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demonspeed · 08-31-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Phlip

Um... you DO realize that Dre left Death Row, and and Pac was pissed about that as he was the last holdout on a sinking ship, right? The things that Tupac said about Dre in the aftermath of this effectively burned that bridge.
That said, Tupac would NOT have been on Dre's album, and probably not on Death Row much longer. He would have been in movies mostly and rap on the side, if at all.

Damn...I forgot all about that lol! But who's to say that if Pac survived being shot in Vegas that he would go to Dre like 'ay man, fuck the bullshit Im tired of geting shot' lol! Reason i said my original comment was that Dre squashed the beef with Easy-E on the Chronic 2001. Who's to say he wouldnt do the same with Pac...cuz at the end of the day the only thing that matters is the money. EVERYONE has their price...just a matter of how much...

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Originally Posted by Phlip

I nearly literally fall in the floor laughing every time someone says “go underground” when speaking of rap artists. The divide between this “mainstream” and “underground” that people have constructed to feed into their hipster-like fallback of “man, I was into [name] before everyone else had even heard of him, but now he is all mainstream and shit, I don’t like him anymore.”
It has been old for 15 years or more to me.
Sure, there may be a preference to someone’s older work, but the fact of the matter is that success makes EVERY musical artist EVER lazy as fuck.
That said, no way in hell an artist who scanned 400k in his first week will leave behind the apparent money (“apparent” because Puff is good for making his artists think they have it, then nickel and diming them to the poorhouse) that comes with a major deal on a successful label and “go underground,” to perform in shitty little bars for sweaty self-righteous college students.
It was about the money with him and always was about the money. Anyone who could make up stories about “driving state to state” in the drug trade – despite never EVER driving or having a license in real life – should have everything they say examined for truth.

I dont understand this comment so imma try to rephrase what i mean by 'underground'. Going from the top producers in the country that use the latest equipment and technology to someone that only has access to a Casio keyboard and outdated equipment is what i consider underground. I think that maybe a bad analogy but i hope it made sense. Going from a label that makes 100m easy to an independant label that is lucky enough to bring in 400k is somewhat underground to me. i guess what im trying to say is that an artist should NEVER forget where they come from and never forget the fans that made him/her the success that they are. This is why i respect 'underground' artists like GZA...who btw turned down a multi million dollar deal with Rocafeller...because GZA is to me what hip hop is missing: having fun rapping over beats, not the money chasing.

Phlip, youre a real cool dude lol! just thought I through that in haha!

mendmyacoustic · 08-31-2011, 01:48 PM

need to download today

**Phlip** · 08-31-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by demonspeed

I dont understand this comment so imma try to rephrase what i mean by 'underground'. Going from the top producers in the country that use the latest equipment and technology to someone that only has access to a Casio keyboard and outdated equipment is what i consider underground. I think that maybe a bad analogy but i hope it made sense. Going from a label that makes 100m easy to an independant label that is lucky enough to bring in 400k is somewhat underground to me. i guess what im trying to say is that an artist should NEVER forget where they come from and never forget the fans that made him/her the success that they are. This is why i respect 'underground' artists like GZA...who btw turned down a multi million dollar deal with Rocafeller...because GZA is to me what hip hop is missing: having fun rapping over beats, not the money chasing.

Phlip, youre a real cool dude lol! just thought I through that in haha!

Biggie’s first album sold 400 thousand COPIES the first week on the way to 4 MILLION total (and many more since).
What I am saying is that no one goes back from that to rapping over someone’s living-room-made beats on a beat-to-shit Casio, NO ONE.
To rememeber of forget where one comes from is all relative, as money really doesn’t change people, it just makes them more of what they already are. Again, with Puffy’s shrewd contracts, lawyers and how he screws even his best artists, Biggie would be best served to remain on Bad Boy, for worse or for worse.

To Draw GZA into this conversation is a moot point, because Steve Rifkind was a lot more fair to his artists, as far as their publishing and points went on their albums. The money he made on the Wu Tang album, as well as appearances on other albums, two gold albums of his own and a CONTINUED career doing live shows for fans who think that Wu Tang will “come back” one day will be more than enough for him. Broke, he is not.

word sux · 08-31-2011, 04:50 PM

mainstream shit sucks because in order for someone with talent to get big they ususally have to water their music down and change their image to appease the A&R's. Mainstream music is about money these record labels look at "artists" simply as a product to sell to the masses so therefore the product has to be pc enough for them to push. If you think that being talented is going to be enough to get you anywere in the music biz you are sadly mistaken its all about image and how many A&R's you blow.

the music business is just that, a business. if they can't sell you then you are worthless to them no matter how talented you are.

