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Old 04-19-2010, 12:21 PM   #61
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I'm not the "rah rah patriotism" type, but this is a seriously ignorant comment.

Do you look at rankings or read automotive news? Is it generally important to you to know what you're talking about before you speak?

Ford handily beat both Nissan and Infiniti in 2009-10 Initial Quality and Dependability rankings.

Toyota and Honda were still higher on both, but Ford ran over Nissan/Infiniti/Mazda (and all the Germans other than Porsche)
Seriously. Dude learn some shit before you open your mouth.
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I wouldn't buy the Mustang over the Gen Coupe. I just don't like it enough. I do think the Mustang is a better bang for your buck, but it's styling is not for me.
I'm not all that fond of the retro aethetics either.
but wow, I can look past all that considering what it offers, at the fantastic value it is.
If I had to nitpick, though, I'd say why bother with the V6 when the 5.0 is only $6k more?

At a glance, the seats don't appear to offer much lateral support,
and reviews have mentioned steering to be more on the light side.
however, these really are things you need to check for yourself in a test-drive imo.

So far, this is Ford's best effort in their current lineup imo.
(inlc all of their offerings in europe & australia).
It's equal parts sports car & muscle.
I'm definetly impressed.

oh, it'll definetely be interesting to see what the aftermarket can do with the new 5.0 (or even the 3.7).
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I'm not the "rah rah patriotism" type, but this is a seriously ignorant comment.

Do you look at rankings or read automotive news? Is it generally important to you to know what you're talking about before you speak?

Ford handily beat both Nissan and Infiniti in 2009-10 Initial Quality and Dependability rankings.

Toyota and Honda were still higher on both, but Ford ran over Nissan/Infiniti/Mazda (and all the Germans other than Porsche)
u know who the ignorant person is? a person who depends on the news & not his/her own eyes. if i didnt know what im talking about, i wouldnt say anything out of no where...you really think a v6 mustang is as good as infiniti or german cars...just think for 1 mintue..than answer..
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Seriously. Dude learn some shit before you open your mouth.
i learned enough to say what i said.. time for u to learn how to talk in a repectful way considering ur 30yr old. aint I right?
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to both ( WanganRunner ) and ( existspeed) what i said was my opinion and you should both respect that..we all have different opinions remember? and specialy to (existspeed) bro, dont talk crap..im not ur friend or something.. im here to have fun not argue..thanks
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A forum is a place intended for conversation as well as argument.

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to both ( WanganRunner ) and ( existspeed) what i said was my opinion and you should both respect that..we all have different opinions remember? and specialy to (existspeed) bro, dont talk crap..im not ur friend or something.. im here to have fun not argue..thanks
So.......you expect unquestioned acceptance of your (uninformed) opinion, while at the same denying the same to those who disagree with you.

OK.

To keep my reply somewhat relevant to this thread. I love the new Mustang. Beautiful car and an awesome value to boot.

In the land of Audi, BMW, and Mercedes, Mustangs (any American muscle cars for that matter) are considered pure sex.
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to both ( WanganRunner ) and ( existspeed) what i said was my opinion and you should both respect that..we all have different opinions remember? and specialy to (existspeed) bro, dont talk crap..im not ur friend or something.. im here to have fun not argue..thanks
Dude, you're on a public forum with 50,000+ people and you honestly expect everyone to agree with you? Especially when you make an uneducated statement like you did? I could throw facts at you all day long that can prove you wrong.


PS I can only defend GM and Ford. Chrysler, not so much.


I like how you think YOU know what belongs on this forum more then I do. THAT shit is just laughable.


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I'm not all that fond of the retro aethetics either.
but wow, I can look past all that considering what it offers, at the fantastic value it is.
If I had to nitpick, though, I'd say why bother with the V6 when the 5.0 is only $6k more?

At a glance, the seats don't appear to offer much lateral support,
and reviews have mentioned steering to be more on the light side.
however, these really are things you need to check for yourself in a test-drive imo.

