Zenn lowering springs s14

[s13pignose]

Anyone heard of or use these springs. Suppose to give a 1.8" drop, and the price suits me better than the tanabe df210, but if I had to, I can fork out the cash IF necessary.

I asked about the df210 before, and a couple people on here said I will at least need toe arms and RUCAs. So is it safe to say I will need em for these springs since the drop is supposedly the same.

Also I sent my ebay toe arms and RUCAS back. I wish I had read the horror stories I did before I got em lol, but losing out on 25 bucks plus shipping is better than losing my car or my life.

So what are some reasonably priced RUCAS and toe arms with ENGLISH detailed instructions. When I say reasonable, I mean price vs what you get out of quality. English instructions and self lubricating/teflon heim joints (without boots) are a must this time.

I also assume that i won't be able to run any struts short of agx's for a 1.8 drop right?
Thanks

[s13pignose]

Okay well I take it no one is familiar, so I know to stay away. Okay well I'm also considering intrax springs aswell, they seem to be about the lowest I could find. I have all the same questions above for these too.

Just so I don't have to bug you guys on every spring I consider, what would you say is low enuff to require RUCAS and toe arms. That way I won't have to ask if you think I need em for every spring I see. What do you think of the ones by peak performance? I think I saw them on driftfactory.com

[TokyoNights]

get coilovers,stop dicking around
there is plenty of toe adjustment in the stock arms
RUCA battleversion,spl,peak whatevers clever
you dont need instructions to install these, if YOU do, pay someone to do it

[s13pignose]

See this is whats frustrating. I'm trying to get things here and there for when summer rolls around. I planned to get wheels, but haven't found any yet. I'm thinking if I get those I won't have money to lower, unless maybe I go with springs and not coilovers. Or I could get the wheels and wait on suspension I guess.

Kinda wanted a drop and wheels, but looks like I might not can have my cake and eat it to. Also what offset should I start with when looking at wheels. I went to one shop, and the guy had one set as a special but said offset might be to high, cause they were 40 I think. He said they may be tucked in. I guess a lesser the offset sticks em out to the fender more and keeps em from rubbin suspension? I need to find a wheel size that won't kill me when it comes time for new tires. All I need is just some nicer wheels, maybe slightly deep dish (if I can afford). I don't drift or autocross. My car is pretty much a daily and a weekend cruiser.

[ThatGuy]

You need to read...ALOT. Suspension options and wheel sizes have all been covered in-depth here on Zilvia.net. Yes +40mm offset sucks, and would be more sunk then the Titanic. Check out the "What Wheel Specs Does Everyone Have" Thread. That should give you a good idea of where to start.

[s13pignose]

I mean I don't neeed anything extreme or stretching tires and all that. All I'm looking for is something that won't hit or rub suspension on fenders (when lowered), and has maybe a 1-1/2 or 2" lip. So know only question is what width and offset will do that for me. Also with out rolling fenders

Guy at the shop mentioned staggered fit, but I want the option of rotating tires. Plus I don't like the look. I like it the same all the way around.

[OptionZero]

You need to read...ALOT. Suspension options and wheel sizes have all been covered in-depth here on Zilvia.net. Yes +40mm offset sucks, and would be more sunk then the Titanic. Check out the "What Wheel Specs Does Everyone Have" Thread. That should give you a good idea of where to start.

^^^^ ^^^^^^^^

[axiomatik]

we can't tell you what size/spec wheels to get. go look through one of the many wheel threads, look at the pictures, see what you like, and if the info isn't in the post, PM the owner and ask. simple.

[94cc0rd]

yup... check out the picture thread.. and the suspension/wheels threads and look for what you like.

as for the guy who said stop dicking around and get coilovers, there is no point for this guy to get coilovers if he isn't gonna track his car occasionally. a decent spring/shock combo is more than enough for daily driving and the occasional spirited driving.

as for intrax springs, stay away from them. I bought my car with these springs on them and I didn't like how they sat and how bouncy the ride was. they were coupled with kyb gr2 in the rear and tokico blue (i think) in the front.

Look into eibach pro-kit or sportline.. or tein h or s-tech. but definately read up on the threads that cover this topic.

[axiomatik]

^^^^I agree, eibach pro-kit (especially coupled with kyb agx) are very good. Very controlled, good drop, and the agx's provide good damping adjustability. Why look! There's a link to a used set for sale that's in excellent condition in my sig! How convenient. Seriously, I'm not just saying that because I have a set for sale, I really have been very pleased with them,.selling them because I plan on significant track time this year and decided to get some coilovers. And you don't need to run adjustable toe arms or rucas for a 2 inch drop.

