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mrmephistopheles
02-23-2006, 02:42 AM
My shitty 180sx.
Lowered on mystery coilovers. Got about 2" more (easily) in the front, probably 4" more in the rear. I need to lower the rear down because it looks like a retarded dragster.

Since I keep getting PMs about the wheels - I'm pretty sure the manufacturer is AME, model is Circlar III.
They're 17x8 +32 and 17x9 +38, but I have a 25mm bolton spacer in front and 10mm of sandwich in rear, so it's effectively 17x8 +7 and 17x9 +28. Having the 20mm overfenders in front kinda blows for these wheels, but oh well.

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/7562/kplowspec1pe.jpg

Test fitting 'new' TBO rear valence and TBO sides that I sold.
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2742/tborear9sw.jpg

lilredstiffy
02-23-2006, 03:12 AM
http://members.cox.net/walton90/side.jpg
http://members.cox.net/walton90/frontdone.jpg

DeBastaard
02-23-2006, 03:15 AM
lol !! i need coilovers bad.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~vanderl/DeBastaard/SX/PICT5662.jpg

I've got some higher tires since that pic was taken. Went from 225/35/18 to 225/40/18, wow ha ha.

It's lowered on some Apex springs, about 4cm i reckon.

Might be buying one of those cheap Megan sets in the future.

TurDz
02-23-2006, 03:18 AM
I really like how the wheels look and how the gold actually compliments the red.

Your front drop is perfect, exactly my taste. Don't take the rear lower than the arch of the sidewall of the tires :)

chmercer
02-23-2006, 11:05 AM
yeah oops, didnt see this one, can merge or erase mine

drift freaq
02-23-2006, 11:12 AM
My shitty 180sx.
Lowered on mystery coilovers. Got about 2" more (easily) in the front, probably 4" more in the rear. I need to lower the rear down because it looks like a retarded dragster.
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/7562/kplowspec1pe.jpg

Test fitting 'new' TBO rear valence and TBO sides that I sold.
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2742/tborear9sw.jpg
actually kevin your shitty 180sx(in your own words) looks pretty good in my book. Your wheels are a little sunken, get some spacers mang. Otherwise it looks like what it is, a real driven on the street car. Man those TBO rear valences are exactly what the doctored ordered. Why did you sell them?

P.S. Love the boro they are real.

articdragon192
02-23-2006, 11:13 AM
Link to old thread with many pictures so those pics aren't lost.
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=90340

chmercer
02-23-2006, 12:44 PM
what is the point of labelling the thread s/z chassis only.

Bryants95240sx
02-23-2006, 01:03 PM
(Kts coilovers)its not that low but i dont want to be stupidly low either. I have to drive my car everyday.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/Bryants97240sx/P1010009.jpg

Yoshi
02-23-2006, 04:52 PM
what is the point of labelling the thread s/z chassis only.

How about because that way people can compare what is possible on cars related to this site? maybe some civic can get lower... so what? that doesn' apply to us. S13's can only go so low before losing usable suspension travel. There's a good reason right there. It's only useful comparing apples to apples.

What's with the nitpicking? If that's the case, then:

What was the point of you making another "how low can you go" thread this morning when this was already here?
Little voice in your head trying to convince you that your thread was better somehow, and now you have to try and criticize this one to somehow compensate for your oversight?


ooohhh ya, I guess i should stay on topic while I'm at it....
Roads in eastern WA SUCK. Pothole galore; some deep enough to bend a rim if you hit it just right.
Thus my car takes it's style from the most prevailent car manufacturer in my area: Subaru
Behold my rally car :P
http://www.360realms.com/S13-S15/PICT0936cc-ps.jpg

mrmephistopheles
02-23-2006, 05:13 PM
what is the point of labelling the thread s/z chassis only.

Because that's what Zilvia is about.

daver903
02-23-2006, 06:21 PM
here is mine.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a70/daver903/mycar7.jpg

car is dirty, dont mind the rear wheels they are my winter rims and are terribly sucken. i wish i had better shots of it lower but owell.
oldershot
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a70/daver903/DSC00216.jpg

blk90s13
02-23-2006, 06:22 PM
http://www.teamelusive.com/gallery/d/19210-2/sickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.jpg

http://www.teamelusive.com/gallery/d/14340-3/open_bumper_1ps.jpg


my next door neighbor asked me one time how do u drive your car around that low ?

my reply : carefully ? :fawkd: :bigok:

chmercer
02-23-2006, 06:32 PM
man, that car isnt low, its just the saggy front lip. cmon now.

cross posted from other one
http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/9933/10020mo.jpg

i need not 265 front tires

dyswtric
02-23-2006, 10:33 PM
how do you guys not destroy your front bumpers?

pic for good measure
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a252/dyswtric27/emo2.jpg

DoriftoSlut
02-24-2006, 12:58 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/yeswepromise/DSC01500.jpg


I *think* this car's low.
No, he's not understeering, its a right-hand turn (3rd gear left hander into full right hander circle, then left again to the main straight. This is at the end of the right hand circle, about to tansition left to go onto the main straight...)

S13SilviaGirl
02-24-2006, 08:21 AM
actually kevin your shitty 180sx(in your own words) looks pretty good in my book. Your wheels are a little sunken, get some spacers mang. Otherwise it looks like what it is, a real driven on the street car. Man those TBO rear valences are exactly what the doctored ordered. Why did you sell them?

P.S. Love the boro they are real.

dude, it HAS spacers! hahaha...shitty wheels that came w/the car....and the front spacers are frikken HUGE!

mrmephistopheles
02-24-2006, 11:35 AM
actually kevin your shitty 180sx(in your own words) looks pretty good in my book. Your wheels are a little sunken, get some spacers mang. Otherwise it looks like what it is, a real driven on the street car. Man those TBO rear valences are exactly what the doctored ordered. Why did you sell them?

P.S. Love the boro they are real.
Whoops missed this one.
They are sunken, but that's with a 25mm bolt-on in front and 10mm of sandwich in the rear. Gayass 17x8 +32 and 17x9 +38!
The valence I kept, it's the sideskirts that I sold. I've just got to repaint it before I can put it on.

drift freaq
02-24-2006, 11:48 AM
dude, it HAS spacers! hahaha...shitty wheels that came w/the car....and the front spacers are frikken HUGE!
lol hahhahhaha

drift freaq
02-24-2006, 11:50 AM
Whoops missed this one.
They are sunken, but that's with a 15mm bolt-on in front and 6mm of sandwich in the rear. Gayass 17x8 +32 and 17x9 +38!
The valence I kept, it's the sideskirts that I sold. I've just got to repaint it before I can put it on.
man, ya I just laughed at your wifes comment. good job on keeping the valence if you ever come across another set of those. I would love to have them they are just perfect. HHHMM maybe I should put that on my wish list for Glenn.

midnite_180
02-25-2006, 06:52 AM
heres my POS, i raised the rear so my camber would not be so bad.. dam i need RUCAs and no thos are not 14inch rims.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b355/po0chucker/1f03a396.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b355/po0chucker/673edc1f.jpg

Nizzan4u2nv
02-26-2006, 03:31 PM
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2216000-2216999/2216221_36_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2216000-2216999/2216221_31_full.jpg

Probably not gonna go any lower then that, I have a hard enough time getting up the driveway.

SoSideways
02-26-2006, 03:45 PM
Damn dude, those SSR Professor SP1s are looking hot on that S14 that slammed.

What size/offset are those puppies? My car isn't that low, I need coilovers badly...

Nizzan4u2nv
02-26-2006, 03:54 PM
Theyre 17x9 +6 and 17x10 -1
235/40/17 all around
Custom gold

srpowereds14
02-26-2006, 05:16 PM
LOVE the wheels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!nissan4u2nv- What antennae is that off of???

reflexdb
02-26-2006, 05:41 PM
looks similar to a jdm 350z antennae. i have one on mine, just really short black plastic.

dct223
02-26-2006, 05:44 PM
my ghetto car.... not as low as some.. but yeah...


http://dygertsucks.home.comcast.net/rain800.jpg

Nizzan4u2nv
02-26-2006, 06:20 PM
LOVE the wheels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!nissan4u2nv- What antennae is that off of???

