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Matej · 05-31-2009, 02:38 PM

Arrest made in slaying of Kan. abortion doctor - Crime & courts- msnbc.com
Guns, church, abortion. A Kansas tale.

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WICHITA, Kansas - An arrest has been made in the slaying of late-term abortion doctor George Tiller, who was gunned down Sunday morning at his church in Wichita, Kan., according to an FBI spokesperson.

Tiller, a prominent advocate for abortion rights wounded by a protester more than a decade ago, was serving as an usher and his wife was in the choir at the time of the shooting, his attorney said.

Tiller was shot during morning services at Reformation Lutheran Church, attorney Dan Monnat said. FBI said the suspect was apprehended without incident. An earlier manhunt was focused on a car registered to a Kansas City suburb nearly 200 miles away.

National anti-abortion groups had long focused on Tiller, one of the nation's few providers of late-term abortions. In 1991, the Summer of Mercy protests organized by Operation Rescue drew thousands of anti-abortion activists to this city for demonstrations marked by civil disobedience and mass arrests.

Shot in the arms in 1993
Some abortion opponents had resorted to attacks against Tiller and his Women's Health Care Services clinic long before Sunday's shooting. A protester shot Tiller in both arms in 1993, and his clinic was bombed in 1985.

The women's clinic run by Tiller is one of three in the nation where abortions are performed after the 21st week of pregnancy, when the fetus is considered viable, and has repeatedly been the site of protests for about two decades. A protester shot Tiller in both arms in 1993, and his clinic was bombed in 1985.

Monnat said Sunday that Tiller had asked federal prosecutors to step up investigations of vandalism and other threats against the clinic out of fear that the incidents were increasing and that Tiller's safety was in jeopardy.

Tiller's attorneys issued a statement on behalf of his wife, four children and 10 grandchildren.

"Today's event is an unspeakable tragedy for all of us and for George's friends and patients. This is particularly heart-wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace," the statement said.

"Our loss is also a loss for the city of Wichita and women across America. George dedicated his life to providing women with high-quality heath care despite frequent threats and violence."

Operation Rescue denounces shooting
Anti-abortion group Operation Rescue issued a statement denouncing the shooting.

"We are shocked at this morning's disturbing news that Mr. Tiller was gunned down," said Troy Newman, Operation Rescue's president. "Operation Rescue has worked for years through peaceful, legal means, and through the proper channels to see him brought to justice. We denounce vigilantism and the cowardly act that took place this morning."

Tiller began providing abortion services in 1973. He acknowledged abortion was as socially divisive as slavery or prohibition but said the issue was about giving women a choice when dealing with technology that can diagnose severe fetal abnormalities before a baby is born.

"Pre-natal testing without pre-natal choices is medical fraud," Tiller once said.

After the 1991 protests, Tiller kept mostly to his heavily guarded clinic, although in 1997 he opened it to three tours by state lawmakers and the media.

Tiller remained prominent in the news, in part because of an investigation started begun by former Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline, an abortion opponent.

Jury acquitted him in March
Prosecutors had alleged that Tiller had gotten second opinions from a doctor who was essentially an employee of his, not independent as state law requires. A jury in March acquitted Tiller of all 19 misdemeanor counts.

In the past, his clinic has been bombed, he has been shot in both his arms, and his property was vandalized constantly.
The life of an abortion doctor must be rough.

HyperTek · 05-31-2009, 02:42 PM

wow that sucks! id rather people do abortions than try to raise a kid that they cant even raise properly in a good environment.. these piece of shits who disliked him will just reproduce =(
RIP

Bubbles · 05-31-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Matej

The life of an abortion doctor must be rough.

It would seem choosing a profession that ends peoples' lives isn't so easy.

Bubbles · 05-31-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HyperTek

id rather people do abortions than try to raise a kid that they cant even raise properly in a good environment..

I'd rather people use a rubber or two.

SexPanda · 05-31-2009, 02:49 PM

Wow, that sucks.

As far as abortion goes... Well, lets just say Im all for survival of the fittest and natural selection.

jamg · 05-31-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubbles

I'd rather people use a rubber or two.

wouldn't we all?

but the fact is that people don't, and will not pull out. they make babies on accident. babies who grow up to either be successful, or the scum bags of this earth.

Matej · 05-31-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubbles

It would seem choosing a profession that ends peoples' lives isn't so easy.

