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WISH ONE · 05-31-2011, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubbles

If you're under six foot your opinion doesn't even matter in the bodybuilding world.

Incorrect.
Its actually better to be smaller.
Most bodybuilders dont even break the six foot mark.
Ronnie Coleman is only like 5'10
Jay Cutler, mr. olympia 5'9
Frank zane 5'9
For example go look at the arnold classic and tell me how many of the contenders are over six foot, probably like 3 out of 10, if that.
You may be thinking of more fitness model type, they actually have a class that is more AF model, pool body type now.

PNgo12 · 05-31-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Persona

Looking to try a new bicep routine? What do some of you experienced guys do to really target the muscle?

I like preacher curls and standing hammer curls, just make sure you have good form and don't swing your body to help move the weight.

WISH ONE · 05-31-2011, 07:19 PM

Close grip pullups. Weighted if possible.
I like 21s as well

SuicidnS13 · 05-31-2011, 07:42 PM

LOL I havent seen that many over 6' tall BB win Mr. olyimpia in a while. Btw bubbles wheres your pics?

Om1kron · 05-31-2011, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PNgo12

I like preacher curls and standing hammer curls, just make sure you have good form and don't swing your body to help move the weight.

Pullups. you want biceps. do pulls ups. close grip, wide grip, palms out.

BOROSUN · 05-31-2011, 10:34 PM

dips on parallel bar and chairs..etc

it helped my push up. one of my goal was to do planche push ups. too lazy these days.

WISH ONE · 05-31-2011, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Om1kron

Pullups. you want biceps. do pulls ups. close grip, wide grip, palms out.

So true and you get awesome lats in the process.
Weighted pullups, get a weight belt and chain and throw a 45lb on it

jamg · 05-31-2011, 10:58 PM

new guy that lifts at my gym.

he's 6'1" and 305 lbs @ ~16%

he told me he was taking it easy, he's usually around 350lbs.

dude is a mother fucking TANK. his back/lats is so wide and thick....

he told me he was mrin my squats haha.

also told me he's korean, and only have been lifting for 3 years. 3 freaking years. he's got some STRONG ass genetics.

PNgo12 · 05-31-2011, 11:05 PM

Amazon.com: Pull Up Bar Sit Up Bar 3 In 1 - Easy Door Mount: Health & Personal Care

Pull ups on the L shaped thing right? I'm not talking about the straight bar but the L or J whatever letter you wanna use looking bar. Those work the biceps right?

Pactin · 05-31-2011, 11:08 PM

Palms away from you: tri's/ lats
Palms towards each other: shoulders
Palms towards you: bi's

Persona · 05-31-2011, 11:37 PM

Thanks for the pullup suggestion, sounds good to switch it up! Havent tried those weighted or with different form, usually just some regular ones at the beginning and end of the workout.

mrchomponthis · 05-31-2011, 11:50 PM

Probably JENNYJUICIN

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamg

new guy that lifts at my gym.

he's 6'1" and 305 lbs @ ~16%

he told me he was taking it easy, he's usually around 350lbs.

dude is a mother fucking TANK. his back/lats is so wide and thick....

he told me he was mrin my squats haha.

also told me he's korean, and only have been lifting for 3 years. 3 freaking years. he's got some STRONG ass genetics.

Om1kron · 05-31-2011, 11:55 PM

most dudes that have an awesome bench and all that jazz cant do a strict flat bar pull up for shit. i got mad respect for dudes who can hit strict pull ups. all the way up chest to bar and lock out at the bottom. That shit is hard as fuck.

jamg · 05-31-2011, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Om1kron

currently just losing weight so i'm not all bronze gooded like you, you can see my progress photos on the bodyspace link if you wish.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/on...ction=progress

don't taze me bro lol.

take this picture for instance. sure my bicep looks big and I can fill out a shirt pretty nice but look at the fat between my bicep and forearm. Now I'm shooting for overall strength after not lifting for 2 years and handling food like a fat champion lol.

I used to be a scrawny guy, and I got over 200 pounds no problem. Just seems a lot of people aren't patient enough to get up there naturally is all.

A good example is my buddy joe, dude is from Guam and is like 5'4. This is him 10-12 years ago

his parents both died from natural causes just being unhealthy in general, whatever the cause was it sparked his interest in bodybuilding to be healthy. I can vouch Joe is all natural and is all about hard work. Although this is the only photo I could find where he doesn't look gay as hell lol.

just cause he's big now doesn't mean he has lost his inner sissy.

haha.

hard work no doubt.

but he is also 5'4".

he weighs what? 160? It doesn't take much to fill out a short frame.

