kingkilburn

When my own authority has been taken from me without my consent each and every officer must prove to me that they are worth while. In my nearly 25 years of life I've had ONE COP do the right thing and a string of bull shit outside of that.

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DS562

so, using your logic, a group of black men have abused their children and now im right in assuming they are all abusive and must prove to me otherwise?

the mexican cartel has smuggled massive amounts of drugs and killed many people, so im safe to assume my neighbor will do the same?

this is an unfair generalization, is it not?

granted there are some pricks carrying a gun and badge, but the same can and is said for every social group, ethnicity and occupation.

so while swinging from Wake's nutsack, you are in fact spouting the same unfair assumptions about police that you are speaking against.

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kingkilburn

That is not at all what I am saying.

An outside force has decided that I can't handle my own business and took my own authority and liberty away from me. As an individual I am powerless to stop them from doing so. Given the situation I will make damn sure they are doing their jobs properly.


In the video here they are clearly not doing their jobs correctly or the kid would have remained in custody and the father informed why. Or better yet he would never have been thrown in the back of a squad car to start with.



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Not only is my scrutiny of the government and police my prerogative it is the vital role of citizens in a republic and democracy.

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DS562

once more, there are incompetent jackasses in every occupation. i know many good cops, and aspiring to be one myself, i find the broad hatred toward the line between chaos and order unsettling. truth be told, we arent there to control your life's problems, but when it involves a 2nd party, a third is usually necessary. if not, then why was the officer called?

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SochBAT

DON'T DO IT ANAKIN!!!!

kingkilburn

Why when an officer is called about gang violence do they roll up with a shitty attitude about how they have better things to be doing?


Why do I get fallowed 4 miles through a residential area and watch the squad car roll through every single stop sign?





You want to be a cop? Good for you. Be the one guy on the force that breaks the trend and makes people happy that you are who they had to relinquish their liberty to.

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kingkilburn

Bonus points to DS562 for trying to argue that I am essentially racist against law enforcement.

R.I.P. zilvia rep system.

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Serious i miss the rep system.....So many people i would love to just take to red.....*evil laugh*

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Prime

I've been hassled by Black cops, White cops, one Japanese cop, several Hispanic cops, etc...

The one thing they all had in common? Cops. In almost all cases the only thing wrong with me or anything I was doing was my paintjob, and I don't mean on my car. I can list multiple situations, even one where the officer LIED UNDER OATH to attempt to stick me with a speeding violation. And I proved it. As far as I know he's still working the beat. Yet, when my house was broken into and I walked in on two guys running out of my backdoor with armfuls of my stuff, I call the police. 3 days later they send a tech by to take a statement and some "prints".

Tell me why I'm wrong to dislike police again? I've forgotten why I strayed from the flock.

yokotas13

wheres the NAAWP....just saying
"minorities" have WAY more hand holding oppourtunities than "non minorities" which is kind of skewed nowadays depending on where you are anyways.

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nomoremk2

I almost don't even want to get involved in this. However I feel like it's absolutely ridiculous to assume white people don't get hassled by police. You think if you're white in America you have some sort of title that you can't be screwed with? It's not about racism, it's about crooked cops. I don't think there was any hint of racism going on here at all. Call me blind if you want. Not a single one of you knows the entire story of what happened so it's ALL speculation. There's no need to get worked up and drag race into it. You don't know what his kid was doing. I've been pulled over for bullshit reasons before, had my car sniffed by police dogs for an hour straight and I'm a white male. You can't say white people don't go through these things. It's all injustice there's no issue of color here unless you make it one. I think you guys need to put it to rest and take the video for what it is. You only see half the story, his side. You know nothing of the cops half or why they detained the child. All I can add about that is, everytime I've seen the back of a cop car, I usually deserved it.

Wake

sorry but it seems like alot of the "white people" are missing the point completely.

I never intended it to be a black and white thing. We all know that cops are trained to profile. And that has nothing to do with the color of the cops skin.
Not once did I bring that up as a factor.
Not once did I say white people dont get hassled.
Not once did i say that I even dislike, let alone hate cops or law enforcement.
Not once did I say anything about the color of a cops skin OR the person they are harassing.

My point is simply this. White people will not know what it is like to be ANY person of color.
You will never have to experience walking down the street and having old white couples sneer at you and your white gf, you will never have to deal with the prejudice of stereotypes associated with the color of your skin.
There are simple differences in day to day life as a black or person of color in america has to deal with that white people, obviously, have no understanding of. All you guys are doing is re-enforcing my point as to how ignorant you actually are to what its like to be us.

This whole "white people are at a disadvantage in america" thing is just fucking stupid. next someone is going to bring up the fact that we have BET as some sort of field leveler.