Tantwoforty · 08-31-2011, 05:49 PM

See, I said this thread would turn into crap..

Anyway, c4 is still on replay in my car, megaman or abortion are mostly what I start with.
Like i thought, most of it grew on me..

word sux · 08-31-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tantwoforty

See, I said this thread would turn into crap..

Anyway, c4 is still on replay in my car, megaman or abortion are mostly what I start with.
Like i thought, most of it grew on me..

thread started as crap

hard to get any crappier

see what I did there?

wonpoo · 08-31-2011, 08:04 PM

Loved Wayne when he was with hot boys, lost touch with hip hop around 2002 when i moved to Thailand and was left with no internet...rocks and dirt....but im downloading this now!!!

OH ONE MORE THING!!!

Tyler The Creator!
OFWGKTA!!!!!

frsh4 · 08-31-2011, 08:17 PM

Been hearing it on repeat also. Like Megaman, All the intureludes and I Like the View.

Moy12 · 08-31-2011, 11:23 PM

president carter is the only good song, the album sucked.

demonspeed · 09-01-2011, 02:54 AM

@Phlip, touché...

conrad_s13.5 · 09-01-2011, 08:09 AM

so back to the beef bullshit, when did this start?

cuuuuuuuuuz 'Monster' is a Kanye / Jay-Z / Young Money song,...and its not that old

simmode1 · 09-01-2011, 09:09 AM

I don't think its a label vs label beef. I wouldn't even really call it beef. They are just talking shit to each other, but both have gone on record about their admiration for each other. Jay coming back just put Weezy in a weird position since he claiming to be the Best Rapper Alive. But I honestly didn't start hearing darts thrown until after My Dark & Twisted Fantasy...

*exitspeed* · 09-01-2011, 09:48 AM

I don't even know why or how the line about "not having my ladies money" is directed towards Wayne in the first place? That could have been anyone.

I will say though I wouldn't mind actual beef going on. Because last time Jay was beefing he released The Blueprint. Fire.

simmode1 · 09-01-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

I don't even know why or how the line about "not having my ladies money" is directed towards Wayne in the first place? That could have been anyone.

For real? I thought, taken in context, in was really clear...

I’m like really? Half a billi ni**a?
Really, you got Baby money..
Keep it real with ni**as,
Ni**as aint got my lady money...

It was that Baby money line that tied it to Wayne, IMO. Wayne got to where he is today off of Baby/Birdman's money and the phrase was also a tongue in cheek insult at the name 'Young Money'. He's calling Wayne 'new money' (which is quite the insult among the wealthy) while also emasculating him by saying a woman makes more money than he does versus implying that he himself is higher class 'old money'.

Clever couple of lines. I loved it.

WERDdabuilder · 09-01-2011, 01:38 PM

i believe jay was firing back at this interview....

*exitspeed* · 09-01-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

For real? I thought, taken in context, in was really clear...

I’m like really? Half a billi ni**a?
Really, you got Baby money..
Keep it real with ni**as,
Ni**as aint got my lady money...

It was that Baby money line that tied it to Wayne, IMO. Wayne got to where he is today off of Baby/Birdman's money and the phrase was also a tongue in cheek insult at the name 'Young Money'. He's calling Wayne 'new money' (which is quite the insult among the wealthy) while also emasculating him by saying a woman makes more money than he does versus implying that he himself is higher class 'old money'.

Clever couple of lines. I loved it.

Oh well when you put it like that.

Shit is true though. lol. Except I believe Jay-Z is new money himself. No one in his family is wealthy. That's old money. Paris Hilton is old money.

zspeedrft · 09-01-2011, 08:44 PM

just picked it up....im digging it

*!Zar!* · 09-02-2011, 01:07 AM

Sorry 4 the wait > Carter 4.

theronin · 09-02-2011, 01:19 AM

diggin it the more i hear it, but that goes for most albums. john, 6-7, and megaman keeps me pumped for work....

rob22 · 09-02-2011, 01:37 AM

so should i buy it?