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Originally Posted by WISH ONE

I dead lifted 315 4x4 yesterday. 8 days ago I couldn't lift it off the ground. I upped carb/ protein, overall food intake since then and damn I feel alot better.
Im not doing so bad considering I had umbilical hernia surgery 2 months ago. lol
Powerlifting and bodybuilding are two different worlds.
The difference in body types tells all.

on heavy lifting days, eat fast food.

serious.

i do it all the time, it gives me SO much energy. i'm actually able to do more *working* sets on the lift.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrchomponthis

Probably JENNYJUICIN

cell tech out of his phuckin mind + awesome genetics.

SuicidnS13 · 06-01-2011, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jamg

hard work no doubt.

but he is also 5'4".

he weighs what? 160? It doesn't take much to fill out a short frame.

on heavy lifting days, eat fast food.

serious.

i do it all the time, it gives me SO much energy. i'm actually able to do more *working* sets on the lift.

cell tech out of his phuckin mind + awesome genetics.

Wow this is the first real piece of mis-informatin Ive seen you really post up yet. Frame has nothing to do with filling in. Trust me, 160lbs @ 5'4" and lean is hard work for Wayne's friend to maintain. Our bodies like to keep an equal balance. Our frames naturally tell us what our bodies limitations will be. I hit mine right around 155lbs. I have a very small frame which that plus my genetics held me back. Sure Im only 5'7" and weight roughly 180 @ 10% roughly.

Now in all seriousness anyone over 5'10"-6'0" if you weigh under 190 @ sub 11% you are skinny as fuck. You will not look good in any shirt except for Shmediums till your around 200-205. Talking weight numbers is no way to talk about bodybuilding. It is a physique contest hands down. Its all about who looks better in a symetrical way. I dont give a fuck if your 220 @ 6'1 and bench 500lbs and deadlift 600lbs. If you have a 36" waste your just another John Candy in my book. Fuck if you have a 33-34 waste your overweight by a loong shot.

Your look also defines your health. I dont know what else to say but if your fat your fat. If you look like a crazy roided out body building monster you probably are(probably with extemely high blood pressure too). There is no sugar coating it. You are what you eat no matter what supplements, steroids or pro-horomones you take. The diet defines your look, the other shit is just icing on the cake.

SuicidnS13 · 06-01-2011, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Om1kron

I'm not too happy with how I phyiscally look at the moment, but I'm happy as fuck with my 170kg deadlift. I attempted 182(400lbs) but I gave up the proud chest and dropped it. Was going up super easy too.

Either way I'm super stoked I was shooting for 360 today as that would've been the most I've EVER deadlifted and I got up 374 like a boss.

Just caught this... good shit bro... keep up the hard work!

WISH ONE · 06-01-2011, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamg

on heavy lifting days, eat fast food.

serious.

i do it all the time, it gives me SO much energy. i'm actually able to do more *working* sets on the lift.
.

LOL never, fast food makes me crash.
I dont eat fast food period. For me, eating fast food consist of going to the teriyaki chicken place and getting breast on rice,
Or grabbing a bar and a meal shake at the local nutri store.
Grabbing "fast food" just means I was a slacker the night before and didnt prep my meals for the coming day.

SuicidnS13 · 06-01-2011, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WISH ONE

LOL never, fast food makes me crash.
I dont eat fast food period. For me, eating fast food consist of going to the teriyaki chicken place and getting breast on rice.

Same here I get a really bad insulin crash from the sugar. Fast food after a heavy lifting day can be beneficial as thats when you want the insulin flowing. Thus why Jay Cutler calls Coke (the soda) poor mans Insulin. He would down a liter of it after every workout followed by 100g protein and 150g carbs.

This is Jay before everything else. He is still a teen ager in this video and its way back in 1993

YouTube - ‪Jay Cutler 1993‬&rlm;

This is him today at my gym

YouTube - ‪Jay Cutler Motivation‬&rlm;

Its nice having people like him to turn to for advice. It also helps that he worked in my union for years before he went big time pro in early 2000. His cycle is nuts but to make what he makes and to compete at that level its nessecary.

Persona · 06-01-2011, 09:53 AM

While were talking about meals and diet, whats a good daily meal breakdown for someone looking to build more muscle, but be cut?

I feel like thats where I am really lacking right now, my knowledge for meals and food througout the day is pretty bleak. Besides staying away from junk food and empty carbs which I've always done for the most part.