Its from aspec. It plugs right into the stock base model holder. With that one though, you need a longer stud, the one they provide doesnt reach all the way.

http://www.aspecproducts.com/images.asp?theid=1316

More dumped cars:bigok:

180s13
02-27-2006, 08:00 AM
heres mine check it out ha

hotrodv
02-27-2006, 10:51 AM
Nissan4u2nv your car look sick!!I just look at the other pics and is really nice! what the spec on the works cr?
Here's mine, can't go lower cause of our street status and I've to drive it daily.
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/469272/6nnuIzpYXbhptklM.v.jpg

Nizzan4u2nv
02-27-2006, 11:17 AM
Nissan4u2nv your car look sick!!I just look at the other pics and is really nice! what the spec on the works cr?
Here's mine, can't go lower cause of our street status and I've to drive it daily.

Theyre 18x9.5 +7 front and 18x9.5 -3 rear. 5mm and 15mm spacer respectively. Ran 225/40/18 all around. I actually traded those for my sp1 but they will be missed.:coold:

94cc0rd
02-27-2006, 02:57 PM
Here's my kouki with Nitekid's old Friends front aero :keke:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/sennett0r/IMG_2772.jpg

Dropped on Megan Racing Street Coilovers

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/sennett0r/IMG_2775.jpg

Picture with friend's EVO8

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/sennett0r/IMG_2840.jpg

Yuri
02-27-2006, 03:37 PM
My newest acquisition.
Same Tein type HE's (almost bottomed out)
Same Rays engineering Victrix Kreutzers (17x8+19, 17x9+36)
New two-tone coupe shell.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/Yurikaze/leftside.jpg

gorgasm
02-27-2006, 03:47 PM
not low enough.
http://carpron.com/multisite/d/61612-1/P1010008.JPG

Dousan_PG
02-27-2006, 03:56 PM
ok time for pics

dousan and baby spec! yeah!

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/DSC02203.jpg

dousan and doriftoslut spec
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/DSC02171.jpg


BH Spec (the winner), lindsay, baby, dousan
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/DSC02224.jpg



action pics are always in order
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/DSC02174.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/DSC02146.jpg

jookybanana
02-27-2006, 05:42 PM
http://members.cox.net/walton90/side.jpg
http://members.cox.net/walton90/frontdone.jpg

damn, thats soo sickkk, i'm barfing
what tires are you running? 225/40?

lilredstiffy
02-27-2006, 06:59 PM
yup 225/40s

st115s on the car right now

McRussellPants
02-27-2006, 09:04 PM
BH Spec (the winner), lindsay, baby, dousan
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/DSC02224.jpg


Tried the cock ride reply... no dice... too much cool in one place to not to come off as a total jerkoff.

Tried the sarcastic nico hater reply (bad roll center, your wheels slow you down, body kits cause drag, ect). But realized that hating on those cars was inpossible without killing myself.


So I will say... Touche, Sirs. Touche.

AWDtoyota
02-27-2006, 09:08 PM
yup 225/40s

st115s on the car right now

What type of suspension are you running?

ChukiRPS13
02-27-2006, 10:48 PM
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/DSC02224.jpg

Does anyone know what hood the s14 has on the far right? Do they make one for the popup light s13s?

Dousan_PG
02-27-2006, 10:58 PM
ill field that question. since its my car and all...

URAS vent molded onto a stock s14 kouki hood

professionally done and all that whoopla.

ChukiRPS13
02-27-2006, 11:24 PM
It's looks awesome!

sideview_180sx
02-28-2006, 01:11 AM
Dmax is you best option for s13 or flip-up style hood. His is stock hood fitted with URAS vent. 4 teh win. I still like BHs car over the rest haha. Seems like someone was posing for a mag shot?!?

KiDyNomiTe
02-28-2006, 05:21 AM
Dmax is you best option for s13 or flip-up style hood. His is stock hood fitted with URAS vent. 4 teh win. I still like BHs car over the rest haha. Seems like someone was posing for a mag shot?!?
Dmax is the most expensive option... Putting the vent on yourself is the best option...

lilredstiffy
02-28-2006, 05:21 AM
What type of suspension are you running?

coils are jic flta2
sways are tanabe
adjustable arms are whatever name brands i could find deals on

i8yourfwd
02-28-2006, 09:45 AM
So many hot cars makes me not wanna post pics of my beater :(

DoriftoSlut
02-28-2006, 10:22 AM
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/widelow1.jpg

Here. No posing. Just ripping. Open wastegate hell and screams of desire.

chmercer
02-28-2006, 01:44 PM
christ lindsay. stop being so cool. goddamn.

how much power is your car making nowadays? rear tire size? and what speed is that corner you think? high 2nd?

zenki24de
02-28-2006, 02:30 PM
here is mine not low enough but having rubbing problems in the front so i need to fix that first lol
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/zenki24de/car1.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/zenki24de/car2.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/zenki24de/car5.jpg

Dopefish
02-28-2006, 02:54 PM
Anyone sporting K-Sport springs on an S14? Thinking of getting them but I dont want to go too low... 94cc0rd's S14 is the lowest I'd go, that or possibly 1/4" higher would be very nice.

~Kris

sr_drifter
02-28-2006, 04:41 PM
here is mine its not low enough but i daily drive it so lower is not an option for now

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/2179000-2179999/2179648_77_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/2179000-2179999/2179648_78_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/2179000-2179999/2179648_90_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/2179000-2179999/2179648_91_full.jpg

DoriftoSlut
02-28-2006, 05:26 PM
christ lindsay. stop being so cool. goddamn.

how much power is your car making nowadays? rear tire size? and what speed is that corner you think? high 2nd?
Power: No clue. Hopefully around 330 rwhp, I'm running 1 bar boost.
Rear tyres: 245/40/18 ST115.
Corner: 3rd gear.

SoSideways
02-28-2006, 05:30 PM
Power: No clue. Hopefully around 330 rwhp, I'm running 1 bar boost.
Rear tyres: 245/40/18 ST115.
Corner: 3rd gear.

Damn dude, what kinda mods for 330rwhp @ 1 bar of boost?

I need some more rims for tires...

Dousan_PG
02-28-2006, 05:42 PM
reliable 330?
rebuilt motor w/ all the goods. bigger turbo and everything that goes with that

do it right!

or a 1jz...i heard thats easier lindsay...:p reliable 450..haha

DoriftoSlut
02-28-2006, 07:07 PM
Damn Inline 6's. Eff that. I'm gonna be so jealous. I'll run... 1.5bar!

McRussellPants
02-28-2006, 07:18 PM
I'll run... 1.5bar!

The plot thickens.

I hope a legit track event gets going in texas soon.


Is Alex/Dr. Baby still on that motor he bought in Houston? He find out what the ignition was giving him shit about?

Touring240
02-28-2006, 08:36 PM
absolute hotness. 4 of the sickest 240s in North America

Can't post my car because its not S chassis

FaLKoN240
02-28-2006, 08:54 PM
Is it a Z chassis? You can post if it is. :P

Touring240
03-01-2006, 05:32 PM
nah UZZ30 aka SC400

Slip&Sliden 240
03-01-2006, 08:43 PM
As low as the KTS's can go with two collars removed.
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/4595/hw397smaller4nb.jpg

94cc0rd
03-01-2006, 10:02 PM
Looks awesome slip&sliden 240. I love the advan wheels...

<3MyRiceRocKet
03-03-2006, 12:05 PM
Here is my turd. Barely low, but just dropped enough for compensation of exhaust and height... I just can't see it lookin any decent..Anyone wanna trade hatch for hatch..??haha
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/mvue18/My240sx037.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/mvue18/My240sx038.jpg

midnite_180
03-03-2006, 06:25 PM
<3MyRiceRocKet your car is sexy! heres some new pics of my car, she got a face lift and some new shoes.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b355/po0chucker/61184bc2.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b355/po0chucker/239c5cef.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b355/po0chucker/a5f1613a.jpg

S13SilviaGirl
03-03-2006, 06:39 PM
yayyyy san diego, nice car, and uhmmmm why do you have an "old driver" tag on your ride? Are you old? hehe.

TheTimanator
03-03-2006, 07:28 PM
<3MyRiceRocKet your car is sexy! heres some new pics of my car, she got a face lift and some new shoes.
what are the specs on your wats? :drool:

that180guy
03-03-2006, 10:51 PM
yayyyy san diego, nice car, and uhmmmm why do you have an "old driver" tag on your ride? Are you old? hehe.

its funny how alot of jdm bandwagon kids i see rocking that these days, used toe be the green/new driver one, lol.

<3MyRiceRocKet
03-03-2006, 11:48 PM
Thanks. The spec is 16x7 and 8 with +13 offset all around. Hey midnite, are those watanabe's? They don't look like the rota's...or it might just be me.. Anyways, man! What is the size of those wheels? they look reaaally nice. And also, what are the rims on the last picture of your car with the polished (assuming) lips? Could they be meshes? I still want some! I don't know whyyy, I want my car to look olddddd skoooolll!

