Official announcement Tokyo, Skyline R35 GTR

[drift freaq]

http://www.freshalloy.com/site....e.shtml (http://www.freshalloy.com/site/cars/nissan/skyline/r35/concept/home.shtml)

Ok,I don't know about you guys but, to me this embodies the final combination if Z Car and Skyline that was bound to happen . It is all Nissan's commitment to bring their supercar to the world, with left hand drive.  This comes straight from Carlos Ghosn who is proving to be the doer Nissan needed.
We will see this car and I want one <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[drift freaq]

ok ya I forgot to add in my enthusiam that you need to scroll down to the lower end of the page and click were it says Skyline GTR news.

[AceInHole]

Umm... old news... &nbsp;and where does it say "Skyline GTR news" ??

[rotaryknight]

Interesting condidering the Skline GTR platform is already dead in Japan. &nbsp;The R34 Nur Spec were the last 1000 to be made and were all sold out the first day.

The GTR is comming to the US but it is not a Skyline GTR. &nbsp;The beautiful inline 6 that we all know and love has been scrapped.

It's a different plateform sad to say.

I did some research on this to see if it was worth it to purchase a R33 from MotoRex. &nbsp;Yea like I can afford a R34.....So with the insurance money I get from my FD comes a R33.

[transient]

It may be a new platform, but it's also going to have a new version of the ATESSA system, and all of the other things that made the R34 a great car. It would be pointless for them to scale the model back. The fact that it is a supercar is the thing that sold it.

I think they're planning on lightening it up a bit as well, which is definately a good thing.

[AceInHole]

yes... i would love to see Nissan continue using old engine blocks and platforms and sit on its ass and die.....

everytime something new comes up, someone always bitches about how the old stuff is so great......

[potatobbq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (transient @ May 21 2002,1:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It may be a new platform, but it's also going to have a new version of the ATESSA system, and all of the other things that made the R34 a great car. It would be pointless for them to scale the model back. The fact that it is a supercar is the thing that sold it.

I think they're planning on lightening it up a bit as well, which is definately a good thing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
It's not going to have ALL the other things that made the R34 a great car... &nbsp;Nissan is scrapping the RB26DETT inline 6 tt engine. &nbsp;Not that Nissan can't produce a new engine to improve on upon the RB26DETT, but I think Nissan's whole philosophy on the Skyline has shifted a bit. &nbsp;I've heard that Japan's emissions laws have changed so that the maximum horsepower a car is supposed to have is now 250 hp instead of 280 hp so instead of cars typically having 300+ hp being underrated at 280 hp, cars will likely have < 300 hp and be underrated at 250 hp. &nbsp;Also, they are now pushing for N/A cars to be produced which probably why a lot of the Japanese flagship supercars are dying...

[drifterX87]

Its not that we dont want ONE company to stop making the old Super cars, its that once one falls, they all fall. &nbsp;Look at the Supra. &nbsp;They are completely changing that into a gay ass roadster, not the supercar that it was in the early to late ninetees. &nbsp;

Mike

[AceInHole]

I'm guessing that the new GTR will be oh... say... 73% better than any RB26DETT powered GTR.

[potatobbq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ May 21 2002,5:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm guessing that the new GTR will be oh... say... 73% better than any RB26DETT powered GTR.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
"better?"... how did u come up with that 73%? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'> what kind of criteria are you using to come up with "better"? i don't necessarily think it will be better or worse, it will just be "different" from previous GTRs.

[onebadm5]

ooh, ooh, i get to be the first one to post this pic <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

http://members.roadfly.com/onebadm5/last.JPG

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (potatobbq @ May 20 2002,7:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ May 21 2002,5:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm guessing that the new GTR will be oh... say... 73% better than any RB26DETT powered GTR.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
"better?"... how did u come up with that 73%? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'> what kind of criteria are you using to come up with "better"? i don't necessarily think it will be better or worse, it will just be "different" from previous GTRs.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
4.5L = 73% bigger than 2.6L

