AJ

haha i was thinkin the same <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>..

240turboIam

why lose respect for me? i was just throwing my 2 scents in.

ca18guy

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why lose respect for me? i was just throwing my 2 scents in.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Since you work for a leading turbo company you and daperformance should get together, since your both from the Knoxville area. #### surpised you guys don't know each other What at good way of instilling confidence in a consumer, you should be ashamed!!! &nbsp;Why don't you buy some advertising space and build a reputation instead of making one up.

(Edited by ca18guy at 11:32 pm on Feb. 8, 2002)

240turboIam

You caught me. Ya i am with Da performance and all you are suck ass losers who are stupid and have a whore as a mom that i did last night. Dont buy from us cuz we have crap. Go &nbsp;somewhere else for real deals on stuff. We dont know anything here and are so inaccurate. We are too good to be true.




(Edited by 240turboIam at 4:11 am on Feb. 9, 2002)

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because i built my KA-T from scratch

Takumi

Gee, so much for customer service, huh? <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

There COULD have been SOMEONE who was willing to purchase a kit from DA Performance on this board, you'll never know. However, with that kind of attitude, they'll think otherwise, nice going. Especially when one of your first posts suggested that we're all idiots or something when it comes to turbos. Then you just posted that last statement. Tsk, tsk. ENJOY YOUR FAILING BUSINESS, ASSCAKE! <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

AJ

i was allready saving up... ####.. guess i'll have to build my own now.

'91 D21 beater

Wow, Mechanical engineer for a leading turbo company.... Geez, I also a mechanical engineer that works for a company that owns the leading turbo company... Last time I checked, the R&amp;D folks are in California, and someone mentioned you are from TN... What gives?

Anyway, I'm a mechanical engineer that gets to play with bigger turbos, namely turbofan engines. 8,000lb thrust class. Too bad those are too big to fit my car...

Oh yeah, who's the WE that finds 240sx...? DAPerformance?

Sure, T25 sized turbo is capable of 14psi, but way out of it's effeciency range. If you worked for a major turbo firm, you would know that, and common convention is to pick a turbo that would live in it's operating effeciency zone. And on that note, 7psi for a T25 is much more appropriate. Great spooling for a flat powerband.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from 240turboIam on 3:13 pm on Feb. 8, 2002
I am a mechanical engineer for a leading turbo company, one which i will not mention. My job is to test theories on certain cars. I love the 240s since we have found them to be the most powerful bang for the buck. We have been testing turbo Ka motors for well over 5 yrs now as well as other Nissan cars and trucks. I own a turbo KA myself. A T25 is capable of 14 psi. We have tested the T25s on Jspec sr20 motors. If you work through the calculations using x for max air flow paterns versus y for minimum boost in a &quot;chart&quot; of the T25, you will see that it is capable. However, a T25 is not capable of running much more. 14 PSI is probably the most a stock trim T25 will flow. We have run test on these figures and researched the information for ourselves. We have gotten nearly 300hp from a T25 on a KA motor(with a good match of fuel, ecu,and intercooling systems).

Deleted: If you are choking at that psi on your T3/T4, it wouldnt be because your turbo is maxing out. I dont know the system you are using so I cant give you an exact answer on what it would be. You might be getting more fuel than what you need. If you dont change your ECU to each time you change something else on your motor, your ecu might be sending the wrong information therfore not operating properly causing the problems you might be having. Its just a possibility, but i havent seen your car in operation nor what you have.

(Edited by 240turboIam at 4:14 am on Feb. 9, 2002)
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Well, I've gotten 365 crank hp on my car... Why I say choking? SR20 folks are choking on a 0.62 A/R housing T3/T4, and I have 0.4L displacement advantage... Also, car spools too soon. My power band is right in the middle. Peak torque of 329ft-lb at 4,300rpm. Would like to shift it to 5,000rpm or reconfigure it such that the torque curve won't fall off that fast.

As for ecu tuning... I would highly doubt you... Mass air based engine tuning system can account for changes in cams, inlet piping, etc., much more than a speed density system. From what you are describing, it seems like you only know about speed density system, and not about the Mass air based system... Shame on you.... Trying to pass of as a Nissan tuning expert... No turbos for you!!!

As long as the MAFS sensor is within operation range, MAFS based system or more so, Nissan's 16 bit system is more than capable and flexable to handle the changes.