Seriously?
Of all the people on here that need to have a heaping helping of STFU its you. All you so is run your fucking mouth ever since your glorious return to the BBQ. You may make cool products and even have some of my money, but I have zero respect for you as a person. obviously not that you give a fuck.
Do you know the definition of a stereotype?
Please go look it up and tell me how i am supposed to "live outside" someones predetermined notion of me. I am already so far outside the stereotype for my demographic that people call me "whitewashed" how is that supposed to make me feel?
You just spouted the most presumptive high horsed bullshit in this thread.

Exactly my point. what the fuck would someone without the history have to worry about?




You can sit there and say the cops didnt do anything wrong. When I personally stop being harassed by police I will agree with you. I can remember specific instances of me and my dad being harassed when I was as young as 7 years old. What type of impression do you think the cops are going to leave on the kid in this video? We cant be the only ones trying to break the "cycle", everyone has to participate.

You need to brush up on your history if you think this country was not founded on fundamental racism. What the fuck was the civil war about?
Oh Im sorry that was because of industrial revolution right?
So since my ancestors made the mistake of selling the overpopulation to European slave traders I should just forget the following 2-300 years of institutionalized racism?
how does that work?
You didnt invent slavery?
LOL I never said you did, unless your some 16th century dutch guy. There have been slaves as long as there has been civilization. But I swear we are talking about AMERICA.
If there was no MARKET for slaves, and Europeans hadn't presented the opportunity how would slavery have started? I suppose the Africans would have just started chaining themselves up and voluntarily shipped themselves by the millions (12 or more) to a new country to be separated from their families and whipped and raped to work for free right? All while helping subjugate and destroy ANOTHER group of indigenous people.
And dont start getting all off into who were already slaves in Africa and the African slave trade and all that because we are talking specifically about the slave trade in America, The Atlantic slave trade was by far the worst (by sheer volume) in world history.

Wtf was I thinking? thank you for elevating my consciousness.

I dont give a fuck what you or Morgan fucking Freeman said, His ass was never a fucking slave either. It does not change the fact that things happened the way they did. I feel the way I feel, and I believe what I believe. If you choose to believe otherwise thats your prerogative. But dont tell me to stfu like Im some little kid with no valid point.
I understand what your saying about being outside the stereotype, and I make a conscious effort everyday to do so. I dont dress, walk, talk, or act "ghetto" but that doesnt stop me from getting pulled over or followed for no reason. Its a fact of life for all African Americans, especially male.

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I love how you know how it feels to be white so you CLEARLY see the delta,

You weren't a slave either, why do you carry the chip?


I may have been a little soap boxy, and I may have directed you more than your share for the heavy tinge of racism in this thread, my apologies,

Glorious return? that's a little silly not much glory and I was never really here, or left

I make a point of living outside of stereotype, but don't think racism isn't a 2 way street, there's more parts of town I can't walk thru than you,

I've been beaten severely on multiple occasions, with atleast one permanent reminder, for being the wrong color in the wrong place...what doesn't kill us makes us stronger, right?

and my BS wasn't presumptuous, I know you are black only because you talk about it frequently, I never point out I'm white, unless it is to cop-out of being accused of being cool...

I'm not saying you can stamp out racism in other people's hearts, there's gonna be haters everywhere you go, but the more people that stop worrying about what color they, or anyone else is, the easier it gets on everyone

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kingkilburn

Well I know how it feels to be both and I can say people of color still get a raw deal in America.

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Wake

HAHA I have 2 "white" sisters.

And 1 black.

We all lived in the same home and were raised by the same mom, but me and my younger sister (black) have had a much harder time growing up than either of my older sisters. Im sorry if I ever made it seem like I dont know both sides of the coin, but thats not the case I have had very clear examples numerous times of the differences between whites and blacks in america.
Even ask my white gf or my ex as they have experienced it firsthand since dating me. Its extremely presumptuous of you to assume anything about what I have said. I have stated facts, not opinion. I am mixed, not even that dark, which makes it even worse because I have to deal with prejudices from both whites and blacks.

Seriously try to find the dr phil where he dresses up the white people like black people and look at the white peoples reaction.

This is an never ending exhausting argument, that can not be won with a white person. That goes to my original point that you guys really dont have any inkling as to what its actually like.Im not carrying any chip on my shoulder because of slavery. I just simply refuse to forget, especially when it is still having a very real effect on black people.

I understand where your coming from about not empowering racists by playing into their bullshit. but i dont think you realize how much true underlying racism still remains even when everyone has a big smil on their faces and we are all singing kumbaya holding hands like a coke commercial.

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yokotas13

go live in japan

you deal with it every fucking day being american over there

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kingkilburn

And the Japanese are some of the most racist people on the planet.

Does that make it ok?

