Best shock and struts for a S13 W/SR20DET?

[solomonandfree]

I have a S13 Coupe W/SR20DET and i just blew my stock shock and struts and i was wondering what shock and struts were best for my car?

I have looked into KYB AGX w/ TEIN S. TECH Spring but i wasnt sure if it could handle the SR20DET?

I dont know much plzzzz help me.

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Thank You Guys

[OptionZero]

you should never have swapped in a turbo engine if you still had stock suspension

at this point, no suspension will "handle the SR20DET" for you because clearly you haven't done nearly enough research into your build.

[S13 Charlie]

You can buy my used KYB AGX and Eibach Pro-kit springs from me for $350 with the upper spring seats. i.e. Super-easy install, no need to deal with spring compressors. I'll have them available this weekend most likely. PM if you're interested. This setup is sporty, yet comfortable for daily driving.

cheers,
C

[solomonandfree]

so... what shock and strut can handle it? plzzz help me i dont know much

[RPS13_SR20DET]

ur sr20det is not gonna affect ur suspension anyways so kyb and any other brand should be fine. as for chosing which spring and shocks setup it really depends on what you want. search around you will find tons of treads discussing different suspension setup

[ALTRNTV]

you should never have swapped in a turbo engine if you still had stock suspension

at this point, no suspension will "handle the SR20DET" for you because clearly you haven't done nearly enough research into your build.

Silvias came stock with SR20's and stock suspension. They handled the "turbo engine" pretty well.

[ka_kid]

look into the nismo s-tune, shock and springs are matched, which is a big plus.

[bcrume]

I'ts really hard to make a bad spring, tein is fine. If you can afford it, get a good set of coilovers. Power is nothing without control.

[OptionZero]

Silvias came stock with SR20's and stock suspension. They handled the "turbo engine" pretty well.

Yeah, too bad he didn't buy a Silvia (that came with *better* stock suspension, brakes, tires, and differential).

If your first move is to buy an SR and you follow that up by asking what "shock/strut" to buy, then clearly you don't have a clue what you're doing.

[bcrume]

The japanese s13 came with all the same stuff we got except for tires and the motor. The le model got the vlsd here. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[solomonandfree]

what type of driving do you plan to do?

I am Daily driving and AutoX and Touge

What is more important to you, a comfortable daily ride, or extreme handling?

Everything

How much do you want to spend?

Just enough for good shock and struts

Is adjustability an issue for you?

Yes

What are the road conditions like in your area?

Half smooth and Half Rough

Would haveing KYB GR2 shock and strut on front and Two KYB AGX adjustables with Eibach Prokit springs make a difference?

[RB26Sileighty]

Yeah, too bad he didn't buy a Silvia (that came with *better* stock suspension, brakes, tires, and differential).

If your first move is to buy an SR and you follow that up by asking what "shock/strut" to buy, then clearly you don't have a clue what you're doing.

what are you talking about...tons of people get the sr swap first...:duh:

[solomonandfree]

Thanks For backing me up RB26 ^_^

[quach]

The japanese s13 came with all the same stuff we got except for tires and the motor. The le model got the vlsd here. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

i have an LE and it didnt have a vlsd. the super hicas models got the vlsd here.

in my opinion all the springs that circle around the price range of 150-220 like the tein S tech and eibach prokit/sportline have similar spring rates and are pretty much the same. match them with kyb agx and theyre all gonna feel similar. if you are gonna get a spring/strut combo with plans of upgrading in the future then i recommend just buying a cheap combo. by the time you invest in a combination that is really good (such as the rsr race springs/agx combo with camber plates and everything) then you might as well spend the extra dollar and get coilovers.

the suspension setup ive been learning on is tein s techs on kyb gr2's. of course they feel underdamped and i could have gotten an MUCH better suspension, but i only spent around 300 dollars. after having juxtaposed a friends 240 riding on stock suspension with my car like an hour ago in the mountains, ive decided that my suspension is a worlds difference for the amount of money i spent on it. get a cheap combo that appears to fit what you like, drive that for a while and become more in tune to your driving style and preferences and upgrade to something that favors you.

this is just my opinion on things. i hope it helps.