Realchaos1
03-04-2006, 12:10 AM
im liking that front end. the red one needs some sideskirts. :]

midnite_180
03-04-2006, 02:14 AM
yayyyy san diego, nice car, and uhmmmm why do you have an "old driver" tag on your ride? Are you old? hehe.
i rock it in a different way, im saying im OLD SCHOOL and im not a noobie to the car shit, i have been drfting for a wile now and have been modding cars since i was 15.

SilviaNinja240
03-04-2006, 02:49 AM
its funny how alot of jdm bandwagon kids i see rocking that these days, used toe be the green/new driver one, lol.

If they are 'kids' then maybe they really are newbie drivers, hmm.....

CrappyS13
03-04-2006, 04:15 AM
http://myspace-356.vo.llnwd.net/00520/65/33/520963356_l.jpg
i used to think my car was low until now...damn people have their shit low. well my 18's wont let me go any lower

fliprayzin240sx
03-04-2006, 04:59 AM
Heres mine...
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/DSC00390.JPG
http://www.pxracing.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/DSC00391.JPG

Sitting on MR coilovers and FN01 17x10 +12 all around with 8mm spacer up front to clear coilovers. 235/40 FR and 245/40 RR. FRIENDs bumper and Version select sides and rear.

kuramaya
03-04-2006, 08:08 AM
umm..........not as low as most...but it could be in about 2 minutes...Touge hates the slammed cars:naughtyd:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b382/kurumaya/IMG_3170.jpg

KOUKI KA-T
03-04-2006, 09:51 AM
Not slammed, the 235-40's are kinda short and make the fender wells look less "filled" than 235-45's did. I'll lower it some more when it comes out of storage. (yay maine..)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/srhamlin/davidspics/226_2668.jpg

DavidC
03-04-2006, 11:11 AM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c115/driftmonkey_EN/Endless%20Night/landho62505044a2nc.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c115/driftmonkey_EN/Endless%20Night/DSC00478small.jpg


got new wheels...car is going lower next week.
sits on kei office xr coils.

JDMark
03-04-2006, 11:57 AM
mines pretty low..
old picture
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/Blimit/img06655dv.jpg

Buffalo Daughter
03-04-2006, 12:39 PM
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/583000-583999/583848_96_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/583000-583999/583848_95_full.jpg[IMG]http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/583000-583999/583848_93_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/583000-583999/583848_92_full.jpg

scraper supporter

that180guy
03-04-2006, 03:33 PM
If they are 'kids' then maybe they really are newbie drivers, hmm.....

hrmmmm...u ake a valid point my jdm compadre

iwishiwas-all*
03-04-2006, 05:53 PM
Well its not real low like all u guys here, i am still runnin my helper springs so it can definately be lower 4 sure. Tein HR's and a nice ass new paint job... only mods so far lol
take a look

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/Gabedm/IMG_4876.jpghttp://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/Gabedm/IMG_4877.jpghttp://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/Gabedm/IMG_4861.jpg
Guess were gabe is goin in august^^^^^^^^^^ All about the U

P4rD0nM3
03-04-2006, 06:21 PM
Rice rocket! VIOLET TINT for the win! Hahaha. Mine's violet too!

s13rymos
03-05-2006, 09:18 AM
I could go lower but i want to get rucas and better wheels first.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a253/240drifter72/240sx/6214083385.jpg

Phlip
03-05-2006, 09:25 AM
My car is so low that I took it rock-crawling last week, see:
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7425/rocks032go.jpg

slideways2004
03-05-2006, 01:11 PM
The plot thickens.

I hope a legit track event gets going in texas soon.


Is Alex/Dr. Baby still on that motor he bought in Houston? He find out what the ignition was giving him shit about?

I have the same question.

SimpleS14
03-05-2006, 01:23 PM
This is the right height for me. If I go any lower I wouldn't be able to cross those train tracks with scrap the hell out of my exhaust.

http://www.ss14.net/pics/mycar/forums/dty_11m.jpg

ThatGuy
03-05-2006, 02:26 PM
KTS Coilovers. 1 collar removed in the front. 5mm of free play for the rear spring when not under load. Wheels are 15x7 JUNK with 205/60 tires, and will be replaced with 18x9 and 18x10 Work Equips in another month...
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1182/side2ta.jpg

<3MyRiceRocKet
03-05-2006, 04:00 PM
haha yeah the violet tint came on the car and I hate it. Really want to get rid of it and roll around naked but I am too lazy to remove the tint. And the s14 with the meshes...nice! don't see too many newer cars on meshes these days.

DoriftoSlut
03-05-2006, 04:16 PM
will be replaced with 18x9 and 18x10 Work Equips in another month...

Biter!









Hahaha j/k. What offset? And I want to get the 10s from you so i have somewhat-matching spares for the rear! Although... i'd have to run a 18x10 -18 to match the 18x10.5 -10s. So yea... got any x10 -18s? Sell em!


Oh and i dunno how KTSs are, but on my JIC FLT-A2s, unloaded, i have a 2 finger gap between the top of the spring and the upper mount (~1.5 inches). And in front, all the collars are stacked on each other (need to remove 1, but for now, this actually works pretty well.


I lowered my car more since last post, so i guess i'll get some pics up when i can...

DavidC
03-05-2006, 04:26 PM
where are you guys getting all your equips! i never find any in good sizes!

ThatGuy
03-05-2006, 04:28 PM
My offsets aren't great for those who love Uber-Lip. But I really wanted Equips, and got a set of Polished face for cheap. I'll be running 20mm rear and 15mm front spacers. 18x10 +35 and 18x9 +30 and :eek3: So +15 all around.
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/1189/stinkquip28we.jpg

DoriftoSlut
03-05-2006, 04:40 PM
Oh! I want that cat! Hahah Soo cool!

Nice polish face! I gotta polish mine too. Like... yesterday. The paint is peeling. Gonna paint strip them, then bust out the rubbing, buffing and polishing compound on a buffer.

mrmephistopheles
03-05-2006, 05:23 PM
Oh! I want that cat! Hahah Soo cool!

Fuck that, he's MY cat.

TheTimanator
03-05-2006, 07:43 PM
KTS Coilovers. 1 collar removed in the front. 5mm of free play for the rear spring when not under load.
So is this how everybody gets their KTS's that low? I was under the impression that that wasn't really safe in the rear. I'm happy with my current ride height although it could go lower. But one side of the car is still higher than the other. I think something is bent b/c when I put the coils in both sides were set the same.
Anyway, I'll post some pic as soon as I can get some new ones. My frame rails are 2.5" off the ground :)

SoSideways
03-05-2006, 08:18 PM
Argh I need coils, like, last year.

Now with the 225/45/17s on the rails are like 4-5 inches off the ground.

Definitely 4x4.

Kinematics
03-06-2006, 07:58 AM
My new S14, dropped on Pro Kits. Coilovers at some point, but they aren't high priority right now.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c195/Kinematics/32569450.jpg

I'll have to get better pictures when it's not 600 miles away waiting for me to pick it up.

mr_240sx
03-06-2006, 09:18 PM
My offsets aren't great for those who love Uber-Lip. But I really wanted Equips, and got a set of Polished face for cheap. I'll be running 20mm rear and 15mm front spacers. 18x10 +35 and 18x9 +30 and :eek3: So +15 all around.
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/1189/stinkquip28we.jpg
those are some sweet wheels!

s13dan
03-06-2006, 10:32 PM
I just installed my JIC coilovers last week so it seems appropriate i post.I have Been 4x4 for almost 2 years now.
http://x10.putfile.com/3/6118020440-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/6118020440.jpg&s=x10) http://x10.putfile.com/3/6118032137-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/6118032137.jpg&s=x10)

95zilvia
03-07-2006, 04:34 AM
My car.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/onathan525/HOWLOW/DSC00218.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/onathan525/HOWLOW/DSC00217.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/onathan525/HOWLOW/DSC00216.jpg

Lower than half your cars even when jacked uP! :P
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/onathan525/HOWLOW/DSC00215.jpg

Still have this much lower to go on coilovers. Need supporting arms to go lower, so that everything else would be streetable :P
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/onathan525/HOWLOW/DSC00213.jpg

benson240sx
03-07-2006, 09:06 AM
Man I wish we had roads up here that would allow us to lower our cars that much with out massive problems,
just battleing with all the Driveways is enought to kill your car.

chmercer
03-07-2006, 10:07 AM
the road dosent let you lower your car. your hand on the spring perch does. if you dont want to lower your car then thats cool, but i am so tired of seeing people post whack ass excuses.

