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Old 08-18-2013, 07:04 PM   #61
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The discussion in this thread makes me want to bang my head against the wall.

Knocking off someone's wheel design is one thing, I can understand the issue here - though there's a certain point in time where you can only have so much reasonably variation between design and there will be some overlap, but I digress.

When speaking about wheel quality - specifically fit, finish, and robustness, Rotas, at least in my mind are 'good enough' wheels. For the price, they work well enough, look decent and I can't really complain otherwise. For the same functionality and visual effect, I could have gotten TE's and been in the hole 3x more money, for what? Cred? Lol.

As far as the standard set of rota failure pictures are concerned, most I've seen are all after someone has put the wheel under some extreme non-normal loading condition. How many of you have hit a pot hole in a car with OEM wheels and bent the rim? A rota isn't allowed to do this? How many of you have smashed a curb and destroyed a "real" wheel? A rota isn't allowed to break?

Now I think it makes sense, when it happens to someone else and the wheel is fake, the wheel is blamed to be the issue. When it happens to you and the wheel is 'real' then it's a tragedy that you did XYZ and destroyed a wheel.

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The discussion in this thread makes me want to bang my head against the wall.

Knocking off someone's wheel design is one thing, I can understand the issue here - though there's a certain point in time where you can only have so much reasonably variation between design and there will be some overlap, but I digress.

When speaking about wheel quality - specifically fit, finish, and robustness, Rotas, at least in my mind are 'good enough' wheels. For the price, they work well enough, look decent and I can't really complain otherwise. For the same functionality and visual effect, I could have gotten TE's and been in the hole 3x more money, for what? Cred? Lol.

As far as the standard set of rota failure pictures are concerned, most I've seen are all after someone has put the wheel under some extreme non-normal loading condition. How many of you have hit a pot hole in a car with OEM wheels and bent the rim? A rota isn't allowed to do this? How many of you have smashed a curb and destroyed a "real" wheel? A rota isn't allowed to break?

Now I think it makes sense, when it happens to someone else and the wheel is fake, the wheel is blamed to be the issue. When it happens to you and the wheel is 'real' then it's a tragedy that you did XYZ and destroyed a wheel.

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The ones that are all ripped/twisted out in the spokes, with no damage to the rim, look like they hooked up, and ripped the wheel apart.... but I could be wrong.

And if I'm NOT wrong, that's NOT something that a wheel should do.

In those pictures, the inside of the spokes also looks like porous crap.
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I watched something on Youtube about counterfeit Rotas and they do not withstand the same abuse as real Rotas or even good wheels period.
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Just like how the Honda B-series Hytech knockoff headers made more power than the actual Hytech headers.

My thoughts on this is that while yes, Rota fits the majority demand for a good looking wheel that allows ballers on a budget, (ie, broke ass kids) to buy something to make their car look better. I get it, cool. But they are still jacking the design of the real deal, and that in turn hurts the company that originated the design. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, sure, but it's still a petty way to make money off of someone else's originality. As the consumer, we ultimately drive the demand.

I personally have never bought a knockoff wheel for my cars, and I never will. I also don't shop at WalMart, or buy low quality shit. Am I rich? Absolutely not. But I'm not material driven, either. I don't have to have the latest and greatest smart phone/tv/car/bullshit to make me feel good, and I think that's the real core issue here...we're talking about the import scene, which has ALWAYS been about pushing the envelope into the next trendy thing, and unless you've got a money tree, you won't be able to constantly stay with the trends, so corners will be cut, Rotas will be bought, and hardparkers will park since that's all those lameass import kids know how to do since the racing has been tossed aside.

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Just like how the Honda B-series Hytech knockoff headers made more power than the actual Hytech headers.

My thoughts on this is that while yes, Rota fits the majority demand for a good looking wheel that allows ballers on a budget, (ie, broke ass kids) to buy something to make their car look better. I get it, cool. But they are still jacking the design of the real deal, and that in turn hurts the company that originated the design. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, sure, but it's still a petty way to make money off of someone else's originality. As the consumer, we ultimately drive the demand.

I personally have never bought a knockoff wheel for my cars, and I never will. I also don't shop at WalMart, or buy low quality shit. Am I rich? Absolutely not. But I'm not material driven, either. I don't have to have the latest and greatest smart phone/tv/car/bullshit to make me feel good, and I think that's the real core issue here...we're talking about the import scene, which has ALWAYS been about pushing the envelope into the next trendy thing, and unless you've got a money tree, you won't be able to constantly stay with the trends, so corners will be cut, Rotas will be bought, and hardparkers will park since that's all those lameass import kids know how to do since the racing has been tossed aside.

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Become a fucking hot-rodder then. Then, all that matters is how much did you do your self and how fast you go.

Rotas and Broke-Kids have done nothing to with the "OMFG LEGIT WHEELS" manufactures. They can't afford $4,500 in wheels, period. It's like saying a Fossil watch is going to put Rolex out of business or that the Chrysler 300 is stealing sales from Rolls-Royce.

First - Not many "Legit or Die" owners actually buy new. Most I've met bought thier shit used. By used does not put money in to the bank of Volk.

Second - Those that bought new, truly did so because "status" and "looks" and put very little thought into any real safety concern or actual performance enhancement. A Hellaflush Stanced Tucked Crabwalk car with suspension performance in mind.

Third - If "legit" companies are so concerned, then they can adapt. Make their shit available at Tire Rack and Discount Tire, offer "budget" wheel lines. Enkei and MB are great examples. The drones accept them as "legit" and you can pick up a set new for under $1200.


Once again, by making a big stink and dropping your mic you are feeding the beast you claim to hate. No one in the Muscle Car world gives two shits about "OMFG Fake Cobra Wheels wtf!!"
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Apparently the import world only cares when a bargain company rips off an expensive Japanese company.

(...proceeds to rain fire on thread)

At least Rota doesn't brand their knock offs with their competitors name. That's why they're upset. And I don't blame them, I'd be upset too.
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Apparently the import world only cares when a bargain company rips off an expensive Japanese company.

Cragar SS:


American Racing Torque Thrust:


Work VSKF:


Not to mention Work Meisters vs. SSR Professors.
Everyone is ripping everyone off. Even Work CR Kai's are a rip off of stock Toyota Camry wheels from the 90s.
Camry proof:


At least Rota doesn't brand their knock offs with their competitors name. That's why they're upset. And I don't blame them, I'd be upset too.
You are so off base with your comparisons, it's not even funny. Please compare and contrast the definitions: "similar" and "replication."



Also, please allow me to come up with a few more examples of copies using your logic and discerning eye:


These two:





These two:





These two:


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When is Rota going to knock off the Ronal bear wheels in 19x11 -30 offset?
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Wow, did somebody really compare cragars to VS-KFs and stated that the Work knocked them off? Similar styling yes, the same, fuck no...
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become a fucking hot-rodder then. Then, all that matters is how much did you do your self and how fast you go.

Rotas and broke-kids have done nothing to with the "omfg legit wheels" manufactures. They can't afford $4,500 in wheels, period. It's like saying a fossil watch is going to put rolex out of business or that the chrysler 300 is stealing sales from rolls-royce.

First - not many "legit or die" owners actually buy new. Most i've met bought thier shit used. By used does not put money in to the bank of volk.

Second - those that bought new, truly did so because "status" and "looks" and put very little thought into any real safety concern or actual performance enhancement. A hellaflush stanced tucked crabwalk car with suspension performance in mind.

Third - if "legit" companies are so concerned, then they can adapt. Make their shit available at tire rack and discount tire, offer "budget" wheel lines. Enkei and mb are great examples. The drones accept them as "legit" and you can pick up a set new for under $1200.


Once again, by making a big stink and dropping your mic you are feeding the beast you claim to hate. No one in the muscle car world gives two shits about "omfg fake cobra wheels wtf!!"
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Become a fucking hot-rodder then. Then, all that matters is how much did you do your self and how fast you go.

Once again, by making a big stink and dropping your mic you are feeding the beast you claim to hate. No one in the Muscle Car world gives two shits about "OMFG Fake Cobra Wheels wtf!!"
I sold my 240 after I bought a '66 Pontiac. That being said...

I can still voice my thoughts, and my 240 was and still is nicer than half of the bullshit you see in the parking lot these days. Some of us just grew out of it and onto other cars, I guess.
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Wow, did somebody really compare cragars to VS-KFs and stated that the Work knocked them off? Similar styling yes, the same, fuck no...
The import community seems to hold a VERY loose definition of "knock off."

Please show me the "original" wheels that the following were copied after (and remember, by your definition, they have to be EXACTLY the same, with no visible differences);

XXR 002


XXR 526


That's all for now. I'll wait for those pictures of the "originals."
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The import community seems to hold a VERY loose definition of "knock off."

Please show me the "original" wheels that the following were copied after (and remember, by your definition, they have to be EXACTLY the same, with no visible differences);

XXR 002


XXR 526


That's all for now. I'll wait for those pictures of the "originals."
Those wheels in particular take styling from the Panasport wheel and the other from the Work VS-XX.

Cragers and Work VS KF are very different. For one, the style of the spoke is way different, I can't even describe the spoke design compared to the Crager. Not to mention: the materials used, the way they're constructed, weight sizes/specs offered etc.
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I sold my 240 after I bought a '66 Pontiac. That being said...

I can still voice my thoughts, and my 240 was and still is nicer than half of the bullshit you see in the parking lot these days. Some of us just grew out of it and onto other cars, I guess.
When I say "hot-rodder" I'm not talking about actually 50's "hot rods" or classic cars. I'm saying embrace that mentality of "no fucks giving, I wanna go fast". I'm sure you've met plenty of these guys - the only thing that impresses them is how much blood sweat and tears you put into your ride and how fast it actually goes.

I've never seen Camaro owners bitch about "legit" body kits or whine about "knock off wheels" and I've never seen Mustang guys sit their and stroke themselves over name brand shit and fancy seats. Only on Ziliva (import community) have I ever seen someone actually remove superior aftermarket parts to replace them with "JDM" branded ones.
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