprised if Texas soon followed Cali's lead in terms of smog restrictions.

[BlackSilEighty]

Here's an idea if you persist in staying in California... don't do an SR swap! KA24DE is a much better engine than it's thought to be by most people. I'm sure you could get away with a very basic turbo setup on a KA. Use all stock parts. Stock sidemount intercooler, stock BOV/wastegate, 2.5 inch exhaust with full CAT and quiet muffler. I really don't see a point in dumping thousands of dollars into an engine that you can't even legally use!

I'm pretty sure that if they found out you put a fake cover over the engine you'd get another charge or two thrown at you.

[Andrew Bohan]

or build whatever kind of car you want. then get another car for daily driving.

[DoriftoSlut]

Here's an idea if you persist in staying in California... don't do an SR swap! KA24DE is a much better engine than it's thought to be by most people. I'm sure you could get away with a very basic turbo setup on a KA. Use all stock parts. Stock sidemount intercooler, stock BOV/wastegate, 2.5 inch exhaust with full CAT and quiet muffler. I really don't see a point in dumping thousands of dollars into an engine that you can't even legally use!

I'm pretty sure that if they found out you put a fake cover over the engine you'd get another charge or two thrown at you.
Once upon a time, Alcohol was illegal to sell, distribute, posess and consume, in the Good Ole USA. How fucking ludicrous was that? There was no point.


There is absolutely no reason an SR20DET should be illegal in the US. If it passes sniffer (been proven to many times) then what's the big fucking deal, its not fucking polluting!!!


Anyways, plenty of people drank alcohol during the abolition. I'm gonna drive my fucking SR. Point being, stupid laws are.... stupid.

[ayuaddict]

anybody thought about somehow getting the NEO6 RB25DET cover to work on the KA or SR, painted black with a nissan emblem? for the guys with the older RB25s, it should go on with minimal modification.

[240trainee]

Prohibition, not abolition.

[DoriftoSlut]

Prohibition, not abolition.
Hahaha yea. Shit Art Center > me. Been up doing Alias renderings all night. Whatever. Hahaha. Needless to say, I'm not a history major.

[TheSquidd]

Yeah, they can make all the laws they want. There's a reason I live in Cali not AZ or TX. I can walk to the mountains from my house and drive to the beaches in 30 minutes. I also have track events every weekend, D1 and Formula D come to tracks within yelling distance of my house.


Anyway back on topic, Like stated before, if a cop pops your hood, and he has his little coloring book of "Street racer engines" and he sees you have some huge plastic cover the looks nothing like a KA or SR , you're going to the ref.

Do like me , don't give a damn. I get pulled over i'll buy a new chassis and transplant the SR in there. It's not like 240's are expensive. :drama:

[HyperTek]

Do like me , don't give a damn. I get pulled over i'll buy a new chassis and transplant the SR in there. It's not like 240's are expensive. :drama:

like that is soo easy if you car is caged/spot welded and custom shit done to the chassis..


im thinking having a fan shroud, black piping and silver top might help make it look stock.. Yah ugly fan shroud but it makes the engine bay look more stock.

[TheSquidd]

I was exaggerating. My cars waiting to get ticketed, I'm buying a backup car for daily. Buddy Club Spec II with no Cat is kinda the exact opposite of what you want in CA.

Take the SR valve cover, sand blast the red off it. Don't put any chrom down there. Run the stock heatshield over the exhaust manifold, you can't see the turbo. Run sidemount. Recirc the BOV. All good.

[undesiredshoe]

I dont wanna threadjack or anything but i have an idea for a super sleeper exhaust. Basically its an aftermarket exhaust inside a stock one, preferably a stock civic one with the super small exhaust tip. The tip of the aftermarket one curves down, exiting out the bottom of the stock one. Just an idea

[Yuri]

I was exaggerating. My cars waiting to get ticketed, I'm buying a backup car for daily. Buddy Club Spec II with no Cat is kinda the exact opposite of what you want in CA.

Take the SR valve cover, sand blast the red off it. Don't put any chrom down there. Run the stock heatshield over the exhaust manifold, you can't see the turbo. Run sidemount. Recirc the BOV. All good.
worked with mine, and I still had the red paint on the cam cover.

[airsoft]

Seems like a lot of work. Would be nice though, I'd buy one if it ever came around.

[TheSquidd]

1-800-Sui-cide

[Jonnie Fraz]

^^Huh?
I have thought that you might get away with just a super clean SR install, with a silver valve cover. How many stories have you guys read about guys getting pulled over and the cop not even recognizing the SR swap? I have read a few.
Have any of any you guys been to the ref? I am wondering if they would even pull the cover off to see what is under it?

[sr_sil80]

I've thought of this idea before,...but just a thought, never actually went about trying it. Only people in Cali would think of stupid shit like this, hahaha. If i ever decide to try it, i'll be sure to post pics

[m072514]

dont get pulled over! (i know, i know... easier said than done...)

[nissan90sileighty]

I've seen a turbo civic that had its IC piping passing through the OE plastic intake plumbing, its BOV in the OE airbox, and a heatshield from a miata covering the turbo and manifold. It looked completely stock until he took the airbox cover off. We should look a lot more into this.


i agree with this 100% may be we could all email big companys i.e. greddy, hks, even nissan, anyt aftermarket company... may be even one of the aftermarket parts selling sites

[krustindumm]

I'd be interested in one of the engine covers, and I live in Iowa where even cops with mod'd cars don't have cats (or sometimes exhaust at all). I just think it would be easier than a wire harness tuck.

[topsecretgold]

damn cali for making us have to come up with stuff like this...im getting an out of state reg.:eek3:

[Gnnr]

I want to see somebody try this, sounds like a good idea for you cali guys. Can't you use some of the coverings off one of the newer nissans?

[TougeSR20Kid]

I have thought about this. quite a lot actually cus unlike most people i live in the best part of the country to have an illegal car San Diego... when it comes to cops they'll write you for anything that looks modified, anything colored or shiny or have ghetto wiring will set them off... for sr20's (in my opinion) the best thing to do is hide the BOV, paint the valve cover completely black (if it isnt already), take off the spark plug cover (it says intercooler turbo) and put a stock airbox looking shroud over the SMIC if possible make a shroud covering the charge pipe as long as you arent mister rice boy with red hoses everywhere you should be fine

[TougeSR20Kid]

dont get pulled over! (i know, i know... easier said than done...)

oh but sooooo true..... just dont be a dumbass on the road and you shouldnt have a problem

you know what i hate, little rice boys with mufflers and intakes trying to race me on the freeway even though i'll smoke em, and then they think you wont cus you'll loose.. NO its cus you'll get your shit impounded for havin an illegal motor so therefore beating a hundred horsepower go kart isnt worth it

^^ sorry bout the tangent that happened tonight and it pissed me off

[TougeSR20Kid]

Back opn topic, I think that the valve cover weld on would be the easiest way to do it. even if you made up a Nissan KA24 Hybritd motor cover it would be really far off from what they are looking for. the valve cover switch with stock looking heat shielding over the turbo i thihng would have a veary high sucess rate in fooling ots of people. police, friends, and any less than honest spectators you might have scopeing your stuff at events.

i dont think you'd even have to go that far i think the valve cover off the other front wheel sr20's that came in america (g20, later year sentra's) would bolt on i've checked it out seems like it would work