[RB26Sileighty]

if i were you i would check out this place called...splparts.com
they carry the kts coilover kit which runs about $1100 and is very versital to what ever your intrested in...

[bluuuurr]

I am Daily driving and AutoX and Touge


Would haveing KYB GR2 shock and strut on front and Two KYB AGX adjustables with Eibach Prokit springs make a difference?

I hope you have good insurance Touge boy :down:


But to answer your suspension question.. the gr2's aren't designed for a heavier spring rate, imo they are worse than stock. Also if you put them in the front, your gonna be fighting snap oversteer. Don't cheap out, put AGX's on all four corners

[ALTRNTV]

Just get a good set of coilovers, some suspension links, and upgraded rotors, pads, and SS brake lines. Call it a day.

The japanese s13 came with all the same stuff we got except for tires and the motor.

Correct, but weren't the brakes bigger too? I know 180sx calipers are bigger than 240sx calipers.

[OptionZero]

I maintain that swapping in an SR while asking questions such as his is a stupid move.

The S14 came with 300ZX brakes, not sure about S13 or specific suspension variations.

In any case, the brand spankin new silvia came with the SR; this is hardly the same as someone putting a turbo engine in an aging, unmaintained chassis when he is still clueless about car setup.

[tErbo b00st]

www.stancesus.com is the only way to go. Contact www.tougefactory.com to purchase them.

IMHO buying springs and shocks is a waste of time and money. Save up a little bit and buy full coilovers. It makes a world of difference, and imo suspension is the most important part of any car.

[g6civcx]

If you want cheap coilovers, Megan Racing for under $900 new. Pretty good quality for the money. If you have more to spend, then you can look at the recommendations above.

[dct223]

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some funny shit... no offence to you jon..., but how your saying that a usdm 240 with stock suspension cant handle a SR is basically like me saying... since i dont have an SR...my car cant handle drifting... because... i lack power??? or something stupid like that...

yes i agree with you that the original poster asked a stupid question and should get more knowledge about cars in general before getting a SR swap.. but what you said in my opinion is just rediculous... (btw solomon.. yes that setup is fine for ur SR, but keep options open for suspension depending what you want to do.. ie drift, grip, auto x etc...)

silvias did came with bigger brakes, and some sort of LSD... but its not like "OMG I PUT IN A TURBO ENGINE IN MY 240!!! MY SMALL 1 PISTON BRAKES DONT WORK ANYMORE...." or like... "CRAP BECAUSE I HAVE A OPEN DIFF... I DONT GO ANYWHERE BECAUSE THE UNGODLY POWER OF THE SR ONLY PUTS POWER TO 1 WHEEL AND I DO A CONSTANT BURN OUT..."

and for the last part... what about the aging unmaintained chassis with STOCK SR's in japan? im sure there are plenty of those... soon going to be front clips for people on this forum...

[ALTRNTV]

^
Took the words right out of mouth.

[KwKouki]

if you are stuck on a shock/spring combo I highly recommend kyb agx shocks with espelir active super down springs. I loved my setup and handled anything I did.

[OptionZero]

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some funny shit... no offence to you jon..., but how your saying that a usdm 240 with stock suspension cant handle a SR is basically like me saying... since i dont have an SR...my car cant handle drifting... because... i lack power??? or something stupid like that...

yes i agree with you that the original poster asked a stupid question and should get more knowledge about cars in general before getting a SR swap.. but what you said in my opinion is just rediculous... (btw solomon.. yes that setup is fine for ur SR, but keep options open for suspension depending what you want to do.. ie drift, grip, auto x etc...)

silvias did came with bigger brakes, and some sort of LSD... but its not like "OMG I PUT IN A TURBO ENGINE IN MY 240!!! MY SMALL 1 PISTON BRAKES DONT WORK ANYMORE...." or like... "CRAP BECAUSE I HAVE A OPEN DIFF... I DONT GO ANYWHERE BECAUSE THE UNGODLY POWER OF THE SR ONLY PUTS POWER TO 1 WHEEL AND I DO A CONSTANT BURN OUT..."

and for the last part... what about the aging unmaintained chassis with STOCK SR's in japan? im sure there are plenty of those... soon going to be front clips for people on this forum...


No, I disagree with the notion of paying several thousand dollars to swap a turbo engine into a used S-chassis with many many miles and many many other things to fix.

