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BustedS13 · 06-19-2009, 12:35 PM

I am the voice of my own god. And my god did... I told the librarian that I had a bad
headache, but she didn't believe me. I really do have a bad headache, though. I have a very bad headache!

ESmorz · 06-19-2009, 01:34 PM

The Shining Beacon of Hope and Politics Has Spoken.

So does everyone know that there have been 77+ Tornadoes this year already? Crazy. The Earth will expunge us before our politics do.

Ethix · 06-19-2009, 02:38 PM

It really doesn't matter who the president is. They're going to fuck it all up one way or another. When you vote, you're basically just voting for a mask. This one is wearing the mask of the republican and this one is wearing the mask of the democrat and neither one is even remotely qualified to have the amount of power that they are given as president.

The best we can hope for with each new president is some intelligent ideas from their advisors and luck.

I voted for Obama for 2 reasons:
1) I didn't want 4 more years of the Republican party. They had their shot and they mostly failed.
2) I could never vote for a party that chose Palin as VP out of all other possible candidates. To me the President and VP should be the BEST (smartest, most experienced, well respected, etc) possible candidates. I find it hard to believe that there were no other Republican candidates that could've run. Shit, RJF sounds like 10x smarter than her.

Now I'm just hoping for a miracle. That's probably what it's going to take to fix the economy.

Also, I approve of Bush commenting on Obamas policies. He was the President and he's earned that right. IMO

**RJF** · 06-19-2009, 02:50 PM

Please...Joe Biden is supposedly smarter than Sarah Palin...NOT

He's dumber than a box of rocks and has never anything in his life other than be in the Senate. At least Sarah Palin is Governor and manages one of our largest, most important states (domestic oil).

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden's Secret Service codename is "Assassination Insurance". As bad as I dislike Obama's policies and what he is doing to this country, we'd be royally screwed if anything happened to him and Biden became President. Be afraid, be very afraid.

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Originally Posted by Ethix

Now I'm just hoping for a miracle. That's probably what it's going to take to fix the economy.

Cutting corporate and personal income taxes and stopping this out of control spending would fix the economy. Wouldn't you spend more if your paycheck was bigger, same principle for businesses.

Matej · 06-19-2009, 03:05 PM

What can I do to feel safe again? I do not want to spend my life living in fear.

ESmorz · 06-19-2009, 03:08 PM

Buy a gun.

Oh wait, we takin all your gunz.

Oh wait.

Ethix · 06-19-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RJF

Cutting corporate and personal income taxes and stopping this out of control spending would fix the economy. Wouldn't you spend more if your paycheck was bigger, same principle for businesses.

If only it were that easy.

mRclARK1 · 06-19-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by imotion s14

It's gonna turn out just it has in other countries ie rationing of health care. These clowns just don't see any alternative to this other then government involvement when it was government involvement that cause health care cost to rise. You ever hear them talk about how illogical it is to tie insurance to your job? Guess who started that?

Government. HMO Act of 1973.

But they rarely ever admit to being wrong on anything despite reality.

Take it from someone who lives in a country with socialized medicine... It usually means exactly that. Rationing.

People here die waiting for treatment. My mother, brother in law and several friends all work in the medical field and they'd all agree. Either way, people die. Either cause they can't pay, or they have to wait. But at least one way your taxes don't go up along with the government deficit. Sounds cold, but welcome to life. IMHO the ideal system is a hybrid of the two... Some people pay, some don't. Some treatments are free, others are not. Prioritize and budget and charge accordingly as best as possible. Still messy, but better than the alternatives.

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Originally Posted by RJF

It's about time something was said and he didn't personally criticize Obama, unlike President ThinSkin, who takes every opportunity to say "I inherited this mess"

1. This economy is all on Obama now. His $787Billion stimulus was supposed to cap unemployment at 8%, we're at 9.4% and rising. Interest rates are already rising and inflation will probably kick in soon.

2. His spending and waste has raised the deficit to $10 Trillion+ over the next 10 years. How do you think that'll be paid for? Printing money = inflation and higher taxes on everyone

3. Foreign Policy - With his worldwide "Apology Tour" he makes us look weak. The North Koreans are laughing at us and accelerating their nuke program and launching missiles left and right. What happens when they launch something towards California or Hawaii? Meanwhile Obama cuts the budget for missile defense.

Iran situation - He doesn't have the balls to come out and say that we support democracy and call into question the election results or condemn the murder of 8 protesters, plus he continues to legitimize the current regime.