So far, this is Ford's best effort in their current lineup imo.
(inlc all of their offerings in europe & australia).
It's equal parts sports car & muscle.
I'm definetly impressed.

oh, it'll definitely be interesting to see what the aftermarket can do with the new 5.0 (or even the 3.7).
I'm actually a fan of what Ford is doing. Especially the Fusion. The new Focus and Fiesta and going be huge hits here. The new Mustang is a darn good vehicle as well. But it's just not my style. I drove a new Camaro (which I prefer style-wise) and while I totally dug the car and maaaaaybe could see myself driving one, it's still just not quite me. Big heavy muscle cars, just don't do it for me. I'm honestly waiting for the FT86. I don't care so much for straight line speed (although both the Camaro and Mustang are supposedly great in the twisties), as I do finesse in a car. I mean that is really the essence (no pun intended) of the 240, why so many people like it and become addicted to it. The FT86 is going to be more like a 240 then the Gen Coupe and therefore is my choice.
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The FT86 is going to be more like a 240 then the Gen Coupe and therefore is my choice.

Sorry to stray off-topic, but I have to ask...why do you feel this way? I4 RWD coupe from a Japanese automaker with motorsports heritage?
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silly ricers, there is just no replacement for displacement....


ummm its called a Turbo
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Sorry to stray off-topic, but I have to ask...why do you feel this way? I4 RWD coupe from a Japanese automaker with motorsports heritage?
That.

But really it seems they are focusing on making the car balanced, lightweight (relatively by today's standards), and not trying to cram as much HP in as they can. It's also low slung which the Mustang or Camaro def aren't. I actually like the Gen coupe's styling but the weight is really killin it for me.
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I wouldnt be too discouraged by the cars curb weight
(or any other stat for that matter).

The best thing to do is really read about the car,
and then take a proper test drive.
I find reading reviews beforehand allows you to focus more
on the cars alleged strengths and dificiencies.

Driving feel is just sometimes so different than what stats would presume.
I foolishly got a Sti some years ago based on stats alone.
Ended up trading for something else two years later

Anyhow, for shits & giggles we should go out for a test drive.
That would allow for more interesting discussion really.
I just hope the 2011 models are on the dealer lots by now.
5.0 are probably going to get marked up though
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(halveblue) i know there will be arguing and disagreement..its natural...but there is a difference between arguing in a respetful manner and arguing by dirty talking. that i don't want. i dont mind if people dont agree with me.
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ummm its called a Turbo
you know you can turbo a larger engine also which returns to the fact that there is no replacement for displacement.


I heard over on the Mustang Forums that the 2011 has been delayed.
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In my opinion, which may be wrong, but it is fact and worth more than all youz.

OP, there is no mention of the 2011 Mustang because I would just flame on it, to be honest.

I like the new retro modern body designs of the newer mustangs, but I still think that they are crap in terms of performance and handling. Poor resale value, and Fords don't really have a reputation about being reliable nor do I like their companies douchebaggery in treating customers.

It's the fact that a 2011 Ford Mustang 500 Twin Turbo Shelby won't hold up to the resale value of a 1995 Honda Civic SI hatch, that puzzles me. If you give me a Mustang 500 GT spec Type R Super Snake, I'd probably sell it and get an M3. The fact is BMW builds such nice and solid cars. I drive a BMW 5 series on occasions and I understand why BMW costs that much. The solid feel and precision of German engineer is worth the extra buck(s).

And finally, Dooon Dooon Doooon dooooon:

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Have you even bothered to look at the rest of the thread? Name one car that matches or beats a Mustang GT's performance at the 30k price point.

The only car that comes close is a freaking GM.

I'm really proud of the domestics. At a time when Honda's sportscar is a POS CRZ that is marginally slower than a Toyota Prius, and when the Toyota FT86 just got a hell of a lot more expensive: Toyota ups price of the FT-86 - Autocar.co.uk
The Evo and STI have lost some performance, and cost 40+k now with options. The only Jap company I give props to is Nissan, and even then, the Z has gotten too expensive as well.

It seems that in this shitty economy, the only people that get it are Ford and GM. Everyone else moved upmarket.
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ummm its called a Turbo
not quite
still dont get the tq.

plus put a turbo on the v8...and yeah

dollar for dollar cant match a v8
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Have you even bothered to look at the rest of the thread? Name one car that matches or beats a Mustang GT's performance at the 30k price point.

The only car that comes close is a freaking GM.