WERDdabuilder · 09-02-2011, 02:16 AM

no. buy yourself 2gal of gas.

theronin · 09-02-2011, 02:37 AM

what is this buy you speak of?

**Phlip** · 09-02-2011, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by WERDdabuilder

no. buy yourself 2gal of gas.

And a 24oz Red Stripe with the change

simmode1 · 09-02-2011, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by theronin

what is this buy you speak of?

Shhhhhhh!

demonspeed · 09-02-2011, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by conrad_s13.5

so back to the beef bullshit, when did this start?

cuuuuuuuuuz 'Monster' is a Kanye / Jay-Z / Young Money song,...and its not that old

This beef started when Baby from CMR said that Jay-Z could NEVER have the amount of koney that Weezy have. I believe he said this shit on BET. Jay just sat back and continued tostack money and then he took a jab at Wayne talkin bout how wayne dont even gave his lady's money which made him say that Beyonce line on the Carter 4. Not to mention the a milli beef which jay was pretty much saying 'dogg, you ONLY have a milli? Get a billi and then talk'

demonspeed · 09-02-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rob22

so should i buy it?

Buy? What? People still buy cd's?

chuki.s13.coupe. · 09-02-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by demonspeed

Buy? What? People still buy cd's?

What's a 'cd'?

Tantwoforty · 09-02-2011, 04:09 PM

Faded off that kush im gone, only 2 years old when daddy used to bring them hookers home..

This isint the Rap beef thread.. GTFO

chuki.s13.coupe. · 09-02-2011, 05:30 PM

That wasn't even a good line.

dazed · 09-02-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by !Zar!

Sorry 4 the wait > Carter 4.

Sorry but no. S4TW was a rushed, piece of shit.

I Am Not a Human Being was all the C4 throwaways, he saved all his better stuff (can't even say good) for C4... which is on track to sell possibly 900k.

Both could have been wayyyyyyyy better. Both have a couple good tracks here and there.

No Ceilings > S4TW... by far.

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wonpoo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: in 1999-Ville Posts: 334 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Loved Wayne when he was with hot boys, lost touch with hip hop around 2002 when i moved to Thailand and was left with no internet...rocks and dirt....but im downloading this now!!! OH ONE MORE THING!!! Tyler The Creator! OFWGKTA!!!!! __________________

08-31-2011, 08:17 PM	#98
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conrad_s13.5 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: STL Age: 34 Posts: 1,533 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	so back to the beef bullshit, when did this start? cuuuuuuuuuz 'Monster' is a Kanye / Jay-Z / Young Money song,...and its not that old __________________ cONtRol FReAkS

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exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I don't even know why or how the line about "not having my ladies money" is directed towards Wayne in the first place? That could have been anyone. I will say though I wouldn't mind actual beef going on. Because last time Jay was beefing he released The Blueprint. Fire. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

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mendmyacoustic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: fairfield Age: 31 Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	need to download today

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word sux Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: earth Age: 59 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	mainstream shit sucks because in order for someone with talent to get big they ususally have to water their music down and change their image to appease the A&R's. Mainstream music is about money these record labels look at "artists" simply as a product to sell to the masses so therefore the product has to be pc enough for them to push. If you think that being talented is going to be enough to get you anywere in the music biz you are sadly mistaken its all about image and how many A&R's you blow. the music business is just that, a business. if they can't sell you then you are worthless to them no matter how talented you are.

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Tantwoforty Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Riverside ca Age: 31 Posts: 1,890 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	See, I said this thread would turn into crap.. Anyway, c4 is still on replay in my car, megaman or abortion are mostly what I start with. Like i thought, most of it grew on me..

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simmode1 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Addison, TX Posts: 5,526 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I don't think its a label vs label beef. I wouldn't even really call it beef. They are just talking shit to each other, but both have gone on record about their admiration for each other. Jay coming back just put Weezy in a weird position since he claiming to be the Best Rapper Alive. But I honestly didn't start hearing darts thrown until after My Dark & Twisted Fantasy...

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Tantwoforty Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Riverside ca Age: 31 Posts: 1,890 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	Faded off that kush im gone, only 2 years old when daddy used to bring them hookers home.. This isint the Rap beef thread.. GTFO

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