4. Universal Health Care - Another $2 Trillion to insure 1/3 of the current uninsured, half of whom are illegal aliens. The government can't even run the existing programs (Medicare and Medicaid) and they want to create another monster. hell, the Post Office can't even break even and we're supposed to believe his socialized medicine plan is going to be revenue neutral.

5. Auto Industry - Since when is the government in in the business of running car companies. Maybe back in the USSR days. And his supposed structured bankruptcy - giving the unions 60% control of the companies. They are the ones who killed GM and Chrysler. Meanwhile legitimate bondholders (guaranteed in standard bankruptcy proceedings) lose all their investments.

6. Czars - technically violates US Constitution - All of the President's cabinet members have to be approved by the US Senate. Meanwhile these Czars are given the positions as political payback and require no Senate approval. Even Sen. Robert Byrd (Democrat) has raised this issue and says it violates the Constitution.

7. Control of Media - This latest ABC episode is a prime example. ABC is turning over their entire broadcast schedule on June 24th to the White House so they can sell their propaganda on socialized medicine as an infomercial. Meanwhile there will be be no dissenting views or even opportunities by opponents to express their opinions. This is what was called "State Controlled Media" in the Soviet Union and what Hugo Chavez does in Venezuela today.

8. Taxes - You better believe taxes are going up because its the only way he can pay for all this BS. If they don't increase income taxes, we'll be nickel-and-dimed on other taxes, suchs as the gasoline tax, tax on health care benefits, Cap & Trade Tax

More?

I do not always agree with RJF, but this time I agree with pretty much all of the above.

The fact of the matter is most of the population today (especially of our predominant age group) is too stupid and ignorant to even comprehend or discuss, let alone deal with, any of the matters in society and politics today with any rational or logical sense. Half the responses in here only go to prove that.

I am seriously concerned for the future. Most of the fuck ups around my age today couldn't run a lemonade stand effectively, let alone a large business or government or stable family one day.

Matej · 06-19-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mRclARK1

Take it from someone who lives in a country with socialized medicine... It usually means exactly that. Rationing.

People here die waiting for treatment. My mother, brother in law and several friends all work in the medical field and they'd all agree. Either way, people die. Either cause they can't pay, or they have to wait. But at least one way your taxes don't go up along with the government deficit. Sounds cold, but welcome to life. IMHO the ideal system is a hybrid of the two... Some people pay, some don't. Some treatments are free, others are not. Prioritize and budget and charge accordingly as best as possible. Still messy, but better than the alternatives.

Just because the 'socialized' healthcare in your country sucks does not mean that is how it is everywhere else.

And personally I would still take Canada's healthcare over this insurance extortion any day.

**RJF** · 06-19-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Matej

Just because the 'socialized' healthcare in your country sucks does not mean that is how it is everywhere else.

And personally I would still take Canada's healthcare over this insurance extortion any day.

Do you want the government deciding what treatment you can get and when you can get it?

Even if you can pay for every cent of your healthcare, it will be rationed. How do you think they'll cut costs?

BTW, didn't Obama promise that healthcare would be the same type of plan that Senate and Congress has? Wonder where that went? THink about it, if you had 250 million people paying for the plan of about 535 people, you bet that plan would be gold-plated.

Matej · 06-19-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RJF

Do you want the government deciding what treatment you can get and when you can get it?

Even if you can pay for every cent of your healthcare, it will be rationed. How do you think they'll cut costs?

That is not how it works when the system is thought-out and efficient.

Although I do believe that the US government would most likely screw it up, because it always puts money before people. That is why I do not see a truly efficient healthcare system in America's future, whether it be 'socialized' or not.

theicecreamdan · 06-19-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ESmorz

Oh wait, we takin all your gunz.

No you're not.

mRclARK1 · 06-19-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Matej

Just because the 'socialized' healthcare in your country sucks does not mean that is how it is everywhere else.

And personally I would still take Canada's healthcare over this insurance extortion any day.

Actually it doesn't suck... It's considered one of the best in the world. People still die waiting however. Mostly due to diagnosis equipment being to scarce. IE: Surgeries are often done in a timely manner once it's known if it's needed, for shall we say a tumor. However it may have taken 6-12 months on a waiting list in order to use the MRI that found the tumor.

