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Iceman00 · 08-16-2007, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RUTH'LESSDET

Come on a coilover dyno!!!!

im not a machine thats not too helpful for me at this point. Post up a dyno of stance, d2, tein (what ever), tanabe, vs koni/gc that would be better.

Did you even read the thread, or the links provided in it? Lower end Coilovers are Lower priced for a reason. They suck.

Get Konis and GC's and shut the fuck up.

longdy · 08-16-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by hellion240sx

powered by max is around 1000 lol but they come with 10/8 springs

there nice ass hell but your liver is going to pay the price for the stiffness.. lol

Aoshi112 · 08-16-2007, 01:46 AM

As per Dennis Grant: "Where there's no Bilstein fitment and Penskes are too expensive, Konis are usually perfectly adaquate. They are, by far, the best budget shock and better than any of the crap coming out of Japan. JIC, GAB, Tokiko, Tein - synonyms for "crap"."

http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html

Can't go wrong with the GC/Koni setup. I actually emailed Dave Coleman and he suggested the GC/Koni setup to me for something on a budget.

-Jason

irax · 08-16-2007, 01:55 AM

WTF why is everyone suggesting good suspension?

just go with Tein coilovers, like their basic model. Everyone on zilvia complains that they are too soft for daildrift or weekend worrior. but for daily driver for something that wants it a little low. they tein basics would be the best bet and the price you want to spend.

dont bother with
Powered By Max, BECAUSE THEY BUILD THEIR SHIT FOR DRIFTING! NOT PARKING HARD!

EDacIouSX · 08-16-2007, 01:55 AM

if you want better comfort... wider wheels help and some good shock/spring combo or a good set of coilovers that dampen well. Basically for wide wheels.. it will make it so your tires don't fall into holes as much. it's wider so the hole has to be wider for the wheel to fall in therefore you don't feel as many of the holes in the ground when you roll over them (i live in l.a., holes everywhere). For coilovers/spring+shocks you want something that dampens well. The stiffness of the spring isn't important as much as how well the shocks dampen with the type of spring it's using.

Iceman00 · 08-16-2007, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Aoshi112

As per Dennis Grant: "Where there's no Bilstein fitment and Penskes are too expensive, Konis are usually perfectly adaquate. They are, by far, the best budget shock and better than any of the crap coming out of Japan. JIC, GAB, Tokiko, Tein - synonyms for "crap"."

http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html

Can't go wrong with the GC/Koni setup. I actually emailed Dave Coleman and he suggested the GC/Koni setup to me for something on a budget.

-Jason

I posted pretty much the same thing, and he continues to ignore it. He's just waiting for someone to say something nice enough about cheap shit coilover systems, so he can justify buying one.

aznpoopy · 08-16-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by t . b o z

Needless to say, the roads suck ASS. More than a handful of backroads in my area arn't even paved. Coilovers are not that bad people...I mean c'mon, are you guys 80 years old or something? I used to drive a little Integra around with 12k front, 10k rear coilovers, and it wasn't that bad.

have you ever been to nyc

its not about comfort at all

its about breaking shit

hellion240sx · 08-16-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by t . b o z

I live in the "armpit" of the south, Memphis, TN...where the city doesn't spend any money on roads or transportation, but rather on illigitimate pension plans and keeping crooked politicians and law enforcement officials on the payroll. (Im not lying).

Needless to say, the roads suck ASS.

um ditto but i live in New Orleans! pot holes down here own you!

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Originally Posted by longdy

there nice ass hell but your liver is going to pay the price for the stiffness.. lol

heh drink more water and walk it off! lol.

to the op: so what are you looking at now? you have your options. we have answered your question what more information are you loooking for?

scarecrow27 · 08-16-2007, 09:27 AM

dg5 > all else

mRclARK1 · 08-16-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceman00

Did you even read the thread, or the links provided in it? Lower end Coilovers are Lower priced for a reason. They suck.

Get Konis and GC's and shut the fuck up.

How about you let him buy whatever he wants, and you shut the fuck up?

I like that idea.

It's his money, and since he probably just street drives his car, cheap coilovers will do the job.