[S13 Passion]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ May 21 2002,5:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm guessing that the new GTR will be oh... say... 73% better than any RB26DETT powered GTR.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
im sorry but i think the RB26DETT is one of the greatest engines in the world, in my opinion.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S13 Passion @ May 21 2002,12<!--emo&<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ May 21 2002,5:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm guessing that the new GTR will be oh... say... 73% better than any RB26DETT powered GTR.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
im sorry but i think the RB26DETT is one of the greatest engines in the world, in my opinion.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
If the RB was so great the R390 would have been an R260, but alas, Nissan decided to make their supercar out of the poor little VRH39 instead. Reason would dictate that if Nissan really wants to turn the GTR into a supercar (Viper/z06/Gt3/Murcielago/360M/youfrickinnameit--killer) they'll follow the same path and use a tuned v8, such as a performance version of the VK45, which already puts out a good 340bhp without being completely tuned for performance. Turbocharged, one could only imagine what that engine is capable of.

[misnomer]

hehe

Life goes on, engines become obsolete. Deal with it.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (misnomer @ May 21 2002,01:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hehe

Life goes on, engines become obsolete. Deal with it.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
people just don't want to evolve.... it's sad, really.

[wherezmytofu]

hahahah...that dude last month said it any every was like STFU...hahahahhahahahaha!

[wherezmytofu]

hahahah HELLL YAY "THE JAPANESE MUSCLE CAR!"

[drift freaq]

well first off most all of you have got bad attitude going on big time. Second off if you payed attention to my second post and scrolled to the bottom it says GTR news you click on that and it tells you the car will come with two engine options a V8!!! much like Ace was talking about and a V6 with two Horsepower estimates one at 400 NA (V8) the other at 300 NA (V6) on top of that this an official unveiling of the concept car marked by a backup statement by the President of the company about his commitment to carry out the concept. Which means indeed it will be a new chassis it will have new engines but it will still be a Supercar with all the right mods. You guys are the biggest losers when you fail to see that Nissan is delivering on the Promise they made with the 350z concept it turned into a real car and a awesome one at that.
Any chump out there that pooh poohs a 280 HP NA V6 is a an idiot and needs his head examined . He also knows nothing about automotive history i.e. a Ford 289 V8 was a 270 Hp engine a 302 was under 300 HP &nbsp;Fact is a V6 NA putting out 280 HP is a automotive feat period .
Now any of you idiots want make cracks about this being last weeks news proves you need to get off the net and get a life .
So you guys can go stuff it . I bring good news and you guys act like assholes

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drift freaq @ May 21 2002,01:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You guys are the biggest losers when you fail to see that Nissan is delivering on the Promise they made with the 350z concept it turned into a real car and a awesome one at that.
Any chump out there that pooh poohs a 280 HP NA V6 is a an idiot and needs his head examined . He also knows nothing about automotive history i.e. a Ford 289 V8 was a 270 Hp engine a 302 was under 300 HP Fact is a V6 NA putting out 280 HP is a automotive feat period .</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
baah..... i wrote that letter to SCC about that and they completely missed the point. &nbsp; aren't ignorant people wonderful??

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drift freaq @ May 21 2002,01:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So you guys can go stuff it . I bring good news and you guys act like assholes</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
calm down....u know the normal..."i instaled a nissan chip in my head so i can read up on nissan news in my mind while i shit" thanx for the post df &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[DSC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ May 20 2002,6:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Its not that we dont want ONE company to stop making the old Super cars, its that once one falls, they all fall. Look at the Supra. They are completely changing that into a gay ass roadster, not the supercar that it was in the early to late ninetees.

Mike</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The supra was a super car? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':but:'>

[potatobbq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ May 21 2002,11:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If the RB was so great the R390 would have been an R260, but alas, Nissan decided to make their supercar out of the poor little VRH39 instead. Reason would dictate that if Nissan really wants to turn the GTR into a supercar (Viper/z06/Gt3/Murcielago/360M/youfrickinnameit--killer) they'll follow the same path and use a tuned v8, such as a performance version of the VK45, which already puts out a good 340bhp without being completely tuned for performance. Turbocharged, one could only imagine what that engine is capable of.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
manufacturers don't necessarily run the same engines in their street cars as their race cars. &nbsp;mazda/autoexe runs a n/a 4 rotor car in lemans but you won't see any 4 rotor rx7s rolling around. &nbsp;just because nissan deosn't run the rb in their race car, doesn't mean it's not a great engine. &nbsp;a lot of times manufacturers will run new engines in their race cars for r&d purposes and a lot of times those engines never even see the engine bay of a production car... the rb is already a proven engine so there's no point or running it in lemans. &nbsp;obviously nissan is trying to come up with a better engine but even if they do, that doesn't take away from the fact that the rb26dett was a very good engine for a very long time.