I'm not saying any one system in Canada or the US is better. They both have flaws. They both have big ones. I just do not see a fully socialized system like Canada's working in the US. The cost is too high and the user demand too great. The financial cost would be staggering. Forget the bailout amounts being high... That might be a one year budget for a complete social health care system in America.

drftmark · 06-20-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mRclARK1

Actually it doesn't suck... It's considered one of the best in the world. People still die waiting however. Mostly due to diagnosis equipment being to scarce. IE: Surgeries are often done in a timely manner once it's known if it's needed, for shall we say a tumor. However it may have taken 6-12 months on a waiting list in order to use the MRI that found the tumor.

That is an oxymoron of an IE.

The surgeon can not operate until you get diagnosed in the first place, which takes an MRI.

So how is that timely?

mRclARK1 · 06-20-2009, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by drftmark

That is an oxymoron of an IE.

The surgeon can not operate until you get diagnosed in the first place, which takes an MRI.

So how is that timely?

Granted yes it is an oxymoron, but you get the point.

To rephrase would be to say that they're done in a timely manner once a diagnosis is made. The problem isn't so much that diagnosis is made and surgery takes weeks or months to happen (although there are cases of that as well). The length of time one waits for diagnosis is, generally, where the problem is.

Ask my sister who had to wait around for months to find out her daughter, my niece, had cancer. She was lucky and it was still found in time and she appears to have fully recovered... Others aren't so lucky and even several doctors have gone on record saying wait times in Canada kill patients.

**RJF** · 06-20-2009, 07:49 AM

Why is having to wait 6 months to have a high-end diagnostic test (MRI, CATscan, etc) a good thing?

6 months could mean the difference between life and death. Our system now allows anyone to get a test asap, depending on course on the equipment availability schedule. What do you think will happen when the government has to approve every test. There's your six months.

Plus something else to consider, how many companies are going to invest in million dollar equipment if the government caps what they are going to get reimbursed for each test? They need to have a business case to justify that expense and be able to pay it back in a reasonable time.

The medical and healthcare industry is a business and those companies have salaries to pay, rents and other expenses. If government bogs down the industry with bureaucracy and higher costs for doctors to do business, plus capping what they can earn, what would motivate them and why deal with it, resulting in shortages of doctors and equipment.

ryguy · 06-20-2009, 09:44 AM

What I don't understand is why everybody in America thinks they're entitled to health care. I believe it's something you should have to earn. The government has no business even thinking about meddling in healthcare. Socialized healthcare is, to me, no better than welfare.

I pray Obama doesn't get re-elected. It doesn't matter how bad Bush screwed up on world relations, war, etc. Money is what makes the world go round, and Obama has us seriously fucked in that department.

Not to mention, Obama has no balls. He will be trying to hold North Korea's hand, asking politely for them not to make nukes, until the day Hawaii is wiped off the map. I honestly believe he will take no proactive steps in this situation. He's too politically correct.

98s14inaz · 06-20-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethix

If only it were that easy.

It is that easy, greed makes it hard. Greed is the absolute worst sin and will eventually destroy us. We just can't get past it.

mRclARK1 · 06-20-2009, 11:55 AM

^^^ Truth. So many of the worlds problems, past tragedies and afflictions are a result of greed in some form.

Just FYI as well... Health care in Canada is NOT completely free. Most things are yes, but some places still charge minimal user fees etc. and the cost of things like dental, eye care, and prescription drugs are still the responsibility of the individual. People in Canada still have a degree of health insurance.

The US actually spends more than Canada on health care already without a socialized system.

Canadian and American health care systems compared - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is a good read. However one part I don't believe is the section on wait times. Having experience in both health care systems as a patient, as well as several family members who work in health care... I know of FAR too many cases of people waiting far longer than they state in that article.

Do not get me wrong. I am NOT saying that the US should not adopt a degree of universal or social health care model... I'm only saying a full blown socialized system that's 3/4 publicly funded is not, IMHO, the right decision. Even Canada has allowed a certain level of private health care to exist again and some things have begun to improve as a result.

imotion s14 · 06-20-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RJF

Why is having to wait 6 months to have a high-end diagnostic test (MRI, CATscan, etc) a good thing?

6 months could mean the difference between life and death. Our system now allows anyone to get a test asap, depending on course on the equipment availability schedule. What do you think will happen when the government has to approve every test. There's your six months.

Plus something else to consider, how many companies are going to invest in million dollar equipment if the government caps what they are going to get reimbursed for each test? They need to have a business case to justify that expense and be able to pay it back in a reasonable time.

