GSXRJJordan

Yes, that's a very simple change too!

What?? Bummer! Wish you the best, hopefully all's well!!

You can retest. Nothing is permanent, but sometimes you have to go to the state ref if you fail at a regular smog station.

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Damn, sorry to hear about all the trouble the FPR gave you. I wish we could have passed it when you came in for inspection. That would have opened the door to so many 240 enthusiasts! I was hoping to see your car come back fixed so we can put that CARB sticker on it. Haha oh well, maybe later down the road. Good luck where ever you are going! Clean ride, and even better in person!

SuperBlackS14

I was watching this thread very closely. I was super surprised to see it on here after I read it in Modified! I was interested then too! So disappointed to hear it failed for a small technicality, but that's how these things are set up.

Damn fine work so far! Please keep us updated. If it ends up being viable for OBD-II as well, I might be able to work it into my '96. With 430 horses, I wouldn't even mind emissions inspections

Anyway, awesome build/thread. Thanks for letting us all see it.

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jk26

So how low did the kw's go its the only thing holding me back from getting a set. Thanks

DinoMan

Woooooow i feel like an idiot ive been reading this for awhile now and seeing everyone talking about it being in modified and thinking to myself i wish i had that copy. When it was right in front of me on my desk....I read it like 2 months ago and forgot all about it. But too bad about not passing smog. Hopefully you got everything sorted out and driving it fine nowadays

SR20PWRALTY

OK.... I'm confused I thought he went to a state ref. to get this legal not a regular smog place.

GSXRJJordan

I don't know which, but with a CARB EO# on the engine package, you may be able to smog it without a ref. Knowing Peter, I'm guessing he went straight to the ref.

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He did see a ref. He came in to see the referee at El Camino College a couple of weeks ago. I know because I work for the ref.

Ni-Shi-Sero

really diggin this thread.

Giebs

haha, I was actually wondering if he did go there. That ref is cool, talked to him during class. I've seen a lot of interesting things come through there when I was taking auto classes there.

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DamianN.

I miss NC, no smog.

SR20PWRALTY

When doing a swap like this, would it be smart to go to the ref. first or just drive the car until you get sent to a ref?

Where do you get in contact with one? I heard somewhere there should be one in your local community collage.

Pstl_pete

To answer some questions:

I drove the car over with a one-day permit. I wasnt expecting to take the car out of state hence why I went through all this and it's for a magazine story so I needed to see what the ref would say.

I can always change the lines up and have it retested, even if it were to fail. That's what I understand.

The ref was really cool, I dont blame him one bit for failing the car. He was doing his job, it's California's smog regulations that are beyond comprehension but Im not going to go into a whine fest about it.

This car is 99.8% Carb legal and it goes to show that you can buy this setup and drop it in as long as you do exactly as I did, using the same GM parts EXCEPT the adjustable FPR, then the car should pass.

For the record, this is the regulator you want to use: GM Filter / Regulator Fitting Kit
It's a late model Corvette and Camaro regulator.

If you do this swap you need go to a ref, theres no other way to register the car really. Why wait until you get caught. If you have everything done legally then it makes sense to go pass it and then drive around without hassle.

As for the KW coils. They will drop the wheels beyond the fender line so they will go low but Im not sure what your definition of low is since everyones is different. All I know is that they feel really comfortable and Im really glad I went with them. My old Tein Super Streets I had on the S14 rode WAY harsher than these.

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kw coils are the best

SuperBlackS14

Your Super Streets rode harsh? I just got a set for my S14, and I haven't had a chance to install them yet, but I figured they were set up for street use and to not be overly firm for dailys.

What was your experience with them?

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Beautiful car. Very very clean!

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Alrighty...

Before you read this, there are probably many grammatical and spelling errors but I just dont have the capacity to read through this novel that I just wrote so you've been forewarned.

So at the beginning of the month, I decided to drive both the cars that I own (with my brother and his GF driving the other car -my Integra) back to Ontario, Canada instead of shipping them back since it was going to be 1K, each car and I couldnt load up my stuff in them if I shipped them.

I said screw it and decided to take the risk of driving my 240 that had less than 300miles on the engine and a minty fresh new paint job. What's the worst that could happen right?

What I failed to realize was just how hot the desert was at this time of year and not having AC in either cars was bad but there was much worse to come.

We left LA at 6am in the morning and got a good run outside the city heading towards Arizona on the 40 east. Things were all fine and dandy. This is the first gas station we stopped at.


I taped the entire front end up in hopes of avoiding any serious chips. Ofcourse this drew plenty of attention from the general public. I must have been asked whats the tape for about 40 times on this trip. At every gas
station at least two people would ask me that.


When I was inside the gas station I asked the attendant how hot it would get and he laughed. "Boy, its gonna get past 124 today." I though, shit not good. The last thing I need is a torture test on this car but there was no turning back now.