SuicidnS13 · 06-01-2011, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Persona

While were talking about meals and diet, whats a good daily meal breakdown for someone looking to build more muscle, but be cut?

I feel like thats where I am really lacking right now, my knowledge for meals and food througout the day is pretty bleak. Besides staying away from junk food and empty carbs which I've always done for the most part.

cut or add muscle.... adding muscle will also drop over all body fat% but your look wont really change till you truly cut.

check out simplyshredded.com and look up their meal plans. its a good start.

jamg · 06-01-2011, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuicidnS13

Wow this is the first real piece of mis-informatin Ive seen you really post up yet. Frame has nothing to do with filling in. Trust me, 160lbs @ 5'4" and lean is hard work for Wayne's friend to maintain. Our bodies like to keep an equal balance. Our frames naturally tell us what our bodies limitations will be. I hit mine right around 155lbs. I have a very small frame which that plus my genetics held me back. Sure Im only 5'7" and weight roughly 180 @ 10% roughly.

Now in all seriousness anyone over 5'10"-6'0" if you weigh under 190 @ sub 11% you are skinny as fuck. You will not look good in any shirt except for Shmediums till your around 200-205. Talking weight numbers is no way to talk about bodybuilding. It is a physique contest hands down. Its all about who looks better in a symetrical way. I dont give a fuck if your 220 @ 6'1 and bench 500lbs and deadlift 600lbs. If you have a 36" waste your just another John Candy in my book. Fuck if you have a 33-34 waste your overweight by a loong shot.

Your look also defines your health. I dont know what else to say but if your fat your fat. If you look like a crazy roided out body building monster you probably are(probably with extemely high blood pressure too). There is no sugar coating it. You are what you eat no matter what supplements, steroids or pro-horomones you take. The diet defines your look, the other shit is just icing on the cake.

yeah i know. height has an effect on looking big depending on how much mass you have.

him @ 160lbs lean >>>>>>>>>>> me @ 6' 160lbs lean

i need to get up to 200-220 maybe to even have arms like those.

SuicidnS13 · 06-01-2011, 12:07 PM

exactly do not forget about your actual bone density weight. Every inch roughly equates to additional 7lbs of over all lean mass. so a 5'7" @ 180 @ 10% is 210 @ 10% to equal symetrical size and look. You tall guys allready have weight in your frames alone.

this is me as of this morning

post up your guys pics or your opinions dont mean shiet.

WISH ONE · 06-01-2011, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Persona

While were talking about meals and diet, whats a good daily meal breakdown for someone looking to build more muscle, but be cut?

I feel like thats where I am really lacking right now, my knowledge for meals and food througout the day is pretty bleak. Besides staying away from junk food and empty carbs which I've always done for the most part.

Its about finding a balance to where you arent at a complete deficit but also not overloading with cals.
Times your body weight by 11 to get baseline cals.
This morning i weighed in at 188x11=2068 cals just idling, then id add around 900 cals to compensate for metabolic rate(everyone is different).
so I am just around 3k to be on a near perfect diet(3k still not enough cals).
If I want to cut up I minus 500, If I want to bulk I start adding in increments of 500 also.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuicidnS13

check out simplyshredded.com and look up their meal plans. its a good start.

I love that site!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuicidnS13

Fast food after a heavy lifting day can be beneficial as thats when you want the insulin flowing.

this is what i was thinking also, but still much rather have whole foods after workout and a nice big shake with all the goodies.(carbs, dextrose, whey etc.)

keistyle · 06-01-2011, 12:12 PM

I have some bowflex freeweights for sale, the adjustable ones. For 120. I just don't have the stands. I need these puppies gone

Om1kron · 06-01-2011, 05:19 PM

just heavy ass lifting, half ass dieting. I'm sure if I was into cutting I would've looked retarded.

I'll post some updated pictures in december after I drop about 20 more lbs.

SuicidnS13 · 06-01-2011, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keistyle

I have some bowflex freeweights for sale, the adjustable ones. For 120. I just don't have the stands. I need these puppies gone

Arent those the Chuck Norris weights???

SuicidnS13 · 06-01-2011, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Om1kron

just heavy ass lifting, half ass dieting. I'm sure if I was into cutting I would've looked retarded.

I'll post some updated pictures in december after I drop about 20 more lbs.

