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tricky_ab · 10-24-2009, 01:59 PM

Dallas police ticketed 39 drivers in 3 years for not speaking English | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News

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Dallas police wrongly ticketed at least 39 drivers for not speaking English over the last three years, Police Chief David Kunkle announced Friday while promising to investigate all officers involved in the cases for dereliction of duty.
Pending cases will be dismissed, and those who paid the $204 fine for the charge, which does not exist in the city, will be reimbursed, Kunkle said.
"I was surprised and stunned that that would happen, particularly in the city of Dallas," Kunkle said. "In my world, you would never tell someone not to speak Spanish."
The citations were issued in several different patrol divisions by at least six different officers. One of those officers was responsible for five of the citations, Kunkle said.
The case that led to the discovery of all the others occurred Oct. 2, when Ernestina Mondragon was stopped for making an illegal U-turn in the White Rock area. Rookie Officer Gary Bromley cited Mondragon for three violations: disregarding a traffic control device, failure to present a driver's license and "non-English speaking driver."
In that case and perhaps the others, officials said, the officer was confused by a pull-down menu on his in-car computer that listed the charge as an option. But the law the computer referred to is a federal statute regarding commercial drivers that Kunkle said his department does not enforce.
Bromley, 33, is a trainee officer in the northeast patrol division, meaning he still works with a training officer during every shift. His training officer on that day was Senior Cpl. Daniel Larkin, 53.
According to department policy, a sergeant must also sign off on all citations. The supervisor who signed off on the Mondragon ticket was Sgt. David Burroughs, 50.

Hopefully, this thread won't turn into some ridiculous argument over whether or not English should be the official language as those conversations always suck and there's no actual way to win.

HyperTek · 10-24-2009, 02:00 PM

Cop of the year!!

im sorry guys lol

Chernobyl · 10-24-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tricky_ab

Hopefully, this thread won't turn into some ridiculous argument over whether or not English should be the official language as those conversations always suck and there's no actual way to win.

Then why did you make the thread? You know that's what will happen. Troll.

tricky_ab · 10-24-2009, 02:14 PM

Nah I posted it as I thought it was kinda a dick move from the cops...

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If you have a driver's license, then you should know how to read the signs. If you don't then there is something wrong with the DMV giving the exam. As long as you can read the signs, and know the rules of the road.. i don't see why english should be mandated.

*!Zar!* · 10-24-2009, 02:16 PM

BoostedCoupe · 10-24-2009, 02:23 PM

come to a country where english is the language then speak it. And i with hypertex i vote him cop of the year, more cops should step up and do this.

Touge Noob S13 · 10-24-2009, 02:35 PM

As the Hispanic voice in this thread I would have to agree with what the cop did. Im sick of all these people living here and not even being able to communicate. I used to work at a hotel in the housekeeping department and all the housekeeping ladies would always call me or my co-workers to translate what the "gringo" hotel guests would ask them.

***S14DB*** · 10-24-2009, 02:51 PM

It's a DOT requirement for Commercial drivers. Unless they have a CDL it's unenforceable.

The question is why are they doing this?
Discriminating against people that don't speak English?
Padding their ticket book?
Ignorant of the laws they enforce?

borracho · 10-24-2009, 03:23 PM

chinge su madre pinches chotas!!!

HyperTek · 10-24-2009, 03:29 PM

nah i think its serious.. those people could be faking just so they can try to get off easy by the cop who doesnt know the language. What if these people get into car accidents? they wont be able to exchange information because they dont know how. At least attempt to learn some english, even little english is better than no english.

articdragon192 · 10-24-2009, 03:32 PM

Just because there is a language barrier doesn't mean there's a common sense barrier.

Genovese.Jr · 10-24-2009, 03:32 PM

lmao ..........

Persona · 10-24-2009, 03:34 PM

I'm all for diversity, but in a nation thats population generally speaks english, learn it.

I hate playing sign language with people that dont even try to speak english, or refuse.

sidewaysil80 · 10-24-2009, 03:41 PM

in america the language is english...if you cant speak it learn it... how the hell can you pass an ENGLISH driver license test and not speak english...WTF!? and yes, road signs/highway signs/alert signs/etc. are all in english. so yeah, their is a legimate reason why you need to be able to speak/understand the american language. and again, that goes into the argument of how can you communicate after an accident to exchange info or how is a cop supposed to communicate with you if you cant speak english!

Chernobyl · 10-24-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewaysil80

in america the language is english...

There is no official language in the USA. Therein lies the problem.

I do agree that immigrants should make an effort to learn English.

Brian · 10-24-2009, 03:57 PM

Well, at least the other citations still stand.

also, I found these stickers while in Wisconsin... they sort of apply to this thread.
enjoy.

jdm538 · 10-24-2009, 04:13 PM

i learned spanish from the corn man.

i love mayonnaise with corn and round chip things with hot suace and lemon. mmmmmmmmm...

ayuaddict · 10-24-2009, 04:16 PM

haha i would like the Illegal immigrant hunting permit.

blasting_speed · 10-24-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewaysil80

in america the language is english...if you cant speak it learn it... how the hell can you pass an ENGLISH driver license test and not speak english...WTF!? and yes, road signs/highway signs/alert signs/etc. are all in english.

Thank you sir. I couldn't of said it better myself.

+1 rep for you.

*!Zar!* · 10-24-2009, 04:52 PM

Last I checked the English came over here and started forcing their language on others.