Also, you aren't likely to find good wheels at a local shop, though I don't know where you are located. Check out the advertiser's specials forum, there are some really good deals going on for some nice wheels. But don't rush into buying wheels before you are certain on the width and offset you want, because you don't want to drop a bunch of money on wheels that you end up being unhappy with. Be aware that some wheels look drastically different depending on the width/offset combination, for example Work Emotions

[s13pignose]

See now you understanding where I'm coming from. My car will never ever see a track, drag, autocross, you name it. I don't really get into tracks.

So I'm thinking coilovers will be overkill. Thanks for the heads up on the intrax. Still no one knows about the zenn springs? Only thing about the df210, I read on here a story or 2 about them being uneven settling.

So right now the only thing I can say for sure is that I want at least a 1.8 drop mainly for the look, since I don't demand superior handling. It seems safe to say that I need AGX for what ever springs give me that, and also the toe arms and rucas.

Yeah I'm thinking the hsop I went to isn't gonna help much. They don't have many options. Oh yeah I have a zenki, the username was a mistake lol.

[OptionZero]

sell the 240?

[s13pignose]

No chance in hell, sorry :)

[24Dee]

The DF210 and the Sportlines do leave the rear of the car sitting slightly higher then the front. Megan Racing makes springs for the s14 and the car sits as close to even as i've seen on springs.

I've learned that although my car is just like yours inregards to use, that c/o's aren't really over kill. Certain lines of c/o's are but not all. Eventually you'll want to make adjustments for unforseen reasons. If all you are looking for is up to a 1.5 to 2" drop, check out the Tanabe's S-0C's c/o's with the helper springs (if you need to, these can be removed at a later time to get even lower - just a suggestion but not really a smart idea Tanabe says). They're not much more then you'd be spending with springs / agx and are valved better for street use then most of the of the mainstream track/drift c/o's people use. They also have slightly higher spring rates (6/4) then the DF210's do. These don't 'slam' the car but will lower it about as low as you can get on the springs you've mentioned, while still being adjustable. Also, just because certain brands advertise certain rates, some of them can provide you with custom valving and custom spring rates to make the ride more suited for a DD.

If you're really balling though and can afford 2k for for a setup, the Zeal Function Xs or the Whiteline Group 4 c/o's are all perfect c/o's for the street but definitely not the kind you'd use on the track or for drifting....

Like I said, although my car is soley a daily driver, I've chose to hold off on the springs/shocks setup until I can take a ride in some 240s athat are equiped with aftermarket setups before I make such a large and important purchase like this.. Despite all i've written, the best advice I can give you is to find a way to take a few rides in cars that are equiped with aftermarket springs/shocks and go from there......




Good Luck....

[OptionZero]

if you're daily driving and not committed enough then you're making things far more complicated by adding RUCAs and such to the equation...not to mention pillowball mounts degrade ride quality.

[s13pignose]

well I was only bringing them up cause I figured springs and agx might be enuff, but maybe coilovers are the only option.

So I know megans have camber plates, so then for the rear, all i need is rucas and toe arms.

As far as wheel flushness, juding from some other s14s I've seen here, I don't want the edge of the lips past the fenders, even the slightest. Now I know you guys can't help me, but tell me if I'm thinking realistic.

I want 17" wheels, with a width and offset just wide enough for about a 2" lip, and the lips are almost right behind the fender (not flush with). I want to have the least width possible, to cut costs on wider tires. Don't want staggered cause I hate the look, and not being able to rotate.

So I guess I really gotta do my homework and keep my eyes open for wheels and coilovers.

[24Dee]

well I was only bringing them up cause I figured springs and agx might be enuff, but maybe coilovers are the only option.

So I know megans have camber plates, so then for the rear, all i need is rucas and toe arms.

As far as wheel flushness, juding from some other s14s I've seen here, I don't want the edge of the lips past the fenders, even the slightest. Now I know you guys can't help me, but tell me if I'm thinking realistic.

I want 17" wheels, with a width and offset just wide enough for about a 2" lip, and the lips are almost right behind the fender (not flush with). I want to have the least width possible, to cut costs on wider tires. Don't want staggered cause I hate the look, and not being able to rotate.

So I guess I really gotta do my homework and keep my eyes open for wheels and coilovers.

Also, realize that camber plates will aid in a more harsher ride, for someone like you, stock rubber mounts might be best. Also, how low are you going? If your not going for an all out slam, then camber plates might not even be necessary, eccentric camber bolts would more then likely be enough.