At around 2pm it scorching hot, my balls are past the point where they are sticking to my leg, I'm dying of heat but that's not my main concern. I am watching the engine temps on my OBDII reader like a hawk and not liking what I see. They are a steady 220-224deg F for the majority of the time. Unfortunately, we get into some hill climbs and I watch it rise even further, 226, 228, 230... I had spoken to the GM techs and they said the engine can run up to temps of 240deg F so while I am still ok, its getting close.

Then climbing up a rather steep hill I suddenly lose all power and pull off onto the side of the road. SHIT, what the hell happened? I jump into diagnostic mode and the first thing I check is fuel pressure. Nothing. Ok we got a failed fuel pump, Im fucked time to call a tow. Before I do so, I sit around and talk to my brother what the options are. About 15mins goes by and just for kicks I go to see if for some miraculous reason the pump works.

Holy shit it works! I fire up the car and start driving away, my brother hi beams me. Now what! I stop, shut off the car run back to him. The Integra wont start now!! I laugh in rage and tell him to jump out. I get behind the wheel start rolling the car backwards and bump the K20 engine to life.

At this point you know whats going to happen. I go to start the 240 and yep, fuel pressure is 0 again. We sit around for another 25min letting the car cool while the integra idles, rad fans a blazing. Finally it starts and off we go.
Another 3 hours go by and the car seems to be driving fine, we've cleared the ridiculously hot desert and are nearing flagstaff, AZ, its still hot but by now its 5pm and starting to cool off. Just when I think things are going my way the car dies again and Im forced to pull off.


This time I rip apart the trunk to get to the fuel pump and see what the hell is up. As soon as I touch the fuel pump assembly I feel how bloody hot it is! Something can't be right but my mind is wandering and I really don't think about the root of the problem too much, I concentrate on how the hell we are going to make it another 2 days of driving with a car in this state.


As the car cools off, I call the NAPA in flagstaff which is 10 miles away about a stock fuel pump, they have one in stock thankfully. Im almost out of gas so we need to stop soon anyways.

We roll off at the first sign of fuel pressure and I cross my fingers hoping to make it to flagstaff.


When we get to NAPA, I rip apart the fuel pump assembly which thankfully is super easy to get at. When Im pulling off the fuel hose, theres still some pressure and the gas sprays out a bit. Its SUPER hot and so is the tank assembly, thats when I begin to realize the problem.


Because the catalytic converter on the right bank of the engine is about 4-inches from the fuel lines, it must have been heating up the fuel on both feed and return sides obviously. If it weren't 120degs out and I wasnt driving for 8 hours straight then it wouldnt be a problem but due to those reasons the fuel was slowly getting hotter and hotter in turn the fuel pump was heating up and eventually it would cease to operate. Once I let it cool down then it would work. To make matters worse running on an close to empty tank would speed the process up. Hence why the car was dying only when the gas tank was near empty.
I pulled the poor overheated Deatschwerks pump out and it looked like hell.


In went the NAPA pump which I figured would suffice in flow as long as I didn't get into it.


It was about 7pm now and we decided that driving at night would be greatly beneficial to our journey since we would stay out of the heat. We had already been on the road for 13 hours but decided to drive until we couldnt drive anymore.


The pace was slow but I figured as long as I kept the tank topped up and monitored the engine temps we would be fine. At this point engine temps were near 120deg max.

We drove for the next 7 hours until we hit Amarillo, Texas. Once night fall came the car ran flawlessly further proving that the fuel heating up due to the hot temps was the problem. I dont have any photos from that night because as you can imagine all I wanted to do was sleep and forget the day ever happened.

Leaving Amarillo around 1pm we had hoped to have beat the hottest part of the day, which wasnt the case but at least we had about 3-4 hours of hot temperature driving then it would start to cool off.


At this point the drive got somewhat uneventful, it was much flatter so there were no hills to worry about. However, the temperature was still a worrying 100degs but we continued to soldier on.


About 5 hours into the drive I thought, wow theres a strong side wind because I can feel the car pulsating a bit, you know that feeling when a strong wind feels like it almost slows the car down well this began to happen. About 10 minutes later I thought, ok somethings wrong its getting worse and I pulled off at the next gas station. Before that, I saw a rainbow...uh huh.


Sure enough, the fuel was super hot again and I think the NAPA pump was dropping its pumping capacity resulting in uneven engine operation. I decided we needed to do everything possible to try to get rid of the heat under the hood. This time a trip to autozone netted some washers and longer screws.


Off came the hood and in went the washers.




A sizeable stack indeed. I was hoping this plus me running with the heat on would help a bit and it did. If you've ever driven in 100deg weather with your heater blowing you can agree that when I say I was really starting to regret making this journey and hating life.

But the engine temps stayed around 210-214 so it was worth it in my mind. For the next 5-6 hours, I dont really remember the car ran just fine. We stopped at a gas station where I snapped some shots. I was really hoping to document this trip better but with all that was going on my camera was the last thing on my mind.


