racepar1

If you want the "bashers" to ease up then you need to listen and take advice. Save up for wheels and tires just to start. Those tires will never get you where you want no matter what you do with the rest of the car. I would also reccomend that you ditch the tanabe rear bar for a 21mm hicas bar, but that won't help with understeer. It is strange that you are complaining about understeer in the first place though. S-13's are absolutely notorious for smooth and predictable on-throttle oversteer, NOT understeer. Due to what I KNOW about these cars and their suspension I cannot reccomend that you do anything beyond the normal suspension checks (bushings, balljoints, etc... , and of course an alignment) untill you replace the tires.

jspaeth

Like I said, I have all aftermarket arms/suspension and my alignment is not terribly far off of OEM....a bit more camber, and a bit less toe-in....

With THICK rear sway (Tanabe) and relatively stiff shock settings, my car NEVER feels like it wants to understeer.

Feels netural-ish at higher speeds and if anything (esp. at low speeds), it feels like it wants to lose the ass end.

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s13dan

Half of you guys are contradicting each other. And saying what s13's are notorious for is silly. Nissan desinged them to understeer in factory form, it was from the spring rates. With coilovers S13s are fairly nuteral. I say get a GOOD alignment and make small changes from there. Learn to turn in smoothly. Different settings for drift or grip, obviously. With or without traction greatly changes the handling characteristics.

oh and most importantly
TIRES Its the only thing on your car that can effect every characteristic of your car.Handling,braking accleration,ride. Sticky tires will most likley cure your understeer.

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MrMigs

I'll bet you anything you're just turning-in too late. It's not necessarily that your car understeers... it's just that it responds slow to turn-in, which makes it appear to understeer. But if you steer with a bit more finesse and take a better line, you shouldn't get any understeer.

Also, like someone asked, do you have lsd? If not... then that's why. You can't smash the gas and expect a whole lot out of an open diff. Also, if you have a welded diff, that shit sucks ass compared to an lsd.

Enjoy, and hope you don't crash into any of us while you're figuring all this out.

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blazin_teg

Your getting understeer because of a bigger front sway bar. I have a rb20 s14. It had no front or rear sway. And lowering springs. Also stiffer springs will add understeer. I upgraded to ST front and rear sways (despite reading the front wouldn't fit, fit fine for me, no oilpan rub) and PBM coilovers with toe and camber arms. Now I get alot of understeer as opposed to hardly any with the old setup. Now I like this setup better just got to watch out for that understeer expecially in the rain.

ericcastro

This thread is fucking retarded.

Cant even read it.

whats your rims sizes?
whats your diff
and when was the last time you had the car aligned to normal street specs.

Thats all that needs discussed.

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fckillerbee

you said the car understeers?
Maybe you have the wrong idea of understeer.

understeer is loss of traction in the front (fwd problems)
oversteer is loss of traction in the rear (rwd problems)

cause everything I have read, you say you have understeer problems, but your ass is sliding out. You have everything set up for oversteer. Please be more specific with what IS the problem.


AND everyone that is butting in this thread, if you have not TESTED multiple setups, then how do you know what is wrong with the car?

as far as his tires....yes they are shitty, but in grip driving, the car should handle fine since the front and the rear are equally fighting each other.

There are a millions "BASICS" to setting up his car right...we need to know your settings.

MrMigs

judo butt plugs

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ericcastro

exactly.........

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racepar1

While in stock form the s-13 does exibit off throttle understeer nissan specifically designed the rear suspension geometry to promote on-throttle oversteer. Even a stock s-13 slides like a dream with a little coaxing. Understeer is DEFINITELY not a commonly discussed s-13 problem. Besides that we are NOT discussing a stock car anyways. Aftermarket parts like coilovers and swaybars GREATLY change the balance of the car.

I would disagree with this statement. A typically set-up s-13 is far from neutral when pushed to it's limits. I speak from experience, not assumption.

racepar1

Yeah, I noticed that too. Half the guy's problem is that he cannot even clearly describe his problem.

Seriously...

So much bullshit that it actually physically hurts a little to read.

Not true. With shitty tires the whole car is all over the place. It's twice as bad as having a simple setup issue.

R_G

just use the e-brake and do it.... haha j/k.

If i lived near LA i would drive your car to see wtf is wrong with it.

You need to throw everything you think you know and start fresh. If you really want to improve and make your car handle better then try removing and playing with settings. Please use a log notebook and write down everything you do and how the car responded .

Before you go out and play:

Check your suspension settings and make sure it's properly align .
http://www.familycar.com/alignment.htm

idamaster

I'm going to order some new tires and get an alignment afterward.

fckillerbee

What I meant was...with shitty tires, the car will be at a "zero" with oversteer and understeer being as equal as possible. So testing everything else out will be limited to his shitty tires. If you adjust settings, you may or maynot see differences, just because of tires.

A good all around set up, would be some federal 595 ss. same sizes, all around.

order them from CTO (city tire online.com)
they are on zilvia.

ericcastro

This makes no sense to me hammy.

Shitty tires have a lower grip potential than better tires.

But if all the tires are the same, shitty or not.
They will react the same.
the shitty tires will break grip potential sooner, but ........

.........If this dude is going so fast on a corner that he breaks the grip potential of shitty tires, it would benifit us for him not to be driving on the street.

there is alot more going on then shitty tires.

I am the king of shitty tires, i can tell you.

I have run some of the worse stuff up front and not had a problem.

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MrMigs

So.... basically... are we all in agreement that OP should just work on his driving?

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ericcastro

lol, i think that and go get a real alignment, lol.

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jspaeth

Please re-read.

I said MY car feels neutral, but at lower speeds on sharp turns, if I try to take the turn any faster, it always feels like the back end is going to swing around. OVERSTEER.

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idamaster

Why would I lie about my driving? I have nothing to prove to you people...

MrMigs

I'm sorry; Allow me to elaborate. You're going to hear so many mixed-up pieces of advice on this forum that you might as well just get out there and figure things out on your own.

I'm sure everyone on here means well, but it's my personal opinion that you'll learn faster by trial and error on your own.

Good luck with figuring out YOUR perfect setup. (no sarcasm)

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slidewaysmn

Shiiit, so much bashin'. I had the same problem. Front dampening was too hard, so I went in the middle on my dampening adjustment, and my front tires were shit because I was waitin on tires for my actual wheels. Do it up and you should be fine...oh, and make sure all your alignment specs are good....too high for zilvia.

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usafdarkhorse

I'll echo the comments of some of the others and say get a base alignment check and probably a new set of tires.

It's better if you have new tires before changing the alignment anyway. See where that puts you afterward. Your suspension setup up front is probably too hard for the tires you are running ( or your driving style ), assuming your alignment is fine, and you might have to bring everything back to an equal soft setting and work your way back.

Another driver may drive the car just fine with that much understeer dialed in and you may need to find the settings which work the best for you.