eastcoastS14

lol nothin like a 400lb 100+ hp machine that'll do the 1/4mile in 10seconds and 14000rpms to rip through sitting between your legs with nothing holding you on but your hands

blu808

actually if you use your hands to hold on you will get a tank slapper. You use your legs to hold on.

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blu808

Yea the honda would smoke the more powerful yam because the yam only makes more power at redline.

Usable power ftw

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!Zar!

The 07 600rr is a world of difference compared to the prior years.
SO much lighter. And the powerband feels comparable to a 636. Weight loss is noticeable also. Mad props to honda for the changes they made.

But `08 bikes are just around the corner...

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GSXRJJordan

Mad props to Honda for winning the hearts and minds of magazines and car forum kickstand-racers.

The weight savings is definitely impressive (claimed dry weights are useless, wait until one of the real sites/moto mags does an on-the-track, same day weight comparison), but starting in 2004, Honda started giving up all the things that made them the best-selling brand - the comfortability (huge when considering a streetbike), the predictability and comfort of the motors (the new motors are more peaky and buzz/vibrate a TON), and still havent seen wins on race day (Yamaha murders everyone in the Supersport 600cc class, Suzuki and Yamaha trade podiums in the 1000cc Superstock class, and Suzuki OWNS the 1000cc Superbike class).

My first two street bikes were Hondas (996 superhawk, bike of the year in 1998, and a 2000 CBR929RR), but for anyone who actually rides, Honda has historically not been the 'racers/canyon riders/non-n00b' choice. It looks like the 600 is beast this year, but cmon, thats like comparing the fastest NA KA24s... who gives a shit? Also, on my original note, observe the professional's best drag time was 10.60. I could turn a 10.60 starting in second gear.

600cc bikes are not safer, easier to ride, or much cheaper than their 1000cc brethren. The only advantage is gas mileage and insurance cost. Think about that when sitting on bikes/preparing to buy/dreaming.

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sw20>>s14

when did you get your grubby squid tentacles on a test ride already?

and iirc, the F4i was one of the quickest 1/4 in its class at the time...gotta rep my baby =D

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!Zar!

V has one that I rode. As well as a few other friends with various years.

Watch out, I'm coming.

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wootwoot

Funny when 14k sounds low....Silly go karts I race making that seem like nothin =)

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infinitexsound

nice bike, yeah... i got 2 of those bikes... chopping them down, gutting dead weight.. and making a custom fiberglass seat. lowering the front forks also... there not much of a canyon carver, but theyre nice bikes to learn and just ride for the nostalgia sense.... something similar to this...

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DRavenS13

This is a totally noob-ass question, but when getting a used bike to learn on, how much should one typically spend?

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Dorifto89

You could get away with spending $1000, and I'd say $2500 would get you a very nice bike.

DRavenS13

I'm relatively short (5'3"), so I'm trying to see what I can look for that won't be too hard for me to control. But that doesn't sound too bad. Probably after the new year I'll start saving.

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GSXRJJordan

If you're 5'3", anything you get will be a struggle to stand up flat-footed. That being said, it doesn't really matter - it just means you need to be extra careful, and practice more.

If you're not really worried about looks, and just want to cruise around on a decent bike, a Honda CB would be cheap and decent. (they made CB400, 450, and 750 I believe, all are standard "cruiser" layout, but with inline engines).

Myself, I'd recommend the "fight or flight" method of getting the bike you think you want, and trying your damnedest to ride it - that's what I did when I transitioned from dirt to street, and I think I'm a better rider because of it. So by that thinking, if you want a sportbike, get a CBR600 or SV650 and deal with the fact that you won't ever be able to put both feet on the ground

As far as a dollar amount - start around $1k for the bike and another $500 for helmet/jacket/gloves. That'll be a shit bike. For around $4k, you can get a truly nice machine in good shape, from 4 years ago or so, with around 10k miles. Naturally, there's variation in different markets - again I offer my services: if you have what you believe to be a good deal, email/pm me, and I'll help ya out if I can.