Damn drop like 5% of BF and you would look like a totally different person. Having mass to start is always a nice benefit. Although I never agreed with the statement its easier to cut then to add weight. Because adding weight is cake, its the sacrifices while cutting thats hard.

heavenboundkevin · 06-01-2011, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamg

also told me he's korean, and only have been lifting for 3 years. 3 freaking years. he's got some STRONG ass genetics.

korean here, this statement concerning good genetics must be false.

SuicidnS13 · 06-01-2011, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heavenboundkevin

korean here, this statement concerning good genetics must be false.

Sorry but they are unfortunately true. In great example of genetic choosing look at african americans in comparison to the majority of african natives. Slave traders picked the strongest best built and back then nothing but genetics differentiated people. There was no celltech protien, no p90x, no anabolics just plain old genetics. Same goes with many asian descendants, small, frail and so so metabolisms.

heavenboundkevin · 06-01-2011, 09:29 PM

^ lol wut? meaning if koreans have good genetics, they skipped me.

05-31-2011, 07:19 PM	#573
WISH ONE Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: orange county ca Posts: 2,738 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Close grip pullups. Weighted if possible. I like 21s as well __________________ PARTING/SELLING MY COUPE. PM ME.

05-31-2011, 07:42 PM	#574
SuicidnS13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,479 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	LOL I havent seen that many over 6' tall BB win Mr. olyimpia in a while. Btw bubbles wheres your pics? __________________ BX\|Photo LS400 - Slammed \| Fitted \| Loud

05-31-2011, 11:37 PM	#581
Persona Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 917 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Thanks for the pullup suggestion, sounds good to switch it up! Havent tried those weighted or with different form, usually just some regular ones at the beginning and end of the workout. __________________

05-31-2011, 11:55 PM	#583
Om1kron Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 40 Posts: 6,879 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	most dudes that have an awesome bench and all that jazz cant do a strict flat bar pull up for shit. i got mad respect for dudes who can hit strict pull ups. all the way up chest to bar and lock out at the bottom. That shit is hard as fuck. __________________ Wayne

06-01-2011, 09:53 AM	#589
Persona Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 917 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	While were talking about meals and diet, whats a good daily meal breakdown for someone looking to build more muscle, but be cut? I feel like thats where I am really lacking right now, my knowledge for meals and food througout the day is pretty bleak. Besides staying away from junk food and empty carbs which I've always done for the most part. __________________

05-31-2011, 10:34 PM	#576
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	dips on parallel bar and chairs..etc it helped my push up. one of my goal was to do planche push ups. too lazy these days.

05-31-2011, 10:58 PM	#578
jamg Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2009 Location: GA Posts: 2,106 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	new guy that lifts at my gym. he's 6'1" and 305 lbs @ ~16% he told me he was taking it easy, he's usually around 350lbs. dude is a mother fucking TANK. his back/lats is so wide and thick.... he told me he was mrin my squats haha. also told me he's korean, and only have been lifting for 3 years. 3 freaking years. he's got some STRONG ass genetics.

05-31-2011, 11:05 PM	#579
PNgo12 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westminster Age: 29 Posts: 373 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Amazon.com: Pull Up Bar Sit Up Bar 3 In 1 - Easy Door Mount: Health & Personal Care Pull ups on the L shaped thing right? I'm not talking about the straight bar but the L or J whatever letter you wanna use looking bar. Those work the biceps right?

05-31-2011, 11:08 PM	#580
Pactin Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Fremont, CA Age: 31 Posts: 98 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Palms away from you: tri's/ lats Palms towards each other: shoulders Palms towards you: bi's

06-01-2011, 12:07 PM	#592
SuicidnS13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,479 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	exactly do not forget about your actual bone density weight. Every inch roughly equates to additional 7lbs of over all lean mass. so a 5'7" @ 180 @ 10% is 210 @ 10% to equal symetrical size and look. You tall guys allready have weight in your frames alone. this is me as of this morning post up your guys pics or your opinions dont mean shiet. __________________ BX\|Photo LS400 - Slammed \| Fitted \| Loud

06-01-2011, 12:12 PM	#594
keistyle Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: rancho cucamonga, ca Age: 31 Posts: 1,580 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	I have some bowflex freeweights for sale, the adjustable ones. For 120. I just don't have the stands. I need these puppies gone __________________ Tacoheroi.com

06-01-2011, 05:19 PM	#595
Om1kron Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 40 Posts: 6,879 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	just heavy ass lifting, half ass dieting. I'm sure if I was into cutting I would've looked retarded. I'll post some updated pictures in december after I drop about 20 more lbs. __________________ Wayne

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