Bent my toe links! From being to low?

[TokyoNights]

My toe links bottomed out against the subframe collars, I dont know when or how but I just noticed this today.
Take a look at this shit
http://www.d-faction.com/pictures/mike/janky%20shit%201.JPG
other side
http://www.d-faction.com/pictures/mike/janky%20shit%202.JPG
The links are bent and have gouges in them, the subframe collars have a big ass chunk missing.
I know there are people out there lower than me and I never heard of this problem. WTF!?

[McRussellPants]

SPL Revised their design to account for this. Give em a call.

[Dousan_PG]

my spl ones wre cool till the alighnment shop jacked up on them

other then that i have NO BENDS NO CRACKS

u get what u pay for imo
spl has never let me down!!!!

[HyperTek]

is that battle version or kazama??

Answer = get bigger rims!!!

edit: wait nvm,.. get smaller rims!! lower ur car via profile instead of suspension lol

[brainfood]

that sucks. solid bushings instead of collars would give a little more room

[TokyoNights]

They are battleversion but its not the links that are janky ANY link would have bent if it bottomed out against the subframe mount like that. Look at that big chip missing from the subframe mount.

[andrewmp6]

well theres only 3 real fixes raise the car up or run bigger rims or get the soild mounts and pray it dont happen again

[TokyoNights]

I dont see how bigger rims would change anything, they raise the car up but suspension travel is still the same. I have 17s.
Solid mounts are such a bitch to install damn this sucks :-/

[brainfood]

Or readjust your toe and run them like that they are already notched for you :)

[KOUKI KA-T]

that sucks. solid bushings instead of collars would give a little more room

x2
I swapped out my collars for poly Z32 subframe bushings.
More solid feeling than collars, not as crazy as solid aluminum, or as hard to install.
gives about 3/4" more clearance from the toe link than collars.

[chmercer]

get the SPL links, they have already accounted for this problem.

[sideview_180sx]

Dood that sucks, my subframe spacers don't push the NVH bushing outwards. that's really wierd, more people should check the toe links to see if this is more problematic.

[Flybert]

Let's see a pic of the car. How low is it?

[HyperTek]

man super dupper low is stupid!! raise the car.. your probably throwing off geometry anyways..?

[NI_YON_Zenki]

Looks like you need to adjust your camber from that shot of the RUCA
pitched kinda high from what I see, are your coils suspension bottomed out in the rear as well?

[dct223]

wow...... i just looked at mine and i have a lot of room.... i have a s14 though, slamed on tein he's, subframe collars... yeah... I just took my car to SF last weekend with bumps everywhere... never hit... not even at a drift event...

blown shocks?

http://dygertsucks.home.comcast.net/hellaroom.jpg

[Cronic]

check your tie rods as well if you are running non adjustable ends(ie. stock/tein) they may be maxed out.

[sideview_180sx]

man super dupper low is stupid!! raise the car.. your probably throwing off geometry anyways..?

For the uneducated, once a car has its static ride height lowered from factory specs. The geometry is always off. Which is why arms are made to bring the geometry back to stock as possible while maintaining the lower ride height.

[brainfood]

do you have spacers above the subframe? i just have spacers on the bottom. Try removing the uppers

[HyperTek]

well the car is obiously tooo low since it doesnt have enough suspension travel to compress without suspension binding, arms/links cant solve that.

Even different subframe collars wouldnt help, just looks like the impact was hard , think half a inch woulda cleard it? no way.

[brainfood]

well the car is obiously tooo low since it doesnt have enough suspension travel to compress without suspension binding, arms/links cant solve that.

Even different subframe collars wouldnt help, just looks like the impact was hard , think half a inch woulda cleard it? no way.

I agree my s14 is one of the highest lowered cars at most drift events but if I go any lower my camber curve gets all fux0red and I tear up my outside shoulders on the front even with -2.6 camber
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f399/brainfood1182/Falken%20Hanabi/IMG_0257.jpg

And yes I have all the adjustable arms except lca's and a proper race alignment with corner balance. I wont go any lower unless I get a set. But at close to $1500 for the set its not worth it for me to go 1/2" or so lower :) Plus as it is now the car doesnt scrape everywhere since it is daily driven.

[sideview_180sx]

I notice the car is resting on tires, have you been lowering the car using the lower mounts or the spring perch primarily. If you were using the spring perch, you were eliminating shock travel and probably were using minimal shock travel, if you went that route. I agree with the other guys in using the upper subframe inserts. the bottom only pieces are just half ass.

[TokyoNights]

Flybert Ill take some new pics when I get the car back together.
And to clear some stuff up
I would be lying if I said thegeometry wasnt a little faacked but I had it like this for a long time and im used to it, I like it. If I ever get LCAs that will fix the binding.
the rear camber is fine, set at 1.25. Yes the rear coilovers are bottomed out and collars removed for the extra low.
The tie rods are fine I have bump steer adjustable ends using the big spacer.
I do have the subframe spacer collars above the subframe too, I dont know if removing these would give enough clearence.
The car is not resting on tires Its up on 4 jackstands with no wheels on it, doesnt even have an engine or trans in it . If it was on the ground there would be even less clearence there :ugh:

What I want to know is if spl redesigned their rods what did they do? Are they banana shaped? they dropped the brackets? On their webside they look like regular links. How are the "revised"ones different

[Dousan_PG]

oops.............

[McRussellPants]

What I want to know is if spl redesigned their rods what did they do? Are they banana shaped? they dropped the brackets? On their webside they look like regular links. How are the "revised"ones different


Those are the old ones.

The new ones have the outter bracket is shaped to lower the rod down.

Its not much, but in all likely hood it may be the one CM you need to bottom your wheel out before the toe link hits the subframe

[BattleVersion]

Bending the toe links is actually more common then people would think. Almost every time, its on an S13 with those 2 peice subframe spacers and an extreamly lowered car or soft spring rates. The problem comes from the washers on the subframe that the s13's have, notice how they are cupped and sit rather low. Then adding the subframe spacers lower them down even more. That causes the suspension arms to have less travel space.

The easiest way to fix that problem is to cut or bend those washers to give yourself the suspension travel you need. I usually just bend the end of the washers out of the way using a big plier.

TokyoNights, Email me with your shipping address and I'll give you a total for the aluminum sections. [email protected]

[kazuo]

TokyoNights,

What coils/rates do you have?

For reference...

Alex: Can you post pics to more clearly illustrate what you speak of?

I dont want this shit to happen to me, so I'm gonna cut 'em.

[Flybert]

I just checked my rear suspension and mine hit too. I have greg dupree subframe spacers and they are thick and only go on the bottom. I just installed some tanabe sways and 8K springs out back so I doubt it will happen again but.....I just lowered the car a little more so we'll see if it hits. I have some SPL style ones and I'm going to try these out soon but it looks like you have those as well. Might have to go through the whole process of putting new bushings in the subframe. FUCKING SUCKS!!!!

[l33tmonkeyman]

i have the spl full aluminum bushings on my s13 and its slammed. i will check to see how much clearance i have and whether or not i hit when i go outside

Edit: just checked mine, and i have nothing hitting. i am running it at lowest possible with KTS coils.

[Nostradamus]

It's this car...

http://www.d-faction.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_goldcoupe.jpg
http://www.d-faction.com/pictures/mike/goldcoupesmall.jpg

MR Coils so Spring Rates= 8kg Front and 6kg Rear