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Originally Posted by Aoshi112

As per Dennis Grant: "Where there's no Bilstein fitment and Penskes are too expensive, Konis are usually perfectly adaquate. They are, by far, the best budget shock and better than any of the crap coming out of Japan. JIC, GAB, Tokiko, Tein - synonyms for "crap"."

http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html

Can't go wrong with the GC/Koni setup. I actually emailed Dave Coleman and he suggested the GC/Koni setup to me for something on a budget.

-Jason

If all the products coming out of Japan are "crap"... why do they work for MANY people using them in competitive racing? A friend of mine has Tein coilovers (don't remember which) on his car, and he tracks his car often. He's had the Tein's for at least a couple years now, and his teins outlasted his brothers Koni shocks. I'm not saying Koni, or the brands mentioned (Bilstein etc.) are crap, but it comes down to WHAT type of driving you want to do, and how the suspension is tuned and even what quality of roads it's used on.

RanciD · 08-16-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mRclARK1

How about you let him buy whatever he wants, and you shut the fuck up?

I like that idea.

It's his money, and since he probably just street drives his car, cheap coilovers will do the job.

If all the products coming out of Japan are "crap"... why do they work for MANY people using them in competitive racing? A friend of mine has Tein coilovers (don't remember which) on his car, and he tracks his car often. He's had the Tein's for at least a couple years now, and his teins outlasted his brothers Koni shocks. I'm not saying Koni, or the brands mentioned (Bilstein etc.) are crap, but it comes down to WHAT type of driving you want to do, and how the suspension is tuned and even what quality of roads it's used on.

No matter what type of driving you do poor dampers are poor dampers.

Yeah, they do work for plenty of people, especially drifters who want something ridiculously stiff and don't care if the shock is doing its job further than that or not. Most people also do not know enough to realize they're garbage or even use the adjustability further than full soft for daily driving. It's easy to put on some coilovers, say "hey my car is a lot stiffer this is great!", then come here and post some bullshit expert opinion how they're awesome which every clueless noob will take as the word of god himself. What advantage does a set of $1000 coilovers have over a Koni/GC setup in any situation? With the konis he will have a smoother ride, custom spring rates and better performance on and off the track. I'll trade some useless knobs and JDM bling for that any day.

RUTH'LESSDET · 08-16-2007, 11:16 AM

Hey guy your getting a little emotional dont ya think. I understand that the setup your talking about is better...but my current problem is I already ordered the d2's (got them very cheap) I will be picking them up tomorrow...but I may just exchange them for something else (i.e koni/gc, stance) so calm down with the internet thugg'n guy its not that serious I appreciate the info you gave me on the koni setup....and all the info everybody else is posting.

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Originally Posted by Iceman00

Did you even read the thread, or the links provided in it? Lower end Coilovers are Lower priced for a reason. They suck.

Get Konis and GC's and shut the fuck up.

DP_Michelle G · 08-16-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by scarecrow27

dg5 > all else

do you even have these? I didn't think they sold state side yet

RUTH'LESSDET · 08-16-2007, 12:12 PM

This guy seems to think everybody is a drifter (iceman)or a racer i am neither furthermore the car is automatic right now...in the future maybe some autox, but that it. lets get back to the topic best and worst suspension setups for 1000 and WHY?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

How about you let him buy whatever he wants, and you shut the fuck up?

I like that idea.

It's his money, and since he probably just street drives his car, cheap coilovers will do the job.

If all the products coming out of Japan are "crap"... why do they work for MANY people using them in competitive racing? A friend of mine has Tein coilovers (don't remember which) on his car, and he tracks his car often. He's had the Tein's for at least a couple years now, and his teins outlasted his brothers Koni shocks. I'm not saying Koni, or the brands mentioned (Bilstein etc.) are crap, but it comes down to WHAT type of driving you want to do, and how the suspension is tuned and even what quality of roads it's used on.

*AceInHole* · 08-16-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mRclARK1

If all the products coming out of Japan are "crap"... why do they work for MANY people using them in competitive racing?