I'm really proud of the domestics. At a time when Honda's sportscar is a POS CRZ that is marginally slower than a Toyota Prius, and when the Toyota FT86 just got a hell of a lot more expensive: Toyota ups price of the FT-86 - Autocar.co.uk
The Evo and STI have lost some performance, and cost 40+k now with options. The only Jap company I give props to is Nissan, and even then, the Z has gotten too expensive as well.

It seems that in this shitty economy, the only people that get it are Ford and GM. Everyone else moved upmarket.
well you have to take into consideration most of these cars are built overseas.
the drastic weakening of the dollar over the decade isn't going to make any imports cheaper.
the pricing of imports are still competitive imo.
if you look at FD's, Supras, etc in the 90's, those were a lot more expensive in their day.
We still have it well, for the most part.
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I like the new retro modern body designs of the newer mustangs, but I still think that they are crap in terms of performance and handling.
As compared to what? A Ferrari? For the car's starting $30k price new, what is faster and handles better in the same price range? Words like those are meaningless without comparison.

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What?

If you're going to start talking about things that don't exist, you might as well quit now.

And for all I love BMW's, you can watch race-prepped M3's race door to door and lose to Mustangs on TV - just watch the Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge on Speed, the Mustangs controlled the race at Barber this past weekend.
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twin turbo GT500's are no joke.
07-09 Shelby GT500 Twin Turbo System - 650 to 1,200+ HP

600+whp for as much as an SR swap would cost
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twin turbo GT500's are no joke.
07-09 Shelby GT500 Twin Turbo System - 650 to 1,200+ HP

600+whp for as much as an SR swap would cost
Ah, thanks for that link.

I still don't understand why he bothered comparing the resale of a GT500 with a setup like that to the resale of a 1995 Civic - the GT500's resale won't be great, sure, but then again all cars depreciate and who puts money into modifications like that hoping to make money on them later on?
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Hahahhaha....Good for Hyundai.

4th place: Dodge Challenger SE
A yacht trying to keep up with speedboats, but the ride and style are smooth.

3rd place: Chevrolet Camaro RS
A quick coupe whose weight sacrifices fun and cartoonish cabin compromises comfort.

2nd place: Ford Mustang V-6
New 3.7 is nearly as quick as last year's 4.6-liter V-8, and more fun to drive, too.

1st place: Hyundai Genesis 3.8 Track
The only one that looks and feels like a sports car. Surprise, we liked it best.

Read more: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track test - Motor Trend
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Hahahhaha....Good for Hyundai.

4th place: Dodge Challenger SE
A yacht trying to keep up with speedboats, but the ride and style are smooth.

3rd place: Chevrolet Camaro RS
A quick coupe whose weight sacrifices fun and cartoonish cabin compromises comfort.

2nd place: Ford Mustang V-6
New 3.7 is nearly as quick as last year's 4.6-liter V-8, and more fun to drive, too.

1st place: Hyundai Genesis 3.8 Track
The only one that looks and feels like a sports car. Surprise, we liked it best.

Read more: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track test - Motor Trend
The Hyundai won based on "feel" the mustang still mopped the floor with it in every objective category.
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This thing is pretty fucking cool. Closed ass minded people talking shit because its not JDM lol. This car is way better then anything any Japanese car companys have come out with in a while.
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In the price range I can't argue that.

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The Hyundai won based on "feel" the mustang still mopped the floor with it in every objective category.
I'll take feel over quarter mile times any day. It's the reason why people love 240's, BMW's, Miata's. The feel.

You could date a chick that's a perfect 10. But if she sucks in bed that freaky ass bitch that you think is an 8 is gonna look a whole lot better.
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In the price range I can't argue that.



I'll take feel over quarter mile times any day. It's the reason why people love 240's, BMW's, Miata's. The feel.

You could date a chick that's a perfect 10. But if she sucks in bed that freaky ass bitch that you think is an 8 is gonna look a whole lot better.
The Hyundai won because it was the top of the line model. 30+k. vs. the 25k Mustang. If they were comparing performance coupes, they could have easily done the Mustang GT at 30k vs. the Hyundai Genesis.

For 25k, you can't get a remotely competitive Genesis. You're stuck with the slow as hell 4 banger.

Performance wise, the V6 Mustang mops the floor with both, and I'd sacrifice "feel" or any other subjective rationalizations if it means 6k in my bank account.
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