'91 D21 beater

'91 exhaust cam repinned as intake cam. It's a 248 duration cam. Exhaust cam is still the oem 232 duration cam.

The narrow 232 exhaust cam keeps the exhaust gas in the cylinder longer, extracting more work out of them. The wider intake cam is used to allow more time for the turbo to cram more charge air into the system.

Great for fuel economy, and midrange throttle reponse. Not ideal for top end power. I've gone with the 248 intake and 248 exhaust cam as well. Fuel economy went down, midrange throttle response not as sharp, but top end definetly shined. Even though it felt better, power up top is still the same with hp lost in the midrange, thus went back to the 248/232 setup.

Next step is to change the turbin A/R housing since I can't get more power with the larger cam setup.

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D21 beater: you've got a '91 intake cam for better throttle response right?? That's better than the stock 232.... so how is that narrower than typical?? I remember reading your impressions on the power dropping off after peak boost... and you even run an Apexi GT spec exhaust (4&quot; right?). I'd imagine a T25... let alont a stock T25, would choke waaay before that... no matter how well it's controlled with a boost controller or how big the exhaust is.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

It is apparent that people (competitiors?) are still out there trying to bash us. That was a definate planned out way to bash us. We are in no way related to 240turboiam.
We really dont appreciate people claiming to be us or saying they are working with us. I am the only one in Da Preformance that post on this forum.
People, please dont beleive that i would let someone like that work for us. &nbsp;Apparently, their scheme/plot is worked for a couple of you.
240turboiam, are you happy now? Did you accomplish what you wanted to in this? Whoever you are, please stop. I wouldnt do that to anyone and would appreciate it if you didnt to us. &nbsp;
People please feel free to email me apposed to posting &nbsp;in this forum. Thank you. &nbsp;
And to let you know, The only post you would see from us, would be under this name and no other.

White240sx

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Anyway, I'm a mechanical engineer that gets to play with bigger turbos, namely turbofan engines. 8,000lb thrust class. Too bad those are too big to fit my car...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

That would be a good thing; so when you send those to their mechanical graves no other road going motorists will be injured.;):biggrin:

AJ

ahh good to know.. i will now start saving more money.. umm turbo <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

also, ace, how are you building a turbo system for under a 1000.. i would be happy to get one running for under 1500... are you getting ur manifolds for free or what? &nbsp;can i get them for cheap from you?. hehe,, just let me know how ur doing it! i want a turbo too!

DSC

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why lose respect for me? i was just throwing my 2 scents in.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Since you work for a leading turbo company you and daperformance should get together, since your both from the Knoxville area. #### surpised you guys don't know each other What at good way of instilling confidence in a consumer, you should be ashamed!!! Why don't you buy some advertising space and build a reputation instead of making one up.

(Edited by ca18guy at 11:32 pm on Feb. 8, 2002)
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>ca18guy, you should probably check the IP before saying something like that.

ca18guy

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ca18guy, you should probably check the IP before saying something like that.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

:confused: How do you think I found out there both from Knoxville or that they have the same ISP! &nbsp;It's a shame cause I seen there site there prices look good, if there credible then it should'nt take long to get a good reputation. I just saw on another board that they seem to be doing this too. daperformance, please don't debate on the forums let your buisness speak for it's self!

(Edited by ca18guy at 4:44 pm on Feb. 9, 2002)

DSC

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ca18guy, you should probably check the IP before saying something like that.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

:confused: How do you think I found out there both from Knoxville or that they have the same ISP! It's a shame cause I seen there site there prices look good, if there credible then it should'nt take long to get a good reputation. I just saw on another board that they seem to be doing this too. daperformance, please don't debate on the forums let your buisness speak for it's self!

(Edited by ca18guy at 4:44 pm on Feb. 9, 2002)
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>Oh, my bad <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('> I just figured it was in the other guys profile when he first posted cauz the other guys were saying they were suspicious too. sorry about that...

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How do you think I found out there both from Knoxville or that they have the same ISP! It's a shame cause I seen there site there prices look good, if there credible then it should'nt take long to get a good reputation. I just saw on another board that they seem to be doing this too. daperformance, please don't debate on the forums let your buisness speak for it's self!