Not trying to be a dick... but who's using any JDM coilover in competitive racing, and define competitive racing? Are you talking Spec Miata or Formula one? Or like... a weekend track day or autocross.....

I tried to find some first hand experience when re-sorting out my setup, but found NO ONE. Sasha from Sequence Garage is on Stance, and that's about it (although he'd probably gain from swapping to Bilsteins or Konis).

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it comes down to WHAT type of driving you want to do, and how the suspension is tuned and even what quality of roads it's used on.

Honestly, most JDM coilovers seem to have very linear curves (D2/Stance/KSport/etc included). Koni Yellows/ Bilsteins are a lot more digressive, which allows for better low speed shock control (i.e. transitional movement) without sacrificing performance over bumps or irregular surfaces (which results in more traction, and the essence of what makes a great shock absorber). There's a few plots posted on Honda Tech at http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1104049&page=1 , and a few other plots scattered across the web.

t . b o z · 08-16-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by aznpoopy

have you ever been to nyc

its not about comfort at all

its about breaking shit

pay attention and dodge them!

NYC can't be any worse than Memphis..possibly the most neglected city in this region. You would think an international hub and main port off of the Mississippi River would at least LOOK more prosperous. hahah.

Anywho, I've just been careful..there are some you just cant avoid. So thats when you grip the wheel tight, squeeze your ass cheecks tight, and clench your teeth..then pray for the best.

timlush · 08-16-2007, 01:23 PM

So how low can you go with Koni/GC setup?

drift freaq · 08-16-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by timlush

So how low can you go with Koni/GC setup?

that would depend on if you shortened the strut housing and went with a Koni short stroke insert. With a Stock height Koni Yellow/GC(i.e. Koni app for our cars) setup you would not want to take the car lower than 2 inches though the collars would allow lower than 2 inches you would be out of the optimum stroke range of a Koni Yellow made specifically for our cars.

Now if you took a short stroke Koni Yellow installed in a shortened housing with GC's you would have one sick ass supension setup. Of course at that point your costs are starting to rise for the custom work. This is where the average Joe opts out for a pre assembled coilover setup.
If you don't want to overly slam your car though a Normal Koni/GC setup would probably run around $800-900.

Iceman00 · 08-16-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RUTH'LESSDET

This guy seems to think everybody is a drifter (iceman)or a racer i am neither furthermore the car is automatic right now...in the future maybe some autox, but that it. lets get back to the topic best and worst suspension setups for 1000 and WHY?

I think Drifting is shit. Don't associate it with me in any way. I'm pissed because you made a thread asking questions, and when you don't get the answers you want to hear, you cover your ears and ignore our advice. Why start this thread if you knew you were going to buy shit in the first place?

mRclARK1 · 08-16-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RanciD

No matter what type of driving you do poor dampers are poor dampers.

Yeah, they do work for plenty of people, especially drifters who want something ridiculously stiff and don't care if the shock is doing its job further than that or not. Most people also do not know enough to realize they're garbage or even use the adjustability further than full soft for daily driving. It's easy to put on some coilovers, say "hey my car is a lot stiffer this is great!", then come here and post some bullshit expert opinion how they're awesome which every clueless noob will take as the word of god himself. What advantage does a set of $1000 coilovers have over a Koni/GC setup in any situation? With the konis he will have a smoother ride, custom spring rates and better performance on and off the track. I'll trade some useless knobs and JDM bling for that any day.

Yeah, crappy dampers are crappy dampers. You get what you pay for. Most people complain that coilovers are to stiff, but for people like me, who LIKE a stiff feeling car, and track it as well as drive on the streets, they're fine. I've drifted (yes I drift... on a track for fun... so kill me. lol) on shock/spring setups, and I prefer the stiffer feeling that coilovers provide. I currently run D2's on my car, they work and do the job, but I know they aren't top of the line by any stretch. They'll work until I can afford something better.

Also, you can order most coilovers with whatever spring rate(s) you want.

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Originally Posted by RUTH'LESSDET

This guy seems to think everybody is a drifter (iceman)or a racer i am neither furthermore the car is automatic right now...in the future maybe some autox, but that it. lets get back to the topic best and worst suspension setups for 1000 and WHY?