ThatGuy
03-07-2006, 10:22 AM
those are some sweet wheels!

Thanks. Just waiting on the wheels, 5-lug hubs, spacers, and tires. Then they'll go on, along with my Tension Rods, Lower Brace, RUCA's, Traction Rod's, and Subframe spacers.:naughty: I slapped the coils on to get used to driving it lowered before I put my new Sil-Face and Aero on.

axiomatik
03-07-2006, 11:22 AM
taking it one step at a time, huh?

hitman
03-07-2006, 11:32 AM
one day at a time;)

anyways here is my car.
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7885/pic43sc.jpg
with this lip on it good pic to tell the front lip clearance
http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/4111/dd31picone1vl.jpg
equals mad greddy lip destruction
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/2719/otherpics43ld.jpg
pwnage
i have full links everywhere so alignment (minus bumpsteer) is still fine. i super low, and then raised it back up, and im still lower then scooter right now:) he needs more low juice.

Steeles
03-08-2006, 02:59 PM
Oh! I want that cat! Hahah Soo cool!

Nice polish face! I gotta polish mine too. Like... yesterday. The paint is peeling. Gonna paint strip them, then bust out the rubbing, buffing and polishing compound on a buffer.

Chit we're ALL gonna have polish.. I was planning on doing the same to mine!

Hmmm might plan b it and have them repainted... chit.

usdm180sx
03-08-2006, 03:29 PM
Lower than half your cars even when jacked uP! :P


FYI that ain't low.

Slip&Sliden 240
03-08-2006, 03:57 PM
So is this how everybody gets their KTS's that low? I was under the impression that that wasn't really safe in the rear. I'm happy with my current ride height although it could go lower. But one side of the car is still higher than the other. I think something is bent b/c when I put the coils in both sides were set the same.
Anyway, I'll post some pic as soon as I can get some new ones. My frame rails are 2.5" off the ground :)

I have 2 collars removed on mine in the front. The rear I have slop but not enough to where it leaves the little guides on the collar.

sLiDewAys
03-08-2006, 04:08 PM
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid202/p422eac6c8b6e94d8c08ba7bf2e488929/efedc38a.jpg

will go lower once the harness is tucked and relocated.

looks likeme and slip&slidin need to get together for a photo shoot

2iv0 sx
03-08-2006, 04:22 PM
^haha same pose.

Lost_DriFter
03-08-2006, 05:41 PM
I just installed my JIC coilovers last week so it seems appropriate i post.I have Been 4x4 for almost 2 years now.
http://x10.putfile.com/3/6118020440-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/6118020440.jpg&s=x10) http://x10.putfile.com/3/6118032137-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/6118032137.jpg&s=x10)




i wish my car was this color again well it still is but clear coat is comin off i rarely see this color on 240s thats why i love it:fruit: :bigok:

P4rD0nM3
03-08-2006, 05:58 PM
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2234/moneyshot7hn.jpg

Can still go lower by 2 inches.

KiDyNomiTe
03-08-2006, 09:26 PM
For the time being, needs to be a bit lower in he front, will do that soon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Grip%20Gambler%20Pictures/db2b1707.jpg

SoSideways
03-09-2006, 12:30 AM
For the time being, needs to be a bit lower in he front, will do that soon.


[OFF TOPIC]

You gonna write a review of those Stance coils anytime soon mang? :naughtyd:

[/OFF TOPIC]

How will you be able to lower the front without rubbing on full lock? Are you gonna notch those fenders?

Ritz S14
03-09-2006, 12:36 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/smogtech/PICT2009.jpg
http://vinylwurkz.com/PICT2035.jpg
Day before my car got hit. Front needs to go lower but with 225s, it rubs the fender.
http://vinylwurkz.com/vrepair.jpg

sLiDewAys
03-09-2006, 03:39 AM
nice ritz
lovvin the work termist

KiDyNomiTe
03-09-2006, 05:08 AM
[OFF TOPIC]

You gonna write a review of those Stance coils anytime soon mang? :naughtyd:

[/OFF TOPIC]

How will you be able to lower the front without rubbing on full lock? Are you gonna notch those fenders?
I'm just gonna couple some more thoughts on them with the shock dyno which should be getting done this weekend if all goes well. I wrote an initial review comparing to silk roads maybe i didn't post it on here...

The fenders will notch themselves, I only plan on a few more mm, some more camber, and some spacers.

SoSideways
03-09-2006, 12:52 PM
Sweet dude, can't wait for the shock dyno and review :)

As for the notching, I forgot you had fiberglass fenders. I still have stock metal fenders, so that's kinda a no-go for me. Damnit. Time to switch out the 225/45/17s for some 215/45/17s for the front!

KiDyNomiTe
03-09-2006, 02:49 PM
Sweet dude, can't wait for the shock dyno and review :)

As for the notching, I forgot you had fiberglass fenders. I still have stock metal fenders, so that's kinda a no-go for me. Damnit. Time to switch out the 225/45/17s for some 215/45/17s for the front!
go 235/40 if you value your tiresize. Its a few mm difference, i forget what it equated to.

SoSideways
03-09-2006, 03:11 PM
go 235/40 if you value your tiresize. Its a few mm difference, i forget what it equated to.

Problem is that, Kumho MX doesn't come in 235/40/17. They have 235/45/17, but it's even taller than the 225/45/17.

235/45/17 is like 1" taller than the 215/45/17.
215/45/17 is only a couple tenths of an inch shorter than 235/40/17 from what I gathered.

So yeah, I'd probably go 215/45/17 front and 225/45/17 rear, both on 17x9 +20.

axiomatik
03-09-2006, 07:34 PM
http://vinylwurkz.com/vrepair.jpg

Can't tell for sure, but it looks like your rear toe needs some correction.

Touring240
03-09-2006, 08:37 PM
and the front is crying out for camber!

usdm180sx
03-09-2006, 09:23 PM
yeah it kinda looks like negative camber

Team Rootbeer
03-09-2006, 09:53 PM
^you mean positive camber?

KiDyNomiTe
03-10-2006, 02:01 AM
Problem is that, Kumho MX doesn't come in 235/40/17. They have 235/45/17, but it's even taller than the 225/45/17.

235/45/17 is like 1" taller than the 215/45/17.
215/45/17 is only a couple tenths of an inch shorter than 235/40/17 from what I gathered.

So yeah, I'd probably go 215/45/17 front and 225/45/17 rear, both on 17x9 +20.
Ya, bugged enjuku about that when they we running kumhos, oh well I went with potenzas that i got for free, so far i love them. If someone other than the one nitto tire made 225/40 i would go with that.

TokyoNights
03-11-2006, 02:24 AM
:wavey:
http://www.d-faction.com/pictures/mike/blingblang.JPG

KiDyNomiTe
03-11-2006, 02:52 AM
http://www.tougefactory.com/lionking/simba10.jpg

Its slightly higher than that in the rear due to tire change and alignment change...

DoriftoSlut
03-11-2006, 04:52 PM
:wavey:
http://www.d-faction.com/pictures/mike/blingblang.JPG
Hmmmmm.....

I like what i see so far.... Any more shots? Wheels?

mr_240sx
03-11-2006, 08:34 PM
Thanks. Just waiting on the wheels, 5-lug hubs, spacers, and tires. Then they'll go on, along with my Tension Rods, Lower Brace, RUCA's, Traction Rod's, and Subframe spacers.:naughty: I slapped the coils on to get used to driving it lowered before I put my new Sil-Face and Aero on.


did you get your suspension stuff from josh? kazama goodies? cause i got mostly al the same stuff from josh's group buy! cant wait to install them in a few weeks!

hotrodv
03-12-2006, 12:24 AM
http://www.tougefactory.com/lionking/simba10.jpg

Its slightly higher than that in the rear due to tire change and alignment
change...
This pics is awesome!! :rawk:
I'm looking for used wheels:
-Equip (hello lindsay :D)
-Veilside andre racing 5 silver
-Koenig

17/18 low offset..
anyone??:wiggle:

DoriftoSlut
03-12-2006, 01:37 AM
This pics is awesome!! :rawk:
I'm looking for used wheels:
-Equip (hello lindsay :D)
-Veilside andre racing 5 silver
-Koenig

17/18 low offset..
anyone??:wiggle:
Massimo, I know you love my wheels, but I love them 14 times more! Never giving them up! Get Koenigs. Old School Miki S14!! YES!!!

that180guy
03-12-2006, 02:13 AM
tokyo nights: nice looking garage man.
+1 for nice garages! :rawk:

ThatGuy
03-12-2006, 07:41 AM
did you get your suspension stuff from josh? kazama goodies? cause i got mostly al the same stuff from josh's group buy! cant wait to install them in a few weeks!