I should say that mentally I was beyond exhausted. You know that sinking feel in the pit of your stomach when you know that somethings about to go wrong, yeah well I had that for the ENTIRE road trip. It was rotting my mind. Thankfully the roads were straight and I didnt have to concentrate to hard on my driving.


I also forgot to mention that we loaded all the heavy items up into the Integra, why I dont remember but it took this road trip like a champ. Ive got a shorter final drive in it so it drove the 2400mile trip at 4-4.5K without skipping a beat. I still think to this day that Honda builds the best 4-cylinder engines in the world.


This is the last photo I took on day 2 of our drive. We managed to make the rest of the drive without any issues. Again, as soon as night hit the car ran better then ever. We ended our journey in St. Louis, MO having driven 13 hours.


We slept a miserably short 3 and a half hours and got on the road by 6am. I hadn't been happier to see rain in a long time. No sun in sight meant colder weather.
The car ran like a champ.


For my route planning I used Google maps since to this day it has yet to lead me astray. Well for some dumb reason Google routed us off the highway and onto a single lane road just before we entered Ohio. This tacked on a nice hour onto our drive where I saw more police officers in the same of 40miles than I had on the entire trip.


The end of the journey was beginning to near. Welcome to Ohio! Only 3 hours from here.


Then there was Michigan, shitty, pot-holed roads and all. I had bad memories of driving these roads when I was younger and bending rims and shattering windshields. Thankfully, it looked and felt like the roads are in better shape now.


The border crossing proved to be easier then I thought as I entered Canada without any hassle. When I got home, I couldn't be happier to pull into my driveway.


I have to say once again that my track prepped Integra surprised me how well it took the beating of such a cross country trek.


As for the 240, it made it in one piece, peeling tape and all.


However, even though my trip came to an end the 240 didn't walk away completely unharmed but that will be for another post as Im sure this one is BEYOND long. Shit, if half of you made it to the end then thumbs up!

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StReeTz

At least you made it back in one piece! You needed some water wetter!

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ShimiBoi

Water Wetter FTMFW!!! well now u know how the car handles heat...not well but at least it made it there in one piece.

JaredP

Good job making the trip in one piece pete. I don't think anyone I know of has had issues getting into canada either lol

homeslicej2

Glad you made it home. I had previously posted about the cat being so close to the fuel lines, but I didn't think it would effect it as much as it did. Do you have an idea as to what you'll do to remedy the fuel situation? Also, yes, I've driven in ~100 degree heat with 90+% humidity and had to turn the heat on full blast for a good amount of time. It was horrible. That was before I made an alum. plate to put b/t the underside of the bumper & radiator core support to make all of the air coming through the IC go through the rad (instead of under it as it had been).

CamryOnBronze

Wow PT, I knew it was bad, but damn! Glad you made it out here dude. Looking forward to seeing this thing! The temps out here should be much nicer for the car, lol.

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good stuffs dude! at least the cops didn't hassle you. blue tape and all

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Pstl_pete

I had water wetter, proper ducting, even wrapped all the fuel lines in heat shielding material. Trust me I prepped this car for the trip.
I would have never experienced this problem if I hadnt been driving for 8 hours. I made sure to drive the car for 2+ hrs in Cali before I left and it ran perfect.
With that amount of operation time, plus the stupid hot temps, the fuel had no chance of cooling off. I talked to Deatschwerks and they told me that a good amount of the fuel is being returned to the tank during cruising and very little of it is actually being used hence why this became such a problem.

Most people dont drive their swapped V8 240s this long or have cats so I dont think its an issue for 90% of the cars out there but if you are doing this swap with cats then consider these problems.

As for what Ill be doing with the system, it will get a OE Corvette style filter/regulator and installing it at the back of the car so there will only be one feed line running to the front. Ill be tackling that job early October when I get back from LA.

I also have a fuel pressure problem right now so the car isnt running right at full throttle, it just bogs out. The small Earls fuel filter that Im using seems to be the culprit as I cleaned it out and it seemed to have worked but the problem is back again so I have some more diagnosis to do to figure out the exact problem.

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Black240Ct

road trips with 240 are never fun.. i used to drive to drift events and my mind was on edge listening to every sound and bump and vibration.. exhausting.. i cant imagine driving that far in it..... nice update

MyblackS13

That looks like quite a trip. The single lane road just before Ohio looks like highway 24 to me, did you go through or around Fort Wayne, Indiana on your way?

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SuperBlackS14

Great Update.

Thanks for posting all this; it's like a complete guide for what to worry about when doing swaps of this nature. All things I'll be looking out for at some point now, thanks to you!

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GSXRJJordan

I knew you made it from your Facebook, but damn I didn't know it was that hard of a trip!

Glad it held up for the most part, and especially glad I didn't get any panic calls about wiring on the side of the road in some godawful part of the country (Amarillo comes to mind).

Keep in touch, let me know if I can help

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tricky_ab

Welcome back to Canada! (Well the GTA)... Good to hear that both of your cars made the trip...