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eastcoastS14

^^ I have a question....how long do bike motors typically last....I mean I assume coming from a company like honda a 600rr could last a long time....I see bikes that are like 4 or 5 years old with like 10k+ miles and it seems like a lot but idk if that even matters or if they are like civics and just run forever cause id definitely be willing to pay a lower price for a bike with some extra miles

89dc240

Yeah there's deals to be had DRaven, check your local Harley shops and see if they have any import trade-ins they'll let go at wholesale or a little above. I'd also suggest a Buell Blast to learn on for like a year or so. There are two seat heights available and we have some short students here that do fine on the short seat. They can be a little finnicky, the Buell Blast, but you can definitley get one for a grand in the right spot. Try badweatherbikers.com or vtwinforums.com and look in the classifieds. They are also called P3's.

89dc240

Ah the Japanese know how to build a motor. 10k on a metric bike is nothing. I've seen newer Harleys still runnin strong on stock, 80k mile engines.

The only thing I'd worry about on MOST USED SPORTBIKES,, is the more mileage they've got, the more chances that bike has had to go down, and be shoddilly repaired by some dope that just wants to get back on the road, or sell the bike to some newb cause they don't know what to look for. This is very easy to cover up on sportbikes because you can't really take all the plastics off when your goin to look at the bike. You'll only be able to really see things that are most likely easy to replace.

Assume the worst when buying used. If the bike is obviously not stock colors, the thing was probably wrecked. Not always, but probably. And try to get a read on the seller too. Old guys on bikes still like to beat their shit once in a while but not as bad as a LOT of younger guys. Any woman over 30 or so, maybe with kids, that's a good bike to buy, unless she lets her 20 year old boyfriend drive it, lol.

Feel free to PM me too if you think you found a deal on a bike. (that goes for anyone)

eastcoastS14

sketchy or no?

http://www.nationalpowersports.net/i...on&itemID=1986

the no blinkers or plate light seems sketchy for some reason...any opinions

they also have a 03 750 for $4800 but idk if a 750 would be too much for a first bike....someone let me know what u think

sunnys14

whats so sketchy about it, alot of people that ride get a fender eliminator which removes the rear plate light AND/OR turn signals. i removed rear plate light and signals and swapped with smaller turn signals and no plate light. no problems from the cops ever.

eastcoastS14

yeah true...haha I guess I just assume the worst....like somebody 12 o'clocked it or somethin lol more than likely not the case but i justed wanted a second opinion

GSXRJJordan

750 is the same as a 600 - gutless. It'll help you get used to the insane amount of torque that is at your fingertips, and will help you understand that with those bikes, you have to downshift (at least once) to get into the powerband. They also crap out at 120mph or so, so you won't be tempted to top it out on the freeway.

Like Sunny said, it's completely normal to remove the turn signals and/or rear fender (plate holder). That being said, that bike has probably been wrecked, because they listed it as 'cosmetically clean'... That doesn't mean I still wouldn't buy it That's a great bike for not too much cash.

03 was not a good year for 750s - an 04 is twice the bike, for maybe 15% more money.


I'm glad this thread is finally becoming constructive!

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eastcoastS14

well I know that prices are subjective to locations....west coast prices are a little different than eastcoast prices ect...but what should i expect to pay for these bikes?