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I am assuming you didnt read my last post? We dont know this guy. &nbsp;Also, there are competitors that bash us on every board because they would like to see us go out of business. We are not going to close up over something someone tries to do to us. our prices are low and will always be low.
We dont try to debate on the forums. We just like to try to answer questions and be here for help etc. If we arent invited then we wont post. &nbsp;However, we were invited by a moderator in this forum. &nbsp;

sykikchimp

I am also interested in your kit, and wanted you to post here. &nbsp;I figured it would be good for the whole of the forum. &nbsp;Please let us know when the new site is up with all the information we will need to make decisions. &nbsp;Needless to say, your current site is VERY inadequate for the products you are supplying

sykikchimp

Who is &quot;deleted member&quot;?? &nbsp;I think he should show his real face. &nbsp;This is just a forum. &nbsp;Not like its a court of law.

daperformance

We realize that the current site is really not enough. It was a test site more or less to see what kind of response we were going to get from the internet. It really has taken off, therefore we decided to continue to pursue a full web site. We are near done with setup of the site. We will continue to use the site we have as a direct link to our new site. I wanted to let you guys know that in case one day you type in our current sites address and it pulls up another, dont be suprised, it will still be us.

drift freaq

if you follow deleted members posts and you know anything about who is who in Turbo'd KA's . Then you will realize who deleted member is. Better yet read FA and you will know immediately who he is. Hey deleted not trying to blow your cover(do you really have one??) . Actually deleted member is just having fun being deleted member because he discovered he could do it about a week ago.

ca18guy

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from DaPerformance on 5:25 pm on Feb. 9, 2002
I am assuming you didnt read my last post? We dont know this guy. Also, there are competitors that bash us on every board because they would like to see us go out of business. We are not going to close up over something someone tries to do to us. our prices are low and will always be low.
We dont try to debate on the forums. We just like to try to answer questions and be here for help etc. If we arent invited then we wont post. However, we were invited by a moderator in this forum.
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Whatever I'm not arguing with you or whom ever. If there's more BS i'll just Lock the thread. I don't feel like arguing over who is who. For those of you with a short memory &quot;Deleted member&quot; is D 21. I would assume that glitch will probably be fixed with the new forum software.

AJ

this has been a good thread all in all. lets keep it going that way gentleman

mbmbmb23

Hey DAperformance, if people are knocking your kit and calling it a &quot;misrepresentation&quot; (because people assume they can plug-and-play for $1000, and yet run the same HP numbers as the &nbsp;people who paid $3500), why dont you rename it. &nbsp;Call it a &quot;barebones&quot; turbo kit. &nbsp;I think people would understand that....because the term is used when building a computer system meaning that you still have to buy other components &nbsp;to have a standard setup. &nbsp;Also, why not try and research some turbo companies and give an online link to their dynoed research, that way when people argue about the output of the T25 (with or without an upgraded ecu and fuel system), you can give them that link, and have it argue for you instead of wasting your breath on here.

Just a thought.


M

AceInHole

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You just lost all respect/credibility in my eye's <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>
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so in a way... that was almost some &quot;props&quot; in my direction.... <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

AceInHole

Seriously, I don't not like daperformance in any way. &nbsp;I just want to get across the straight facts. &nbsp;It's possible that there's been some misunderstandings, or that daperformance just plain didn't know the flow map of the T25 (in any trim). &nbsp;Hopefully, coming out of this, we'll learn something, and daperformance will learn something, and everyone will be happy. &nbsp;Knowledge, not bragging rights, are why we're supposed to be on this forum.

Anyways, someone on the NiCos boards says he has a kit from daperformance, and is up in the Boston area. &nbsp;Hopefully he'll be able to come to the meet on Feb. 17, and a credible source will be able to confirm dapreformance's products at the very least (although some of the info is still very misleading). &nbsp;
(BTW: If I'm not a credible source... is Drifting Ricer?? Or maybe Yury will show up again . . . <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> )

It's not a glitch... I'm just using a loop hole to be in stealth mode...

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Whatever I'm not arguing with you or whom ever. If there's more BS i'll just Lock the thread. I don't feel like arguing over who is who. For those of you with a short memory &quot;Deleted member&quot; is D 21. I would assume that glitch will probably be fixed with the new forum software.
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Drift Style S14

hacker??? i think not skilled??? maybe...