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silversr · 01-15-2009, 04:56 PM

I sent my subframe to a shop to get the bushings taken out but in the process they removed a metal ring that was suppose to hold the new energy suspension subframe bushing in place. Any suggestions to what I should do now? I heard that the nismo ones come as a complete unit I just have to have it pressed in? but I just got these energy suspension subframe bushings

Hawaiian240 · 01-15-2009, 05:08 PM

Aren't ES subframe bushings INSERTS and not replacements?

You don't have to remove the OEM bushings. The ES bushings are put in there to supplement the OEM ones.

silversr · 01-15-2009, 05:12 PM

I got the pineapple ones...
Energy Suspension Subframe Pineapple Bushing : S13/14 89-98 240SX

Hawaiian240 · 01-15-2009, 05:49 PM

Are you talking about rings the bolts go through before the bushings? I would go to a wrecking yard or Nissan dealer. Some guys here may have them, especially if they are fully parting out a car. Check with them.

silversr · 01-15-2009, 06:48 PM

Nah man, I'm talking about the ring that was suppose to hold the bushing in place. Something like this picture

Its like the bushing is to small for the subframe.... I thought it was suppose to have a tight feel to it. Now here is mine when I got it back. i can install the bushings by hand and spin them.

projectRDM · 01-15-2009, 07:02 PM

The ES kit uses the OE steel sleeve. There's no way to get them without buying new bushings, which I don't believe are available through the dealer. Check on it but you may have to find another subframe.

shinhed · 01-15-2009, 07:24 PM

Sell your ES bushings (to me) and buy some new sh*t. Take paypal?

silversr · 01-15-2009, 07:26 PM

Damn that would really suck if I had to get another subframe

I just got done painting this one. So would the nismo bushings use the OE steel sleeve ?

Hawaiian240 · 01-15-2009, 07:41 PM

Damn, yeah I think you need another subframe.........unless the shop has the sleeves still?

*DALAZ_68* · 01-15-2009, 07:42 PM

quick question...does the energy suspension master bushings kit does not come wiht sub frame bushings does it?

ae13bravo · 01-15-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by silversr

Damn that would really suck if I had to get another subframe

I just got done painting this one. So would the nismo bushings use the OE steel sleeve ?

The OEM and Nismo Bushings come assembled with the metal sleeve in them. So you would need to press out your old bushings including the metal sleeve out of your subframe (the current state your subframe is in) to press these in. Now if you wanted to use the bushings you bought all you had to do was burn the old bushing out with a torch, keeping the metal sleeve in place and then would have been able to install your new inserts. No need to have taken it to a shop. But if you still want to use the ones you bought you are going to have to press in some oem or nismo bushings and then burn them out. Waste of money if you ask me. Just go with the Nismo set, Solid alum. Subframe bushings, or buy a different subframe and sell the ones you have.

shinhed · 01-15-2009, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DALAZ_68

quick question...does the energy suspension master bushings kit does not come wiht sub frame bushings does it?

No, just inserts.

ae13bravo · 01-15-2009, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DALAZ_68

quick question...does the energy suspension master bushings kit does not come wiht sub frame bushings does it?

Not that I remember.

silversr · 01-15-2009, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ae13bravo

The OEM and Nismo Bushings come assembled with the metal sleeve in them. So you would need to press out your old bushings including the metal sleeve out of your subframe (the current state your subframe is in) to press these in. Now if you wanted to use the ones you bought all you had to do was burn the old bushing out with a torch. No need to have taken it to a shop. But if you still want to use the ones you bought you are going to have to press in some oem or nismo bushings and then burn them out, or you can just go with Solid alum. Subframe bushings.

Thanks, I was hoping I can just buy some new bushings instead.

projectRDM · 01-15-2009, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DALAZ_68

quick question...does the energy suspension master bushings kit does not come wiht sub frame bushings does it?

The ES master kit is a joke. No subframe, diff, steering rack, or rear upright bushings. Hardly a 'master' kit.

*DALAZ_68* · 01-15-2009, 10:21 PM

thats what i picked up...better than nothing

JRas · 01-15-2009, 11:56 PM

you could always go with solid subframe bushings.. If your manly enough for that :P

or get those nismos that have the metal insert ring = non-manly/wimp/homo/limpwristed .. I lol'd

*DALAZ_68* · 01-16-2009, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRas

you could always go with solid subframe bushings.. If your manly enough for that :P

cars gonna be track only in like 2-3 weeks

Hawaiian240 · 01-16-2009, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DALAZ_68

quick question...does the energy suspension master bushings kit does not come wiht sub frame bushings does it?

My S13 ES Hyper-flex kit came with everything except the diff bushings. Comes with front and rear sway bars(for both diameter sway bars) and end lonks, front spindles, rear uprights, tension rods, front LCA, traction rods, RUCA, Toe rods, and steering rack and a ton of lube. But it comes with the subframe inserts, not the pineapples.

Ali 556 · 01-16-2009, 05:59 AM

Time For :

Daniel H · 01-16-2009, 09:50 AM

You can get poly bushes that don't need the metal ring. On my 180sx, when I did the subframe bushes I used these,
Poly Subframe Bushes - Nissan
They fit into the bare hole without the metal sleeve from the old bush.