[zephyr]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">im sorry but i think the RB26DETT is one of the greatest engines in the world, in my opinion.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

BAH
BMW M3- 330hp N/A I6 (THAT is impressive)

[Bbandit]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (zephyr @ May 22 2002,04:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">im sorry but i think the RB26DETT is one of the greatest engines in the world, in my opinion.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

BAH
BMW M3- 330hp N/A I6 (THAT is impressive)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

[drifterX87]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">4.5L = 73% bigger than 2.6L
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

So basically its going to be a dimestic with a Nissan bagde? &nbsp;I think that this is the begging to the death of the Inline-6. &nbsp;*taps starts to play in the backround as I walk off into the distance*

Mike

[nrcooled]

I think the reason that some are upset, including myself, is that we never really had a chance to experiece the old engine. &nbsp;Nissan gives us something new when we never had the old. &nbsp;I want to know what the RB DETT feels like at 800hp. &nbsp;I know there is no replacement for displacement but damn I would love to run that 2.6L but unless I win the lottery or start making a hell of a lot more money I will never beable to afford the R33 or R34. &nbsp;So my aspirations and expectations will once again be shattered.

More power to Nissan for coming to the US w/ a giant and not a giant killer <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[luey02]

There should be a law stating every production engine must be turbocharged.. &nbsp;there really isn't any downside to force induction on low boosts, it only increases eff. of the engine..

[rotaryknight]

First of all the RB26DETT STOCK was not an impressive motor....but the way that it took to modification was what made it great. &nbsp;When I drove a stock R32 and R33 they were not like "OMG this is the baddest thing in the world!"

The fact is that there are a lot of parts and the engine takes well to them. &nbsp;One of my friends has a R32(in california) with stock motor with just bolt-ons(DP, exhaust, IC, Air filter) controlled by a PFC.....12.2 1/4 mile.

But if NISSAN USA is bringing the new GTR to the US and not NISSAN Japan you bet for damn sure there will be a lack of part for it. &nbsp;Also just because it has more HP stock doesn't mean that it will take well to modification.

Look at the Honda S2000.....yea great car stock and good power but what more can you do to it? Nothing. &nbsp;The Comptech superchager costs 4k and adds 100hp giving you a wopping 0.1 faster in the 1/4....

Just because something is good out of the box doesn't mean that you can make it better and the fact that there may not be too many parts for it is another thing.

[KEIVmx]

The R32 GT-R was designed for the purpose of winning the Japanese Group A race series. Back in 1989, there were no other racing engine that had as much as 2.6 litres of displacement. This was key in the GT-R's early success. The car was virtually invincible. Therefore, a new racing league called the Japanese Grand Touring Car Championship was formed with stricter regulations that evened out the playing field for Nissan's lesser competitors.

Nissan did not change the design of the GT-R's engine for 13 years. (The R33 and R34 came with changes that improved upon an existing base format.) During this time period, competetors like Toyota and Honda came out with cars with larger displacement to compete with the GT-R. The margin between the GT-R and cars like the Supra and NSX was shortened and virtually eliminated by JGTCC regulations.

It's time for Nissan to wake up and create a completely new car with a new engine. They are getting slaughtered in the JGTCC with their 13 year old technology. This is why Nismo has turned to the VQ30DETT project.

The GT-R was always a relatively heavy car and always won out the competition with a larger engine. If this is any indication, we will see another heavy car with a larger engine.
Due to JGTCC regulations, Nissan will not go over 3.5 liters (at least for the Japanese version). The US will just see the V8 Cima engine...because Americans love torque and are too lazy to maintain turbocharged cars.

From what I know, the next GT-R will have a VQ30DETT and weigh around 1500kg again. Nissan will do whatever they can to cross breed cars with the same engine to save money. In the future, we may see a brand new engine...but until they fully recover, the VQ will have to be their only choice.