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Corbic · 02-11-2014, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by spooled240

the second car tries to play catch up by drifting shitty. Drifting used to be about style, not speed

I've watched every episode of Inital D.

It's all about speed. If you are not first, you are last.

Maybe you guys b should just lobby to make it like figure skating.

Have a pannel of judges vote based on how cool he drove, how badass asks low his car is and how well it worked with the music he choose.

Then we can have both singles and pairs!

Corbic · 02-11-2014, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kpnasty

ill just hit the ground running here, formula D fucking sucks. I'd watch 100hp corollas any day of the week, over some autopilot driving, ugly sounding, ugly looking cars.

street legal, drift muscle, etc. would be awesome here, but everyone forgot drifting is about looking good, accessorizing yo whip, and neons and strobes.... fucking BOOORIINNG.

And you forgot that racing is about winning.

spooled240 · 02-11-2014, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

I've watched every episode of Inital D.

It's all about speed. If you are not first, you are last.

Maybe you guys b should just lobby to make it like figure skating.

Have a pannel of judges vote based on how cool he drove, how badass asks low his car is and how well it worked with the music he choose.

Then we can have both singles and pairs!

I also watched Initial D and I guarantee you the show would not have been as popular as it was if Takumi was drifting in a ugly ass rwd scion tc with 1000+ hp against 400hp production cars..it's just not fun to watch.

Corbic · 02-11-2014, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by spooled240

I also watched Initial D and I guarantee you the show would not have been as popular as it was if Takumi was drifting in a ugly ass rwd scion tc with 1000+ hp against 400hp production cars..it's just not fun to watch.

Tell the losers in the 400hp broke ass rides to man up and make 1000hp.

KevinEdgar · 02-11-2014, 11:15 AM

Competitive drifting in general is just lame. Build your car, go have fun, and go home.

Personally I do it for the fun, my car is riced out, decent looking, and most importantly, BUILT BY ME.

also: if its not making you money, don't go broke doing it.

spooled240 · 02-11-2014, 11:23 AM

then keiske swaps a LS in his FD because that little 13b won't cut it. Then throws on some red bull graphics and american racing wheels.

gay.

gbaby2089 · 02-11-2014, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

And you forgot that racing is about winning.

When did drifting become racing?

Corbic · 02-11-2014, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by gbaby2089

When did drifting become racing?

When was it not?

*DJPimpFlex* · 02-11-2014, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinEdgar

Competitive drifting in general is just lame. Build your car, go have fun, and go home.

Personally I do it for the fun, my car is riced out, decent looking, and most importantly, BUILT BY ME.

also: if its not making you money, don't go broke doing it.

I appreciate your opinion but for me drifting is ALL ABOUT competition. I love battling with friends.

*DJPimpFlex* · 02-11-2014, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by gbaby2089

When did drifting become racing?

Drifting isn't racing in the strictest definition but it definitely is a competition and there are winners and losers and money on the line. For most people in FD having a ugly car that wins is more important than having a slammed car that doesn't win.

75bluemage · 02-11-2014, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

Somehow, Drift Muscle makes it work.

If everyone wants LSx's, I'd rather see a whole field of Camaro's, Vettes & GTO's than swapped RX7's, Silvia's and whatever... I mean, what exactly are you marketing in a fucking 240 and other 20+ year old shit? You wanna talk cheap/reliable power? Why not just leave the fucking engine in the car it's supposed to be in and go race that? Less shit to fab up, less shit to break and easier parts selection.

Be for real now... You can strip down and prep a C6 Vette or Camaro for less time & money than it takes to build a competitive LSx 240.

Seriously, I don't enjoy Formula D for the same reason I don't enjoy Nascar: those cars have ZERO connection to what you'd see in the dealership or on the street.

When those V8 powered RWD Scion TC's hit the scene, I completely lost interest in FD bullshit.

That tc had a stock motor just like the tomei brz

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gbaby2089 · 02-11-2014, 12:35 PM

Its a competition, but its definitely not a race.

EnjukuBG · 02-11-2014, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by spooled240

Tire cap or not, I think we've all seen these 1000+ hp cars get an enormous head start on the car with less hp. Then the losing teams go back to the drawing board and decide they need a v8 to even compete..thus creating ///DRIFTING

You realize a 2jz is the reason why everyone is pushing for 1000hp right? Daigo came in guns blazing with that 2jz Lexus and destroyed everyone. Cause and effect man. The effect from Daigo's rocketship is what you're seeing today. So who's to blame?

EnjukuBG · 02-11-2014, 12:51 PM

Also, Aasbo's Scion is arguably one of the fastest cars in FD today, and it's a 4 cylinder. Either way it's still the v8 lovers fault, duh.