01/02 gsxr 600

04+ gsxr 600

03 cbr 600rr

03 zx6r

by what should I expect I mean from a standpoint of not getting scammed either by prices that are way too low and might suggest damage or way to high and ripping me off...so maybe for each of these give me a range and then say I wouldnt pay more than $XXX and no less than $XXX.... if that makes sense

89dc240

Ya know that makes me wonder if those little yellow NADA books are geographical too. I'll check one out at work tomorrow...

sunnys14

the only gsxr600 i really liked was the 06-07, all the other ones look way too bulky and fat for me. especially the new 08 redesign, freakkin put a huge side exit exhaust on that thing. looks like a gsxr1k

for cbr600rr's get a 03+ were somewhat the same, its just got lighter in 05-06 with minor face lift and slight body change. still the same engine nevertheless.

for the zx6r, 03-04 had the 636cc engine which dominated, also had side exit exhaust which i didnt like. i really liked the 05-06 636, nice flowing body, undertail exhaust... etc still retained the dominating 636cc engine, massive tq, more hp under the curve than any other 600cc (cheater bike due to the extra 36cc).

as for prices, i cant really say how much you should be spending. prices range from here and there, depends on how desperate the owner gets

my buddy picked up a 06 R6 raven (not the S model) for $7000 picked up with only 1200 miles. thats a steal! owner was a desperate guy, these bikes out the door were over 10k.

BPMKA24DE

remember the safty rules! no fuckups with bikes! 50% death 50% injured in the best case...slowly go with youre pace...

take some track days to get the hang of it faster, it would keep you out of the problems in the city...

GSXR600 01 02 its a good start, the yamaha R6 from 99 to 03 or so thier front forks are to deep inside toward the radiator so you would "low side" easy, wont forgive you now if you want 1000 yamaha from 98 R1 and GSXR are great choices but get some experince before you go big stuff cause they are very very fast!

i started with a 125 Cagiva mitto 2 stroke(lov the 2 stroke)
moved up to 01gsxr600, 04 gsxr 600 later, 04 R1 and now looking into italian bikes, aprillia 1000, ducati 748S or 996 well see...

what ever you get make sure to get frame sliders, STEERING DAMPNER very important, and check the tires with youre nails make sure they soft, for start Dunlop 207`s are "ok" later you get faster go with the 208`s....try to use the side walls more than the midlle parts
tires are the main key here, much much more than the car cause you have 2 wheels only, Dunlops are GREAT!

just pls slow down the pace and go with the flow, for the 1st 6 months!

B18C5MK1

if you dont care what kind of bike it is, but want something cheap...

i'd say get a Royal Enfield.. i think they're pretty sweet. if your just looking for something semi-decent and cheap to get around on. i just ordered one with a sidecar. reminds me of the one from garden state.

here's a new royal enfield.


or if you SERIOUSLY dont care.. haha go with Kymco. straight up korean. heck, they even have an automatic bike. though you might get laughed at while riding it, but hey, it was brand new and cheap. and thats what your looking for right?

go HERE to find a kymco dealer near you.

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jackjack

hmm.... i've always wanted one. just to cruise around/have fun with. i've never ridden before. i'm going to look into a ninja 250.

wootwoot

Ninja 250 is just to fucking small. Not on the power side which it is definitely lacking in but its actual size. I feel like a beach cruiser is larger between my legs. I do like how a Ninja 250 does make me feel like my package is larger though...

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89dc240

Holy Crap, me too. HAHA. My junk was so much bigger, lol.

Nah I did have a 2000 Ninja 250 though. It seriously did lack in power, but I filled up the gas tank like maybe once a week if I beat on it the whole time. Which I did most of the time. And it probably saved my life by not being fast too. The nice thing about no power, is you can keep it up near redline the whole time. And it likes it, lol.

I'm 6'3" and 250 by the way. I wasn't cramped, but it was no worse than any 600 for a guy my size. I paid a grand, it was a trade-in at a Harley dealer, and that was about very early 2004. Had about 1800 miles on it too.

BPMKA24DE

lol you need Hayabusa bro! with turbo! lol jking

Naaa great start would be 500 twin anything, the ninja 250 its a p.o.s in general, unreliable, we had one in the shop the fucker was booking in every dmn week, u would fix something something els would go wrong, TRU P>O>S get a 01 GSXR600, and take it easy...

GSXRJJordan

This thread is out of control. List your budget, riding experience, and size, those of us who actually ride will let you know what I (we) think is a good bike.

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