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ronmcdon

Not taking any sides, but Yokota has a point.

If you spent some time living abroad (or even visiting for some duration), that will give you a lot more perspective of what it feels to be treated like an outsider.
It's obviously not going to offer you the same perspective as others here, but it does allow you to empathize a bit more.

It's really hard to understand if you haven't experienced it first-hand.
As a mixed-race person, I didn't always feel welcome living in Hong Kong.
Race aside, I also feel that if you're not in tune with the mainstream culture in the US, it's difficult to get by at times.
I don't presume to know what others feel like or gone through, but I do feel like I can empathize a bit more.

yokotas13

Just saying don't play the I'm black and you don't understand card
Is bullshit lol

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kingkilburn

I felt more welcome in Germany than I have in places in America. I might have been born there but it's not my home and it feels pretty shitty to be treated with disdain here.

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Wake

Going to someone elses country that yours dropped 2 fucking Atom bombs on!? The only 2 dropped on people in the worlds history.

Yeah I wouldnt exactly expect them to welcome Americana with open arms, but I bet its harder for a black American in japan than it a white one as well, being that most asian cultures dont like black people of any nationality.
Where do white people get this victimized mentality? I dont get it.

Besides moving to another country and being discriminated against is nothing like having to deal with it on a regular basis in your HOME country, where it has been a HUGE part of a "richest and most awesome history", as Matej put it.

You may understand a small part of discrimination, but any hate you receive going to another country isnt exactly comparable. ESPECIALLY a country we were at war with at one point.

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I love how off topic this thread has become as this point. The op may aswell take down the vid, rename the thread and let you guys bicker about race all day. No one is ever going to win this. Neither side is going to fully understand the other's point of view so why go on? The original topic had nothing to do with racism or what it's like to be black.

Kingbaby

^^^^^

+1

I'm surprised you guys don't have a religious thread on here....those go for days on end....lmao

Not entirely true! You seem to not clearly grasp the whole situation. You and others are twisting two different reasons people play the race card. The race card is used weakly nowadays, I agree. It's main reason is HATE. Not dislike, or unfair situations. It's HATE pure HATE. I still use the race card!

I've been to most of planet earth.

The hatred a white male will get from a Japanese is for the most obvious reason(WWII). The same hatred isn't what has been displayed upon African Americans!

White males hated and want/wanted to kill African Americans.

while

White male goes to Japan, he isn't going to get his ass kicked/killed.


Get my drift, not the same!

What was displayed in America's history is on level with the genocide in Africa. Straight evil! It's not restricted to whities!

On the topic of the whole cop deal.

I still hate cops for several reasons.

1. They aren't paided enough, so they don't give a fuck.

2. Rather spend time chasing/ticketing cars, because of reason #1

3. Think there always right!

4. Quota

5. Confused on what CRIME is!

6. Scared to get shot!

7. Thinks reason #4 is there job.

I have a shitload more but it's lunch time here in Hawaii....


ALOHA!

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ronmcdon

Yeah but with WW2, who were the initial aggressors?
Japan also pretty much fucked over the Chinese, Koreans, Russians, etc.
How much have they acknowledged their wrongdoing throughout the years?
It's no coincidence that the relationship between Japan and China has never been great.
Many Japanese in my experience are still very discriminatory towards those who didn't drop any atom bombs.
Having visited with my Chinese family several times when I was a kid, it certainly was far from the most welcoming country I've visited.

I don't know if you can say 'white people' are victimized in Japan, but many Japanese will do a great job of trying to make you feel like shit & that you're not on equal terms with them.
The added cultural & language barrier only makes it much more isolating.

If you have not gone through these experience, I'm not sure it's fair for you to brush it off like it doesn't matter.
Likewise, I would not presume to say it does not matter to be a black person in the US today.
All ethnic & mixed race groups are going to see things differently here, or anywhere.

yokotas13

actually, black guys have it easier. most of the clubs are ran by nigerians

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HIGHFIVEBETA

the discussion in this thread went to irrelevancy at about page 2. people need to get a more eased back life on a sunday before you need to wake your unhappy selves at 7am on a monday morning .. real shit

and the video was retarded. some small town cops who look like they don't know the rights of a citizen and got owned once they figured the vid guy backed up his facts. city cops would have reacted differently for sure. no questions asked. right or wrong they do what they have to do. or think they have to do.

Wake

LOL
Dude, Actual Africans, really dont like African Americans.
They consider us sell outs. Maybe in the modern day of MTV and worldwide hiphop influence there is a small amount of mutual respect. But outside of that we wouldnt be anymore welcome than anyone else.












Im done

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Read this whole thread....Glad I am in Japan, this thread reminds me why I like this country so damn much......

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I sincerely hope you have many kids and raise them likewise.