I don't think everyone is a drifter. I don't see the point however of putting thousands of dollars into a car for performance, and it NEVER touches the race track. Be it for WHATEVER type of racing you enjoy.

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Originally Posted by AceInHole

Not trying to be a dick... but who's using any JDM coilover in competitive racing, and define competitive racing? Are you talking Spec Miata or Formula one? Or like... a weekend track day or autocross.....

Depends what kind of racing you're talking about. Most, or at least the largest percentage, of people on this forum are into drifting. So that's mainly what I meant. My bad though... I should have been more specific. I'm sure that most Japanese drift racers are using some form of JDM coilover setups, and that's working for them just fine obviously. For the weekend track car/DD driver, most cheaper coilover setups will do the job. Just as long as you don't mind the stiffer/bumpier ride on the streets that comes with coilovers.

This is just turning into a coilover vs. spring/shock combo thread...

RUTH'LESSDET · 08-16-2007, 05:12 PM

First of all why are you pissed like i said its not that serious..

....its only suspension for my car not your car. Yes I started the thread to get opinions about different things I could do for $1000 which is my budget for suspension at this time. I just wanted to know what you think and most importantly WHY

Like i said in my last post yes the d2 are ordered already but there is nothing stopping me from not putting them on my car dude I could always exchange for a different setup as long as I dont install them.

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Originally Posted by Iceman00

Why start this thread if you knew you were going to buy shit in the first place?

I didn't know i was gonna buy shit in the first place I merely went to talk to a friend at his shop and couldn't say no to the price I was given.

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Originally Posted by Iceman00

I'm pissed because you made a thread asking questions, and when you don't get the answers you want to hear, you cover your ears and ignore our advice.

I saw all of your post and like I said b4 i am taking that setup into consideration, but who wants to listen to someone being an

and talking(posting!!) reckless over the internet. So with that being said....if you dont like the thread dont post its that simple...once again thank you for you enlightenment!!!

spool_sample · 08-16-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RUTH'LESSDET

This guy seems to think everybody is a drifter (iceman)or a racer i am neither furthermore the car is automatic right now...in the future maybe some autox, but that it. lets get back to the topic best and worst suspension setups for 1000 and WHY?

The problem with the question at hand is that 90% of the complete coilover kits you can get for $1000 are pretty much the same. They are full-body height adjustable, monotube, have 15-32 clicks of adjustment, 8/6 spring rates, and generally similar valving. You can pick whichever one you get the best deal on or looks the prettiest, because nitpicking $1000 coilovers is not going to matter much, especially if you only DD the car.

If you want something that you can live with everyday and have something nice to start with for tracking the car (eventually), then +100 for Koni/GC. Pair them with Tein or Cusco camber plates for best results.

If you just care about dumping the car, just get one of the pre-assembled kits, because an OTS Koni won't let you do that...

RUTH'LESSDET · 08-16-2007, 05:17 PM

Thank you this is what I want to know but other people

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Originally Posted by RanciD

Most people also do not know enough to realize they're garbage or even use the adjustability further than full soft for daily driving. It's easy to put on some coilovers, say "hey my car is a lot stiffer this is great!", then come here and post some bullshit expert opinion how they're awesome which every clueless noob will take as the word of god himself. What advantage does a set of $1000 coilovers have over a Koni/GC setup in any situation? With the konis he will have a smoother ride, custom spring rates and better performance on and off the track. I'll trade some useless knobs and JDM bling for that any day.

RUTH'LESSDET · 08-16-2007, 05:27 PM

Thanx for the info whats the price on a good set of camber plates???

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Originally Posted by spool_sample

The problem with the question at hand is that 90% of the complete coilover kits you can get for $1000 are pretty much the same. They are full-body height adjustable, monotube, have 15-32 clicks of adjustment, 8/6 spring rates, and generally similar valving. You can pick whichever one you get the best deal on or looks the prettiest, because nitpicking $1000 coilovers is not going to matter much, especially if you only DD the car.