As for all that wheel sizing crap, go through that picture thread as well as that "how low can you go" thread..... look around and pm the owners of the s14s you like for sizing and styles that you like. Or you could also do more homework, find out what the stock s14 sizing and offset is and check out the offset calculator....

btw : did you even read my advice about taking rides in s14s with aftermarket suspensions? You can read every opinion and review under the sun, but the only way YOU will know what YOU like is by experiencing them.

[24Dee]

Here are a few pics of the springs and also of a size/offset that you may want to use in your decision(s).

Megan Racing springs.... I believe those are 18" rims
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f283/Buffad/s14meganspring.jpg

Tanabe DF210 again
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f283/Buffad/s14df210.jpg


17x9 +20 wheels on a somewhat slammed s14
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f283/Buffad/17x920b.jpg

[s13pignose]

Hmm I might wait on coilovers. The df210 don't drop as low as I hoped. I guess I want slamed, because I have no lip or side skirts on my zenki.


If I find a pic of a s14 with the stance and wheel setup I like I'll post then.

Thanks for all your help

[s13pignose]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/ScooterS14/wheels/DSCN0451.jpg

RBS14 I think it was. Found this pic of the car, I did PM them. I like the drop, almost what I want but a tad higher just for daily drivng.

I asked if the fenders were rolled or not. Point is I wanna at least tuck the tires in up under the fenders about that much. However I would like the lip just slightly bigger, I do mean slightly.

So I just gotta wait on the pm. So know all I need to determine is what width and offset will give me the lip depth I want, but still let me tuck the tires as pictured with out rolling the fenders.

[24Dee]

RBS14 I think it was. Found this pic of the car, I did PM them. I like the drop, almost what I want but a tad higher just for daily drivng.

I asked if the fenders were rolled or not. Point is I wanna at least tuck the tires in up under the fenders about that much. However I would like the lip just slightly bigger, I do mean slightly.

So I just gotta wait on the pm. So know all I need to determine is what width and offset will give me the lip depth I want, but still let me tuck the tires as pictured with out rolling the fenders.


While being that low definitely looks good and all (and I just mention looks because it's obvious you aren't really concerned with the performance side of being that low), unless the streets you drive on everyday have little to no imperfections, you are going to find that a dd that low won't be very practical or comfortable for that matter....

Unfortunately there really is no happy medium between achieving that tucked/slammed looked while still achieving comfort that is suitable for a daily driver.

[s13pignose]

Wheel maybe not exactly that low. Lets just say low enough for the the top of the sidewall to be hidden under/behind the fender. I don't need it lowered all the way down to the lip like that though lol.

I do really like the drop, but I realize it may be a lil extreme.

[axiomatik]

It's interesting that you picked RBS14's car, one of THE lowest cars on zilvia, considering you were looking at lowering springs. That's probably a 5 or 6 inch drop, you'll never get near that with lowering springs.

[s13pignose]

Yeah I know, thats why I'm thinking about the coilovers. Dang I wouldn't have thought it was that big of a drop. I can scrape at stock height sometimes lol.

Anyway guyz I might have found what I'm looking for. Now the only question is how will it look in 17" and a different wheel (but with a lip obviously)

mello88
"This is what SSR 16x8 +26mm offset will get you:"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/mello88/DSC04785.jpg

Tape measure says it all. Hit the nail on the head. This is what I would love to achieve with 17's but in a diff wheel. Does me wanting 17's and different wheels change things or will the 26mm offset still give that 2" lip. To be honest I was looking at 17x7.5 wheels with a much higher offset till I learned better, only because I wanted beefier tires for the rear. Nothing real big, since my driving doesn't require tons of grip. Just wanted a more aggressive look, but at a reasonable price.

Now I'm just wondering if I get coilovers would I have to pull or roll fenders on my zenki for something like this. BTW you only need spacers when the wheels rub the suspensnion or when you want them more flush with the fender?

[24Dee]

Have you even checked this thread out yet? http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=82859

[s13pignose]

I've done searches for wheels b4, but never seen that. Thanx!

[s13pignose]

Reality is starting to sit in and I don't know if I want to go that low. I've read good things about swift springs and I hear they are light and used by a lot of teams in japan.

Anyone have pics of them on a s14. They are the hardest springs to find pics of, and yes I search. Here and on a couple other forums.

They don't seem low enough to need rucas or toe arms, or am I incorrect. Also would they require agx, or could you get by with HPs or something on that level?