Actually I got all my stuff from SPL Parts. Josh had a great Group Buy though. I just installed the Tension rods, lower brace, and brake cooling deflectors yesterday. The front end feels very solid now. I love it!:rawk: :rawk: :rawk:

KiDyNomiTe
03-12-2006, 11:23 AM
This is the point where you can't make s13s any lower without breaking the toe rod.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Grip%20Gambler%20Pictures/badunkaslammed.jpg

I already hit mine once a while back ago with my silk roads. This is the current distance now, and you can see where I hit it. But I have battle versions and they are pretty damn strong.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Stance/toolow.jpg

Thats the ride height in the above pic with 225/40/18s on the rear.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Stance/toolow2.jpg

TokyoNights
03-12-2006, 05:05 PM
I know what you mean I bent my battle version toe rods bottoming out on the subframe, one side hit so hard it split on the bottom. When Alex sent me replacement center sections they came wrapped in a huge DumDums wrapper haha.

Thanks 180guy I coundnt live without a garage.

Dorifto I will have some shots from the track next weekend,, Ill post them up. They are grenade

chmercer
03-12-2006, 08:09 PM
tokyo is that the BN copy from raceon? or somthing else?

ps if you guys are bottoming your toe arms on the sus, get the arms from spl parts, the mounting brackets are offset to allow for much more travel.

DoriftoSlut
03-12-2006, 08:23 PM
Tokyo... Pics.. NOW. And at the track.


I wanna see the rest of the kit! NOWWWWW!


Oh, and Paint the headlight surround black. Silver looks gayer than when gay came to gaytown. IMO.

chmercer
03-12-2006, 08:39 PM
rest of the kit looks like vertex slutbag.

yes tokyo, i demand more pics, and more clear fender sidemarkers.

DavidC
03-12-2006, 09:32 PM
Oh, and Paint the headlight surround black. Silver looks gayer than when gay came to gaytown. IMO.


haha i was about to say the same thing...paint it darker...

and if thats the ebay BN style kit..hows the fitment?

TheTimanator
03-12-2006, 10:04 PM
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid202/p4d9a7df1d69f7d60d611c702e550e52d/efdb650d.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid202/p5baf10aca1cfeb51882425ca28b8b965/efdb659a.jpg
I can go lower in the front but I'm already scraping the lip and my exhaust. The back is as low as I can go without taking out all the preload. And for whatever reason the right side is still higher than the left.

I kinda like the painted light housings. i dunno.

hotrodv
03-13-2006, 11:50 AM
Massimo, I know you love my wheels, but I love them 14 times more! Never giving them up! Get Koenigs. Old School Miki S14!! YES!!!

I sure would do that if I can fuckin find a place where buy them with right offset! seem that is impossible find it!
Just seen pics of enkei ribeus?!?!?never seen before, I like but impossible to find too.. fuck..

sncs14
03-13-2006, 05:41 PM
this low
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/s14o/DSCF0289.jpg

which is low enough to snag pieces of small road kill on the cat bolts. I can still smell it cooking after a month.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/s14o/DSCF0311.jpg

sittinsideways
03-13-2006, 05:47 PM
roadkill cafe u kill um we grill um

haha wow thats pretty damn low. u must scrape on everything. unlucky racoon

TokyoNights
03-13-2006, 05:49 PM
Pics this weekend,promise!
Thats real BN Sports and those are fake vertex sides
I still have this hood vent I need to get molded in its been sitting in my room for months

DaN_S13
03-13-2006, 06:05 PM
haha thats nasty! I found a rabbits foot in my driveway one day when i was washing my car...

Gnnr
03-14-2006, 07:50 AM
which is low enough to snag pieces of small road kill on the cat bolts. I can still smell it cooking after a month.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/s14o/DSCF0311.jpg


Damn, thats low. lol. :D

240trainee
03-14-2006, 08:37 AM
Lol, I'm pretty low, had pics in the old thread. I would post pics of my car, but I'm gonna wait til I have the 5 lug done and my starion wheels on, and just make one post.

Touring240
03-14-2006, 11:57 AM
Your Koenigs are right here courtesy of Nikolay!

http://vipstylecars.com/forum/index.php?topic=2997.0

axiomatik
03-14-2006, 11:58 AM
240trainee, Well, you already made that post, so it won't be just one post anymore. Just post the pics!

NemeGuero
03-14-2006, 03:57 PM
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3544/brakes0077nm.jpg
someone sunk my battleship!! HOLY FUCK.

240trainee
03-14-2006, 08:09 PM
Good Point
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/240trainee/DSC02760copy.jpg
First Day I put the D-Drug's on

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/240trainee/DSCF0033.jpg
Last fall, nice Cruising weather, Z31 wheels (for sale)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/240trainee/vmp_08142005_164.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/240trainee/vmp_08142005_165.jpg
Lookout Drift event

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/240trainee/9c268120.jpg
Pic shows front wheel clearence pretty well

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/240trainee/DSCF0050.jpg
Yes, I drove in the snow



Ok, Thats it for now, new pics after the 5 lug/ Starion wheels get on, hopefully within a month, I still need to save for and buy front hubs.

TRUSE-R
03-15-2006, 02:44 AM
Heres a pic of my car:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v175/TRUSE-R/102_1588.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v175/TRUSE-R/102_1576.jpg
Still want to go lower.

hotrodv
03-15-2006, 02:45 AM
Your Koenigs are right here courtesy of Nikolay!

http://vipstylecars.com/forum/index.php?topic=2997.0

Why he sell those awesome wheels?!?! 11.5 for the rear is just something to big for italian law, I can put at maximum a 225 on it so a 10 would be the max..
Damn shipping cost..I will but them only for have it on my garage!

DoriftoSlut
03-15-2006, 04:33 AM
Massimo, grow some balls and get those!!! Fuck the cops man! You think Motley Crue ever thought about putting TOO AWESOME of a guitar solo into a song? Fuck noooooo. Get those jams, you'd be a god like Miki and the blue S14! Think of the Italian Pussy what would start pouring from the awesomeness of your wheels! AH!

whooha1217
03-15-2006, 07:04 AM
http://www.tougefactory.com/lionking/simba10.jpg

Its slightly higher than that in the rear due to tire change and alignment change...

whats the size and offset of ur 57s in the front?

SoSideways
03-15-2006, 12:51 PM
whooha1217: Look at kidynomite's profile. It's in there.

ispypsi
03-15-2006, 05:23 PM
whoring up threads with my new pixors :)
i never seem to capture its true lowness in pictures, but i guess it's the incline of my driveway. oem lip gets its fair share of rubbing, but since i've redone the exhaust to the megan/projectnissan/rs*r setup, i'm not a spark machine anymore lol.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/ispypsi/passside.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/ispypsi/lowerthansprite.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/ispypsi/angle.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/ispypsi/low.jpg

<3MyRiceRocKet
03-15-2006, 06:18 PM
wow, i must say that the prostars look pretty crazy on the kouki. Nice Job! rare to see 15's on a kouki.

sittinsideways
03-15-2006, 06:57 PM
whoring up threads with my new pixors :)
i never seem to capture its true lowness in pictures, but i guess it's the incline of my driveway.

ya i see what you mean. the rear looks alot higher. but that prob is just ur driveways

S13Koop
03-15-2006, 07:25 PM
http://www.s13koop.net/flatblack/57pro/darkkoop.jpg

http://www.s13koop.net/flatblack/57pro/darkkoop2.jpg

Nan Desu Ka?!
03-15-2006, 07:44 PM
Here ya'll go. MR coils... about another 1/4 - 1/2" to go before having to add preload. Not low enough IMO, but i have lots of speedmountians all around my house.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/dracco77/240sx/DSCN7167.jpg
broken lip and all :p P.s. it looks kinda high cause my drivaway is uber uneven.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/dracco77/240sx/DSCN7159.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/dracco77/240sx/DSCN7162.jpg
My cat and downpipe are a little "D" shapped already... That is about a 3 finger gap :p

KiDyNomiTe
03-15-2006, 09:28 PM
whats the size and offset of ur 57s in the front?
17x9.5 +12 w/ 235/40/17. Now running 3.5 degrees of camber so I need some spacers, when its all said and done probably will be 9.5 -3

whooha1217
03-15-2006, 11:20 PM
17x9.5 +12 w/ 235/40/17. Now running 3.5 degrees of camber so I need some spacers, when its all said and done probably will be 9.5 -3

do u think those 17x9.5 +12 all around would fit flush into stock fenders with rolled fenders? i know they back should be fine, but how about the front?