If you want something that you can live with everyday and have something nice to start with for tracking the car (eventually), then +100 for Koni/GC. Pair them with Tein or Cusco camber plates for best results.

If you just care about dumping the car, just get one of the pre-assembled kits, because an OTS Koni won't let you do that...

spool_sample · 08-16-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RUTH'LESSDET

Thanx for the info whats the price on a good set of camber plates???

Depending on where you go, the Tein camber plates are about $150. The rear upper mounts are about the same price.

You could get away with just the front plates.

Aoshi112 · 08-16-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mRclARK1

How about you let him buy whatever he wants, and you shut the fuck up?

I like that idea.

It's his money, and since he probably just street drives his car, cheap coilovers will do the job.

If all the products coming out of Japan are "crap"... why do they work for MANY people using them in competitive racing? A friend of mine has Tein coilovers (don't remember which) on his car, and he tracks his car often. He's had the Tein's for at least a couple years now, and his teins outlasted his brothers Koni shocks. I'm not saying Koni, or the brands mentioned (Bilstein etc.) are crap, but it comes down to WHAT type of driving you want to do, and how the suspension is tuned and even what quality of roads it's used on.

You have one friend who competitively races thats great. I've yet to delve into that but when I research products I want to hear from someone who actually has a lot more experience.

Dennis Grant isn't just some no name guy who talks shit on jdm coilovers. If you read that site and read up on him, he's won quite a few championships with his DSM AND he built custom suspension for people.

"For a while, I was the shock engineer for a race team, and was designing, building, and rebuilding shock packages for customers. A big part of this service was running customer shocks on the dyno to set a baseline for where they were currently at. I dynoed a couple of hundred shocks, representing the spread of almost every shock brand extant." - Dennis Grant

Given his opinion on other brands of shocks and coilovers is a bit extreme, I do have to say his opinion is a very educated opinion, more so than most people on this board and your friend who competitively races on Teins. I don't mean to knock your friend but I rather trust Dennis Grant and Dave Coleman's opinion on suspension.

mRclARK1 · 08-16-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Aoshi112

You have one friend who competitively races thats great. I've yet to delve into that but when I research products I want to hear from someone who actually has a lot more experience.

Dennis Grant isn't just some no name guy who talks shit on jdm coilovers. If you read that site and read up on him, he's won quite a few championships with his DSM AND he built custom suspension for people.

"For a while, I was the shock engineer for a race team, and was designing, building, and rebuilding shock packages for customers. A big part of this service was running customer shocks on the dyno to set a baseline for where they were currently at. I dynoed a couple of hundred shocks, representing the spread of almost every shock brand extant." - Dennis Grant

Given his opinion on other brands of shocks and coilovers is a bit extreme, I do have to say his opinion is a very educated opinion, more so than most people on this board and your friend who competitively races on Teins. I don't mean to knock your friend but I rather trust Dennis Grant and Dave Coleman's opinion on suspension.

Talk about putting words in my mouth. lol

I never said this Dennis Grant was just some guy who's an idiot or anything, he sure sounds like he knows what he's doing, and I'm not saying any of the setups/products he recommends are no good. I've had Koni shocks (briefly... then sold the car) and I liked them just fine. All I'm trying to say is I don't think anything that a "JDM coilover" is guaranteed shit is all. Suspension setup is dependent on what type of racing and/or driving you want to do. In the past I've had spring/shock combos, and I prefer coilovers. I'm mainly into drift racing, and for me... I think coilovers are better for that. I like how the car handles with them. My buddy, who is drifting on Teins, has had them for a couple years now, and they're holding up fine. The dampers are adjustable, there is definitely a noticeable difference between the hardest and softest settings. I was just in the car 2 weeks ago. lol. Not to mention the fact I'm sure at least several Japanese drivers are using JDM "shit" coilovers, and they seem to be working for them just fine as well.