Don't know, it doesn't seem difficult for the stereotypical Midwest-mentality pro-life patriots to join the army in order to "shoot themselves some [insert racist slur for people living in the Middle East]."

ronmcdon · 05-31-2009, 03:06 PM

I think that you have to consider the circumstances, where-ever you choose to live.
Given that, I don't think it's wise to open up a business in place that doesn't welcome you.
I don't know if the doc did this to be a martyr of ideals, or if he was just reckless.

Matej · 05-31-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ronmcdon

I think that you have to consider the circumstances, where-ever you choose to live.
Given that, I don't think it's wise to open up a business in place that doesn't welcome you.
I don't know if the doc did this to be a martyr of ideals, or if he was just reckless.

From a business perspective, the demand was always there and has only been growing, and he had virtually no competition in Kansas.
Perhaps it was truly idiotic, or perhaps it seemed like a genius idea, he just did not count on what extremes people would be willing to go to.

Kouki_Love · 05-31-2009, 03:29 PM

danmm that sucks!!! i dont really agree with aborting, adoption is a way better way to go but hey, to each their own i guess.

R.I.P

*brndck* · 05-31-2009, 03:45 PM

+1 for rubbers and birth control.
+1 for alternatives to a child being raised by someone who is completely incapable/unwilling to put forth the necessary effort to do a good job. (caylee anthony ring a bell?)
procreation is completely unnecessary at this point.
are we running short of humans?

no.

so why do we need more?

i boycott having kids until there is a shortage of people.

Matej · 05-31-2009, 03:46 PM

There will not be a shortage of people. Shortage of intelligent people, perhaps.

SexPanda · 05-31-2009, 03:49 PM

We need to just lose everything we rely on for day to day life. Give us a year of anarchy, and then when all the stupid/weak/unnecessary people are dead, give it all back, the same as before... except better.

Ralliart4 · 05-31-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HyperTek

wow that sucks! id rather people do abortions than try to raise a kid that they cant even raise properly in a good environment.. these piece of shits who disliked him will just reproduce =(
RIP

I agree and as long as the government supports a sysem where it is a financial incentive to BREED like wild animals.. they will continue to bleed the system.

SexPanda · 05-31-2009, 03:53 PM

So what your saying is that we should fix all the stupid people like we do dogs?

Because I'm down like a clown charlie brown. I don't want to toot my own horn, but I'm safe.

***FaLKoN240*** · 05-31-2009, 04:02 PM

Yay a thread where ZILVIA is arguing about morals, this is going to go REALLY far.

Shmex · 05-31-2009, 04:09 PM

wow, that really sucks.

Too many people push their opinions on people. This guy felt the badside of that.

I agree with abortion if their is an unstable family life, and no means to bring up a decent human being.

I dont believe in adoption, unless its a private adoption and its going to an actual family(thats how i was adopted when i was born)....

murda-c · 05-31-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SexPanda

We need to just lose everything we rely on for day to day life. Give us a year of anarchy, and then when all the stupid/weak/unnecessary people are dead, give it all back, the same as before... except better.

Do you think that the people who thrive in that situation will the be the ones who are the most intelligent or just the most ruthless and willing to hurt others?

It'll just turn us into a society full of assholes.

Bubbles · 05-31-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jamg

but the fact is that people don't, and will not pull out. they make babies on accident. babies who grow up to either be successful, or the scum bags of this earth.

Pulling out is a myth.

It's not anyone's choice whether the baby becomes 'successful' or a 'scum bag.'

That's irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Matej

Don't know, it doesn't seem difficult for the stereotypical Midwest-mentality pro-life patriots to join the army in order to "shoot themselves some [insert racist slur for people living in the Middle East]."

You're making a huge assumption that all 'stereotypical Midwest-mentality pro-life patriots' only join the army to shoot certain people.

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Originally Posted by murda-c

It'll just turn us into a society full of assholes.

We're not that far off.

Matej · 05-31-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubbles

You're making a huge assumption that all 'stereotypical Midwest-mentality pro-life patriots' only join the army to shoot certain people.

No.
Only the stereotypical ones.

SexPanda · 05-31-2009, 05:15 PM

Like busteds13 bubbles and I. Were gonna go over there, freebase, listen to Conway Twitty, and smack around some arabian women.

Matej · 05-31-2009, 05:21 PM

No, you guys are not stereotypical Midwesterners.
I can tell because you are on a Nissan forum.