The medical and healthcare industry is a business and those companies have salaries to pay, rents and other expenses. If government bogs down the industry with bureaucracy and higher costs for doctors to do business, plus capping what they can earn, what would motivate them and why deal with it, resulting in shortages of doctors and equipment.

The current system is just as bad as socialize healthcare. Make no mistake about that, government is already tentacle raping the current system. 2/3rd of every health care dollar is spent by Government. What does it matter if the government is paying or a private insurance is paying? It's still a middle man. And there in lies the cause of the rising cost.

Health care before Government red tape use to be you had insurance for catacylsmic emergency and you paid out of pocket for everything else.

Now it's akin to getting car insurance that covers accidents, maintance and everyday wear and tear. How much would it cost if that was the case?

Insurance is a way to pool risk, not to subsidize health care cost.

Ethix · 06-20-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 98s14inaz

It is that easy, greed makes it hard. Greed is the absolute worst sin and will eventually destroy us. We just can't get past it.

It's more than just greed. It's also differences of opinions. The idea of cutting spending and taxes is great, but where do you cut the spending? Where is the government going to get the money they need once you've cut taxes? That's where it gets difficult.

I don't know. I slept through most of my macro-economics class and passed with like a C-. I'm the last person who should be talking about fixing the economy.

**RJF** · 06-20-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethix

I don't know. I slept through most of my macro-economics class and passed with like a C-. I'm the last person who should be talking about fixing the economy.

Suggest anyone interested, do some research into supply-side economics.

These are the principles that Ronald Reagan used to restore the economy in the early 80's and what GW Bush did after 9/11 to keep the economy from going into a worse recession.

ryguy · 06-20-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RJF

Suggest anyone interested, do some research into supply-side economics.

These are the principles that Ronald Reagan used to restore the economy in the early 80's and what GW Bush did after 9/11 to keep the economy from going into a worse recession.

And that's the problem here- obama has killed supply side economics by propping up trillions of dollars worth of bad assets and forcing banks to issue credit, which was what killed the economy in the first place.

b-s14 · 06-20-2009, 11:14 PM

hmm

i was at my local DMV the other day, and there was a small protesting going on against Obama and his "health care" bill or idea, something of that nature. anyways, the bill was Obama's idea to look into stealing more money from social security for wall street. then the lady said something about Obama not caring for the sick-illed and old people.

it was called Obama's Nazi Health care plan i think, and it had a picture of him and hitler together.

imotion s14 · 06-20-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RJF

Suggest anyone interested, do some research into supply-side economics.

lol.. why? It's junk macroeconomics.

Supply-side.. come on dude.

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These are the principles that Ronald Reagan used to restore the economy in the early 80's

All he did was sweep the problems under the rug in the form of debt. But that debt was pretty manageable, but they kept pushing it off to the next President.

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and what GW Bush did after 9/11 to keep the economy from going into a worse recession.

Greenspan lowered interest rates to 1% all that did was blow up an even large housing bubble and pushed the recession into the future (or our present). The housing bubble and NASDAQ/Internet bubble are inter-related and was the result of loose monetary policy.

The shallow recession in 2001/2002 is NOTHING to be proud of because all it did was postpone the crash and make it hurt even worse.

flip3d · 06-20-2009, 11:49 PM

Idiocracy is coming exactly as the movie went. Rednecks and Gangbangers spawning like rabbits while intelligent people are dying from heart attacks providing samples for In vetro fertilization.

98s14inaz · 06-21-2009, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matej

That is not how it works when the system is thought-out and efficient.

Although I do believe that the US government would most likely screw it up, because it always puts money before people. That is why I do not see a truly efficient healthcare system in America's future, whether it be 'socialized' or not.

They can't even turn a profit at the post office. What makes you think they can run a universal health care system?

98s14inaz · 06-21-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethix

It's more than just greed. It's also differences of opinions. The idea of cutting spending and taxes is great, but where do you cut the spending? Where is the government going to get the money they need once you've cut taxes? That's where it gets difficult.

I don't know. I slept through most of my macro-economics class and passed with like a C-. I'm the last person who should be talking about fixing the economy.

Don't change the subject. I don't care about cutting taxes etc. I'm talking about wasteful spending and cutting from the wrong places. For example, AZ's new gov just passed our budget and surprise surprise every one working for state received cuts in their departments EXCEPT.......drumroll.....the governor's office and the rest of the legislature and senate. So education gets the axe again but the Govt who has been so good with out money gets to keep getting paid. It's the top 10% who can afford to pay fncking us in the ass. All of these companies getting bailouts too are on my list. At the end of 4 years you all will wish for men like Ron Paul who would have given us change in the right direction. Gold standard, flat tax for everyone, and not owing for a change. So frustrating watching this happen

**RJF** · 06-21-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 98s14inaz

They can't even turn a profit at the post office. What makes you think they can run a universal health care system?