If anything, the real official language would be Spanish. As for not speaking any English, I remember last time I went to the DMV this one person got a test in Spanish as well as a tape and headsets to listen to the questions. I found that interesting.

yokotas13 · 10-24-2009, 05:15 PM

stfu
whatever it should be, its not
Its english. deal with it or leave

Bubbles · 10-24-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HyperTek

Cop of the year!!

...................

g6civcx · 10-24-2009, 05:25 PM

Question for people who were born in America: do you feel you have a stronger command of American English (as defined by commonly accepted grammar textbooks) than the average immigrant?

Team DET · 10-24-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by borracho

chinge su madre pinches chotas!!!

lol...........

Bubbles · 10-24-2009, 05:31 PM

The average immigrant doesn't have what I would call a command of the English language.

So yes.

yokotas13 · 10-24-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by g6civcx

Question for people who were born in America: do you feel you have a stronger command of American English (as defined by commonly accepted grammar textbooks) than the average immigrant?

I do, but i know many that do not. I know some immigrants that have fantastic english. But i know a large number more that do not.

Its like going to another country. When im here in japan, i don't expect them to speak english. I carry around a dictionary on my phone, and have been learning the language so im not that kind of person.

Matej · 10-24-2009, 05:42 PM

As a non-citizen resident, it is painful to see illegal immigrants getting all kinds of government help, and even scholarships. I am pretty sure it is easier to live in the US as an illegal immigrant, than a foreigner living here legally.
And English is one of the easiest languages to learn. It should not take anyone more than a few months to be able to communicate in it. They should deport anyone who has made no effort to learn English after living here for a year back to wherever they came from. No mercy. There are dictionaries, books, classes, audio lessons, internet lessons, and countless helpful tools for the native speaker of virtually any language who would like to learn English.
It is ridiculous that people are even able to obtain a driver's license without being able to speak English in the first place.

SR_Vlurs · 10-24-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by !Zar!

Last I checked the English came over here and started forcing their language on others.

If anything, the real official language would be Spanish..

QFT i agree with that

ranger240 · 10-24-2009, 06:24 PM

why should it be spanish? didnt the Spaniards come over here and started to force their language on others??

lets bring it back to whatever dead language the mayans spoke.. o wait, they forced their language upon others unjustly...

shit.. lets just all stfu.. its the only way to keep things fair

and protect people who cannot/refuse to adapt.

2 weeks in denmark and i was trying/starting to learn danish wtf

ranger240 · 10-24-2009, 06:35 PM

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Ernestina Mondragon was stopped for making an illegal U-turn in the White Rock area. Rookie Officer Gary Bromley cited Mondragon for three violations: disregarding a traffic control device, failure to present a driver's license and "non-English speaking driver."

In that case and perhaps the others, officials said, the officer was confused by a pull-down menu on his in-car computer that listed the charge as an option. But the law the computer referred to is a federal statute regarding commercial drivers that Kunkle said his department does not enforce.

http://www.carinsurance.com/kb/content33998.aspx

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If you go on to read more of Chapter 521 you will find that it notes that being cited for a first time offense of driving without a license in TX you will get a fine of up to $200. This section of Texas law does go on to show that if you continue to drive without a license and get cited the penalties get more severe for instance being convicted for a third time of this offense can get you a fine of up to $500 and confinement in the county jail for not less than 72 hours or more than six months.

Hemmmm that doesnt seem at all unreasonable to me.. getting a $206 fine for pulling a u-turn and driving w/o a license

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tricky_ab Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: It's dark, and hell is hot! Posts: 9,413 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	Nah I posted it as I thought it was kinda a dick move from the cops... EDIT: If you have a driver's license, then you should know how to read the signs. If you don't then there is something wrong with the DMV giving the exam. As long as you can read the signs, and know the rules of the road.. i don't see why english should be mandated.

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HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,222 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	nah i think its serious.. those people could be faking just so they can try to get off easy by the cop who doesnt know the language. What if these people get into car accidents? they wont be able to exchange information because they dont know how. At least attempt to learn some english, even little english is better than no english. __________________ Keep it Classy

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sidewaysil80 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NoVA Age: 35 Posts: 1,710 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	in america the language is english...if you cant speak it learn it... how the hell can you pass an ENGLISH driver license test and not speak english...WTF!? and yes, road signs/highway signs/alert signs/etc. are all in english. so yeah, their is a legimate reason why you need to be able to speak/understand the american language. and again, that goes into the argument of how can you communicate after an accident to exchange info or how is a cop supposed to communicate with you if you cant speak english!

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!Zar! Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,576 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Last I checked the English came over here and started forcing their language on others. If anything, the real official language would be Spanish. As for not speaking any English, I remember last time I went to the DMV this one person got a test in Spanish as well as a tape and headsets to listen to the questions. I found that interesting. __________________

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g6civcx Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 5,764 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Question for people who were born in America: do you feel you have a stronger command of American English (as defined by commonly accepted grammar textbooks) than the average immigrant?

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Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	As a non-citizen resident, it is painful to see illegal immigrants getting all kinds of government help, and even scholarships. I am pretty sure it is easier to live in the US as an illegal immigrant, than a foreigner living here legally. And English is one of the easiest languages to learn. It should not take anyone more than a few months to be able to communicate in it. They should deport anyone who has made no effort to learn English after living here for a year back to wherever they came from. No mercy. There are dictionaries, books, classes, audio lessons, internet lessons, and countless helpful tools for the native speaker of virtually any language who would like to learn English. It is ridiculous that people are even able to obtain a driver's license without being able to speak English in the first place. Last edited by Matej; 10-24-2009 at 06:03 PM..

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