SexPanda · 05-31-2009, 05:22 PM

I've been found out!

Play me off Sal!

lol I also own a suba... Um... I've got a beat up Rx7 with a SBC350? That work?

HyperTek · 05-31-2009, 05:36 PM

ok guys lets not turn this into a abortion debate lol. We all have our beliefs. This guy didnt deserve to die tho because his career was still helping people out who seeked it.

flip3d · 05-31-2009, 05:42 PM

Jesus Christ. Shit's ridiculous. Why protest? They aren't aborting YOUR child. Mind your fucking business.

Let the guy live his live and do what he chose to do. Fuck.

Bubbles · 05-31-2009, 05:51 PM

It's not healthy to get so worked up over reading stuff on the internet bro.

Keep that heart in check and chill.

*!Zar!* · 05-31-2009, 06:21 PM

*hOngsterr* · 05-31-2009, 06:21 PM

shit,
plan b homie!
effective in the first 72 hours!
lol

*!Zar!* · 05-31-2009, 06:28 PM

Plan B?

Fuck that.

Plan P for punch that bitch in the stomach.

qwikspool · 05-31-2009, 08:06 PM

that sucks.
yeah what happend to the good ol pull out method or using a jimmy hat

05-31-2009, 02:42 PM	#2
HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,222 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	wow that sucks! id rather people do abortions than try to raise a kid that they cant even raise properly in a good environment.. these piece of shits who disliked him will just reproduce =( RIP __________________ Keep it Classy

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SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Wow, that sucks. As far as abortion goes... Well, lets just say Im all for survival of the fittest and natural selection. __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

05-31-2009, 03:49 PM	#13
SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	We need to just lose everything we rely on for day to day life. Give us a year of anarchy, and then when all the stupid/weak/unnecessary people are dead, give it all back, the same as before... except better. __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

05-31-2009, 03:53 PM	#15
SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So what your saying is that we should fix all the stupid people like we do dogs? Because I'm down like a clown charlie brown. I don't want to toot my own horn, but I'm safe. __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

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*FaLKoN240* Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 16,761 Trader Rating: (73) Feedback Score: 73 reviews	Yay a thread where ZILVIA is arguing about morals, this is going to go REALLY far. __________________ Best way to do business with me? Make your best offer FIRST.

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ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	I think that you have to consider the circumstances, where-ever you choose to live. Given that, I don't think it's wise to open up a business in place that doesn't welcome you. I don't know if the doc did this to be a martyr of ideals, or if he was just reckless.

05-31-2009, 03:29 PM	#10
Kouki_Love Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Near da beach boiiiii... Age: 32 Posts: 1,209 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	danmm that sucks!!! i dont really agree with aborting, adoption is a way better way to go but hey, to each their own i guess. R.I.P

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Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	There will not be a shortage of people. Shortage of intelligent people, perhaps.

05-31-2009, 04:09 PM	#17
Shmex Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: West Los to West Knox Age: 35 Posts: 1,846 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	wow, that really sucks. Too many people push their opinions on people. This guy felt the badside of that. I agree with abortion if their is an unstable family life, and no means to bring up a decent human being. I dont believe in adoption, unless its a private adoption and its going to an actual family(thats how i was adopted when i was born).... __________________

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SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Like busteds13 bubbles and I. Were gonna go over there, freebase, listen to Conway Twitty, and smack around some arabian women. __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

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Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	No, you guys are not stereotypical Midwesterners. I can tell because you are on a Nissan forum.

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SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I've been found out! Play me off Sal! lol I also own a suba... Um... I've got a beat up Rx7 with a SBC350? That work? __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

05-31-2009, 05:36 PM	#24
HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,222 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	ok guys lets not turn this into a abortion debate lol. We all have our beliefs. This guy didnt deserve to die tho because his career was still helping people out who seeked it. __________________ Keep it Classy

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flip3d Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ft Lauderdale, FL Age: 33 Posts: 1,473 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Jesus Christ. Shit's ridiculous. Why protest? They aren't aborting YOUR child. Mind your fucking business. Let the guy live his live and do what he chose to do. Fuck. __________________

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05-31-2009, 06:28 PM	#29
!Zar! Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,576 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Plan B? Fuck that. Plan P for punch that bitch in the stomach. __________________

05-31-2009, 08:06 PM	#30
qwikspool Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Murrieta, CA Posts: 1,912 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	that sucks. yeah what happend to the good ol pull out method or using a jimmy hat

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