KiDyNomiTe
03-16-2006, 05:19 AM
do u think those 17x9.5 +12 all around would fit flush into stock fenders with rolled fenders? i know they back should be fine, but how about the front?
For the rear on an s13 it will need more than a roll, or a lot of camber. For the front you will need 3.5 degrees of camber or more, and some really small tires like 215/40/17s

meatish
03-16-2006, 10:07 AM
http://www.driftcircuit.org/DC3GY/DriftCircuitIII030506-075.jpg
http://www.driftcircuit.org/DC3GY/DriftCircuitIII030506-106.jpg

ive got about a 3 finger gap under my frame right now.

AutoRnD
03-16-2006, 10:52 AM
here is my car..
it is pretty low in terms of... exhaust wise.. =)

http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/RearTire1.jpg
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/RearTire2.jpg
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/RearTire3.jpg
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/RearTire5.jpg



SUNK STATUS



http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/RearTire4.jpg






FOR SALE WHEELS !!!
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/SuperSexy6.JPG



http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/recentz1.jpg
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/recentz3.jpg
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/recentz4.jpg
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/recentz8.jpg

SilviaSR20DET
03-16-2006, 12:47 PM
damnn nice 350z, it is dropped... stock they are already pretty low.

SoSideways
03-16-2006, 01:57 PM
Aw man, Enjuku Ray needs to post pics of his 350z up on this.

mr_240sx
03-16-2006, 04:09 PM
thats a sick Z josh!

Red Square
03-16-2006, 08:53 PM
i need to go lower..... i want to be cool like you guys...lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/ildrifto/cars/T139a.jpg

McRussellPants
03-16-2006, 09:06 PM
17x9.5 +12 w/ 235/40/17. Now running 3.5 degrees of camber so I need some spacers, when its all said and done probably will be 9.5 -3


Sweet, I'll be running about that exact setup, how much inner strut clearance do you have?



Moving on. Don't consider this haterade by any means, I've seen some baller ass pics of you at the track pretty often. Buuuuutttt, I don't think I've seen any of Purple people eater version. Soooooo... when can we expect awesome full lock smoke screen pics? in 4th gear? maybe a little bankey? maybe a little 2wheel dirt drop with 15ft mud rooster tail?

KiDyNomiTe
03-16-2006, 09:21 PM
Well it snowed today... The weather here fucking sucks, no events yet, car is not really running. Put on turbo, had to modify piping, ecu is in or on its way to Florida fail, lots of hard parking..

Once the weather gets better and we get some events going I'll have action shots, videos bla bla bla.

For the strut clearance on Stances they clear just fine (less than a finger), on my Silk Roads I had to move the top spindle mount bolt one position over (3rd highest camber setting).

S14DB
03-16-2006, 09:24 PM
i need to go lower..... i want to be cool like you guys...lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/ildrifto/cars/T139a.jpg
Boy that looks just like iLdrifto's car...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/ildrifto/cars/sig3.jpg
http://www.zilvia.net/f/member.php?u=9110

Irukandji
03-16-2006, 10:29 PM
isn't that just his new username?

Dousan_PG
03-16-2006, 10:34 PM
oh oh oh! busted

Red Square
03-16-2006, 10:35 PM
Boy that looks just like iLdrifto's car...

because it is...... i gave up on drifting. i rather concentrate on grip. hence, the name change.

drifting is fun, but hard for me to improve, no place and no time to practice. and plus i have a lot of other stuff to worry about.

S14DB
03-16-2006, 10:38 PM
Boy that looks just like iLdrifto's car...

because it is...... i gave up on drifting. i rather concentrate on grip. hence, the name change.

drifting is fun, but hard for me to improve, no place and no time to practice. and plus i have a lot of other stuff to worry about.
Well you went about it the wrong way. So, pink & ban time.

Note to others. Ask to have you name changed. Don't be making multiple names.

McRussellPants
03-17-2006, 12:45 AM
Well it snowed today... The weather here fucking sucks, no events yet, car is not really running. Put on turbo, had to modify piping, ecu is in or on its way to Florida fail, lots of hard parking..

Once the weather gets better and we get some events going I'll have action shots, videos bla bla bla.

For the strut clearance on Stances they clear just fine (less than a finger), on my Silk Roads I had to move the top spindle mount bolt one position over (3rd highest camber setting).

Ah, I forgot you lived up North, in Texas it only ices... there were 250 something wrecks in Austin alone a month or so ago due to about 6hrs of under 32.

fair enough, from what I've seen KTS lower bracket size is about average. I just need to order some +20 Fenders.

Johny5
03-17-2006, 01:34 AM
ugh what the hell is this thread, banning for name changes, prostars on s-chassis? are these camaros? please go drag race another lame car, please. THAT THING ISN'T EVEN LOW JESUS.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/DSCN0136.jpg
fun compression shot yea

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/DSCN0143.jpg

ummmmph fuck your frame rails. knockin rear b umpers off leaving hte apts SCRAPING SKIRTSD FULL LOCK UMMM UMMMM YES?

Sil Beer S13
03-17-2006, 01:39 AM
i need to go lower..... i want to be cool like you guys...lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/ildrifto/cars/T139a.jpg


Irwin you car is so weak sauce, never drifted, barely driven you want RB for what reason??? OH HIGHWAY BATTLE!!!!

Ya dude you should sell that car to someone that could use it.

AdoriPimp
03-17-2006, 01:48 AM
Stop being a hater! his ride is sick

Johny5
03-17-2006, 01:50 AM
YEAH DUDE SICK SHOW CAR!!!! its so sweet to see a built car like that go towards ... UHHH ...UHHHH....DAILY DRIVING!

Muzzy
03-17-2006, 02:34 AM
wtf are those sick ass wheels on that Z????

HAWT!!

DoriftoSlut
03-17-2006, 04:24 AM
I lowered it more since last time. Meh. I still want it lower. I have an addiction. I know. I don't think I can actually go too much lower with the 18s up front. Rubs the fenders a lot as it is! SHIT. Anyone have 17x9.5 +3 Equips they'll trade for my 18s!?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Pink_GodziRa/night1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Pink_GodziRa/night2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Pink_GodziRa/night3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Pink_GodziRa/night4.jpg

axiomatik
03-17-2006, 07:22 AM
wtf are those sick ass wheels on that Z????

HAWT!!

As you can see from the center caps, they are AME's, Auto RnD sells them. Looks like they are Shallen CX's.

lilredstiffy
03-17-2006, 08:47 AM
yeah dorifto that is the max, i cant go significantly lower on mine because of fender, maybe like 1 thread or two on coil

but 18s up front. so hot
http://members.cox.net/walton90/boom.jpg

Johny5
03-17-2006, 08:49 AM
18s up front is lametown, usa.

gorgasm
03-17-2006, 10:37 AM
18s up front is lametown, usa.

your just jealous :keke:

http://carpron.com/multisite/d/64052-1/slam.jpg

Johny5
03-17-2006, 10:45 AM
http://www.aspecproducts.com/forums/zilvia/work/banner03.jpg

oh shit son, 18s on all 4s 1 year ago? been there done that, drive your car hard enough and low enough and you'll want 17 fronts. ahem.

gorgasm
03-17-2006, 10:48 AM
http://carpron.com/multisite/d/64052-1/slam.jpg
http://www.aspecproducts.com/forums/zilvia/work/banner03.jpg

I dunno stewber... you sure this is the correct thread for that pic? were you offroading the day before? we need to tandem :keke:

Muzzy
03-17-2006, 11:28 AM
i couldnt read the center caps on teh Z wheels.

hey whose FD in teh background???

DoriftoSlut
03-17-2006, 12:24 PM
yeah dorifto that is the max, i cant go significantly lower on mine because of fender, maybe like 1 thread or two on coil

but 18s up front. so hot
http://members.cox.net/walton90/boom.jpg
Yo you Sourthern boy muffucka, what size tyres on those jams?

215/40/18?


I would like to tuck a bit mre tread up front, but i have 225/40/18 AD07s on 9.5s. Rear is 245/40/18 on 10.5.


This is why i want 17s for the front... I can lower the rear until the lip hits the fender, but I can't lower the front to match b/c on 18s it just wouldn't turn. Damn.

AutoRnD
03-17-2006, 01:10 PM
wtf are those sick ass wheels on that Z????

HAWT!!


They are ame shallen Cx
bling bling
just sold them yesterday
www.autornd.com
or www.ame-wheels.com

lilredstiffy
03-17-2006, 04:08 PM
Yo you Sourthern boy muffucka, what size tyres on those jams?