*DJPimpFlex* · 02-11-2014, 12:56 PM

Daigo definitely came in and changed American drifting. I'm still not entirely sure weather it was for the better or not. Overall I think he definitely made people raise their driving. Tandems are closer and people drive harder, less sandbagging. From a power perspective it has definitely gotten out of hand IMO but cause and effect like BG said.

vas570sx · 02-11-2014, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EnjukuBG

Also, Aasbo's Scion is arguably one of the fastest cars in FD today, and it's a 4 cylinder. Either way it's still the v8 lovers fault, duh.

what do you know about v8 drift cars? nerd

simmode1 · 02-11-2014, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 75bluemage

That tc had a stock motor just like the tomei brz

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Da fuq are you talking about?!
Tanner Foust's Scion tC Drift Car: V8-Powered, RWD, Ridiculous

I stopped caring after this thing hit the scene. Don't care if Aasabo's is 4 banger... going through all that work to make a FWD into RWD is equally rediculous to me.

I just feel sorry for the dumbass kid who buys a Scion TC thinking he can be build it up to be like Foust's or Aasabo's...

spooled240 · 02-11-2014, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EnjukuBG

You realize a 2jz is the reason why everyone is pushing for 1000hp right? Daigo came in guns blazing with that 2jz Lexus and destroyed everyone. Cause and effect man. The effect from Daigo's rocketship is what you're seeing today. So who's to blame?

That's why there needs to be a power cap. I'm not particularly hating on v8's. The LS swap is badass. It's light, durable and 400 hp out of the box with ample aftermarket support. I just hate how there seems to be a cookie cutter way of building the cars that compete in these events.

I enjoy looking at the cars in the parking lot more than watching the actual event.

1 88 U · 02-11-2014, 05:44 PM

D1GP is banning Nos so maybe FD will go that route to handicap Saito.

Speaking of which, Daigo Saito doesn't even use the max width tire for his class and would probably be faster with less hp but his love for killing tires with 1200hp heavy verts or sedans with style trumps having the most "competitive" setup.

Corbic · 02-11-2014, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by spooled240

The LS swap is badass. It's light, durable and 400 hp out of the box with ample aftermarket support. I just hate how there seems to be a cookie cutter way of building the cars that compete in these events.

Just like every defined race series ever?

spooled240 · 02-11-2014, 09:37 PM

in terms of engine choice? not really..

simmode1 · 02-12-2014, 01:17 PM

Ok, some ppl love the reliability of the LSx and the versitility to put it in any damn chassis.

Some ppl are purists and want to see turbo engines powered JDM cars.

Make everybody happy: Leave FD as it is and create a Street Class to transition drivers from grassroots to Pro-Am to the higher level Pros.

Street class would feature street legal cars only, meaning:
- No tube chassis
- Engine swaps limited to the chassis' manufacturer
- Use of data-logging equipement to impose HP caps based on power to weight ratio.
- No FWD to RWD conversions.

Race it on sunday, sell it on monday. Just my opinion.

Corbic · 02-12-2014, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

Ok, some ppl love the reliability of the LSx and the versitility to put it in any damn chassis.

Some ppl are purists and want to see turbo engines powered JDM cars.

Make everybody happy: Leave FD as it is and create a Street Class to transition drivers from grassroots to Pro-Am to the higher level Pros.

Street class would feature street legal cars only, meaning:
- No tube chassis
- Engine swaps limited to the chassis' manufacturer
- Use of data-logging equipement to impose HP caps based on power to weight ratio.
- No FWD to RWD conversions.

Race it on sunday, sell it on monday. Just my opinion.

Maybe that is what needs to happen. Teams go to well defined tube-chassis and use decals to represent the make. This way it's all driver.

*DJPimpFlex* · 02-12-2014, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Maybe that is what needs to happen. Teams go to well defined tube-chassis and use decals to represent the make. This way it's all driver.

I mean I'm kind of down.....

carcrazee · 02-12-2014, 06:02 PM

I think FD should take a step back and look where drifting came from, making a car look cool and drifting it with style, not trying to make it around the track with hardly any angle as fast as u can, like u can go watch FD drifting on youtube or whatever then go watch D1GP footage and its night and day on how they drive the cars through the track, that's my opinion

EnjukuBG · 02-13-2014, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 1 88 U

D1GP is banning Nos so maybe FD will go that route to handicap Saito.

Speaking of which, Daigo Saito doesn't even use the max width tire for his class and would probably be faster with less hp but his love for killing tires with 1200hp heavy verts or sedans with style trumps having the most "competitive" setup.

Why exactly are they banning Nitrous?

I definitely wouldn't call Daigo's SC430 stylish. And regardless if he uses the max tire width or not, that car is SO fast as is.

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Originally Posted by simmode1

Ok, some ppl love the reliability of the LSx and the versitility to put it in any damn chassis.

Some ppl are purists and want to see turbo engines powered JDM cars.

Make everybody happy: Leave FD as it is and create a Street Class to transition drivers from grassroots to Pro-Am to the higher level Pros.

Street class would feature street legal cars only, meaning:
- No tube chassis
- Engine swaps limited to the chassis' manufacturer
- Use of data-logging equipement to impose HP caps based on power to weight ratio.
- No FWD to RWD conversions.

Race it on sunday, sell it on monday. Just my opinion.

It's not FD's job to make everyone happy, and it's not their job to make a street class to compensate for people who can't build cars that can keep up with the top 16. I don't agree with the same manufacturer engine junk, but I'd love to see someone else start a street league series. But at the end of the day there is no money in that, and a professional series needs money. It's never JUST about racing in ANY race series because money makes the world go round.

All that being said, I'd never spend my own money to try and run that series. I'd rather keep driving the fun way with friends.

AFSil80 · 02-13-2014, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EnjukuBG

All that being said, I'd never spend my own money to try and run that series. I'd rather keep driving the fun way with friends.

Because we all know there's nothing more fun than hitting events and then partying in town with friends.

P.S. What if Heaven was Hell?

simmode1 · 02-13-2014, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EnjukuBG

It's not FD's job to make everyone happy, and it's not their job to make a street class to compensate for people who can't build cars that can keep up with the top 16.

If they lose enough viewers, I'm sure they'll consider alternatives.

But maybe not. They've just traded their JDM fanbase for the Nascar fanbase.

Anyways. I'm not interested. Gonna go watch old Drift Mucsle videos and enjoy my own car. FD has moved too far away from its roots for me to care anymore.

redline racer510 · 02-13-2014, 11:14 PM

The question we should be asking is what real advantage does a 1000hp car have over say a 600hp car with the same weight?

spooled240 · 02-14-2014, 10:20 AM

^even if it means the 1000hp gets half a car length ahead of the 600hp car that could determine the outcome of the competition.

02-11-2014, 11:15 AM	#35
KevinEdgar Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: n o r ★ c a l Posts: 1,165 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Competitive drifting in general is just lame. Build your car, go have fun, and go home. Personally I do it for the fun, my car is riced out, decent looking, and most importantly, BUILT BY ME. also: if its not making you money, don't go broke doing it. __________________ http://milktea-man.com

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EnjukuBG Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LA Age: 34 Posts: 186 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Also, Aasbo's Scion is arguably one of the fastest cars in FD today, and it's a 4 cylinder. Either way it's still the v8 lovers fault, duh. __________________ V8 RX7

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DJPimpFlex Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Age: 35 Posts: 6,151 Trader Rating: (115) Rides Gallery: DJPimpFlex Feedback Score: 115 reviews	Daigo definitely came in and changed American drifting. I'm still not entirely sure weather it was for the better or not. Overall I think he definitely made people raise their driving. Tandems are closer and people drive harder, less sandbagging. From a power perspective it has definitely gotten out of hand IMO but cause and effect like BG said. __________________

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redline racer510 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: EARFF(earth for you idiots) Posts: 1,072 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The question we should be asking is what real advantage does a 1000hp car have over say a 600hp car with the same weight? __________________ WARNING: User has a low tolerance for stupidity. Post at your own risk.

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02-11-2014, 11:23 AM	#36
spooled240 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 4,142 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	then keiske swaps a LS in his FD because that little 13b won't cut it. Then throws on some red bull graphics and american racing wheels. gay.

02-11-2014, 12:35 PM	#42
gbaby2089 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: WI Posts: 833 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Its a competition, but its definitely not a race.

02-11-2014, 05:44 PM	#49
1 88 U Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ga Posts: 536 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	D1GP is banning Nos so maybe FD will go that route to handicap Saito. Speaking of which, Daigo Saito doesn't even use the max width tire for his class and would probably be faster with less hp but his love for killing tires with 1200hp heavy verts or sedans with style trumps having the most "competitive" setup.

02-11-2014, 09:37 PM	#51
spooled240 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 4,142 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	in terms of engine choice? not really..

02-12-2014, 01:17 PM	#52
simmode1 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Addison, TX Posts: 5,526 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok, some ppl love the reliability of the LSx and the versitility to put it in any damn chassis. Some ppl are purists and want to see turbo engines powered JDM cars. Make everybody happy: Leave FD as it is and create a Street Class to transition drivers from grassroots to Pro-Am to the higher level Pros. Street class would feature street legal cars only, meaning: - No tube chassis - Engine swaps limited to the chassis' manufacturer - Use of data-logging equipement to impose HP caps based on power to weight ratio. - No FWD to RWD conversions. Race it on sunday, sell it on monday. Just my opinion.

02-12-2014, 06:02 PM	#55
carcrazee Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: failorida Posts: 236 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I think FD should take a step back and look where drifting came from, making a car look cool and drifting it with style, not trying to make it around the track with hardly any angle as fast as u can, like u can go watch FD drifting on youtube or whatever then go watch D1GP footage and its night and day on how they drive the cars through the track, that's my opinion

02-14-2014, 10:20 AM	#60
spooled240 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 4,142 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	^even if it means the 1000hp gets half a car length ahead of the 600hp car that could determine the outcome of the competition.