From his question, it's fairly obvious the original poster isn't that knowledgeable about 240sx's or cars in general. It's a reasonable assumption then, that he bought the S13 due to the hype, put the SR in it as one of the first "mods", paying a healthy amount of money (because he heard it was jdm tyte), and now he's looking to "lower the car" and no doubt head off to the street drags and race hondas.

It's also agreed upon that maintanence/repair first,upgrade second is the way to go, and I am certain that this poster has done little in the way of fixing the other areas of the car, leaks, rust, such.

I'm also a firm believer in what R240NA/RDM said on freshalloy:
make it safe, then make it fast.

This poster likely doesn't know how to drive, and his car is probably equipped with the same crappy brakes and similarly crappy tires that the car came with in the factory OVER A DECADE AGO. But hey, it'll be easier to "drift" when you're runnning on bald tires.

I have no problem with swapping in a turbo engine; the problem is swapping in a turbo engine before your *particular* chassis is capable.

Hey, original poster, are you still running the stock 240sx exhaust, too?

[VIPCefiro]

Easy on the newbie! Damn, I guess sometimes people can be a little harsh. I know it may be easy to be discouraged by remarks on the board solomon, but at the same time you have to understand that a lot of us when we were newbies were flamed as well. I guess that's part of the deal when you join. kekekke. Anyway, keep in mind that a lot of us also are very passionate about our rides, and get offended by 'wannabes'. Since you are apparantly a newbie, spend some time reading FAQs and just reading posts. Search function is always handy, I'm sure there have been threads posted about this.

My 2 cents. save your money and get coilovers. . megan racing coilovers have been known to be a good bang for your buck. Tein is popular, they have many different sets of coilovers, so make sure to pick based on what type of driving you wanna do. If you have some dough and want something that not toooo many people have, I know silk road coilovers are sexy. . . damn, with a name like that, how can they not be smooth? KEKEKEKE.

and btw, welcome to the boards. :)

[Yuri]

The stock suspension is extremly capable of handling the SR. It's not like the SR is some weapon of mass destruction that will tear your car apart the first time you step on the gas. It's more a matter of what the driver can handle, and what they feel safe with. 3 years ago, when i did my SR swap, I drove my car around for months with only an SR and VLSD, with blown OEM shocks and springs. I even placed second at a drift competition with that setup. Why run oem suspension? Because I interned in california and lived in the midwest. I knew I could order coilovers online, but at that time, anyone who knew anything about installing SR's lived in california, so I decided to do that while on the west coast and take care of the easier to get coils later. I'm tired of ppl on here placing the SR on a pedestal, basically telling new enthusiasts that "they are not worthy of the almighty SR20." IT'S AN OEM ENGINE, DESIGNED FOR THE S13 FOR USE WITH FACTORY COMPONANTS! As
for all the wannabes that are snapping up 240's like Yugi-oh cards, we've been seeing this ever since D1 came to the US. We all have to deal with it anyway, so why not be helpful guides to those that have the motivation to actually come to us for help? The more newbs we can set on the right path from the beginning, the less we'll see down the road running stock ride height with GT-wings.

[OptionZero]

Yes, you're brilliant for installing an SR before replacing blown springs and struts.

We should all do that.


do you really think this kid is smart for droppin in an SR when he can't even figure out what do to with his own suspension? honestly?

[Yuri]

At the time, I planned on replacing the shocks and struts and getting an SR.
To someone living in California, where you can easily get an SR at any time back then, the suspension would have been the better thing to go with first. But as I said before, back when I did this, I was living in the midwest, and at the time, there weren't any places I could have a swap done out there, whereas I could just go online and order coillovers. So I felt that while I was on the west coast for that short period of time, it would be best to do the SR swap while I could. I wasn't suggesting that everyone should keep blown oem shocks, just that from my own experiance that using that setup wasn't any big deal.
As for not knowing about what suspension setup to use, he's trying to get everyone's input on what he should do. In this case, I think it's the right direction, he's admitting that he has no knowledge on the subject matter, and he's doing something to rectify it. Some people care more about enjoying their cars than just sitting around all day comparing suspensions. Who cares if he got an SR first? Everyone has different priorities.