215/40/18?


I would like to tuck a bit mre tread up front, but i have 225/40/18 AD07s on 9.5s. Rear is 245/40/18 on 10.5.


This is why i want 17s for the front... I can lower the rear until the lip hits the fender, but I can't lower the front to match b/c on 18s it just wouldn't turn. Damn.

225/40, alls of em

you know how i know my car is too high? the bumper is still mint after a month. 1 event, everyday driving, hauling ass on shitty interstates..nothing. :ugh:

i will never put 17s up front. maybe ill super notch the fenders

ispypsi
03-17-2006, 06:34 PM
ugh what the hell is this thread, banning for name changes, prostars on s-chassis? are these camaros? please go drag race another lame car, please. THAT THING ISN'T EVEN LOW JESUS.

banning for improper name changes is dumb, but banning for being a douche is certainly justified. please dont ruin this thread with your high and mighty talk. some of us enjoy all forms of motorsport, my car sees alot more than just the drag strip, though i dont consider myself a drifter, just not into it (but love to watch). dang not even any originality points! your car is maybe an inch lower than mine, being you have a run of the mill JDM kit with sideskirts that are just "extended down and flared out", and my ridiculously stupid large sidewall makes mine look different. i never claimed i was uber low anyways, i thought maybe someone wanted to see something different than fn's and cr kai's dumped with a body kit. if you dont like it thats cool though.

cheers.

SoSideways
03-17-2006, 07:46 PM
Happy Birthday Dan!

I think it's Dan anyways, haven't talked to you in a long time.

NI_YON_Zenki
03-17-2006, 08:02 PM
http://carpron.com/multisite/d/64052-1/slam.jpg
http://www.aspecproducts.com/forums/zilvia/work/banner03.jpg

I dunno stewber... you sure this is the correct thread for that pic? were you offroading the day before? we need to tandem :keke:


Shiet. .. .Looks like ya'll already are tandem, Twins Team YIN_YANG

Good lord, one of yah'll do someting to make the cars a bit more idenifiable before I begin to think yah'll are just photoshopin shots,lol

Big Ups Gorify, I've seen you in person. .. .But ahhheem Stewber, mirror image

Johny5
03-17-2006, 08:15 PM
haha oh sir, best believe this shit was built while goreify was still a nutstain.

Phlip
03-18-2006, 12:56 PM
Keep in mind that I am making no claims to be SUPER low, but today I put the new (to me) spring/struts on the car, and in such have shaken the monster truck mentality form a couple of pages ago:
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7332/springs18cw.jpg
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/4884/springs29ko.jpg
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/166/springs31rq.jpg
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/7411/springs40wo.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2312/springs57ej.jpg
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/4733/springs64xm.jpg
And here is my stock S13 lip:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4140/lip6jh.jpg
... before I could drive over a midget standing up straight and not rub, now I have to learn to drive all over again.

KiDyNomiTe
03-18-2006, 03:17 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/DSCN0136.jpg
fun compression shot yea

Booo on your compression shot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Grip%20Gambler%20Pictures/badunkaslammed.jpg

And while I was too high in the front...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Grip%20Gambler%20Pictures/low.jpg

jookybanana
03-18-2006, 03:40 PM
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/7991/img58916tx.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1428/img59164ug.jpg
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/4260/img59239ju.jpg

Muzzy
03-19-2006, 12:28 AM
hey wuts that neat little toyota in the background??

jookybanana
03-19-2006, 12:47 AM
that would be the Yaris

Dousan_PG
03-19-2006, 03:26 PM
yeah its going lower
and the battle rages on..

the rear wide fenders go on next week. so i hammered to high hell my current fenders. dont care because they'll be lying on the floor next weekend :)

17x9 0
18x10.5 +15

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/newcar2.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/newcar3.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/newcar5.jpg

lilredstiffy
03-19-2006, 04:09 PM
did a little lowerin' and hammerin' myself today oh yeaaa

http://members.cox.net/walton90/wee.jpg

DoriftoSlut
03-19-2006, 09:05 PM
aaron, your car will meet its demise at the hands of my S13. It will never be LOWER!!! BAH! Tomorrow, my friend. Tomorrow is a new day.

Nan Desu Ka?!
03-20-2006, 05:39 AM
you guys make me feel like a panzy... o well here is my bitch. yes, she is going lower. as soon as i get tires for my 15X8 0 offset rims, and i nice roll and pull.

MR coils, with another half inch of threads left before i start adding preload.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/intelectualism/nissanmeet3-19-05/nissanmeet-011.jpg
yes, i know the rear is too high, im trying not to destroy my exhuast before i can sell it and get something that is not as big, or hang as low.

TokyoNights
03-20-2006, 07:49 PM
Sup dudes, I managed to grenade the front bumper and the #4 piston.
http://www.d-faction.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/LRPMar18RT55.jpg
btw the PG rides are making me sweat :boink:

sylsevilsis
03-20-2006, 08:17 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/fknfastintegra/funday008.jpg

chmercer
03-21-2006, 02:25 AM
Sup dudes, I managed to grenade the front bumper and the #4 piston.
http://www.d-faction.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/LRPMar18RT55.jpg
btw the PG rides are making me sweat :boink:

shit son you already toasted that BN? how quick was that?

:(:(:(dead bn:(:(:(

sncs14
03-21-2006, 10:06 AM
Sup dudes, I managed to grenade the front bumper and the #4 piston.

btw the PG rides are making me sweat :boink:

Stop teasing us. More pics!!!:boink:

Dousan_PG
03-21-2006, 10:14 AM
it was bn copy

chmercer
03-21-2006, 10:52 AM
Thats real BN Sports
*shrug*

msg length

AutoRnD
03-21-2006, 11:07 AM
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/350zBlueR1.JPG
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/350zBlueR2.JPG
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/350zBlueR3.JPG
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/350zBlueR4.JPG
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/350zBlueR5.JPG
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/350zBlueR6.JPG
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/350zBlueR7.JPG

kouki_s14
03-21-2006, 11:37 AM
sold the black wheels already?
not really feeling the blue, but it still works
also u forgot to white out the plate in one pic

lucky7
03-21-2006, 11:39 AM
holy crap. what are the specs?

TokyoNights
03-21-2006, 12:59 PM
shit son you already toasted that BN? how quick was that?

:(:(:(dead bn:(:(:(
It was real BN, thing went flying in 3 pieces
Im gonna glass it back together its not that bad
http://static.flickr.com/55/114938645_b003710a72_m.jpg
and get the sides and rear propably replicas haha

khmerguy618
03-21-2006, 01:20 PM
man those wheels are hot

upSLIDEdown
03-21-2006, 01:23 PM
Not low enough. Trying to sell these and go 17/18 stagger. 18s up front are just too tall. Anyone else rubbing the underside of the strut tower? I'm not rubbing any inner fender metal anymore, beat all that outta the way, but I'm rubbing right over top of the front tires in hard corners on the front edge of the underside of the strut tower (if that makes any sense at all)...

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/791/pict02801iz.jpg

Dousan_PG
03-21-2006, 01:27 PM
what supsension you run? probably too soft

real bn? it was haha
jackass
thats like lindsay blowing up his real HOT ROAD bumper. good times.

upSLIDEdown
03-21-2006, 02:03 PM
Don't think so, Running 8/6 Megans on 4 from the stiffest setting. <shrugs> Most every suspension component on the car has been done.
REAR
Whiteline Rear Sway
JIC RUCAs
PowerTrix Toe Rods
Boxed in stock Traction rods
NEW OEM Nissan RLCAs/ball joints
Subframe spacers
Poly bushings wherever there isn't a spherical heim joint

FRONT
NISMO FLCAs
SPL TC Rods
NISMO Power Brace

I think that's all, that's all I can think of anyway.

Nostradamus
03-21-2006, 04:20 PM
no smoke :ghey:
http://www.d-faction.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/normal_LRPMar18RT25.jpg
http://www.d-faction.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/normal_LRPMar18RT42.jpg

TokyoNights
03-21-2006, 04:33 PM
real bn? it was haha
jackass
thats like lindsay blowing up his real HOT ROAD bumper. good times.
hahah if I paid retail id be a jackass
I didnt so yeah good times haha
exploading hot road mmmmm that must have been an awesome sight
but good news for me the engines not blown
injector stuck open,,big flames then 3 cylinder action

DoriftoSlut
03-21-2006, 05:36 PM
Give us more pics! Now! Damnit! Fuck! Shit! Ass! Cunt! Fucker!


18s up front is baller, guess what you need to do? POUND it out of the way. I did. Rubs a little, but its not terrible!

KiDyNomiTe
03-21-2006, 05:44 PM
Don't think so, Running 8/6 Megans on 4 from the stiffest setting. <shrugs>
They aren't that stiff...

sideview_180sx
03-21-2006, 06:02 PM
your offset is kinda high, +35 i'm guessing. Plop it with a 15mm spacer and you will be happy.

:agreed: tokyonights, more pics dammit !!!

ispypsi
03-21-2006, 06:09 PM
very nice tokyonights, clean color/paint.

quick question - figure this is the good place to ask.

i have the megan street coils, what are the lines on the camber plates incremented in? i have them full in, at least 2 lines past where the lines stopped (aka no longer marked). looking at my tire, it still seems to have pretty much full contact to the outer shoulder of the tire, and the angle looks no more than 2 degrees or so, i just wondered.

stupid weld wheels! they dont have any sort of thick mounting hub on the inside of them like alot of wheels do, so i had to become a spacer whore to get the spokes to clear the Z calipers, and went full in on the camber adjustment to keep the mexican skateboard wheel look from happening... guess its either time for front overfenders or bust out the roller tool... :hyper:

Dousan_PG
03-21-2006, 06:22 PM
dont eyeball it
go get a real alignment. eyeball is only so accurate, if your asking you need an alignment.

Marcos
03-21-2006, 08:37 PM
Sup dudes, I managed to grenade the front bumper and the #4 piston.
http://www.d-faction.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/LRPMar18RT55.jpg
btw the PG rides are making me sweat :boink:

I remember when my paint used to look like that a year ago.. Primer is like a disease...

What % tint you using... Ive got 5% all around and 20% upfront... Sucks for night drifts or rainy slides, but sweet for pics...


Heres some pics from awhile back... 255/40 all around...:barf:

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL910/4314477/9084252/134670566.jpg
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL910/4314477/9084252/134670559.jpg
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL910/4314477/9084252/134670553.jpg
3 wheel motion... still had blues/sportlines...
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL910/4314477/9084252/134670542.jpg

blackflag_Rms13
03-21-2006, 08:50 PM
also u forgot to white out the plate in one pic

Other way around, he only whited out one of 'em...:hyper: :duh:

Dorifto89
03-21-2006, 08:57 PM
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/350zBlueR1.JPG
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/350zBlueR2.JPG
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/350zBlueR3.JPG
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/350zBlueR4.JPG
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/350zBlueR5.JPG
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/350zBlueR6.JPG
http://www.autornd.com/catalog/images/Josh/350zBlueR7.JPG


Props for simultaniously posting my S13 in the background Josh. :werd:

mr_240sx
03-21-2006, 10:27 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/mr_240sx/89%20nissan%20240sx/Dsc00116.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/mr_240sx/89%20nissan%20240sx/Dsc00111.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/mr_240sx/89%20nissan%20240sx/Dsc00098.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/mr_240sx/89%20nissan%20240sx/Dsc00095.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/mr_240sx/89%20nissan%20240sx/Dsc00094.jpg

daver903
03-21-2006, 10:34 PM
i love the blue wheels man, its something diffrent and it sets the car off. i like it. props.

kouki_s14
03-22-2006, 12:27 AM
Other way around, he only whited out one of 'em...:hyper: :duh:

i stand corrected

hotrodv
03-22-2006, 09:14 AM
Props for simultaniously posting my S13 in the background Josh. :werd:
Sorry for been a hater but please don't quote all the pics..:duh:

upSLIDEdown
03-22-2006, 11:03 AM
your offset is kinda high, +35 i'm guessing. Plop it with a 15mm spacer and you will be happy.


Actually I'm running 10mm spacers all around, making the wheels 18x8.5+25 and 18x9.5+25. The rear is perfect fitment wise on stock rolled fenders. They couldn't be any more perfect. The fronts on the other hand are sunk, but more spacer won't fix my problem since it's not rubbing on either the front or the back, but right above the tire, on the edge of the strut tower, I'll have to see if I can get a pic sometime. I really want a 17x9+15 or +20 up front, with a 235/40 on it.

They aren't that stiff...
No, but they aren't that soft either, especially where I have them set. More than 8/6 is really overkill unless all you're doing is drifting, so that won't help me. I'm talking about under hard cornering grip driving, road course and auto-x.

Muzzy
03-22-2006, 12:01 PM
hey mr 240sx which front bumper is that??? i actually like it lol.

upSLIDEdown
03-22-2006, 12:11 PM
That would be the full C-West aero kit.

KiDyNomiTe
03-22-2006, 01:27 PM
No, but they aren't that soft either, especially where I have them set. More than 8/6 is really overkill unless all you're doing is drifting, so that won't help me. I'm talking about under hard cornering grip driving, road course and auto-x.
Don't run off of spring rates, its more valving than rates, all 8/6 coilovers do not feel the same.

upSLIDEdown
03-22-2006, 01:53 PM
Yeah, I realize that. I'd really like to get some Silkroads or KTS, but these will have to do for the time being. I really need to get a pic of where I'm rubbing.

dct223
03-22-2006, 01:56 PM
Yeah, I realize that. I'd really like to get some Silkroads or KTS, but these will have to do for the time being. I really need to get a pic of where I'm rubbing.

ride on other forms of 8/6 and u will see what kidynomite is talking about... if u think megan is stiff then ur in for a whole different experience

also if ur rubbing your fender wells... get a torch... heat it up and bang it out where u rub

SimpleS14
03-22-2006, 02:12 PM
Sorry for been a hater but please don't quote all the pics..:duh:


I agree....its very ANNOYING when someone quotes all the pics when they really don't have to.

joecar
03-22-2006, 03:11 PM
Pics from this past weekend

Ive got KTS coils 2 collars removed from the front and about 2 fingers of gap between the spring and the top seat. I get a nice boing, going in and out of my driveway when it seats.

http://www.d-faction.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/LRPMar18RT07.jpg

http://www.d-faction.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/LRPMar18RT06.jpg

mr_240sx
03-22-2006, 03:52 PM
hey mr 240sx which front bumper is that??? i actually like it lol.


like it was stated below your post.... it is the full c-west kit

Dorifto89
03-22-2006, 09:49 PM
I agree....its very ANNOYING when someone quotes all the pics when they really don't have to.

Poor newbie don't know how to work da intranet. Solly Cholly.

PLus it's such a clean ride, you just had to see it twice!

Dorifto89
03-22-2006, 09:50 PM
To make it worse I accidently double posted.

Perma ban to the max.

TokyoNights
03-23-2006, 08:44 AM
here dorifto, Im going lower!
http://www.d-faction.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/driftlimerock%20028.jpg


What % tint you using... Ive got 5% all around and 20% upfront... Sucks for night drifts or rainy slides, but sweet for pics...

Limo on the back 2 or 5%? and like 15 on the fronts,,i dunno.
it hides me not having interior

sittinsideways
03-23-2006, 09:04 AM
is that a legit tint w. the local laws? or who even cares?

illl car bro. wish i could have gotten to see it when it was together

hows the kat setup runnin? blow this motor yet?

Marcos
03-23-2006, 09:44 AM
Limo on the back 2 or 5%? and like 15 on the fronts,,i dunno.
it hides me not having interior

Nah... Ive got 5% on all the windows except the windshield. Ive got 20% on the windshield.... Cars looking good though bro..

usdm180sx
03-23-2006, 10:16 AM
http://www.aspecproducts.com/forums/zilvia/work/banner03.jpg

oh shit son, 18s on all 4s 1 year ago? been there done that, drive your car hard enough and low enough and you'll want 17 fronts. ahem.

Sorry, not feelin' the kai's. Like it says on your sig: The new fn's

TokyoNights
03-23-2006, 04:38 PM
is that a legit tint w. the local laws? or who even cares?

illl car bro. wish i could have gotten to see it when it was together

hows the kat setup runnin? blow this motor yet?
its illegal but so is everything else on the car so who cares ?
havent blown this one yet

genetic
03-23-2006, 05:02 PM
It was real BN, thing went flying in 3 pieces
Im gonna glass it back together its not that bad
http://static.flickr.com/55/114938645_b003710a72_m.jpg
and get the sides and rear propably replicas haha

BN is freakin boss man

but i dont think they make a replica rear, at least not for the coupe.

but anyways bnsports is the shit.

sittinsideways
03-23-2006, 06:40 PM
its illegal but so is everything else on the car so who cares ?
havent blown this one yet


rite on.

lets hope this one lasts alil while ehh?