Also, look at Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Those are all operating in the red. Obama should try and fix those first before wasting trillions more.

SimpleS14 · 06-21-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RJF

Also, look at Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Those are all operating in the red. Obama should try and fix those first before wasting trillions more.

Are you against any of these being privatized or quasi-government ?

Just curious.

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RJF Super Administrator & Bean Counter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lone Tree, CO Posts: 2,400 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why is having to wait 6 months to have a high-end diagnostic test (MRI, CATscan, etc) a good thing? 6 months could mean the difference between life and death. Our system now allows anyone to get a test asap, depending on course on the equipment availability schedule. What do you think will happen when the government has to approve every test. There's your six months. Plus something else to consider, how many companies are going to invest in million dollar equipment if the government caps what they are going to get reimbursed for each test? They need to have a business case to justify that expense and be able to pay it back in a reasonable time. The medical and healthcare industry is a business and those companies have salaries to pay, rents and other expenses. If government bogs down the industry with bureaucracy and higher costs for doctors to do business, plus capping what they can earn, what would motivate them and why deal with it, resulting in shortages of doctors and equipment. __________________ *Zilvia.net...Where the Truth Hurts and Pain Builds Character*

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ryguy Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago Suburbs Age: 32 Posts: 1,544 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	What I don't understand is why everybody in America thinks they're entitled to health care. I believe it's something you should have to earn. The government has no business even thinking about meddling in healthcare. Socialized healthcare is, to me, no better than welfare. I pray Obama doesn't get re-elected. It doesn't matter how bad Bush screwed up on world relations, war, etc. Money is what makes the world go round, and Obama has us seriously fucked in that department. Not to mention, Obama has no balls. He will be trying to hold North Korea's hand, asking politely for them not to make nukes, until the day Hawaii is wiped off the map. I honestly believe he will take no proactive steps in this situation. He's too politically correct. __________________

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Ethix Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 92 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It really doesn't matter who the president is. They're going to fuck it all up one way or another. When you vote, you're basically just voting for a mask. This one is wearing the mask of the republican and this one is wearing the mask of the democrat and neither one is even remotely qualified to have the amount of power that they are given as president. The best we can hope for with each new president is some intelligent ideas from their advisors and luck. I voted for Obama for 2 reasons: 1) I didn't want 4 more years of the Republican party. They had their shot and they mostly failed. 2) I could never vote for a party that chose Palin as VP out of all other possible candidates. To me the President and VP should be the BEST (smartest, most experienced, well respected, etc) possible candidates. I find it hard to believe that there were no other Republican candidates that could've run. Shit, RJF sounds like 10x smarter than her. Now I'm just hoping for a miracle. That's probably what it's going to take to fix the economy. Also, I approve of Bush commenting on Obamas policies. He was the President and he's earned that right. IMO

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mRclARK1 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Location? Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^ Truth. So many of the worlds problems, past tragedies and afflictions are a result of greed in some form. Just FYI as well... Health care in Canada is NOT completely free. Most things are yes, but some places still charge minimal user fees etc. and the cost of things like dental, eye care, and prescription drugs are still the responsibility of the individual. People in Canada still have a degree of health insurance. The US actually spends more than Canada on health care already without a socialized system. Canadian and American health care systems compared - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia That is a good read. However one part I don't believe is the section on wait times. Having experience in both health care systems as a patient, as well as several family members who work in health care... I know of FAR too many cases of people waiting far longer than they state in that article. Do not get me wrong. I am NOT saying that the US should not adopt a degree of universal or social health care model... I'm only saying a full blown socialized system that's 3/4 publicly funded is not, IMHO, the right decision. Even Canada has allowed a certain level of private health care to exist again and some things have begun to improve as a result. __________________

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b-s14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: VA Posts: 541 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	hmm i was at my local DMV the other day, and there was a small protesting going on against Obama and his "health care" bill or idea, something of that nature. anyways, the bill was Obama's idea to look into stealing more money from social security for wall street. then the lady said something about Obama not caring for the sick-illed and old people. it was called Obama's Nazi Health care plan i think, and it had a picture of him and hitler together.

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