As for what I use, I've got some old Tein HE's I bought new, but I would prefer some Tanabe DD's or silk roads.
As for springs and shocks, I've had good experiances with tein S-techs, but not as a lowering spring, rather just to stiffen the suspension, and use with KYB's.

[AuburnRyan]

I'd recommend AGX/ tein S tech. (I have not had these). the loweing is perfect IMO (seach for some pics).

I'm currently runnign tein Flex and am happy. I've also had Tein Basic coilover which were fine as well, soild performance and not a jarring ride.
The only shock spring combo I've had on a 240sx were Tokico blue's with Blitz springs (not available in the US that I'm aware of). they were great!

[OptionZero]

At the time, I planned on replacing the shocks and struts and getting an SR.
To someone living in California, where you can easily get an SR at any time back then, the suspension would have been the better thing to go with first. But as I said before, back when I did this, I was living in the midwest, and at the time, there weren't any places I could have a swap done out there, whereas I could just go online and order coillovers. So I felt that while I was on the west coast for that short period of time, it would be best to do the SR swap while I could. I wasn't suggesting that everyone should keep blown oem shocks, just that from my own experiance that using that setup wasn't any big deal.
As for not knowing about what suspension setup to use, he's trying to get everyone's input on what he should do. In this case, I think it's the right direction, he's admitting that he has no knowledge on the subject matter, and he's doing something to rectify it. Some people care more about enjoying their cars than just sitting around all day comparing suspensions. Who cares if he got an SR first? Everyone has different priorities.

As for what I use, I've got some old Tein HE's I bought new, but I would prefer some Tanabe DD's or silk roads.
As for springs and shocks, I've had good experiances with tein S-techs, but not as a lowering spring, rather just to stiffen the suspension, and use with KYB's.

There have been more threads than anyone can count about every imaginable type of suspension from street to drift to track to autoX.

If your priority is a car that has trouble turning and stopping, then sure, do engine swaps first.

If you care about enjoying your car, than having a *working* suspension would be a higher priority than the engine. big power on balding tires, blown shocks, and worn brakes is the same as no power.

[dct223]

dude.... what is goin on here.. stop ethugging and being the suspension guru... everyone has their own paths on what they do to their car.... its a learning experience, EVERYONE has to start from somewhere... we arent all born with the same knowledge, we have too learn it, best way to learn is from your mistakes.. cus i know if i had to do it all over on the stuff ive done to my car, i would have gone in a different order...

yes... original poster probably one of those initial d fan boys who got a 240 and put in a SR so he couuld drift.... so what?? thats life... we cant control what people do with their $$$ although it makes us all irritated...

just chill man.. its just zilvia...

[ThatGuy]

Let's all calm down. This thread has gotten too far off track. While everyone may not agree with this individuals choice of priorities, let's not turn this into a witch hunt. Any more of this and I'll have to lock the Thread and change some screen name colors. I promise they'll either turn pink, or you won't see them anymore. :bow:

[meteorite_flo]

you should never have swapped in a turbo engine if you still had stock suspension

at this point, no suspension will "handle the SR20DET" for you because clearly you haven't done nearly enough research into your build.

haha that's a good one. i did the swap before any god damn mod on my car. had no problem driving the thing. then i get complaints from friends saying i need to drop it. so i did. bought tein type he's right away when they were fresh. now i see super drift and i'm like wtf? i should've had waited? haha

[meteorite_flo]

dude.... what is goin on here.. stop ethugging and being the suspension guru... everyone has their own paths on what they do to their car.... its a learning experience, EVERYONE has to start from somewhere... we arent all born with the same knowledge, we have too learn it, best way to learn is from your mistakes.. cus i know if i had to do it all over on the stuff ive done to my car, i would have gone in a different order...

yes... original poster probably one of those initial d fan boys who got a 240 and put in a SR so he couuld drift.... so what?? thats life... we cant control what people do with their $$$ although it makes us all irritated...

just chill man.. its just zilvia...

yeah i hella hate that initial d bandwagon bullcrap. and what makes it worse is fast and the furious is going into drifting? fuck i think i'm gonna go crazy. thank god i got my 240sx back in 99', and then got another in 02'. then now this......:barf: