fromxtor

Do it man, No one I know has ever complained about their 4 point.



^^ See thats been your deal since post one in this thread, I do not drift. The only type of races I run are tandem, a.k.a. grip racing. My car is a full blown track car, it's been completely stripped. While i have spent quite a sum of money on my car, I cannot afford to take it drifting and smash into things/ppl and wear out tires like I'm sponsored. I have drifted, I like to spectate at events, but it's just not for me. Maybe these guys aren't going to drift, so the door bar/dash fitment argument might not apply to them/me.

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B Love

Yea thats cool thts why In other post I said I didnt know what was rquired for other things like scca and I said unless its required for autocross or road race. I am not familiar with those rules and guidelines at all

ep510

A 4 pt will work for the track( HPDE's, Time Trials etc) It is not as safe as a full cage---but it does give you the flexibility of being good for the street without wearing a helmet --no bars to hit your head on

AWDTurbo

I dont know who is designing your cages but I can build a custom 12 point cage for less than 400$ Your guys really should look into doing the fabricating yourself. Ya its work but you save money!! lots, all you need is a welder and a friend with a bender.

I would never in my life pay 2000$ for a cage, Hell NHRA dont even pay that much!!!!!

Koopa Troopa

Uh, I sit forward of any bar in the rear of my car, including the main hoop. I've seen videos of passengers hitting their heads on cages in Option or Drift Tengoku, they were all fine and laughing.

I was calling him a moron for spreading more misinformation when he cleary has no 1st hand experiance.

If I lived in the land of fabrication shops I sure as hell wouldn't be using a Cusco cage though...

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nwmrkt

ic this will take some time to think it out...anyways I wanted it because of the mounting points for the harnesses and that the bar will protect my when im strapped into the harnesses from being crushed in a roll over (god forbid). And since its a street car also I cannot wear a helmet. So this seems to be the best choice.

EJ253

sounds perfect for your situation
plus you dont have to give a bunch of people rides places. cuz your car will be a 2 seater

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as you guys may or may not know. In formula D they say they are recognized. but this past season. i don't think anyone used a cusco/safety 21 cage. D1 USA used to allow them. but they required all cars to have at minimum and x-bar on both passenger and driver. along with a rear firewall for the cars that ran fuel cells. as it stands now. formula D cages but meet scca/nasa safety requirements. which is why most d1 teams have 2 cars 1 for usa, and the other for japan. primarily for shipping reasons, and also because of safety regs. as me how i know. i've worked for D1 since 2003 at most events stateside save for jersey. i know the rules.

autopower doesn't fit somewhat unless you have full interior. it was designed that way. it also fits loose because not every chassis is in the same state of condition. and autopower is more readily available in the US. they are located in san diego.

koopa troopa. i've seen the same vids were they konk there heads. more often then not. americans will find a way to die from it. and usually american kids manage o hit light poles. parked cars. oncoming traffic and so forth. every crash is different

dousan hit it on the head. if you want snug fitment. eat ramen for 6months and drop the loot for a custom cage.

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Koopa Troopa

LMAO! That's awesome... Anyways here's my car with a death device installed

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kawika219

when your drifting or racing anything can happen. i know someone who got a concussion from hitting their head on the cage, AND he had a helmet on.

lv240s14

bolt ins suck ass get a wleded in cage for best fitment

Koopa Troopa

Hey another moron

You need to find another sport if you're wrapped up in what ifs.

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a_ahmed

More pix of the death device?

Koopa Troopa

Shit I wish bro. That's prolly the better of the pics but since it gives me a reason to whore off my car...




I'd have better ones but I am nowhere near my car and won't be for another 5 months.

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C. Anderson

+1 for more pics. BTW nice HUD.

(Weird, I was typing while you posted that)

Koopa Troopa

Thanks. It's the only speedometer in the car that works...

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ep510

Based on the side shot photo of your car ---you do not sit forward of all the bars. The Side bars can be impacted by your head. --At least put some padding on the bars. ---I realize you have seen people hit bars and not crack their heads --But it is not safe!

I have seen incidents on the track when people who were strapped into racing seats, wearing helmets, and were still able to hit the bars of a roll cage. One guys helmet cracked --but he was fine. ---What if it was your head--without a helmet, without roll bar padding. How would your head hold up ?

Koopa Troopa

I am not driving the car so therefor the seat isn't adjusted to me, you'd know that had you checked out my "Pics from dirka dirka land" thread on the Offtopic Forum, the rollcage design won't allow my seat to be even with or go behind the main hoop. Every bar I could bump my head on is padded, look closer. The padding is black.

People like you are the reason why they took out that extreamly fun wooden playground I played on as a kid.

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B Love

If that guy managed to hit his head after all that he must have some problems

ep510

Forget I commented --I did not realize you were the all knowing being who has more info , and knows more than any safety related rules from Racing organizations. I thought you might listen to people who have seen incidents and can save you some pain, aggravation and possibly your life.

For those that are not already brain dead ...... Well you can choose to ignore the warnings as well. Your choice.

ep510

Mild Concussion. Has not been back in a car on the track since.

McRussellPants

All of you guys are probably riding high and mighty in some sparco sprint with bottom mount rails.


My neck would have to stretch like 8in to hit my head on a cage bar if I wore my belts tight.

ep510

I use an Aluminum Race Seat --bolted to custom mounts and the rollbar.

And it is the belts that stretch --which allows the impact. And your neck will stretch ( maybe not 8in) and it is when it snaps back the damage occurs. Reference Dale Earnhardt accident and "hans device"

McRussellPants

My Neck won't stretch 8in

If the roof crumples a love tap from a roll bar is probably gonna be the least of my worries.

In the words of the late great Dale Earnhart "I aint had problems with my head comin of my shoulders"

Spirit of adventure, trade your car in for a wheelchair pops.


Throw the Kirkey in a dumpster, buy an FIA shell and maybe you can womp about safety.

Lower your seat to where you can barely see over the dash, you'll never hit your head on a roll bar ever.

ep510

Hey --best of luck with your head.

B Love

Dude I dont see how you can get a concusion thru your helment. Wtf was that guy doing.

axiomatik

lol at the "if it hasn't happened to me yet, I must be safe" mentality.

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Incident in the downhill at Limerock park (a racetrack in NW CT for those that may not know). --Car checked up in front of him, lost control impacted tirewall--bounced and impacted an earth berm. When it stopped-His head impacted the roll cage that all the experts on here state it cannot do. And yes he was in a 5 pt harness --properly installed.

the first impact stretched the belts --and when the car moved again and then impacted --they were not tight to keep him from moving.

I will not bother with the story of the GT3 Porsche this past weekend --With the FIA seats and the instructor in the car has the scuffs on his helmet where his head impacted the roll cage. ( Also at Lime Rock Park)

Listen to the other guys on here --I assume they have real world experience too. More than mine, I am sure. Or listen to the safety rules of the racing organizations.

They do not make up the rules to keep people off the Wooden playground ---they want to keep idiots from being killed.

--Draw your own conclusion.

drftwerks

fuck all this bolt in cage is dangerous talk,

this is what happens w/o cage,



and thats why i ordered the saftey 21 for my FC

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kawika219

you kidding me right? it like football, you can still get a concussion if you get hit hard enough, even though you have a helmet.