Might be worth e-mailing to see how much how much they would be shipped to the USA

JRas · 01-16-2009, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DALAZ_68

cars gonna be track only in like 2-3 weeks

to the op, if your car is going to be strictly track in 2-3 weeks it may not be a bad choice to go with solids subframe bushings.

01-15-2009, 04:56 PM	#1
silversr Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 261 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Subframe bushing problem I sent my subframe to a shop to get the bushings taken out but in the process they removed a metal ring that was suppose to hold the new energy suspension subframe bushing in place. Any suggestions to what I should do now? I heard that the nismo ones come as a complete unit I just have to have it pressed in? but I just got these energy suspension subframe bushings __________________

01-15-2009, 05:08 PM	#2
Hawaiian240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chesapeake, VA Age: 48 Posts: 517 Trader Rating: (17) Rides Gallery: Hawaiian240 Feedback Score: 17 reviews	Aren't ES subframe bushings INSERTS and not replacements? You don't have to remove the OEM bushings. The ES bushings are put in there to supplement the OEM ones. __________________ For Sale threads: http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/33286...tons-pics.html Review Thread: http://zilvia.net/f/private-sellers/...-chhheeee.html TRADER RATING: http://zilvia.net/f/traderratings.html?u=66301

01-15-2009, 05:12 PM	#3
silversr Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 261 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I got the pineapple ones... Energy Suspension Subframe Pineapple Bushing : S13/14 89-98 240SX __________________

01-15-2009, 05:49 PM	#4
Hawaiian240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chesapeake, VA Age: 48 Posts: 517 Trader Rating: (17) Rides Gallery: Hawaiian240 Feedback Score: 17 reviews	Are you talking about rings the bolts go through before the bushings? I would go to a wrecking yard or Nissan dealer. Some guys here may have them, especially if they are fully parting out a car. Check with them. __________________ For Sale threads: http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/33286...tons-pics.html Review Thread: http://zilvia.net/f/private-sellers/...-chhheeee.html TRADER RATING: http://zilvia.net/f/traderratings.html?u=66301

01-15-2009, 06:48 PM	#5
silversr Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 261 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Nah man, I'm talking about the ring that was suppose to hold the bushing in place. Something like this picture Its like the bushing is to small for the subframe.... I thought it was suppose to have a tight feel to it. Now here is mine when I got it back. i can install the bushings by hand and spin them. __________________

01-15-2009, 07:02 PM	#6
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 47 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	The ES kit uses the OE steel sleeve. There's no way to get them without buying new bushings, which I don't believe are available through the dealer. Check on it but you may have to find another subframe. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

01-15-2009, 07:24 PM	#7
shinhed Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Austria Posts: 950 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Sell your ES bushings (to me) and buy some new sh*t. Take paypal?

01-15-2009, 07:26 PM	#8
silversr Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 261 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Damn that would really suck if I had to get another subframe I just got done painting this one. So would the nismo bushings use the OE steel sleeve ? __________________

01-15-2009, 07:41 PM	#9
Hawaiian240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chesapeake, VA Age: 48 Posts: 517 Trader Rating: (17) Rides Gallery: Hawaiian240 Feedback Score: 17 reviews	Damn, yeah I think you need another subframe.........unless the shop has the sleeves still? __________________ For Sale threads: http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/33286...tons-pics.html Review Thread: http://zilvia.net/f/private-sellers/...-chhheeee.html TRADER RATING: http://zilvia.net/f/traderratings.html?u=66301

01-15-2009, 07:42 PM	#10
DALAZ_68 not giving a fuck Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Los angeles Age: 35 Posts: 15,080 Trader Rating: (104) Feedback Score: 104 reviews	quick question...does the energy suspension master bushings kit does not come wiht sub frame bushings does it? __________________ LOL 240... whats better than 1? 5 1's ...lol PSN & XBL GT : Wh0pp3r68 CLUB LEXUS : Wh0pp3r

01-15-2009, 10:21 PM	#16
DALAZ_68 not giving a fuck Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Los angeles Age: 35 Posts: 15,080 Trader Rating: (104) Feedback Score: 104 reviews	thats what i picked up...better than nothing __________________ LOL 240... whats better than 1? 5 1's ...lol PSN & XBL GT : Wh0pp3r68 CLUB LEXUS : Wh0pp3r

01-15-2009, 11:56 PM	#17
JRas Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arizona Age: 32 Posts: 1,503 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	you could always go with solid subframe bushings.. If your manly enough for that :P or get those nismos that have the metal insert ring = non-manly/wimp/homo/limpwristed .. I lol'd __________________

01-16-2009, 05:59 AM	#20
Ali 556 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Far Far Away...... Posts: 359 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Time For : __________________ '95 S14 Se With HKS's - BREMBO's - ES/SPL.

01-16-2009, 09:50 AM	#21
Daniel H Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: UK Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You can get poly bushes that don't need the metal ring. On my 180sx, when I did the subframe bushes I used these, Poly Subframe Bushes - Nissan They fit into the bare hole without the metal sleeve from the old bush. Might be worth e-mailing to see how much how much they would be shipped to the USA __________________

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