RUTH'LESSDET · 08-17-2007, 06:11 AM

Wow what a crazy thread thanx for posting all this info guys I really appreciate it. And to (iceman) no hard feelings man

lol

RUTH'LESSDET · 08-17-2007, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mRclARK1

I don't think everyone is a drifter. I don't see the point however of putting thousands of dollars into a car for performance, and it NEVER touches the race track. Be it for WHATEVER type of racing you enjoy

What about people who just street race? I personally know alot of people (not me

) from NY that have cars w/more than 250hp, turbo, etc that have never tracked or drift, or auto x, nothing...they just use there cars for round town driving, highway racing, and just DD. you guys are probably looking at this like

? its true. I had my sil80 in 2002-2004(fully built sr20 hks turbo etc) and that car never touched a track ever and I spent hella $$$ on that car I just use the car for DD and for occasional stop light to stop light race, Going to local 240sx meets(Importfanatix.com),etc(never even entered a show car). Even now I dont think I would track my car still but I just want the car to be WELL Equipped just in case I feel like doing that. Some of you may think thats crazy but out here in NY (Queens, Brooklyn) people tend to drag race for $$$$ more often in my option rather than tracking...I dont know any people that autox and/or drift/grip etc (not including forum people)

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Originally Posted by mRclARK1

This is just turning into a coilover vs. spring/shock combo thread...

yeah kinda its pretty cool though because I wasn't even thinking anything about spring/shock combos, because all Ive been hearing nowadays when im browsing through forums is STANCE, MEGAN, KTS (basically coilovers cheap ones). So I said to myself after being out of the performance game for 2 years now that stance, megan, kts etc, must be good. All the local forum guys I know have them...so now what????

*AceInHole* · 08-17-2007, 07:17 AM

Be baller. Buy some 4-way Motons.

08-16-2007, 01:55 AM	#64
irax Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 37 Posts: 4,248 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	WTF why is everyone suggesting good suspension? just go with Tein coilovers, like their basic model. Everyone on zilvia complains that they are too soft for daildrift or weekend worrior. but for daily driver for something that wants it a little low. they tein basics would be the best bet and the price you want to spend. dont bother with *Powered By Max, BECAUSE THEY BUILD THEIR SHIT FOR DRIFTING!* NOT PARKING HARD! __________________ Drives a BRZ and is building a V6 S12 coupe.

08-17-2007, 06:11 AM	#88
RUTH'LESSDET Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NYC Age: 41 Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Wow what a crazy thread thanx for posting all this info guys I really appreciate it. And to (iceman) no hard feelings man lol __________________ 91 Sil80-Sold, LS2 Powered 1997 240sx-Traded, 2005 350z-Sold, Whats next?

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AceInHole Autox Technician Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Haven, CT Age: 40 Posts: 3,961 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: AceInHole Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Be baller. Buy some 4-way Motons. __________________

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08-16-2007, 01:46 AM	#63
Aoshi112 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 620 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	As per Dennis Grant: "Where there's no Bilstein fitment and Penskes are too expensive, Konis are usually perfectly adaquate. They are, by far, the best budget shock and better than any of the crap coming out of Japan. JIC, GAB, Tokiko, Tein - synonyms for "crap"." http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html Can't go wrong with the GC/Koni setup. I actually emailed Dave Coleman and he suggested the GC/Koni setup to me for something on a budget. -Jason

08-16-2007, 01:55 AM	#65
EDacIouSX Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles Age: 35 Posts: 4,527 Trader Rating: (53) Rides Gallery: EDacIouSX Feedback Score: 53 reviews	if you want better comfort... wider wheels help and some good shock/spring combo or a good set of coilovers that dampen well. Basically for wide wheels.. it will make it so your tires don't fall into holes as much. it's wider so the hole has to be wider for the wheel to fall in therefore you don't feel as many of the holes in the ground when you roll over them (i live in l.a., holes everywhere). For coilovers/spring+shocks you want something that dampens well. The stiffness of the spring isn't important as much as how well the shocks dampen with the type of spring it's using.

08-16-2007, 09:27 AM	#69
scarecrow27 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York Posts: 121 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	dg5 > all else

08-16-2007, 01:23 PM	#77
timlush Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Louisville, KY Age: 36 Posts: 1,169 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	So how low can you go with Koni/GC setup?